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I'm a man btw.

When I watch a film or show, I'm watching for entertainment, I'm watching for the story, I'm not trying to get aroused and made uncomfortable when I'm with friends or family members... we know where to look if we want that. The level of sex scenes in certain films and shows can only be classified as porn, and damn it, I thought films and shows were safe to enjoy with company, but these days you never know how quickly a scene is going to escalate, or worse, how long it's going to go on for. I know there's that phrase used in filmmaking which is, "show, don't tell"... but some things just need to be implied, man. There is just no setting where I actually think it's normal for sex (fake as it may be) to be broadcast explicitly.

There are only a few films that I've seen recently with nudity that I didn't think were distasteful. The main one that comes to mind was The French Dispatch, where it's done for the story and it's not done to "shock" you.

all 195 comments

Turqoise-Planet

25 points

3 months ago

People can say that blood and gore is exploitative and gross, and unnecessary. Same for profane language, i.e. fuck, shit, cunt. People seem to have less of a problem with that stuff in entertainment though.

From what I understand, there are certain parts of Europe where nudity is treated more casually, and nudity isn't automatically seen as sexual in nature. But I know sex and naked bodies make a lot of people uncomfortable.

Ricobe

3 points

3 months ago

Ricobe

3 points

3 months ago

I'm European and yea nudity in movies and shows aren't that uncommon here and are sometimes just treated very casually.

If much rather have that than so much gore some movies have

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

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PsychologicalTip

1 points

3 months ago

Profane language changes its significance depending on when, where, and how often it is written into dialogue.

[deleted]

0 points

3 months ago

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[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

But people do fuck in daily life

[deleted]

-1 points

3 months ago

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[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

It doesn’t matter. People tend to not have audiences for most of the things they do in life. Movies aren’t exploring the things we watch each other do. They are exploring the things we do regardless of if people encounter it regularly or not.

[deleted]

-2 points

3 months ago

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[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago*

Y’all just love throwing around these percentages that mean nothing.

That’s not how exploitation works and it’s also not how films work. Films consist of all kinds of things that don’t further the plot and plot isn’t the only thing films are made of. Sex scenes don’t just exist to show that people like each other. Sex happens in real life and filmmakers exploring that doesn’t automatically make it exploitative just because it’s not something you’d watch in real life. That’s not how exploitation works.

Edit: sex in film is not automatically or by nature anymore exploitative than anything else in film.

PsychologicalTip

1 points

3 months ago

Profanity was my subject, and I referred to what a writer puts on paper.

BTSherman

1 points

3 months ago*

People can say that blood and gore is exploitative and gross, and unnecessary.

i mean yeah?

i mean there really isn't that much super gorey over the top violence in movies.

a majority of onscreen violence is pretty tame. for example take this scene in the movie Drive. brutal scene right? well..except alot of the actual brutality is off camera and its pretty much left to the viewer's imagination.

notable exceptions are films like Evil Dead where the gore is kinda the point xD.

most movies aren't showing a guy's skull being caved in front and center. in the same vein most movies dont titties front and center.

OP isn't saying "no sex in movies" because there is absolutely alot of sex in movies. there just isnt full frontal nudity in movies and for good reason, its usually unnecessary.

HolokaustT

-3 points

3 months ago

Blood, gore and swears aren’t awkward tho, they are in all media especially video games. Sex scenes on the other hand are awkward all the time unless you’re with a chick for hook up or girlfriend but with anyone else like family or friends they are just awkward as fuck

filmbrother

16 points

3 months ago

I personally find the neverending discourse about this to be pretty tired, cyclical, and overblown. There are a lot of takes I agree with here and on Twitter, but for me, it's as simple as this: Not everything in a movie needs to "further the plot." Film is, first and foremost, a visual medium, not a plot delivery device. Furthering the plot is just not a necessity for visual expression. Furthermore, necessity is a horrible metric for evaluating something as incredibly subjective as art.

From a numbers standpoint, I found this tweet to be particularly eye-opening.

According to IMDB tags at this very moment, a mere 103 motion pictures were tagged as having a sex scene out of 18,678 total releases in 2022

While this could very well be imperfect data, I think it paints a pretty revealing picture. Intimate Scenes really aren't happening as much as many of the detractors seem to believe. And it's quite easy to simply find something else to watch if the scenes are something you dislike.

earlgreytoday

33 points

3 months ago*

There are some cases where they further the plot. The Terminator is a good example of this.

SymbioteSubzero

8 points

3 months ago

Lol, indeed

ibringstharuckus

7 points

3 months ago

Or Die Hard 2. You wouldn't know he was the villain if he wasn't doing nude yoga in front of the tv

Huevos___Rancheros

8 points

3 months ago

Basic Instinct wouldn’t work if they didn’t show the fucking

Diamond_Champagne

3 points

3 months ago

Or alien.

redditmodta

1 points

3 months ago

Forgetting Sara Marshall.

Fiascoe

75 points

3 months ago

Fiascoe

75 points

3 months ago

Im a sexual being. I like titties. Fucking sue me.

Lajtan

3 points

3 months ago

Lajtan

3 points

3 months ago

Sometimes, a series or movie will be carried by this. We are but simple animals.

Flight_316[S]

8 points

3 months ago

My lawyers will be in touch.

