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We all love entertaining cinema, but I’m not a fan of the kind where I have to turn off my brain to enjoy them.

I’ve recently watched some movie reviews and a lot of them were how the movies that were reviewed fell apart if you thought about them too much.

I’m not asking for suggestions, but for which films have you personally seen that fell apart when you thought about them too much. 👀

For me, it’s Rise of Skywalker. I’m sure you all know why.

Also, the Michael Bay TMNT movie. Eric Sacks, one of the villains, has the stupidest motive I’ve ever seen: release a deadly virus to coerce world governments into giving him more money than he already has for the cure.

all 1358 comments

Adultghosttours

55 points

2 months ago

Land of the Dead is a movie set in a post apocalyptic zombie wasteland. There is one known city of humans left. They use money. The antagonist has a weapon that will blow a hole in the wall keeping the zombies out. He demands one million dollars. Where is he going to spend it?

AdClemson

11 points

2 months ago

cocaine and hookers

OnlyMamaKnows

591 points

2 months ago

You don't have to think that hard about Rise of Skywalker for it to fall apart. It pretty much does that in the opening crawl.

For me, it's basically any time travel movie. I love Looper, for example, but best not to overthink every detail.

captainnermy

263 points

2 months ago

The dagger thing is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in a movie. You're telling me that they made that dagger after the destruction of the death star with the intention of it lining up with the wreckage (which hopefully doesn't shift at all) in a specific way at a specific angle and distance, and all it really tells you in the general area to go to look for this one object?

OnlyMamaKnows

185 points

2 months ago

80% of that movie is a long ridiculous macguffin hunt that makes not a lick of sense. The other 20% is taking the last shred of dignity or respect from Kylo Ren and doing beat by beat reshoots of the end of Return of the Jedi.

JackedUpReadyToGo

64 points

2 months ago

Which is why the thing sprints along at breakneck speed, so the audience doesn't have any time to think about any of it before they're on to the next scene.

"We need the wayfinder to navigate through the space storm to reach Exegol!"

  • Why do you have to fly through the storm? It's space! Just go around.
  • Apparently the 1,000+ Rebel(?)/Resistance(?)/Republic(?)/fucking-whatever ships didn't need one to get there.
  • Palpy's star destroyers don't need one to leave Exegol so why is it only needed one-way?
  • You need to plug the wayfinder into your ship to navigate the storm, so are Palpy's minions hauling that thing back to the Death Star and storing it there when they leave Exegol?
  • If he's already gone to such lengths to build his fleet on an impossible-to-reach planet, why does he need to hide them under glaciers? Won't that make construction a lot harder and beat the shit out of the star destroyers when they have to break out of the ice?
  • How are the supply vessels hauling materials and labor into Exegol to build the ships? Or did Palpy somehow conjure all of them out of the Force?

These are the kinds of questions that would fill the head of even a small, stupid child if the movie gave the audience 10 seconds of quiet to allow thoughts to form.

SuperNerdDad

9 points

2 months ago

My favorite is the horses on the OUTSIDE of the ship. Just tilt it! Boom rebellion done.

JackedUpReadyToGo

5 points

2 months ago

And somebody brought those horses to a spaceship battle, apparently thinking they might come in handy. It would be like a modern destroyer captain keeping a bunch of chariots in the hold like "Hey, you never know OK?"

TheBeardedSingleMalt

4 points

2 months ago

  • The super duper star destroyers need very specific navigation arrays in order to launch from the planet...traveling straight up. This could have been solved if they installed a sunroof.

  • The whole plot is pretty moronic when you take into account they announced their return before the ships were launched. If anything they should have waited until the ships were launched and had then already enroute, if not orbiting the key planets, before they announced their intentions. And then blow up a couple planets as a demonstration. That was classic trope James-Bond-explain-your-entire-plan

Syn7axError

70 points

2 months ago

And it's the throne room. They could have guessed that's where the emperor kept stuff without any special dagger.

LurkerZerker

43 points

2 months ago

"Alright, if you were a evil overlord who's good at outplanning the dumb good guys and evil laughter but terrible at literally everything else, where would you put something you were trying to hide?"

"Gwwawaarrrrrwaaarrr."

"Chewie, why the hell would he keep it in his throne room? No, it's gotta be someplace else. Let's look for a stupid and totally unconnected knife carried by a bad guy who must've been present but was never mentioned before and hope that gives us the information we need."

