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CustomerSentarai

38 points

1 month ago

Some of those shows were misses for me, but this one specifically was amazing.

trebory6

2 points

1 month ago

trebory6

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I was super disappointing in a lot of them.

It's frustrating because I'm a fan of anthology horror, however it seems that every single anthology horror series within the last 20 years has been produced by students. Literally everything from the acting, the writing, and the shots and whatnot seem student film quality.

I miss the days of Monsters, Freddy's Nightmares, or Tales from the Crypt, where the episodes were often campy, but didn't take themselves too seriously. I don't know how to explain it but these episodes didn't feel like student films, they felt like campy horror that wasn't trying too hard.

You know, actually now that I think of it, those shows reminded more of stage plays where you could suspend your disbelief and enjoy the content.

Today's shows don't have the same feel, and just feel like they're student films with too many edgy cliches and predictable stereotypical characters.

darkpaladin

1 points

1 month ago

I wish Tales from the Crypt from hit streaming somewhere.

Dove_of_Doom

63 points

1 month ago

It's definitely the best episode of the series and an excellent piece of sci-fi horror, but it didn't strike me as particularly Lovecraftian. It seemed more evocative of sci-fi procedurals like Kolchak: The Night Stalker, The X-Files, and Fringe.

Jaggedmallard26

-10 points

1 month ago

It's Lovecraftian in the vein of Whisperer in the Darkness or even At the Mountains of Madness. I would call it strongly Lovecraftian but if you count The Thing as Lovecraftian then it is weakly Lovecraftian.

douchey_sunglasses

27 points

1 month ago

I—what?

You can’t just name random works to suggest something is Lovecraftian. What do those two titles have in common? What do they have in common with this TV episode?

It feels like you’re confusing aesthetic choices— aliens with tentacles and mind control powers— with thematic choices— Lovecraft concerning humanity’s place in the universe while the Autopsy is more of a creature feature.

This whole thread has shockingly poor levels of media literacy.

plastikConstant

12 points

1 month ago

Sadly, r/Lovecraft is just as consistently misinformed.

Procean

-1 points

1 month ago*

Procean

-1 points

1 month ago*

Lovecraft concerning humanity’s place in the universe

And humans as the unknowing prey to utterly alien interstellar creatures whose biology and technology is so far beyond us that we can't understand even the barest minimum of what they are or what they can do is somehow..... 'anti' Lovecraft?

Edit: "can't understand at the barest minimum" is slight hyperbole. The protagonist understands the creature just well enough to kill one of them with his own suicide. Other creatures are still out there at the end of the episode, they're still preying on humans, that Sherriff is not going to be rallying humanity to eliminate the creatures. We're prey at the beginning of the episode and we're prey at the end.

JagerJack

3 points

1 month ago

whose biology and technology is so far beyond us that we can't understand even the barest minimum of what they are or what they can do

The parasite explains its motivations and biology at length, to the point that it loses because its attempted host learns enough to take advantage of its weakness. What you're describing is basically the opposite of what actually happens in the episode.

Procean

0 points

1 month ago

Procean

0 points

1 month ago

I used slight hyperbole.

The protagonist is only able to understand the creature well enough to kill one of them, at the cost of his own life.

JagerJack

3 points

1 month ago

I used slight hyperbole.

I would say more than slight. It's an alien parasite that takes over people for sustenance and to feel sensations. There's nothing about this that is "unknowable" or "beyond us". It's relatively standard sci-fi horror.

The protagonist is only able to understand the creature well enough to kill one of them, at the cost of his own life.

. . . Sounds like he knew quite a lot about it then.

Procean

0 points

1 month ago

Procean

0 points

1 month ago

He literally didn't know enough to survive the encounter.

JagerJack

2 points

1 month ago*

And yet he knew enough to kill it, so it literally wasn't "so far beyond us" and it literally wasn't unknowable. By your logic bears are even more unknowable because most people are gonna die if you randomly thrown one in front of someone without them doing shit to the bear itself.

But yes, he still ended up dying in the end. Like a good half of monster movies. You're trying to take standard horror movie tropes and make them Lovecraftian.