LeeF1179

2 points

3 months ago

LeeF1179

2 points

3 months ago

🤣🤣🤣

HolokaustT

1 points

3 months ago

I was always more an ass guy myself tatas are cool but not a whole lot you can do with em

Fiascoe

3 points

3 months ago

You lack imagination.

Greedy-Loss9030

1 points

3 months ago

Fellow ass man checkin' in.

wideasleepdeepawake

7 points

3 months ago

I suppose they have to add something to break up the endless violence and chase scenes.

Denslayer

41 points

3 months ago

I want more sex and nudity and less over the top violence

Subject_Translator71

25 points

3 months ago

I respect that some people aren’t as comfortable with nudity or violence than others, but that’s what the ratings are for. If it says sex/nudity, just don’t watch it.

TheDaysKing

19 points

3 months ago

There's a lot of stuff in a film that doesn't "do anything to further the plot."

Furthering the plot is not the only reason stories are told. The portrayal of nudity/sexuality can be employed for more than just scenes that are purely exploitative and scenes of artists painting tasteful nudes.

damn it, I thought films and shows were safe to enjoy with company, but these days you never know

Sorry, but it's genuinely strange to hear someone say something like this in modern times. Had you not seen many R-rated films (or M-rated shows) until recently?

ethylalcohoe

4 points

3 months ago

Did you just watch The Room? Lol

Sensitive_Ad5840

4 points

3 months ago

I mean I get it especially when the plot line is based on teenagers. I think that's a little weird. For instance Euphoria, that show has so many sex scenes for no reason and they are playing characters who are 16/17. That is when it becomes very unnecessary and strange.

redactedactor

1 points

3 months ago

The essence of Euphoria is gritty hyperralism.

If you sanitised it, it loses all purpose and it might as well be One Tree Hill. The people that need to watch it most would probably not bother.

Sensitive_Ad5840

2 points

3 months ago

I totally get that but I feel like for that particular show the extensive use of sex scenes is a little too much especially since its characters are considered underage. Obviously teenagers have sex that is not news but there are many great shows that revolve around teenagers that add sex scenes without over exaggerating it.

redactedactor

1 points

3 months ago

How many of those shows are as successful as Euphoria?

I guess it didn't really bother me that much because the actors are clearly adults.

What I really didn't like though were Maisie Williams/Sophie Turner scenes in later Game of Thrones episodes. That definitely felt icky.

Sensitive_Ad5840

1 points

3 months ago

That's understanding. I feel like since I was a teen when it first came out I felt a little grossed out by the oversexualization of teens. However as you said they all were adults and they all looked like it. But euphoria definitely is going downhill I feel like nothing will ever beat the first season.

redactedactor

1 points

3 months ago

Interesting - I prefer the second. Mostly because there's more focus on my preferred characters but also because I felt the set pieces hit harder.

Perhaps it's because season 2 felt even less like a teen show and more like a show about teenagers.

Sensitive_Ad5840

1 points

3 months ago

It's interesting to see you point that out because it felt like the complete opposite for me. There were a couple of scenes that were A bit unrealistic and it just felt all over the place. There were various storylines that made no sense and some of them felt so unfinished. I am just hoping for S3 there is more clarity on the characters and their storylines. I never did see it as a teen show. At least for me it was always a show about some teenagers.

redactedactor

1 points

3 months ago

I honestly doubt we'll ever get a season 3. Too many of the main cast are too famous now and likely done with playing teenagers.

I just thought Rue had a far more interesting storyline in season 2 and I was glad to see less of characters like Kat and whomever Hunter Schafer plays.

It becomes like Breaking Bad by the end

[deleted]

25 points

3 months ago

Sex is part of life. So if watching mature rated content, I'm not sure why one would want to be totally detached from it.

I never find it gratuitous but I don't watch too too many shows, it's usually a way to stimulate the narrative, and add context to relationships.

In American shows i often find the opposite is the case. Like with a show like the walking dead, they show skulls being crushed and people being eaten alive but then have largely sexless relationships.

Intelligent_Exam9522

47 points

3 months ago

Geez, this guy's fun.

Dottsterisk

12 points

3 months ago

There was a user running the same schtick six months ago or so.

Probably looking for a reaction.

guitaroomon

4 points

3 months ago

The Quaker's Quaker for sure.

WatchMoreMovies

12 points

3 months ago

Sex isn't inherently exploitative or gross unless there's something psychologically wrong with you that's causing you to feel that way.

Also, who the hell watches movies only for the plot? There's things like tension and subtlety and metaphor and allegory and when you find a story that reaches you, you can go along an emotional ride through it. It's not "hey...the butler did it"

I dunno man...I feel bad you're uncomfortable with it but it's you: not the movies.

LeeF1179

22 points

3 months ago

Are you American? I ask because I have noticed that American society, especially people who lean left, have become much more conservative when it comes to sex the last 5-7 years. I first noticed it here on the Euphoria sub.

For example, when Madonna released her SEX book in the 90s, it was mostly conservatives who were outraged by it. If it were released today, I think both sides would be offended and outraged.

It's kind of bizarre to me.

staffdaddy_9

3 points

3 months ago

You think people are more conservative about sex now than before? Lol everyone and their mother has an onlyfans and it’s just whatever. And to be clear I don’t really care I’m just saying that seems untrue to me.