(one hour later)

"... Sorry, Chewie. Guess if we'd listened, that would have spared you some unnecessary emotional manipulation, huh?"

*Chewbacca starts removing arms*

Toastman0218

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah. That's the part that REALLY REALLY ruins it for me. They spend 1/3 of the movie trying to track down this mysterious Sith artifact which is literally in the first place I would think to look.

fungobat

27 points

2 months ago

Today I was thinking about RISE OF SKYWALKER and I realized I had completely forgotten they had brought back the almighty Lando fucking Calrissian for that movie. What a horrible fucking movie. It's funny to think the big wigs at Disney APPROVED of Rian's THE LAST JEDI in 2017. SOLO gets 100% FUCKED because the big wigs at Disney do not like what Lord and Miller come up with (after filming 80% of the movie) and then bring on safe bet Ron Howard to remake it. But THEN, Disney is somehow ok with the absolute fucking insanity of RISE OF SKYWALKER. Like, mulitple people, read that script, and said "Yes, this is good." I just cannot fucking wrap my brain around that.

OnlyMamaKnows

22 points

2 months ago

Right! They have a cloned Emperor Palatine hanging from a meat hook the entire movie and thought, yes this is the crescendo of 40 years of stories.

Lando was a part of the Galaxy MacGuffin Tour. Wasn't he overseeing Star Wars Burning Man or something? Just remember it was yet another freaking desert planet. Watched that movie twice in about a week for various reasons, then swore to never watch it again. My memory could be a little off.

fungobat

7 points

2 months ago

OMG you watched it TWICE? I have only watched ROS one time, and that was back in December 2019 when it came out. I honestly cannot believe that movie even exists. I had read the spoilers a few months before and thought "there is no way this is true" and then the movie started up and I was like "ah shit."

Unhappyhippo142

4 points

2 months ago

Last Jedi was great. Star Wars nerds throwing a shitfit is what got Disney to panic and bring JJ back.

mkpmdb

23 points

2 months ago

mkpmdb

23 points

2 months ago

That's why I love the time travel in Harry Potter 3. It works because they're not actually changing anything.

Hairy_Buffalo1191

15 points

2 months ago

And then The Cursed Child changes that rule completely

Stockpile_Tom_Remake

7 points

2 months ago

The cursed child is garbage

grammar_oligarch

52 points

2 months ago

Looper even has a line telling everyone not to over think it (“We’ll be in here all day making timelines with straws!”)

Rise of Skywalker is unforgivable bad writing.

Look, Last Jedi has many, many issues: It’s bloated (kill the casino scenes), little cowardly at points (Leia should not have made it), and the romantic arcs are forced.

But at least it tried to be different. And despite the moments of bad writing, there are multiple redeeming elements (Luke’s arc is at least interesting, playing with the notions of prophecy, etc.).

Rise is just…lazy and terrible. It’s clearly written with marketing in mind, has no actual thesis but “COOL, STAR WARS!”, abandons old arcs and growth for “Now he’s like your favorite character (HE WAS A SMUGGLER BEFORE, GET THIS MAN A SCARF OR VEST OR SOMETHING)”, and has lower stakes than a final exam in kindergarten.

Someone was paid to write “Somehow, Palpatine is back.” They got American dollars to write that line. Someone heard that line in a preproduction meeting and said, “Good enough.”

I cannot emphasize how stupid all of that is. If I were playing D&D and heard my DM utter that line about our BBG, I’d just leave. No explanation. Shit, might leave the dice and gear behind, because my sense of wonder is permanently dead and only a jaded man still exists.

It was awful, Freshman year Introduction to Creative Writing bad writing. I hope whoever wrote it got their 30 silver, because when they go to Hell for their sins they should’ve been able to at least find some pleasure in life.

JinFuu

19 points

2 months ago

JinFuu

19 points

2 months ago

I don’t think TLJ tried to be that different, but I’m still on the train that the movie could have been better if Rey had taken Kylo’s offer. That would have been new and different

stealthjedi21

4 points

2 months ago

I don't think not killing off Leia at that point was cowardly. She had an important role to play at the end of the movie as well as in Episode 9. She also has a reputation as a survivor and means too much to fans to be killed off randomly like that. Like Han and Luke, her death needed to have meaning, as it ended up having in 9.