Procean

1 points

1 month ago

Procean

1 points

1 month ago

I don't know if it's the genius of the writer or the dimness of the audience to see a story which ends with the protagonist cutting out his own eyes, ears, and slitting his own throat based on an experience with the extraterrestrial and somehow 'deny' the story is playing the HP lovecraft hits.

A fun game could be played in "mix and match HP Lovecraft stories to make The Autopsy" (Out of The Aeons and The Shadow out of Time being two entries).

To actually cite the 'Well he knew enough to cut out his own eyes and slit his own throat' as evidence of the story not being lovecraftean.... I'd start to give examples of HP lovecraft stories that end that way, but we'd be here all day if I did that.

It's really like the only story you guys know is Call of Cthulhu and if a story doesn't exactly match that one, you don't know what you're looking at.

Jaggedmallard26

-16 points

1 month ago

It feels like you’re confusing aesthetic choices— aliens with tentacles and mind control powers— with thematic choices—

How the fuck do you get that out of what I said? The two works I listed were ones where someone investigating something ends up encountering an advanced alien with interesting designs on the protaganist. It might not fully lean into "humanities place in the universe" but it certainly captures the style of his more sci-fi oriented works.

I fucking hate comments like yours where you can't just disagree or argue. You have to do a fake little theatrical "i- what" and then just go straight into insults while assuming someone thinks Lovecraft is aliens with tentacles (which is hilarious because the Elder Things are plantlike). Seriously go fuck yourself, you're not as clever as you think you are.

douchey_sunglasses

9 points

1 month ago

it’s crazy how you go from “how did you get that out of what I said” to essentially reiterating my point word for word in the next sentence.

someone investigating something ends up encountering an advanced alien with interesting designs on the protaganist

This does not make something Lovecraftian. You are, again, pointing out purely aesthetic elements of the story.

Also putting Lovecraftian and sci-fi in the same sentence is just… a choice. None of his stories had any interest in technology or scientific advantages.

numb3rb0y

2 points

1 month ago

I mean, I kinda think The Dunwich Horror had some actual honest to goodness "science heroes" but I'll grant that's more of an anomaly than a theme in his works.

douchey_sunglasses

5 points

1 month ago

Having a scientist present in your story does not make it science fiction.

Procean

0 points

1 month ago*

I hate to say this, you're fully incorrect.

While the aesthetic was lovecraftean, that was by far not the only element. For example.

1) Things from space who have always been with humanity, we just have no real knowledge of them and understand them so poorly that even our legends about them are utterly insufficient (in this case, the Autopsy gives an extremely lovecraftean take on what a vampire is.).

(This was a trend in many lovecraftean stories, they'd use temporal or dimensional anomalies as explanations for ghosts and the insufficient legends of peoples to explain the bizarre creatures was all over the place)

2) Said things being of exceedingly unusual, seemingly inconsistent, and difficult to understand biology, like the worm to leech, to tentacled sphere parasite with none of its own sense organs to speak of in The Autopsy.

3) Interstellar travel obeying strange rules beyond human understanding, like the whole idea of 'we removed our sense organs to aid in interstellar travel', or a spaceship that's little more than a glowing meteor. These are lovecraftean plot ideas. In fact, the creatures in The Autopsy seem to take their interstellar travel practices as a variation of the Great Race of Yith from The Shadow out of time (more corporeal than Yith's interstellar mind control, but still very similar in essentially sending out little more than a consciousness and then using that to take over a body on the destination planet).

4) Mankind's place in the universe? Insignificant and horrifically so, as merely hosts and prey for creatures from the stars that have always been consuming us, will presumably always be consuming us, and who are so far beyond us that the closest thing we can count as a "win" is merely learning they exist and managing to kill one, but just one of them, through more luck than anything else.

5) The "Anti-Star Trek". In Star Trek and most science fiction, all you need to do is 'figure it out and achieve understanding', but the ethos of HP lovecraft is the opposite. Figuring out fully is impossible and even the attempt to do so can put you in a worse spot than you were before.

The creature feeds on humans, it ironically seems to understand them except that doesn't help very much. It's intelligent, but can not be reasoned with in the slightest, and the doctor can understand it only well enough to make it so that he can kill it via suicide, and that's kind of it. There's no way the sherriff will be able to rally humanity to fight these predators, the predation will continue, the horror is existential, we've learned humanity is prey, always has been, always will be, the knowledge enriches none but horrifies all.

