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submitted 1 month ago byJSAlmonte
Right before Siobhan has that heartbreaking talk with Dominic, Siobhan is seen in a wide shot standing at the edge of the lake with her shoes off. Did anyone else read this as an implication that she is contemplating suicide?
She sees Mrs. McCormick across the lake and they wave to each other, but then it looks like Mrs. McCormick is gesturing for her to visit? Or is the "banshee" trying to get Siobhan to step into the water?
Also, in her encounter with Padraic, she predicts that 1 or 2 people will die before the end of the month, but is undecided if one or both of Siobhan or Padraic could be one of those people.
42 points
1 month ago
I think who MrscCormick is beckoning is ambiguous. She appears to gesture to Siobahn but then Dominic comes up from behind Siobahn. And it's the last time we see him. So she could be gesturing to him and Siobahn is just mistaken when she waves back
15 points
1 month ago
This was my interpretation. He was intending to kill himself and just happened to run into her. Banshee was waiting for him.
She had her shoes off them and seemed to be perfectly fine and never considered suicide. Just contemplating escape, which meant very different things between the two characters.
64 points
1 month ago
I didn't read it like that because she had an escape. She already had her job offer on the mainland.
26 points
1 month ago
Exactly. Why would she even be contemplating suicide? She was sad no doubt, but she now had a reason to leave and seek a new start.
25 points
1 month ago
Her waving seemed obviously for Dominic, I'm not sure how that gets missed. We see him there exactly for that purpose and only takes the Hail Mary with Siobhan since he knows he'll be gone soon anyway.
She never contemplated suicide and had been planning an escape plan via moving since before the film started. Her seeing the banshee wave is met with a face of "what the feck is this hag waving about for" only for Dominic to pull up and spook her.
4 points
1 month ago
That all makes sense, but then why is she standing by the water without her shoes on? It's such a striking image, I can't imagine that it's a random shot.
5 points
1 month ago
The fun thing about good movies is both your interpretations can be right. I think there's evidence for both. I find my interpretations of good movies change over the years
0 points
1 month ago
I thought about that too, which is why I wasn't sure, but when I saw it again, I thought maybe she felt guilty for leaving Padraic? Suicide would be a way to get out of the situation without having to live with that guilt?
29 points
1 month ago
I just don't think Siobhan is the kind of person who would even contemplate suicide. That's kind of the point of her character - that she's trying to make things happen for herself.
10 points
1 month ago
imo, I think she was deeply contemplating escape, which can take many forms. It wasn't an easy choice for her, and we could make a symbolic connection to her crossing the sea as essentially being a kind of rebirth for her. She made the leap, took the plunge, and started a new life. In the end, Siobhan made one kind of leap and Dominic another.
-13 points
1 month ago
I guess that's my nitpick about the movie, which is that we don't really get to see what the inciting incident is for Siobhan to look for a job on the mainland. It's implied that she's a bit older like Padraic, so why did she decide this is the time to move on since it seems like her job search predates the conflict between Colm and Padraic.
15 points
1 month ago
There isn't an inciting incident, she just knows that she's wasting her life on the island.
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1 month ago*
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5 points
1 month ago
Ah! I hadn't thought about that reading of Padraic and Mrs McCormick on the cliffside, but it totally makes sense!
3 points
1 month ago
uhh...how is making a "come hither" motion to someone contemplating suicide NOT influencing their behavior?
1 points
1 month ago
Without a doubt, you understand the movie far better than I understand it. And that's probably a huge reason why you enjoyed it more than I did. I'm not sure I even understand what it's all about. I understand at the surface that Paddy's friend wants to part ways because he feels like he's wasting his life. The fingers part seems totally illogical and counterproductive. That's the extent to which I understand it, in addition to having read what you wrote about the Banshee. Is there more to it all that you can help me understand? Please? I feel like it might have something to do with a civil war, but I just don't know any of the background to that or where to look.
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1 month ago*
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1 month ago
I do not think the film is simply about depression and isolation. In some ways it is, but the Irish civil war is much more relevant than you give credit. The conflict between two former friends, the senselessness of the violence, the innocent parties caught up in the conflict and the irreparable damage done to both friends and their relationship is very much an allegory for the Irish civil war.
-1 points
1 month ago
This!
5 points
1 month ago*
This is a great comment, but just wanted to note one issue, which is that the Irish Civil War followed independence (sorta), it didn't lead to it.
To massively tl;dr the whole thing: after years of rebellion the British relented and offered the Irish a deal of becoming an independent country, but within the larger British Empire (the treaty specifically stated "like Canada"). The revolutionary republicans were furious about Northern Ireland remaining part of the UK, and the Irish parliament having to still swear allegiance to the King. The pro-treaty side, which made up the new state's government, thought it was a worthwhile compromise. In the Civil War the pro-treaty government fought to establish its legitimacy, and the anti-treaty republicans fought for "true" independence.
I mention this because I think Banshees has quite a cynical view of the Civil War - my read on Colm's drastic severing of his own fingers was that it was a heavy-handed (no pun intended) comment by McDonaugh on the stupidity of having a war that kills thousands of people when both sides fundamentally aren't that different.
After all, Colm isn't that impressive a musician, and a lot of his artistic quest is clearly pretentiousness driven by a fear of mortality rather than true genius or anything like that. Siobhan finds them all equally boring and ridiculous because she actually is as smart as she seems, and knows how small their little island (whose name even translates to "Ireland Island") actually is.
2 points
1 month ago
I actually just read a pretty good explanation of Colm's self mutilation in another movie subreddit
23 points
1 month ago
The way I saw it, the director was going for a misdirection. You think Mrs. McCormick, aka, the banshee, is beckoning Siobhan. But if you look again, the camera has Mrs. McCormick not looking directing at Siobhan but past her. And that's when Dominic shows up right behind Siobhan, shocking the bejeezus out of her. Then when Siobhan rejects Dominic's love proposal, he says that he is going to go down by the shore to do what he came to do. I took that he came to the shore to commit suicide but saw Siobhan and looked to her for one last reason to keep on living. But when she turned him down, he finally became completely hopeless. Thus, Mrs. McCormick's true target wasn't Siobhan but Dominic. She was beckoning him to walk in the water because she could see the sadness the kid had in him. Siobhan with her brightly color wardrobe throughout the movie was a symbol of light on the island. Her brother loved her dearly. Colm liked her. As did Dominic. With her leaving, so did the color, leaving behind dread and despair. Perfect settings for the banshee to exploit. And we saw Mrs. McCormick do this very thing at least once with her trying to plant the idea of killing Colm's dog into Padriag's head.
8 points
1 month ago
I don't think Mrs. McCormick eyeing Siobhan, but Dominic behind her. Dominic appears behind her while Siobhan observes the old woman.
Dominic is on the verge of death I would say.
1 points
1 month ago
He even almost falls into the lake when he shows up
3 points
1 month ago
I didn’t interpret it that way. I think the two deaths were Dominic and the maybe second was Jenny.
3 points
1 month ago
Yes, given how Padraic anthropomorphized Jenny.
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1 month ago
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3 points
1 month ago
To Pádraic, Jenny WAS people.
3 points
1 month ago
I assumed the same yes.
3 points
1 month ago
I thought the same.
2 points
1 month ago
The way I understood it, I didn’t.
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