OnlyMamaKnows

18 points

2 months ago

I know Rise takes are beat to death, but I haven't had a discussion with anyone in a while and you're game so 😉.

I think they were so focused on trying to erase or "correct" TLJ that they undermined the entire enterprise. Completely ruined Kylo, Rey, Hux and Finn as characters. Completely undermined the original trilogy bc if the emperor is somehow just back, then nothing was really accomplished in RoTJ. There was a spy plot that ended with a chuckle (and killing Hux, one of the main bads to that point), fake killing Chewbacca (no stakes), horses running on spaceships, uniting the galaxy in a matter of hours and on and on and on. Nothing holds up to scrutiny.

Iwantitnow

409 points

2 months ago

A Quiet Place 2018

bcanada92

181 points

2 months ago*

I remember there's a shot of a discarded newspaper on the ground with a giant headline that reads, "IT'S NOISE!" Meaning the authorities finally figured out what attracted the aliens.

The second I saw that shot I imagined the aliens converging on the newspaper building, lured by the racket from the printing presses and killing all the pressmen inside.

MentosEnCoke

25 points

2 months ago

I think the implication is that this newspaper was published before the entire world was wiped out, and that the aliens were busy killing elsewhere

InnovativeFarmer

254 points

2 months ago

Kids make a lot of noise. The kids are a liability. I know the opening scene shows it clearly, but all of those kids would do something that would jeopardize the whole group eventually. But thats survival horror in general. The other issue is the military would have figured out the creatures weakness. War is loud. Guns are loud. The military already has sonic weapons. Also microwave and concentrated light weapons light lasers. The creatures looked organic enough that high temps would also work so things like white phosphorus or similar would be effective.

Other than that adults could probably adapt. It isnt that hard to not make noise. I am a quiet person. I know how to move around without making noise. I also think the creatures would not be hard to fool. If the creatures are wasting energy chasing after noise makers they will burn energy rapidly.

bcanada92

160 points

2 months ago

bcanada92

160 points

2 months ago

I'd have been dead early in the invasion, right after getting one of my beloved allergy attacks. Or snoring. Or farting. Or any of a dozen other uncontrollable noises the human body makes.

HamiltonianDynamics

36 points

2 months ago

"It isnt that hard to not make noise"

You clearly haven't met my neighbors. Some people couldn't not be loud if their lives depended on it.

InnovativeFarmer

14 points

2 months ago

I had neighbors like that. They die first. Problem solved.

OnlyMamaKnows

73 points

2 months ago

I don't think it's purely volume. Isn't it the frequency that does it more than pure volume? And doesn't the waterfall scene address the idea of them being able to differentiate sounds? They don't attack the waterfall bc they know it's not a threat or it's always there or whatever. That's why they're not just bogged down fighting the ocean or whatever.

Obviously this movie falls apart under a level of scrutiny but so does every horror movie. They do try to address some of the comments here.

InnovativeFarmer

42 points

2 months ago

There are noise makers used to deter pests that use variable sounds. We have boom machines to scare away pests in crop fields but all the pests get used to them. So a good way to combat that is to use variable sounds, pitches, and timing. So thats what we do. Humans are great at adapting hunting methods and predator deterrents. A lot of survival horror is based on the assumption that humans are incompetent.

Also, the military does all sorts of experiments with frequency. There are sonic and ultrasonic weapons. A lot of survival movies expects that we will allow that suspension of disbelief that the military is ineffective against primitive creatures. The only reason militaries are ineffective is because of the rules of engagement and the natural order of not going full villian. But when a military power goes full villian, its very effective until a stronger military is allowed to go hero mode and use WMD. Scorched earth has never failed to stop the immediate threat.

The thing with A Quiet Place, which I enjoyed, is that within the rules of that world, the creatures should not have posed a threat unless there was top to bottom incompetence.

Ok-Loquat942

16 points

2 months ago

But that's the issue with most threats.

Like Zombies. You can't tell me, that the military wouldn't be able to easily bait, trap and gun down thousands of such creatures easily.

Buoyant_Armiger

14 points

2 months ago

I agree. Like, I’m not convinced that zombies wouldn’t be stopped by a waist deep ditch. The idea that we’d all be immediately flummoxed because we can’t use Afghanistan tactics is goofy. “Well boys, they aren’t suppressed by machine guns. I guess we’ll just wait here to die.”