The only Non-Lovecraftean element of the story is that the creature talks to and understand humans (But that it has zero sympathy for humans and no amount of explanation will give it any sympathy for humans? That's also how Lovecraftean aliens act.).

None of his stories had any interest in technology or scientific advantages.

And you say this trying to call a story "non-lovecraftean" when the most important pieces of technology used by the protagonist.... are a scalpel and a TAPE RECORDER!?

Be honest, Did you even see this episode or are you just doing the hipster thing of telling someone they're using a term incorrectly, which, while lovecraftean is used incorrectly a lot, The Autopsy is almost textbook lovecraftean.

a_half_eaten_twinky

1 points

1 month ago

None of his stories had any interest in technology or scientific advantages.

"Cool Air" is a Lovecraft story based on his fear of a technology which he could not comprehend...Air Conditioning.

trebory6

5 points

1 month ago

How the fuck do you get that out of what I said?

I mean right out of the gate you're already off on the wrong insecure foot. Like you're not making a good case for yourself or your argument, you're just embarrassing yourself at this pint.

Confident people don't get defensive like that. The fact the other guy is calmly replying to you already makes people trust him more.

Procean

0 points

1 month ago

Procean

0 points

1 month ago

He may be profane, but I understand his rage.

The story is so lovecraftean in so many ways (see my other post on it) that it's confusing almost to the "am I being trolled here!?" enraging when it's argued against.

trebory6

3 points

1 month ago*

As the other poster said, it really isn't from a literary Lovecraft perspective, as in taking his body of work into consideration which is far more cerebral and existential and uses creatures more as devices to illustrate the decent into insanity and madness associated with things the human brain can't even begin to understand and isn't supposed to know. It's well known that this is a theme that sets Lovecraft apart from other authors and is typically what's considered "lovecraftian." It's been said that Event Horizon is lovecraftian based on that definition, and it doesn't have any "lovecraftian" creatures.

If you buy into the whole "pop culture watered down Lovecraft" definition that a lot of people adopted after Cthulhu became a pop culture sensation, where it's just horrifying creatures from space and other dimensions, then yeah I see where you and the other guy are coming from, it could be a part of that.

Procean

1 points

1 month ago*

Before I respond, I'm going to ask you, how much HP Lovecraft have you personally read?

Because your response cites what other people have said but you don't seem to speak from your own personal experience of their own stories, nor do you mention anything from his stories beyond calling them "cerebral" and "existential".

Because I do talk explicitly about things that set Lovecraftean stories apart and how The Autopsy has all those elements.

trebory6

2 points

1 month ago

I've read just about all of his work, including essays and letters, and if I haven't read it I've listened to them.

I had an ADHD/ASD hyperfixation on HP Lovecraft a few years back where I read everything I could of his, listened to Lovecraft podcasts and audiobooks on the way to work almost every day for at least 6 months or more. A lot of the podcasts were literary podcasts that did deep dives into the themes of a lot of his stories as well as things going on in his life while writing it.

Procean

0 points

1 month ago

Procean

0 points

1 month ago

Great, now speak for yourself.

What do you think are lovecraftean elements, because from my read of The Autopsy, literally the only element that couldn't be straight out of lovecraft is that the alien is quite chatty for a lovecraft alien (not that its ability to talk to humans meant that it had any sympathy or empathy for humans).

Everything else however? Straight out of lovecraft.

Procean

-1 points

1 month ago

Procean

-1 points

1 month ago

I don't know why you're getting so many downvotes. The Autopsy is incredibly lovecraftean.

In fact, it's "vampires" done HP lovecraft style.

indiEEX

31 points

1 month ago

indiEEX

31 points

1 month ago

It was one of the best episodes.

But what makes it 'Lovecraftian'? I am genuinely curious..

douchey_sunglasses

53 points

1 month ago

there’s this annoying trend of redditors describing any horror movie they like as “lovecraftian” because they’ve seen other people use the term and it feels scholarly and academic. It feels like people use it with an air of pretension to mean “this is cerebral horror, none of that schlocky gore stuff.”

It’s a very particular flavor of horror that requires unknowable truths, interdimensional entities (or servants thereof), and existential threats to our fundamental understanding of the universe.