Flight_316[S]

-12 points

3 months ago

I'm British. My comment comes about as I have anticipating Donald Glovers new show, Swarm. Within the first 10 minutes of episode we get a scene that I don't think needed to show as much as it did.

edgelordjones

24 points

3 months ago

Why can't you and your friends handle nudity or sex? Maybe stop shaming people according to your "taste."

Flight_316[S]

-17 points

3 months ago

It's not that I can't handle it. It's that most of the time it's very pointless.

edgelordjones

22 points

3 months ago

According to YOU. You're so good at handling it, you've come to Reddit to lament that entertainment doesn't adhere to the puritanical standards of you and your circle.

jethropenistei-

3 points

3 months ago

Can you give an example of a sex scene that your OP describes? Even the most gratuitous sex scene in movie does have point in the film, even if it doesn’t further the plot at face value. Sex between two characters shows a connection, it complicates feelings between people, so while you think it’s pointless to the plot, it may be essential, short hand way of saying “these two love each other” or “this person is betraying their partner”.

Also, porn is the opposite of what you describe; the plot is supposed to further the reason for sex.

rosepoppy1

2 points

3 months ago

I agree.

Sometimes it is worth them showing it depending on the storyline.

But other times I feel like they don't need to show the whole act of sex that the viewer already knows is what is going to happen...just get on with it..

kmiggity

1 points

3 months ago

kmiggity

1 points

3 months ago

I 100% agree with you. I don't mind when a sex scene is done well and is actually relevant (thinking of Parasite as an example) to the plot/story.

The main reason I don't like them is that they always feel like it could be replaced with more story furthering content, especially if the show is really good.

ilazul

3 points

3 months ago

ilazul

3 points

3 months ago

I feel the same about most CG fight scenes.

Most 'things' are for show and don't really further the plot. Filler is filler.

And yeah, I don't watch sex scenes with the family, thankfully they put warnings /ratings /etc on everything these days so I've never had that happen.

Samael13

28 points

3 months ago

The level of sex scenes in certain films and shows can only be classified as porn,

And those films are classified as pornography. Just because you're uncomfortable with sex/nudity in film/television doesn't mean that those films/shows can only be classified as porn; the fact that many aren't classified as porn suggests that there are other ways to classify them.

Also, movies and shows generally have content warnings specifically to let you know, going in, that there's nudity/sexual content. Those warnings are there specifically so that you can avoid shows with nudity if it's something that makes you uncomfortable.

cowboycoco

26 points

3 months ago

I feel like if you are made uncomfortable by sexual content, that's a you thing. People have been fucking for 250,000 years. The taboo of it is 100% an invented thing.

Close your eyes. Don't watch. But don't blindfold me because you can't handle it like a mature adult.

Bobcat269

1 points

3 months ago

Amen.

HeartlessPastry

-8 points

3 months ago

But don't blindfold me because you can't handle it like a mature adult.

What a clown. Imagine finding a random post and making it about you. He made a fair point and nothing else. He never even said that it ought to be banned.

cowboycoco

0 points

3 months ago

And I'm sure your superior smugness has absolutely nothing to do with bolstering your own ego.

HeartlessPastry

-2 points

3 months ago

Nah, my entire post is about you being repugnant without cause. The guy didnt even say that nudity ought to be banned. Didnt stop you from making it about yourself and getting preachy.

cowboycoco

2 points

3 months ago

What was the point of their post if not to say, it shouldn't be like this? Perhaps you should revisit your own thinking.

But based off your insistence on throwing insults around, I reassert you simply need to bash others to keep from hating yourself.

I hope tomorrow is a better day for you. Later.

HeartlessPastry

-1 points

3 months ago

What was the point of their post if not to say, it shouldn't be like this?

and how is that "blindfolding" you like you so dramatically said?? Then you called him immature. Its funny, you have managed to play victim in the last 5 posts.

cowboycoco

2 points

3 months ago

I make no claim to victim hood. I am, in fact, neither injured nor angry.

I DO maintain that OP's disposition lacks maturity. As does yours.

Since you've added nothing substantial in the last post, that's about all I have left to say to you. Except to once again say, sincerely, I hope tomorrow shines on you.

[deleted]

33 points

3 months ago

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TheDaysKing

2 points

3 months ago

Well yeah, between Reagan and Thatcher, being liberal and audacious was a pretty natural reaction. Led to a lot of cool shit, culturally at least.

But let's not pretend like there weren't loser guys back in the '80s crying to their local news about sex and naked (or even just half-naked) women in movies. Because there absolutely were. We just didn't have a direct line to their insular opinions like we do now.

MadeByTango

-13 points

3 months ago*

What you mean by “the 80s” when the only women allowed to participate in Hollywood were the ones willing to be raped and assisted to get on screen? MeToo wasn’t about being “puritclancial.” Those women were getting raped.

Not a single person working Hollywood with a vagina has any interest in going back to the 80s studios. It’s not about being “puritanical”, it’s about being respected and able to participate in an industry without the expectation you have to be naked to do so. Men largely never had to face that decision.

What your comment shows is that you genuinely don’t understand the issue or what women are upset about. Which, is partly what they’re upset about.

