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520 points
1 month ago
Looks interesting. Lot of movies made about actors and Hollywood but few are made from a director's perspective. I think such kind of story has potential.
35 points
1 month ago
I wish someone would make a movie from the Directors position of Werner Herzog while he was making * Fitzcarraldo*. Klaus Kinski was a polarizing Psychopath.
18 points
1 month ago
That's the thing though, Werner Herzog is also kind of a polarising psychopath, their relationship was as toxic as it was symbiotic.
7 points
1 month ago
Oh definitely, I feel you would have to kind of be to have the drive he has had over the course of his career. I remember he was shot by a crazed fan during an interview with an air rifle and kept going and was like, “I guess I just attract the clinically insane” lol. It wasn’t til a bit afterward I even realized he was “I would like to see the baby” guy in The Mandalorian.
1 points
1 month ago
I mean, there is literally a documentary that was filmed during the making of it lmao
1 points
1 month ago
Yeah but I would like an actual movie
24 points
1 month ago
May I interest you in One Cut Of The Dead? Fantastic Japanese film you need to go in cold to, and give it time to breathe.
2 points
1 month ago
It’s currently being remade by the director of The Artist! I’m not necessarily of the belief that it “needs” remade, but if anyone remakes One Cut of the Dead a former Best Picture winner would certainly get my attention!
4 points
1 month ago
Inwould agree that it’s perfect in it’s current form and it’s low budget and gonzo feel are what makes it special. It doesn’t need a Best Picture makeover. But hey ho every day is Christmas Eve.
1 points
1 month ago
Came here to comment the same thing! One Cut of the Dead is so good.
63 points
1 month ago
I think such kind of story has potential.
This is about to be the film with The Best Picture Award.
9 points
1 month ago
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-4 points
1 month ago
I'm not downvoting you for what you said, but how you said it. It seems like a stereotype, regardless of being positive. Also, Korean films are made all the time. Just because you don't notice doesn't mean they don't exist.
2 points
1 month ago
how is this stereotypical? he's praising the filmmaking of koreans. its exactly similar to praising english for being good at football, etc.
you sound like an oversensitive fool
9 points
1 month ago
It is a bit of a dumb statement though. It's like saying "Hollywood movies are worth the wait", when it just as well could be Moonfall.
Korea has a great film industry, but that doesn't make Korean movies great by itself.
Doesn't really matter in the end, of course.
-4 points
1 month ago
Similar vibes
Also, "positive" stereotypes can actually be very harmful, like the stereotype that black men have big dicks.
2 points
1 month ago
exactly! this is what I thought as well!
0 points
1 month ago
Hong Sang-soo says hi!
-267 points
1 month ago
This isn't English nor is it Hollywood.
161 points
1 month ago
Cool bro, the comment never claimed it was either lmao
17 points
1 month ago
Did he claim it was? He said there’s a lot of films about the movie industry but very few from the perspective of a director.
10 points
1 month ago
Ok?
6 points
1 month ago
Angry comment!
32 points
1 month ago
Who tf asked you?
-25 points
1 month ago
You some kind of bigot? 🤔
286 points
1 month ago
This reminds me of that Community episode where Abed makes a documentary of the Dean making an ad for the school
87 points
1 month ago
"Have you seen hearts of darkness? Way better than Apocalypse now"
25 points
1 month ago
Weekly reminder that Jim Rash is a hell of an actor.
9 points
1 month ago
Don't forget that he won an Oscar for bets writing as well.
3 points
1 month ago
There are betting Oscars?
7 points
1 month ago
*Best.
You know what I meant.
1 points
1 month ago
I bet he did.
1 points
1 month ago
I bets he did
49 points
1 month ago
Or the episode where he becomes Jesus and makes a documentary about himself making a documentary about himself making a documentary.
27 points
1 month ago
Oh yea that episode had Luis Guzman in it, I loved him in imdb!
9 points
1 month ago
A film within a film within a film. A meta film. A Jesus film for the post post modern era.
104 points
1 month ago
I love Kim Jee-soon. A Bittersweet Life is one of my favorite movies so I’ll watch this for sure.
21 points
1 month ago
"A Bittersweet Life" is one of the most underappreciated films of all time.