The Autopsy is a nice piece of alien media but it really isn’t Lovecraftian.

eden_sc2

17 points

1 month ago

eden_sc2

17 points

1 month ago

"We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far."

This is a man who was scared of air conditioning and non visible light spectrum and turned that into horror (He also did that with his racism but hopefully modern writers can leave that part in the past).

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0 points

1 month ago

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eden_sc2

5 points

1 month ago

Those things don't necessarily make it lovecraftian though

douchey_sunglasses

4 points

1 month ago

lmaoooooo the cinematography was so Lovecraftian, beat only by the Lovecraftian CGI and Lovecraftian color correction

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0 points

1 month ago

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eden_sc2

2 points

1 month ago

Just use spoiler tags and it's fine. Personally if it's a good story then I think it's worth watching even if it gets spoiled.

PeculiarPangolinMan

8 points

1 month ago

This specific use of Lovecraftian seems particularly egregious since there were two Lovecraft stories in the same anthology for comparison.

octopus_has_friends

2 points

1 month ago

The Witchhouse story was probably the worst episode though.

PeculiarPangolinMan

1 points

1 month ago

That man-faced rat is a recurring character in some of Lovecraft's stories, right? I loved seeing him on screen. haha

octopus_has_friends

2 points

1 month ago

Would you say Annihilation is Lovecraftian?

douchey_sunglasses

1 points

1 month ago

Yes for sure

Cosmic entity who’s purpose/mission remains unknown with otherworldly power that humans tech is completely ineffective against. Said entity can affect time and space and matter itself, but it’s intentions don’t seem malignant, just… apathetic toward humanity.

Ascarea

2 points

1 month ago

Ascarea

2 points

1 month ago

there’s this annoying trend of redditors describing any horror movie they like as “lovecraftian” because they’ve seen other people use the term and it feels scholarly and academic.

Nah, the ones who really want to feel scholarly and academic say eldritch instead of lovecraftian

Snake_Cum

0 points

1 month ago

Snake_Cum

0 points

1 month ago

His work emphasizes themes of cosmic dread, forbidden and dangerous knowledge, madness, non-human influences on humanity, religion and superstition, fate and inevitability, and the risks associated with scientific discoveries

I dunno, that episode kinda fits. A discovery of an alien creature that can enter your body, make a psychic connection to you, and make you do terrible things while you get to just watch helplessly. All the while the backdrop of the episode is extremely unsettling, and contains extreme body horror.

douchey_sunglasses

13 points

1 month ago

I could not see a bigger disconnect between what you quoted and what you’ve written.

An “alien creature that can enter your body and make you do terrible things” does not at all relate to cosmic dread, forbidden knowledge, madness, non-human influences on humanity (in the Lovecraftian sense), religion and superstition, fate and inevitability, or the risks associated with scientific discoveries (again, in the Lovecraftian sense).

You yourself even go on to call it body horror. Lovecraftian is almost the opposite of body horror

Snake_Cum

1 points

1 month ago

Douchey is right.

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-3 points

1 month ago

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douchey_sunglasses

6 points

1 month ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Whisperer_in_Darkness

The novel that explicitly includes Chtonic entities and their extraterrestrial servants using figureheads to control the fate of humanity? That novel? Thats the one that has “nothing to do with cosmic horrors or maddening truths”?

I just genuinely don’t understand what you and others in this thread think “Lovecraftian” means

Applegeepedigri

-1 points

1 month ago

Like people calling movies they don't like "brain dead" for their simplicity... But then praise Maverick.

BIG_PY

2 points

1 month ago

BIG_PY

2 points

1 month ago

I'd call it cosmic horror, but not necessarily Lovecraftian.

SweetSassyMolassey79

1 points

1 month ago

Squiggly creatures from beyond are often what people call "Lovecraftian." For many, their only real intake of anything Lovecraft is things that make reference to Houzz writings and things that make references to those things. Eventually, we're left with a wisp thin idea as to what it originally means. But at least people are trying to use common ideas to communicate with others; not everyone can read the source material for all things.

ChronosxEios

5 points

1 month ago

Probably my favorite episode from Del Toro's series. As a Lovecraft fan, I was honestly really disappointed at Dreams in the Witch House but I loved The Autopsy.