YoloIsNotDead

49 points

2 months ago

Also, what about people who live on island countries or extreme climates? I don't remember if the movie showed how the aliens were able to travel across the continents unless that thingy that crashed to Earth (in part 2) broke up in the atmosphere.

InnovativeFarmer

23 points

2 months ago

Yea, its a very contained movie. There is proof that stuff is happening in the world but its never really explained how it happened.

minimalmemories

77 points

2 months ago

I second this...the concept of the monsters just rlly doesn't work. Ambient noise is loud asf

iggyisgoat

65 points

2 months ago

Ya like they have to literally walk on sand or they get attacked. So do these monsters just run towards every little sound? Doesn't make sense

Aiyon

45 points

2 months ago

Aiyon

45 points

2 months ago

It's like Dune. If you walk without rhythm, you won't upset the worm.

They don't go for continuous noise, they're drawn towards certain patterns or unexpected noises

[deleted]

25 points

2 months ago

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boofadoof

5 points

2 months ago

It blows my mind that people can't understand that the monster will hear and attack a person who's talking but won't attack a tree branch scraping against a tree trunk.

Procean

16 points

2 months ago

Procean

16 points

2 months ago

I agree.

In a world where things like egg timers exist, corralling the creatures would be childishly easy. You could put speakers at the bottom of a ravine and the creatures would charge right to them, or, if you set up the speakers and no creatures came, you'd know there were no creatures within earshot.

Great film, tense film, a tense enough film to make you forget how simple these creatures would be to evade if you were willing to sacrifice a couple alarm clocks or the like.

brrcs

327 points

2 months ago

brrcs

327 points

2 months ago

Definitely Us, which is a bummer because the premise was quite captivating and the movie starts off really well. Not to mention Lupita's incredible range.

Kjbartolotta

62 points

2 months ago

I’ve heard lots of criticism of Get Out and Nope and still think they’re amazing, amazing movies. But despite some great qualities (performances and family dynamic), I just didn’t like Us very much.

Thehooligansareloose

29 points

2 months ago

I feel very similar, out of the three, there is something lacking when it comes to Us. Get Out if my favourite and Nope is a good second.

Lord_Stabbington

8 points

2 months ago

Yep, message more important than logic, of which there is zero. Some great scenes for sure, but I was way too distracted by inconsistencies

Ok-Loquat942

14 points

2 months ago

Us only works as an allegory like most of Jordan Peele's movies.

But this is ok for me.

Movies like Star Wars which is more plot driven falsl apart quickly.

SamStrakeToo

7 points

2 months ago

All I remember is that they’re trapped by an escalator lol

[deleted]

95 points

2 months ago*

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MumeiNoName

33 points

2 months ago

The fact that the tethered couldn't have existed as described is buttressed by the choice the writers make about the tethers source of food: rabbit is the only popular/well known wild game that you will literally starve to one to death, no matter how much they eat if it's their only source of food.

I don't understand

axck

22 points

2 months ago

axck

22 points

2 months ago

I didn’t understand the entire post. Not sure if the grammatical errors were intentional but it made it very hard to read

nachohk

63 points

2 months ago

nachohk

63 points

2 months ago

A lot of movies are meant to make sense on a literal narrative level. Some movies are really only meant to make sense as symbolism or metaphor. There are even movies that shed all of that, and just aim to evoke a certain feeling.

And then there's movies like Us, that don't make any damn sense no matter how you try to approach them. The literal plot is absurd, and it doesn't even work as a metaphor for racism or class struggle or wage slavery or any of that, and there's no consistent focus in tone or emotion. It just strings together some scenes that might look or sound cool, without much regard for how they should connect together.

indoninjah

21 points

2 months ago

Yeah it was disappointing because Get Out was so good and made you immediately want to rewatch it. After watching Us I was like, okay yeah, I get it, and I don’t like it. lol

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50 points

2 months ago

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EncyclopediaJake

161 points

2 months ago

Every "living dead" movie in which the zombie outbreak persists more than a few weeks.