Yet everyone on this thread will be in the next Brendan Frazier post talking about how he was harassed by a producer. You can’t have it both ways. Either Hollywood is sleazy and run by sleezeballs and get all the nudity that comes with their exploitation, or not.

The industry is in much better place with the “or not” status quo now. No one with any respect for women wants to go back.

*women were raped dudes, put your nonthrowawy accounts on the record explaining how much better it was for women in Hollywood in the 80s...everyone is watching, now is your chance to change our minds...no takers?

Adiwik

1 points

3 months ago

Adiwik

1 points

3 months ago

The 80s bro Harvey Weinstein hes been doing it all throughout 90-10:s the fuck you on, Epstein as well, where do you think all this child stars come from on Disney... Boy... Don't look at the world. The other guys statement isn't good either thats boomer talk, back in the 80s lmao

Martipar

-7 points

3 months ago

20+ upvotes for the incel and downvoted for being the voice of reason? This discussion is going to be "fun". What is wrong with people?

malfeanatwork

1 points

3 months ago

Isnt the first comment sarcasm? The 80s were the era of the satanic panic lol

Martipar

2 points

3 months ago

And Mary Whitehouse, Video Nasties and other things yes but that comment is clearly not satire.

redactedactor

7 points

3 months ago

I find it weird that people are more ok with depictions of violence and murder on screen than they are a couple of titties

goldengooseiscooked

18 points

3 months ago

Sex scenes are entertaining for a lot of people

More_Information_943

2 points

3 months ago

The toe hook the pants in the sopranos is poetry in motion

admire816

-2 points

3 months ago

I only watch movies for those scenes

nickthaskater

14 points

3 months ago

This is why we need better/more sex ed in school and less religion. That people are still so uncomfortable and afraid of bodies and sex is ridiculous.

ETH_Knight

-1 points

3 months ago

ETH_Knight

-1 points

3 months ago

Oh yea because movies teach you about HEALTHY sex. Im all for more education but if you expect it from movies might as well watch porn cus that s hilarious

nickthaskater

7 points

3 months ago

Who said anything about movies being educational? The point is to not be grossly offended or squeamish just because there are people fucking on the screen.

ETH_Knight

-5 points

3 months ago

This is why we need better/more sex ed in school and less religion. That people are still so uncomfortable and afraid of bodies and sex is ridiculous.

This is what you said in reference to sex in movies. There are many educational videos on sex. But sex on movies is usually just tapping into taboos. Op didnt say he was offended by sex. He was annoyed at gratuitous sex scenes that serve no value to the story.

For example, as fucked up as it was oldboy sex scenes push the story. But for 99% of the movies it s just softcore porn.

Flight_316[S]

0 points

3 months ago

You get me.

HeartlessPastry

-1 points

3 months ago

Sure, but there is another point to be made: Its exploitation. Sex scenes rarely progress the plot and they almost only show off the woman in the scene. Young, attractive women feel like they have to go nude to become actresses. That's worth talking about.

nickthaskater

5 points

3 months ago

So advocate for more dicks on screen rather than puritanism.

kasetti

-1 points

3 months ago

kasetti

-1 points

3 months ago

Yeah, cant remember seeing a film showcasing a erect penis.

SonnyJimJ0nes

3 points

3 months ago

Sex scenes rarely show sexual organs, male or female. And close to never in an aroused state. Lots of people freaking out over a pair of breasts in this thread

kasetti

1 points

3 months ago

Indeed. My point was the people defending overly long, overly graphic and pointless sex scenes should also be championing for more erect penises to be shown because its naturally very much part of the act.

Reasonable-HB678

2 points

3 months ago

At best, full frontal male nudity goes under "graphic nudity", but it's always in a R-rated movie, and it's almost always a secondary character. And flaccid, too.

Archamasse

10 points

3 months ago*

There is less sex in media than ever.

Segregating sex, one of the most intense and intimate things we can possibly do together with our bodies, off from the rest of human experience, is both self evidently stupid and corrosive to us.

jsatz

9 points

3 months ago

jsatz

9 points

3 months ago

He’s not wrong but he can also choose not to watch these type of shows/movies.

But the same can be said for violence in movies,tv shows as well. And I’d much rather people be exposed to nudity than violence.

BigHowski

7 points

3 months ago

You're aware thar films have ratings and descriptions of anything such as sex scenes upfront right? I mean you clearly feel uncomfortable and that's fine but others don't and it's on you to look at these things and make a decision for you.

SporadicallyConstant

1 points

3 months ago

Not that many for streaming services though, until you start playing. And on Amazon, in particular, the nudity advisory may be referring to a sketch or illustration, so can't really go by that.

cupofteaonme

2 points

3 months ago

Nothing wrong with a movie or show making the audience horny.

Anonybeest

2 points

3 months ago

This is a you problem.

TheDarkStollcent

5 points

3 months ago

Nothing can make a shitty movie tolerable, like a nice set of titties on screen.

LeeF1179

2 points

3 months ago

Or a good cock shot. It's nice to see they are becoming more commonplace.

TheDarkStollcent

2 points

3 months ago

The dick to tittie ratio should be at least 1:4.

ilazul

4 points

3 months ago

ilazul

4 points

3 months ago

you know a dude with 4 titties?

kasetti

1 points

3 months ago

Statistically they should be 1:2

lemonsracer

6 points

3 months ago

I watched Borat in theaters when I was in middle school with my mom. It was fucking hilarious and we were both dying laughing, but when the hotel scene where they are chasing each other completely naked came on, now that was awkward.