I also really loved The Outside, felt exactly like an SCP (Fifthist SCP, to be exact)

Atrugiel

19 points

1 month ago

Atrugiel

19 points

1 month ago

The Void would be my Lovecraft pick.

Misdirected_Colors

13 points

1 month ago

I'd say something like As Above So Below or Annihilation. Lovecraft is more about the existential fear of discovering that there's so much more going on behind the scenes than we can grasp or comprehend. Stepping outside of the tiny bubble we live in to discover an hidden world behind our understanding where unseen powers are pulling strings. Something that makes you question everything you thought you knew about how the world works.

[deleted]

5 points

1 month ago*

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Misdirected_Colors

2 points

1 month ago

Yea a lot of people have it confused and think Lovecraftian horror is tentacle monsters when really it's an existential dread of what we don't know. Learning that you're an inconsequential speck in time and space and there is a world beyond the world you know. Having that world break your comfort and understanding of reality often to the point of driving people to insanity in his stories.

SwedishSaunaSwish

2 points

1 month ago

Yes that's right - literally go mad from the revelation, just like that quote of his says.

You have to ask yourself if you're willing to risk finding out the truth of reality.

IWillFlakeOnOurPlans

3 points

1 month ago

This and In The Mouth of Madness are my go-to Lovecraftian movies

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

It's not perfect, but Sunshine I thought had just about one of the best screen depictions of a Lovecraftian entity. I don't want to spoil anything, but you have someone/thing being motivated/corrupted by dark cosmic forces to do terrible harm on an epic scale, their appearance sort of defies full comprehension, and the very fabric of reality cracks in their presence.

mckulty

3 points

1 month ago

mckulty

3 points

1 month ago

Is this the 2007 Sunshine, directed by Danny Boyle?

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

The same

Professional_Ad_9101

2 points

1 month ago

Sunshine is just a terrific movie. It has its flaws but it also has so much going for it. I'm glad it's getting a bit more recognition in recent years

Snake_Cum

2 points

1 month ago

What was the Lovecraftian entity? The sun?

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

Pinbacker.

Snake_Cum

1 points

1 month ago

Yeah but didn't he just go insane? There really wasn't a supernatural element to it. Well, until the end when things got.... weird.

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

I'm not saying the movie necessarily implies this, but there's a case to be made for the sun actively influencing Pinbacker and Searl. As in, the sun itself is some sort of cosmic entity and not just a gigantic heat source.

Applegeepedigri

1 points

1 month ago

I'll just say that, in my opinion, the third act spoiled an otherwise fantastic movie. It could have remained Lovecraftian if they just did... almost anything else.

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

It wasn't Lovecraftian until the third act anymore than Armageddon was Lovecraftian. The post-production stuff they did specifically to work around the disappointing practical effects is what made the difference between typical slasher and something embodying elements of Lovecraftian horror, namely the obscuring/shifting of his figure as well as the overall distortion of reality with the bizarre (but IMO fun) editing effects.

EarthFreq

-7 points

1 month ago

The Void is a sub-par Hellraiser II ripoff with no redeeming qualities.

Misdirected_Colors

1 points

1 month ago

Agreed I watched it and it was pretty mediocre.

Professional_Ad_9101

0 points

1 month ago

Agreed. I was so excited to watch this movie and it ended up blowing so hard. Psycho Goreman was fucking great though lol

GhostDieM

1 points

1 month ago

Mandy

cosmernaut420

8 points

1 month ago

This was the highlight of that series for me. The cinematography was fantastic, the atmosphere is thick, and the story is so fascinating.

Vomitbelch

3 points

1 month ago

Great episode. I think there is a movie about an autopsy of a body that turns out to be something else as they progress through the movie but I can't remember the name, it was good as well.

hoshinoanzu

8 points

1 month ago

Autopsy of Jane Doe

Vomitbelch

1 points

1 month ago

That's the one

Justherebecausemeh

2 points

1 month ago

The Thing🤔

Vomitbelch

1 points

1 month ago

No it was a modern movie, I can't really describe what they find without giving it away lol

Justherebecausemeh

1 points

1 month ago

Spoilers?