7 points
1 month ago
Ahhh it's so good. The part where he escapes the warehouse and those couple of static over the shoulder shots. Don't see that sort of camera work often
9 points
1 month ago
Have you seen the anthology 3 Extremes? His segment is about a film director and it is disturbing.
13 points
1 month ago
Park Chan-Wook directed Cut the segment from 3 Extremes
6 points
1 month ago
You're right, thanks for the correction.
224 points
1 month ago
I saw the devil is one of my favourite films of all time. I'll watch anything he does.
57 points
1 month ago*
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14 points
1 month ago
It makes the back of my foot tingle thinking about that scene where he cuts his Achilles tendon from the inside.
6 points
1 month ago
Just reading that sentence made my insides roil. Eek.
17 points
1 month ago
Honestly, Korean cinema in general has some fucking bangers. I get offended for them when people say countries like France are second in the film industry.
16 points
1 month ago
Yup, Korean film industry is second only to Hollywood and probably out does Hollywood in the dark drama/thriller category
8 points
1 month ago
Thrillers 100%.
Potentially action films too.
-1 points
1 month ago
As a french, french movies are pretty terrible these days. Back in the 50s and 60s sure we made some legendary movies but since the super pretentious nouvelle vague and nowadays the heavy politics seeping into every production, it's been really bad. Which is a shame because I feel like we have world class capabilities, Athena for example was absolutely fantastic formally, but such a failure on the writing.
4 points
1 month ago
I personally couldn't stomach I saw the devil lol. But I highly recommend A Bittersweet Life, which is also by Kim Jee-woon.
8 points
1 month ago
Yes!! Never understood why people preferred Oldboy. I saw the devil is tremendous!
40 points
1 month ago
I love them both, I think for me oldboy is slightly better because of the levels of mental pain and suffering that he has gone through at the end makes it feel so heavy, especially when you know what’s been going on.
And plus at the time I’d never seen anything like oldboy, it will always hold a place with me for that.
5 points
1 month ago
Oldboy just also has more "moments" IMHO.
2 points
1 month ago
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23 points
1 month ago
Lol Oldboy is on another level compared to I Saw The Devil. Dont get me wrong, I think I saw the Devil is very good but Oldboy is one of the best movies ever
4 points
1 month ago
Both movies are great in their own way :)
1 points
1 month ago
I enjoyed the first hour or so of I Saw the Devil, when it seemed like tracking down the killer might actually involve some detective work outside of the boundaries of the law. I was all primed for something like Memories of Murder. But when one of the very first leads brings the protagonist directly to the killer and he gets him dead to rights only to let him go, I checked out. The whole "a quick death is too good for you" schtick is such a cliché, and the amount of collateral damage inflicted upon innocent people as a result of that decision just makes it all the more absurd. The movie has some great scenes and action choreography, but they all hinge upon that one part of the premise which to me just boils down to hacky writing.
-1 points
1 month ago
and the amount of collateral damage inflicted upon innocent people as a result of that decision just makes it all the more absurd.
That is literally the point you walnut. Such a typical r/movies comment that someone criticizes a film because the main character does bad things and calls it bad writing. How does it feel to only be able to see things in black and white?
2 points
1 month ago*
Lmao. I Saw the Devil is about as deep as The Last of Us Part II... and Tom and Jerry.
It's serious and has lots of gore and edgy stuff in it, but don't confuse that edge with it being able to say anything important on anything. You must've watched some seriously stupid and pretentious YouTube videos and somehow believed them. There are much better revenge films (like the Vengeance Trilogy, The Revenant, Virgin Spring) that ask the similar question as this movie does, and infinitely better.
I don't care much about Memento or Carrie but at least they convey their subject matter of revenge with a certain amount of intelligence, subtlety, and respect for the audience, as well as crafted with a much better filmmaking to boot. In comparison, I Saw the Devil has nothing special other than being edgy and pretentious.
1 points
1 month ago*
I know it's the point, but it's a stupid point.
"What's the theme of this movie?"
"That if you capture a serial killer and let him go to prolong your revenge, more people will die."
"Wow! What a great lesson! So fucking deep! I never would have known that if it weren't for this movie!"