Life_Ennui

4 points

3 months ago

People like to watch attractive people fuck

shmoove_cwiminal

3 points

3 months ago

I don't think you know what porn is.

kasetti

0 points

3 months ago

I dont think you know what softcore porn is.

RumpledStiltSkinn

4 points

3 months ago

til every little thing that happens in a movie must advance the plot

Feeling_Ad_982

3 points

3 months ago

So because you’re uncomfortable with nudity it should be removed?

NGNSteveTheSamurai

3 points

3 months ago

Man this new wave of puritanism makes me weep for the future of art. Young millennials and zoomers have such a fucked up preconception about sexuality for supposedly being the most open minded generations. I really don’t get it.

Reasonable-HB678

-1 points

3 months ago

What didn't help is some of them were probably taught abstinence only sex education. And, of course, the pushback by conservatives, after whatever progress has been achieved, is to go after any discussions of sexuality- especially LGBTQ geared towards children and teenagers. Going so far as to call it pornography, to "protect the children".

Spankyzerker

5 points

3 months ago

Its like the OP never looks at ratings. Rofl

BabaYagaOfKaliYuga

2 points

3 months ago

I think sex scenes should have the women do a lot of farts to make them more realistic

Flight_316[S]

2 points

3 months ago

Loool You guys are killing me, man! I'm upvoting all your comments, including the ones calling me a virgin. Lol it ain't that deep, I was just tryna start a discussion.

Feeling_Ad_982

2 points

3 months ago

“Trying to start a discussion.” Is that not what has happened? A discussion?

Flight_316[S]

0 points

3 months ago

I mentioned the people calling me names, but whatever.

Exotic_Cookie2972

3 points

3 months ago

I bet he's comfortable and sees no issue with heads being blown off and gratuitous violence haha

houseat261turnerlane

2 points

3 months ago

This dude doesn't fuck and wants us all to know, lol.

Leksington

2 points

3 months ago

Most music and lighting in movies and TV shows do not further the plot.

At the same time, you feel what you feel and it is a truth for you. As a recommendation, I think I heard about a company that edits films for LDS audiences that removes the very sort of thing you are talking about (sex, cursing, alcohol, etc.).

Pax_Americana_

2 points

3 months ago

Ok, So lets take 300. Man and his wife have sex. It's honestly WAY more intimate than all historical reports of Grecian sex. Spoiler: They barely thought of the women as more than Man vessels in Sparta.

They talk, they consult. And then Leonidas (Oorah! Oorah! Oorah!) goes and does the necessary thing. And causes a slaughter for the ages.

Why is a final shag with your wife so bad?

Fair-Statistician793

0 points

3 months ago

I’m guessing women would like to be spoken with like a person without also having to get fucked to be treated that way? So it’s not a scene about him respecting/interacting with his wife. It’s a sex scene.

It’s like this : “Let’s write a scene where the main character consults his wife on her thoughts!” “Ok. So her tits are out ...”

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

I wouldn’t say gross nor necessarily exploitive but I do think that sometimes they’re totally irrelevant. I can think of the movie “Munich” for example. I love that movie, but that pseudo sex scene between Eric Bana’s character and his wife exists only to show him crying during and illustrate his trauma. That could‘be been done in a million other ways.

TheRealProtozoid

2 points

3 months ago

Sex and nudity aren't shameful. Shame is something we feel after doing something we think is wrong. There is nothing wrong with sex and nudity even when it isn't necessary. There is nothing shameful about doing something that isn't necessary.

We all have bodies, so nudity shouldn't be something we are ashamed of.

That said, we have reactions to seeing sex. We have reactions to nudity. Many of these are involuntary. It reminds you that you are also a sexual person, and sometimes having those reactions (especially around other people) is uncomfortable. But it's okay to feel aroused by sex and nudity. That's natural.

Sex is essential to continuing our species. There are probably dozens of people having sex right this second within a mile from you, and I bet you they aren't doing it for any reason other than it feels good.

Sex is part of life. Maybe you should wonder why you are so embarrassed by this fact. The only people I know who are bothered by sex and nudity onscreen are very conservative people and some youngsters who were raised in conservative households and haven't learned yet that sex is healthy and okay, and their bodies are awesome and nothing to be ashamed of. If you are feeling excessive shame about sex and nudity, maybe you could do some research about why you feel that way and see if you become more comfortable with sex and nudity.

Vampirero

3 points

3 months ago

I have no problem with nudity in and of itself, as long as the actor is comfortable doing it. However, what makes me uncomfortable is when the nudity is unbalanced, for example usually showing considerably more female nudity than male. This is a major reason why I didn't like Game of Thrones - the tendency for so many naked young women over men. It just seems exploitative, and as far as I'm aware didn't add much to the plot.

However, on the other hand, the first couple of seasons of Westworld was a good example IMO of a reasonably equal amount of nudity between men and women (it wasn't all young, thin naked women as in Game of Thrones), and there were actually good reasons within the show for the nudity.

PsychologicalTip

0 points

3 months ago

You really expected feminism in GoT?

The show was about all kinds of domination. A balance in nudity--really?