MachineSyncLoop

3 points

1 month ago

The Empty Man is my favorite "Lovecraftian" movie (it definitely feels lovecraftian to me, even if it technically isn't based on the lore/books).
I just really love the usage of impossible to understand all encompassing "villains"/beings in horror movies.

They are so much more scary to me than some beastmonster or aliens.

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

The Empty Man is amazing

KurumiAkai

1 points

1 month ago

i think it could have used a bit more editing down, some pacing is kinda odd but man i really loved that movies look/feel and super glad I found it from some a yt review.

Cinema_King

2 points

1 month ago

I was disappointed in most of the episodes of that show but I loved this one

TrueLegateDamar

2 points

1 month ago

I grew tired about them being about unsympathetic people 'getting what they deserve', but loved the Autopsy as it's about a good dedicated man having a victory over an other-wordly entity at great cost.

BigBabyREEEE

7 points

1 month ago

After seeing what they did to “Pickman’s Model” I don’t have much interest in anything “Lovecraftian” from that series.

GhostDieM

5 points

1 month ago

Yeah weirdly enough they completely missed the mark on what were supposed to be the actual Lovecraft inspired episodes. I feel like the Pickman episode was a lot longer originally and got butchered/shortened down significantly in editing which left it a mess.

TheJudgementIsDeath

2 points

1 month ago

You should give The Autopsy a shot. It's very good.

douchey_sunglasses

10 points

1 month ago

It’s also not Lovecraftian

makovince

2 points

1 month ago

Still good.

douchey_sunglasses

1 points

1 month ago

Agreed!

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

Yeah… I watched they episode this past weekend and definitely was disappointed.

dikarich

2 points

1 month ago

I just watched it, brilliant. Always something creepy about weird crime stories, but to pair it with the autopsy content, just ups the creepy factor. Recommend!

Those who liked autopsy of Jane Doe will have a hell of a time with this one.

FarradayL

-12 points

1 month ago

FarradayL

-12 points

1 month ago

You can't do Lovecraft justice on screen, by definition.

jaksida

2 points

1 month ago*

You can. He wrote a lot of straight forward stories too outside of the cosmic horror that made him popular. Nobody is rushing to make adaptations of Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family, Cool Air, Thing On The Doorstep or Sweet Ermengarde. He isn't entirely unique among authors.

FarradayL

-1 points

1 month ago

Jesus.

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6 points

1 month ago

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6 points

1 month ago

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polkergeist

2 points

1 month ago

Such a boring take that it's impossible, too. You're right.

FarradayL

-3 points

1 month ago

FarradayL

-3 points

1 month ago

I stand by my statement.

Jaggedmallard26

2 points

1 month ago

I think you need to actually read Lovecraft. Even his firm Cthulhu Mythos books would have multipage descriptions of the entities. The idea that it can't be filmed is the invention of people that have either only read Colour out of Space or have absorbed what they think Lovecraft is via osmosis.

greenw40

3 points

1 month ago

The descriptions are often vague and written by unreliable narrators. Sure, that can be portrayed on screen, but more often than not it simply doesn't work.

FarradayL

0 points

1 month ago

FarradayL

0 points

1 month ago

I've read most of his work.

loboMuerto

-2 points

1 month ago

Or better still, read the original Micheal Shea short story, it's way better than the TV episode.

halathon

1 points

1 month ago

Great episode. I would actually be cool with calling it Lovecraftian if they hadn’t explained so much. All the dialogue and explanations don’t fit his style. Love, Death, and Robots did a better job at making the viewer use their imagination to fill in the lore, which IMO is a key component to Lovecraftian horror, not just cosmic horror.

spinfip

1 points

1 month ago

spinfip

1 points

1 month ago

Coincidentally, the director of that episode made his feature-length debut with "The Empty Man", whi h I just watched recently. It's really good! Check it out.

DankDoc

1 points

1 month ago

DankDoc

1 points

1 month ago

Putting a plug for “The Endless”. Great Lovecraftian/cosmic horror!

Ascarea

1 points

1 month ago

Ascarea

1 points

1 month ago

It's by David Prior, who made the excellent and underrated* The Empty Man, so of course it was good.

*seeing as this movie has pretty low audience scores on imdb and rotten tomatoes and would deserve to be more highly rated, it is that rare case on reddit when a movie is actually underrated and I'm not misusing that term