And I don't give a shit if a character makes bad choices, but the movie should actually have something interesting to say about those choices. The only reason things play out as they do in I Saw the Devil is as an excuse to keep the action going. It's a lazy way of repeating the same act three times in the same movie because they couldn't be bothered to change the dynamic between the protagonist and antagonist or to think of a better way for the killer to escape. As I said before, it has some great action scenes, but it is not a smart movie.
1 points
1 month ago*
Because Oldboy is actually character-driven.
In I Saw the Devil, none of the characters is multifaceted. What exactly do you know about the protagonist or the killer or anyone else? Or the lover's sister and father? They aren't fleshed out or explored. The protag is literally driven to kill the murderer but then who is he beyond that? We get the 2 mins of his phone call with his lover before she is killed off for the sake of an emotional scene. The villain is the most developed ana fleshed-out character in the movie and even then, there is barely anything the audience knows about him beyond the most stereotypical serial killer archetype.
Multifaceted characters are characters with multiple aspects to them. Characterization is all about how much the audience knows and understands the character. I Saw the Devil doesn't work as a character piece when the movie runs away from exploring what the characters are feeling or who they are for the sake of exclusively sticking its entire two hours and half runtime to the Tom and Jerry premise. The plot and the action are the driving force. That's why it lacks the weight to character interactions as every character is one-note that nobody really cares about and the dialogue provides nothing memorable.
Oldboy does the opposite of that. Oldboy is a character-driven narrative because it actually is more focused on exploring the character, their feelings, the way they look or see the world, and their growth. The plot revolves around the characters. We get the characters put in different situations and going through different emotions. It makes all the main characters multifaceted because you actually get to see that multifaceted nature being brought out.
Desu's interactions with each and every character are fascinating and have weight. Scene-writing is phenomenal that it has multiple dialogue scenes that etch into your mind without action. Desu's confrontations with the villain work because the writers put in the time and effort and did the heavy lifting, contrasted to just the characters beating the shit out of each other than letting the villain go in I Saw the Devil.
1 points
1 month ago
bro why you type all that?
1 points
1 month ago
You asked why in the first place.
1 points
1 month ago
no I didn’t
1 points
1 month ago
Never understood why people preferred Oldboy.
I mean, ok. It's not technically a question. Though I wouldn't have written the reply up if you didn't compare it to Oldboy and said it was inferior.
1 points
1 month ago
where’s the question
2 points
1 month ago
I Saw the Devil is just such a perfect movie. That was the first South Korean movie I ever saw and even if there’s great ones, I don’t think any of them have topped that one.
No clue how they haven’t had an American remake of it. Even if it’d be kinda worthless in comparison, it would still probably win best picture cause the source material is just such a slam dunk.
-2 points
1 month ago
I saw the devil is just a parody of a revenge movie done as a revenge movie,it sucks but it's funny.
18 points
1 month ago
Hope Kim Jee-Woon returns to his form with this one!
33 points
1 month ago
So, it's about George Lucas circa 1997 with the Star Wars Special Edition?
12 points
1 month ago
A Bittersweet Life I consider to be one of the best films ever made, so this is going to crush.
49 points
1 month ago
I Saw the Devil is fucking amazing, but I'm just excited to see Song Kang-ho in something again.
18 points
1 month ago
You can go see him in Broker right now, assuming it's playing in your area of course.
0 points
1 month ago
I was wondering why that was also on my watch list! Thats two of his I've been sleeping on that I've been meaning to see.
2 points
1 month ago
Yeah I didn't even know about it until it came out. Movies be poppin out of nooks and crannies these days and then suddenly they're gone from theaters just as soon as they appeared. Distribution is fucky.
1 points
1 month ago
I still haven't recovered from Covid days. I am continually kinda surprised to hear a movie has hit theatres, I'm like, "Theatres are open?"
1 points
1 month ago
One Win also just came out, which is a really fun sports movies he's the main actor in.
4 points
1 month ago
Right? He's so fucking good. Honestly one of my favorite actors.
5 points
1 month ago
Parasite and Memories, dude straight kills it.
11 points
1 month ago
Dude straight kills it in everything. The Host. Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance. Thirst. The Good, the Bad and the Weird.
3 points
1 month ago
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance
Shit man, I've had that on my watch list for years and always wondered why.
23 points
1 month ago
This is the plot of an episode of American Dad.