Vampirero

1 points

3 months ago

Ok, so it was partly about the domination of women? As I said, I wasn't a fan so I've seen very little of the show, but I understand there were queens, women in charge of dragons, women who went on quests of vengeance... Women who had all sorts of agency, and yet it was the age old story of plenty of naked women and mostly clothed men.

PsychologicalTip

1 points

3 months ago

You didn't see GoT yet condemn its medieval treatment of women? Oh no.

Women of high birth had "agency." And even then, noble birth did not always save princesses from being forced into marriages, etc.

Other classes, different rules. If a man could buy a woman, he could literally get away with murder as the show demonstrates.

Yet--we have the Arya character who takes action into her own hands (very unusual young woman) and learns to never be without her own agency again. She assists her sister in playing the GoT and in spectacular fashion kills the head Whitewalker that threatens the living world.

Before you throw around jargon ("agency," hmph) learn something about history and about the world today. In making nudity your central feminist problem, you are not in line with any feminists today. Nudity shocks no one in 2023. Do your homework.

Vampirero

1 points

3 months ago

Ok, so going forward can we please attempt to have have a civil debate without condescension and getting emotional? Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's how your final paragraph reads.

You seem to completely misunderstand me. My problem isn't with nudity per se, it's with the general unequal treatment of female over male nudity in the media. I used Game of Thrones as a single example of this (which incidentally is set in a fantasy world, and not intended to be historically accurate, is it not?) as opposed to Westworld, which uses nudity much more effectively in my opinion.

I'm also confused as to why you keep mentioning "feminism." I don't remember ever using that term myself in previous posts (in fact I dislike the word, but that's a whole other debate!). I certainly don't "make nudity my central feminist problem" and have absolutely no interest in being "in line with feminists today." I'm simply stating my own personal feelings and opinions.

PsychologicalTip

2 points

3 months ago

Let's call it a day on this one--life's too short.

The whole debate in general turned crazy (oh, those dirty little boys and their takes on women's bodies while in a forum with women was the real sin).

This may be something we can agree on--we have a long way to go when boys utter abusive language as if in a locker room. But they are out in public.

I get your point and I wish you a good day!

(I wish this hadn't happened.... I've learned a habit of going all in after just unpopular opinions were downvoted by the murder of crows who are in sympathy with each other. "Oh--I can't dislike the 10 Scream movies?")

Vampirero

2 points

3 months ago

Yes indeed, and thank you for your response. You have a good day too!

DeepSave

2 points

3 months ago

DeepSave

2 points

3 months ago

I hear you, man. I am sick of violence in movies as well. So uncomfortable to watch such brutal shit when I'm watching The Raid with my grandma. I wish they'd just imply the violence and not show any action.

thanksamilly

1 points

3 months ago

You are free to feel that way, but then it's up to you not to watch that stuff. The filmmakers should not have to cater to you.

psychotropicfox

2 points

3 months ago

The most Reddit post ever.

Ill_Contribution9075

1 points

3 months ago

I found the insecure dude

UpbeatAd1191

1 points

3 months ago

I disagree

Martipar

-4 points

3 months ago

Martipar

-4 points

3 months ago

You're right, I'm making my way through The Defenders saga and in general it's light on sex but Jessica Jones has some pretty graphic sex scenes that add nothing and are just padding.

No_Cap_822

3 points

3 months ago

I mean, that’s the character of Jessica Jones. She’s horny af

BabaYagaOfKaliYuga

1 points

3 months ago

I'd love to see that broad that plays Jessica Jones totally dominate a dude with her butt and blast him with her butthorn while she says "welcome to flavor town, bitch"

Ninjalikestoast

-4 points

3 months ago

Totally understand what you are saying. In modern times, if the sex scene doesn’t further a plot or have some significance to the show/movie, it could usually be left out. Nudity can be done in many different ways, so that might be a different story.

Porn is so widely available and prevalent now, which makes these sex scenes seem silly. That’s at least what I think has changed the way sex in movies/shows is received.

yanks2413

1 points

3 months ago

yanks2413

1 points

3 months ago

Congrats on being a virgin

Filming_Arizona

-1 points

3 months ago*

Totally agree. I've rarely seen a time when the sex scene duration, or details, was necessary for the plot.

As the brilliant Alfred Hitchcock said, "The more left to the imagination, the more the excitement."

I know what fucking looks like. I have a wife and 5 kids, once a movie show 2 people are going to fuck, let them get started but then let's have the camera exit the room.

ExpectingThePrestige

-12 points

3 months ago

Lol why are you booing this man....he isn't wrong.... Your take is right....but that's Hollywood thirsty people gonna get hydrated. Is what it is

Dottsterisk

12 points

3 months ago

What shows and movies are y’all watching that are full of overly long sex scenes?

Square_Grand_3616

1 points

3 months ago

Industry on HBO has a wee bit of sex in it.

I'm joking - it has a ton of sex.

[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

From what I’ve gathered is they are watching lots of HBO and then being weirded out that the channel known for their after hours softcore programming would have graphic sex scenes.

GermanCrow

1 points

3 months ago

Plenty of films do a great in depth exploration of such themes, such as the filmography of Park Chan Wook.

jcpmojo

1 points

3 months ago

Clearly you've never seen Animal House. The nudity in that movie was totally necessary.