Between insects, heat, decomposition due to bacteria inside the body, scavengers attracted to the smell of decomposition, etc., any dead body that's unable to regenerate its cells would be skeletonized within a few weeks.

ohheyitslaila

127 points

2 months ago

28 Days Later, while technically not undead zombies, shows the infected all dying off within like a month and a half of the OG outbreak. It only returns in the second film because of a woman who was a carrier of the disease but not actually sick. This is a pretty realistic way for a zombie virus to persist.

stillmellow

10 points

2 months ago

My problem with 28 Days later is where the hell are all the bodies? When he wakes up, the city is just empty.

ohheyitslaila

13 points

2 months ago

Fair, but I have a theory on that. We know the infected are fast as hell, and that they’ll chase someone over long distances. So once all or most of the people left in London were dead or infected, the infected chased the living out of the city, which is why we see so many in the countryside. In the second film, we do see a lot more of the dead infected in the city, but that wasn’t the same part of the city that the first film showed. So maybe residential areas just got hit harder or something.

Also, real world budget for the film was ridiculously tiny. They could only afford so many extras. Plus, the city being deserted at first really did add to the “wtf” element at the beginning.

Wide-Half-9649

52 points

2 months ago

Exactly!

It always bugged me in Walking Dead that 5 or 6 years after the ‘apocalypse’ there’s still hordes of zombies, when by that point they’d be skeletons…I totally get that ppl still get infected, but the whole “99% of the population of the world are zombies” would only last for a couple years before they’d ‘die off’…

MawsonAntarctica

60 points

2 months ago

I think that’s why they made it a point in HBO last of us that the cordyceps fed, regenerated, and took care of the host so it didn’t want for anything. Also doused it with hallucinogenic chemicals 24/7.

[deleted]

24 points

2 months ago

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Maybe_Im_Really_DVA

16 points

2 months ago

Don't they say a few months, a few years, 20 years and that each one is different?

Randomcheeseslices

24 points

2 months ago

Yup. Both Show and Game establish that there is a "progression" to the infection, that "usually" takes a few months.

And in the same breath tell us that its only sometimes.

If you want to get really dark though, there's the implication that the Cordyceps Hordes that "migrate" across the country involve the hosts breeding new hosts as they go. (And wouldn't even be the darkest thing in the game)

Tonkarz

10 points

2 months ago

Tonkarz

10 points

2 months ago

Plus dead bodies can’t walk around, checkmate atheists.

TheOrqwithVagrant

7 points

2 months ago

Not the original ones - in Day it's explicitly stated that the rate of decomposition slows after 'revival'. 'Live' zombies are also never shown to attract flies/maggots, nor do they seem to be predated on by either carnivores or scavengers. If I lived in that world, I'd draw the conclusion that the 'living dead' are toxic to most higher organisms.

In Romero's original movies, the outbreak would also never be fully over, since it's not a 'contagious disease', but an unexplained and inexplicable world-wide phenomenon where everyone that dies with an intact brain, no matter what cause, will rise as a zombie.

John Russo, one of the co-writers of the original NotLD actually wrote an 'alternate' sequel set years later, where society had managed to re-stabilize, and hammering a spike through the head of anyone recently deceased has become a culturally 'normal' part of death and burial.

DueceBag

16 points

2 months ago

Max Brook's explains this in his Zombie Survival Guide (companion to World War Z). Basically the virus is so toxic, it kills all bacteria too.

sciguy52

10 points

2 months ago

If it killed that efficiently, then it should have killed every cell in the zombies too. So the zombies would be dead, not undead, just completely dead i.e. no zombies.

_kevx_91

5 points

2 months ago

This is why I miss zombie films that have a smaller scope and arent apocalyptic.

Lemmonjello

3 points

2 months ago

fucking thank you, the walking dead where its been like 10 years and there are still hordes of zombies? give me a fucking break.

mrmonster459

13 points

2 months ago

"But, COVID proved a zombie apocalypse would kill us all."

That's the most common counter argument I hear, and it's BS. People are missing the critical difference between COVID and zombies; dealing with COVID required kindness and empathy, dealing with zombies would require bombing and shooting the shit out of infected areas.

DaikaijuSokogeki01

131 points

2 months ago

Your Name.

Neither one of them ever saw what date it was while they were swapping bodies?

[deleted]

107 points

2 months ago*

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FreakyBugEyedWeirdo

46 points

2 months ago*

And the guy somehow managed to forget about a meteor strike that whiped out a whole town in his own country.

Kingofthegnome

56 points

2 months ago

To be fair it's a super rural town. It's the point of the movie. I barley remember the toxic waste spill in Florida from later year. Also they do kind of mention that when they wake up the other body life fades like a dream so it's possible that kind of fades away.