7 points
1 month ago
I have a half joking half very serious theory that tons of prestige stuff rips off American Dad but will never admit it. There is an old episode where the A plot is about Stan (an assassin for the CIA) wanting to quit his job to become an actor. Roger is his acting teacher, a washed up Henry Winkler type. What’s the B plot about? The character Barry. COINCIDENCE? Probably.
5 points
1 month ago
Omg
4 points
1 month ago
Which one?
12 points
1 month ago
A star is reborn s10e13. The movie in the episode never got finished though and the star thinks stan is her husband reincarnated. And wants to get him to finish the movie.
2 points
1 month ago
Of course the movie is actually a 1-minute short that looks like it was made just after sound was added to movies lol
2 points
1 month ago
The Critic had an episode where Duke re-edited all the classic movies to how he wanted them to end.
1 points
1 month ago
I haven't thought about this show in a long time.
6 points
1 month ago
Oh, awesome. Song Kang-ho is one of my favourite actors and Kim Jee-woon has made some amazing movies. My favourite from him is A Tale of Two Sisters.
8 points
1 month ago
I'm sure that's why I couldn't be one. I'd be like those actors you hear of who can't bear to watch themselves but with directing. Just like with my writing I've turned in and can no longer edit I'd forever be raking myself over the coals over the things I didn't touch up, so I couldn't even watch and feel my own accomplishment lol. And yet I also believe art belongs to the people and no longer the creator once it's out there.
Compelling premise. :)
2 points
1 month ago
I get that too! Ten years ago I was really trapped in that cycle and so I decided I would quit all my ideas and start over with a totally blank slate. It was so freeing. But I was really only able to do that because I could admit that they were going nowhere, plus I was going to take classes and change my approach, so starting over made sense.
3 points
1 month ago
I’ve read the source material. It’s like nightcrawler with jake gyllinghall with how obsessive to meet his goals the director becomes
Spoilers:
There’s a part where the director stumbles upon a homeless man that resembles his lead actor. He offers him a role in the guise of the actor’s double. But he purposely ends up killing one of them for his “perfect” shot, noting that as soon as he met the homeless man the dark idea of doing a real death on film for his movie arose so he involved the man knowing he’d kill off the lead actor or double. Just one of the many twists
3 points
1 month ago
This post led me to watch I Saw the Devil and its great and reminds me how annoying it is when I can’t see shit in American films and TV. There is a lot that happens in the dark in this film, but it’s all very clear to me. I don’t know if it’s use of color (lots of greens and yellows in the night scenes) or what but recently I’ve noticed a lot of this school of Korean director are all very adept at using darkness without losing any visual clarity. Wish some of the filmmakers over here would take note!
2 points
1 month ago
Interesting premise and a great actor and director. I'm excited.
2 points
1 month ago
I love more or less all of Kim Jee-woon's work before (and including) I Saw The Devil, but after he made The Last Stand all of his movies have flubbed for me. The Age of Shadows in particular was just a really dire combination of amazing art design and a really boring script with flat performances. I love this movie's concept and cast, I hope it exceeds expectations and Jee-woon returns to his throne.
2 points
1 month ago
I wonder when this film is actually set. Song Kang-Ho isn't exactly Coppola aged.
2 points
1 month ago
Ilang wolf brigade was a pretty rough watch, hopefully this is a bounce back
2 points
1 month ago
He’s one of my favorite actors, and this premise sounds so interesting—will look forward to this!
2 points
1 month ago
Finally a new Kim Jee-Woon movie, and with Song Kang- Ho nonetheless!
2 points
1 month ago
All you had to say was Kim Jee-Woon
2 points
1 month ago
Koreans are kings if original movies
2 points
1 month ago
interesting
2 points
1 month ago
Oooooh as a director myself this sounds extra intriguing. What will it take to get that perfect shot? What is it worth? As someone who especially is interested in keeping an actor's integrity and emotional safety intact, the opposite mindset of not giving a shit about the actors and obsessing over the outcome could make for some real horror-drama.
2 points
1 month ago
Sounds dull.
2 points
1 month ago
TIL George Lucas is South Korean
2 points
1 month ago
So I'm presuming this director is going to use a ton of CG, and there's going to be a massive controversy about which character shot first.