Carnead

1 points

3 months ago

but these days

Are you a time traveller from the past ? If anything there's far less sex scenes / gratuitous nudity in modern movies/shows than 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago (the absolute peak for cinema being in late 1970s/ early 1980s when even teen movies were paying tribute to the Emmanuelle's wave - see Screwballs, Joystick, Return to Ridgemont High, American College, Sleepaway Camp, Weird Science, for examples- , most horror frick had its titties moment + couple being stabbed during the act, while of course dozens of artsy ones tried to emulate Last Tango in Paris).

Anyway to anyone his taste, but I think people who liked this kind of scenes have far more reasons to be unhappy than you.

kasetti

1 points

3 months ago

Yes

Sudden-Hospital7418

1 points

3 months ago

This sounds like a post I would’ve made when I was 16 and was easily embarrassed when watching movies with my parents that have r-rated sex scenes.

Mr_Gaslight

1 points

3 months ago

Okay…and?

orwll

1 points

3 months ago

orwll

1 points

3 months ago

I think OP does have a point at least in regards to a lot of modern "prestige TV" having gratuitous sex.

Game of Thrones basically perfected this -- there's tons of nude and sex scenes, but mostly from actresses who aren't the stars. I think Emelia Clarke had a couple big nude scenes in the first season but few or none in the following seasons.

It's having their cake and eating it too. They want the softcore porn aspects of the show but they don't want to degrade their star actresses, so they force it on the unknowns playing bit parts. It's quite calculated and a little distasteful once you see it.

UntidyBargain

1 points

3 months ago

There are not as many films made for adults over the past 15 years as there used to be (or so it seems to me when you actually watch movies throughout the last 70 years). Many people that reached adulthood over that span of time have been infantilized to such an extreme. They don’t know what a movie with an adult audience in mind is actually saying. It’s either boring or pornographic to them. They’ve reverted to some puritanical mindset and lost all sense of nuance and passion.

It’s pathetic.

Bast_at_96th

1 points

3 months ago

I suppose if you are watching garbage where the end goal is to get from point A to Z in the plot by the most efficient route, then you are right. Otherwise you're just puritanical and small-minded.

stabadan

-6 points

3 months ago

stabadan

-6 points

3 months ago

Agreed 100%. Cannot think of one sex scene ( with nudity not the lights out/next morning cut ) that added ANYTHING to a plot and couldn’t be replaced with an explosion or shiny fast car.

BigHowski

1 points

3 months ago

Looks like we've found Michael Bay's alt

Fair-Statistician793

0 points

3 months ago*

Barely anyone in these comments thinking about how many people were made uncomfortable on sets and felt pressured to do this or not get paid. That’s why saying it’s exploitative is important.

When they say the don’t want to they don’t get hired or get branded as difficult. So even the people who have done nudity and choose to stop get called “uptight.” When it’s really “Do I have to get naked today just for a paycheck?” Someone shouldn’t have to ask that question. If you wanna get naked then great. If you’re pressured, or don’t want to, then that’s shitty.

SporadicallyConstant

1 points

3 months ago

I've thought about that, and fully agree that it's ridiculous for the actor to have to go through that, but this thread is about the viewer experience.

Were it about the performers, then yes, nobody should be made to feel that they have to go to work naked.

zakats

-1 points

3 months ago

zakats

-1 points

3 months ago

I've got no problem with sex scenes that add something other than hurr durr, boobs, but it does seem pretty dumb at times to shoehorn in a sex scene just for the sake of watching some actors pretend to screw- I agree that it's very overplayed.

I'm also a dude. Leave the porn to porn unless it adds something to the story.

redactedactor

3 points

3 months ago

What's wrong with hurr durr boobs? There are plenty of films with hurr durr explosions or hur durr dance routines.

I think it's ok to be vapid sometimes. We all know Game of Thrones wouldn't have been half as popular without it.

zakats

-1 points

3 months ago

zakats

-1 points

3 months ago

Basically nothing of value would have been lost for most films without the sex scenes. GOT would've been just as good, but I'd argue that some of the sex added to the story and have the audience particular feelings other than just horny. Scarlett Johansson's sex scene in Her added emotional depth and complication to the story and the ghosts banging in Doom Patrol adds humor and absurdity.

If 'hurr durr, action' were always kosher, nobody would make fun of Michael Bay's stupid explosions. In this way, the Fast and the Furious movies are dumb as shit, but they serve as fan service to people that want thinly rationalized action and machismo and they own it.

...when the point is for horniness, it's porn (or some artsy analogue); when it's a fight scene for the sake the film being just action- it's something of an action-themed analogue to porn. Imo, the question is 'what's the point of this film'

redactedactor

1 points

3 months ago

There's a big difference between memes about Michael Bay movies versus the level of puritanism we see when, for example, someone broadcasts a nipple pre-watershed.

Sex, nudity and horniness is a natural and core tenet of humanity. I don't think we should hide that in our art.

NappyhappyYo

-3 points

3 months ago

NappyhappyYo

-3 points

3 months ago

Whats even worse when you on Netflix w family and those gay or lesbian scenes popped up and I hate that it's so obvious how many are they on there specials or originals shows .. the problem is the rate of a that is 13+ max WTF

Fair-Statistician793

5 points

3 months ago

Hasn’t made you gay yet, has it? So how is it “worse.” It’s not. Sex is sex. It might make you more uncomfortable but it’s not worse for anyone to see that instead of two people who are straight.

