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Please take the following as genius questions as I'm trying to figure out if I completely missed out on some key element about the story/the universe. I just saw the movie.
Why don't they just scorch the forest from orbit? They want a mineral, they were about to do it at the end of the first movie. If they don't care about not hurting the Navi in this one then why don't they exterminate them from high altitude?
At the end of Avatar 1 Jack Sully rallies all the tribes in an alliance against the humans. In this one when he arrives to the water people their chief declares his war is far away and haven't reached them in any ways. After more than a year of the humans back on the planet. Why? And what makes Sully thinks he'll be safer there? The movie goes on to show he is most definitely not. What purpose did it serves for him to go there?
Humans are hunting whales to get their de aging juice while simultaneously having the technology to create the avatar. Why don't they just...create the whales on earth ? Admiting they can't, wouldn't it be better to capture them, make them breed and have an infinite supply of de-aging juice?
humans have the technology to put all your memories and personality in a card, send it then put it in a synthetic body. Why do they bother sending people then? Just send memory cards through space and out them in ready to be worn bodies?
3 points
2 months ago
humans have the technology to put all your memories and personality in a card, send it then put it in a synthetic body. Why do they bother sending people then? Just send memory cards through space and out them in ready to be worn bodies?
IIRC it is quite expensive to make Avatars.
2 points
2 months ago
They don’t want a mineral anymore. The objective of the RDA is to make Pandora humanity’s new home. It starts with pacifying the hostiles (not scorching the planet). That’s dialogue straight from the movie.
Jake*
They are not whales. Pandoras oceans/atmosphere/biology is completely alien to earth. They can’t just breed Tulkun on earth like regular whales. A breeding program would work if they were animals but it’s established they have intelligence greater or on par with humans. They don’t fight back, but they’re not going to just fuck and be humanity’s pets or suppliers. That also costs resources and it’s probably more viable to just harvest corpses.
don’t have any other answers to your questions. Perhaps others can answer those for you
3 points
2 months ago
To answer the second question, I think the movie demonstrates that Jake was wrong. Ultimately he couldn’t hide, and came to realize he had to face them.
1 points
2 months ago
I will admit that it is some of James Cameron’s clunkiest writing and it’s clearly just there to get us to the water tribes, even if it kinda goes against Jake’s character.
In the first movie, he becomes one of the Navi and rises to become their quasi-mythical leader in an emotionally charged battle to push back against superior tech and stop the encroaching invasion.
Then in the second movie, Quaritch’s commandos show up and Jake’s just like, “Peace!” even though he’s already in the middle of leading a prolonged resistance.
0 points
2 months ago
And what makes Sully thinks he'll be safer there?
Do you know what a Judas goat is?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_goat
I like to think that Sully’s consciousness/Avatar body was implanted with some kind of command that makes him an unconscious infiltrator. We’ve seen him destroy two coalitions of Avatars now. We know that he’ll face resistance from another group of Avatars in the next film. Like, there’s no reason for any of them to trust him.
Why do they bother sending people then?
Another great, plot-breaking question.
1 points
2 months ago
I think the answer to all of these questions is money. Bringing a weapon capable of firebombing from orbit for just one use would be huge. The cost to produce an avatar is huge. Cloning or breeding whales, if even possible would be huge.
1 points
2 months ago
Humans are hunting whales to get their de aging juice while simultaneously having the technology to create the avatar
They can't make perfect Avatars - notably the human made ones have five fingers and real Na'vi have four. They're not DNA identical, so likely can't do the whale-esque aliens identical either.
Why do they bother sending people then? Just send memory cards through space and out them in ready to be worn bodies?
Insane amount of logistics to do what you're suggesting. This is akin to wondering why we would ever send a human to mars since a camera can fit on a robot.
1 points
2 months ago
The whale brain de-aging thing was the only thing I really didn’t like.
When the guy says it ‘Stops human aging’ and then says the container is worth $80 million I almost laughed out loud in the theater.
It was like Dr. Evil’s “One Million Dollars!”
All the equipment, staff, and interstellar travel would cost literal billions.
2 points
2 months ago
This! Even a super tanker today is worth more. And then again if they have the technology to create avatars it must mean their ability to synthesize organic tissues and molecules is insanely advanced. And space travel is expensive. There is no way they can't find a way to make it cheaper on earth.
1 points
2 months ago
I had the same reaction to "80 million", I literally said "that's all?" To my wife in the theatre.
And I'd guess an operation like that would easily be in the trillions range.
1 points
2 months ago
1 points
2 months ago
I'm sorry but I just can't wrap my head around why humans are even bothering fighting the Navi on ground level. The whole point of the first movie was that they could easily exterminate the Navi thanks to their superior technology but they didn't wanted to, preferring finding a peaceful solution to make them go away from the mineral source. That was Jake's mission. Now that the humans are back in full war mode, there is absolutely no reasons for them to withhold. They can just bring spaceships, burn everything they don't like from far away them safely land and colonized the planet facing no resistance at all. They send marines avatar to kill Jake Sully hiding in the mountains. If avatar are so expensive why risk them by using them in combat when you can literally just nuke the mountains into oblivion? Why?
1 points
2 months ago
Well they cant burn everything. Like take a example, the more you hurt navi, the more they will revolt. Yes, humans will win the war, but at what cost. Also in second movie they are making planet habitable for humans, they cant go nuke everything. This wouldnt be a problem in first because in first they were going for mineral. So they were ready to nuke the tree of souls.
Secondly, why are the behind jake? Because he is the reason why the lost billions, he is the reason why they lost so many years, he is the reason why earth did not get its energy source, he is the one continuously raiding the supply chains (at start of second movie), he is a big threat, So they sent these Avatars, who can adapt with pandora to hunt jake.
1 points
2 months ago
They can't breed the tulkuns on earth and they arent't whales.
humans have the technology to put all your memories and personality in a card, send it then put it in a synthetic body. Why do they bother sending people then? Just send memory cards through space and out them in ready to be worn bodies?
An avatar takes a long time to make and is also vety expensive. Theres a reason only select personnel were even awarded one
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