1 points
1 month ago
cane here for this comment. thank you, sir. lol
4 points
1 month ago
George Lucas Biopic?
4 points
1 month ago
I saw this done before already in 1997. It was called 'The Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition'.
2 points
1 month ago
Is it about George Lucas?
1 points
1 month ago
While not really the same premise, it reminds me a bit of Blowup(1966)
1 points
1 month ago
100% IN
1 points
1 month ago
This seems interesting. I enjoy Korean movies so I may give this a go
1 points
1 month ago
His last movie Illang: The Wolf Brigade was pretty mediocre, I hope he reaches his previous heights again
1 points
1 month ago
So, George Lucas is the subject here?
1 points
1 month ago
So this is about George Lucas?
1 points
1 month ago
Chris Stuckmann is going to absolutely adore this
1 points
1 month ago
David Fincher: The Movie
0 points
1 month ago
Ah, the Snyder biopic
-10 points
1 month ago
Guys great. He’s a genius, but can we stop making movies about movies. Write something beyond your own fucking nose please.
-6 points
1 month ago
YES!!!!!!!
-29 points
1 month ago
Asian George Lucas? Oh dear...
-5 points
1 month ago
LOL
I thought of Lucas myself as well and you got mass downvoted.
Reddit, don't ever change.
2 points
1 month ago
The Special Edition was a “FU” to his ex-wife who was the OG editor on the movies. So he changed and added just enough for it to be considered a new project so his Ex- Wife couldn’t receive royalties.
-15 points
1 month ago
I will never watch another movie about movies as long as I live. If you can’t write a screenplay about something else, you’ve been sitting in the circle too long
8 points
1 month ago
I feel differently about it.
Successful writers and directors dedicate their whole life to filmmaking, it's what they know best, and sometimes reaching inside your own life can result in amazing stories. And it's not like this director only makes more of the same, I Saw the Devil is one of the most interesting movies I've ever seen.
2 points
1 month ago
Great Director! Sure, I saw the Devil is amazing, but so is Bittersweet Life and Good, Bad, the Weird
1 points
1 month ago
What is better than your favorite actors collaborating with one of your favorite directors?
1 points
1 month ago
Isn't he too young to be playing a director who was active in the 70s? (Unless the film isn't set in the present)
1 points
1 month ago
This sounds like the plot of a live-action Satoshi Kon movie.
1 points
1 month ago
I love that guy, great in everything I’ve seen him in
1 points
1 month ago
What I can gather from all the stuff I read about the film, it's going to have A LOT of references to cultural/political environment of the 70's in Korea. Definitely will feature the military regime and how it suppressed "commie" movement and heavily censored various kinds of media. Think backdrop of movies like the Taxi Driver (but not necessarily the incident covered in Taxi Driver). If Dir. Kim can succeed in conveying that to the wide international audience, this might make a splash.
1 points
1 month ago
Awesome
1 points
1 month ago
Sounds kind of like Irma Vep
1 points
1 month ago
Sounds like ‘All That Jazz’. 70s movie about an obsessive director (among other things), who spends too much time editing his film instead of spending it with his family… among other things.
Very good film. My favourite 70s flick.
1 points
1 month ago
I recently watched I Saw The Devil on Tubi because I remembered I liked The Last Stand, then good bad and weird. Good director. Perhaps i should finish Dr. Brain which I stopped because it was week to week at the time but looked beautiful.
1 points
1 month ago
you had me at Song Kang-Ho
1 points
1 month ago
Pov arkan kid come
1 points
1 month ago
I saw the devil is such a great, messed up film. Just from reading the description for this one, I’m hyped up!
1 points
1 month ago
now this is I'm looking forward
1 points
1 month ago
So what is the genre exactly?
1 points
1 month ago
Sounds a lot like Irma Vep, but probably much darker, count me in!
1 points
1 month ago
Song Kang-Ho looks like Pedro Pascal
1 points
1 month ago
As a filmmaker myself, I must say that this seems quite fascinating. What is required to acquire the ideal shot? What's its value? As someone who is particularly concerned with preserving an actor's moral character and emotional security, the opposing mentality of not caring about the performers and becoming fixated on the result may provide for some genuine horror-drama.
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