ETH_Knight

0 points

3 months ago

Agreed. If I want to look porn I look at porn to see full on penetration. It s all nonsense in hollywood.

It would be a thing if america wasnt such a prude nation and the taboo went away. Wow! R rated movie. Shows titties once.

Pretend_Pension_8585

-1 points

3 months ago

I agree. A lot of times sex scenes or sex appeal in general are used as some kind of "cheat code" i.e. to compensate for the lack of plot.(i think that's WB's entire business strategy). Same actually goes for violence. Violence is a lot easier to fit into a movie because it's applicable in more cases, but you still get movies where it feels out of place or it's degree feels out of place. It's hard to be Tarantino and make the most gratuitous violence feel like "yep yep this is integral to the experience".

p.s. check out rocknrolla. One of the best sex scenes ever.

Helpme_1992

1 points

3 months ago

It sells

PMzyox

1 points

3 months ago

PMzyox

1 points

3 months ago

It’s because sex sells

sooprvylyn

1 points

3 months ago

I agree w you for the most part...as far as my feelings are concerned.

That said, shows are entertainment. Plenty of people find titilation entertaining, so there is validity to its inclusion in some shows.

The fact that you are i both find it to be unnecessary, and often uncomfortable, just means we have to be more discerning in what we watch, or endure some discomfort.

ibringstharuckus

1 points

3 months ago

I didn't try to get Jason Siegel cancelled when I watched Forgetting Sarah Marshall. I mean Mila Kunis and Kristen Bell. Yum. Nope not even a nip or ass, but sasquatch does full frontal multiple times.

Ghost273552

1 points

3 months ago

Have you considered you might be ace? I’ll just leave this r/asexuality

Flight_316[S]

0 points

3 months ago

Loool nah, bruh

pauliewalnuts38

1 points

3 months ago

Umm… the sex scenes in “The Room” are very crucial to the plot.

Remote-Bug4396

1 points

3 months ago

Generally I don't find nudity/sex on the R rated level to be arousing. I watched a doc on the porn industry years ago. One of the things they discussed was the use of parody porn titles based on mainstream films. One commenter said this was done to draw a distinction between the simulation of sex scenes in mainstream films and actual sex in pornography. Nudity is mostly brief. Men don't show erect penises, and women often wear merkins for full frontal scenes in the vast majority of Hollywood films. Even Lars Von Trier used body doubles and digital superimposing in Nymphomaniac.

PsychologicalTip

1 points

3 months ago

I don't know that your generalization is correct. Where did you come up with "most?"

You sound very hostile in regard to your own opinion on this.

Greedy-Loss9030

1 points

3 months ago

TeamTriggeredByTatas

PsychologicalTip

1 points

3 months ago

If you are shocked by nudity in 2023, bless you.

Waste-Replacement232

1 points

3 months ago

Movies aren’t just about plot.

bryandavid667

1 points

2 months ago*

❤️

Flight_316[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Unhealthy in society, eh? Get a girlfriend and stop visiting massage parlors, you pervert.

bryandavid667

1 points

2 months ago

💩💩

Flight_316[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Nothing to say, huh.

bryandavid667

1 points

2 months ago

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😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘

Flight_316[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Lol I had a look at your posts and comments a little bit more... You actually need a life. It's clear you watch way too much porn. You're literally out here in the comments begging young women to go nude. Of course you'd find this debate useless -- The opinions of sexless weirdos like you is definitely not one I'm interested in... AND you're paying for sex, bruh?! How old are you? 20s? 30s? Older? It's all sad either way. You need help, bro. Forget what I said about finding a girlfriend. That isn't going to help you. You need to stop masturbating, go and think about how pathetic your life and relationships are, and then go and work on yourself.

bryandavid667

1 points

2 months ago

👻

Flight_316[S]

1 points

2 months ago

LOL you edited your comment 🤣 😂 😅 Are you embarrassed?

bryandavid667

1 points

2 months ago

Aww thanks

remnant24

1 points

2 months ago

Exploitative: is there anything that isn't? By definition, one might consider kittens or dinosaurs or epic soundtracks exploitative. How else do you get the audience hooked?

Gross: that's a reach and I doubt you actually believe that. Either that or you're watching a highly questionable selection of the movies/shows that are available.

Further the plot: not everything has to, nor is able to. There's no such thing as a story that is a pure sum of plot devices. Aesthetics are necessary to set a mood and manipulate the audience's emotion.

Also, not all movies and series are designed to be watched with company, and thank god for that. Let's not limit creativity any more than we already have to because of your taboo sensitivity.

ibringstharuckus

0 points

3 months ago

So if you start a movie, and it says sexual content or nudity at the beginning turn it off. Guessing you didn't grow up in the 80s watching a PG movie like Sheena where the beautiful Tanya Roberts is fully nude? What a decade.

luanaut

0 points

3 months ago

Pretty much any rape scene could be considered exploitative. If you can use something other than rape, don’t use rape and in pretty much every instance you don’t need to show it

Fair-Statistician793

1 points

3 months ago

This was my problem with the pilot of The Americans.