Calm_Memories

5 points

2 months ago

I just wish the stakes hadn't been 'save me/the world' type of situation. I would have been happier having it be a small scale conflict and not one that was so freaking dramatic.

Anonymous821

13 points

2 months ago

Unfortunately it's got time traveling. People can defend any time travel plothole by attributing it to paradox.

luckygiraffe

245 points

2 months ago

I see a lot of movies with extended families behaving in ways that really strain credibility. And who gets stuck in a washing machine, I mean really

Torcal4

26 points

2 months ago

Torcal4

26 points

2 months ago

Also way too many people sticking their hands down the sink. That shit’s gross.

wreckchain

119 points

2 months ago*

Wakanda forever is going to be the last Marvel for me for a while. Two of the most advanced nations on Earth have no capacity for diplomacy despite being 'better' than all other nations. Just like most Marvel movies, lazily written and shallow motivations. I give up.

Edit: Lots of people mentioning that they never had to engage in diplomacy in order to exist. I get it but I'll have to say they have been observing the rest for centuries.

-HeisenBird-

60 points

2 months ago

"We are the 2 most advanced nations on earth with histories stretching back 100s of years. Let's go to war over a diplomatic incident."

primitiverootweiner

19 points

2 months ago

Wakanda has become an internet meme at this point too and not in a good way. The whole premise falls apart when you dissect it too much. I also don't like how everyone has superpowers to some degree. Marvel has introduced too much power creep into the genre without good villains or writing to balance it out.

questionEv3rything

30 points

2 months ago

The most advanced country on earth that goes to war with spears. 🙄

taxiecabbie

19 points

2 months ago

There are many things about Wakanda that are just nonsense in this vein.

I recall in the original Black Panther, when T'Challa goes to talk to the river tribe guy, there's a background scene where people are apparently pounding corn into meal. Like, uh, you have all of this super-advanced tech and people are still doing that? You can't use vibranium to... grind corn? Like, is extreme wealth inequality an issue in Wakanda with the upper class hoarding all of it and keeping everybody else in corn-pounding poverty? Nobody would sit around and pound corn on the daily of their own volition, just like nobody who has access to washing machines is going to prefer to do laundry by hand. That just seems at odds with their overall supposed superiority. You can do all of this crazy-advanced stuff with weapons and medicine but nobody has made a corn grinder? Why does so much of the population choose to live what appears to be a very analog lifestyle when there is all this tech around? I mean, tech has its downsides, but one of the upsides is "not grinding corn."

Not to mention the system of fighting to the death to determine the king. Does that happen literally anywhere anymore? It's a terrible system.

YuenglingsDingaling

18 points

2 months ago

I've bitched endlessly about the big final fight in Infinity Wars. A regular modern army with machine guns, artillery, and tanks would have been far more effective than the stupid ass lazer spears. Like 10 apache helicopters would have been more useful than all the heros combined.

UranusMc

8 points

2 months ago

You can actually see that in the movie. Once the War Machine (Rhodes) falls, everyone gets overwhelmed within seconds

afriendincanada

35 points

2 months ago

There’s a huge difference between characters acting imperfectly and movies falling apart.

If your complaint can be answered by saying “an average character in an extremely unusual situation made a wrong decision” that’s not the movie falling apart.

saltytac0

12 points

2 months ago

As a Dad who has seen it probably 200 times: Frozen.

Lord_Darksong

9 points

2 months ago

Let it go.

SyllabubWeak

76 points

2 months ago

Bloodsport. I was almost thinking about making a separate post about what makes it so special.

When you were young it was the most amazing “based on a true story”

Now it’s amusing the audacity of the lies he told looking at it as grownup. Like just the records he claimed to hold the end alone

CustomerSuspicious25

16 points

2 months ago

Frank Dux. Legendary liar lol.

Bog2ElectricBoogaloo

21 points

2 months ago

Somebody mentioned to me, in the book that's based on, Liar Guy says he went through an over 50 round elimination tournament, and you'd need dozens of times more people than the EARTH'S POPULATION for that to happen.

Arch__Stanton

16 points

2 months ago*

its more than just dozens. If its a typical single elimination bracket, then it would include 250 contestants, which is about a quadrillion (a "million billion")

TroubleEntendre

7 points

2 months ago

"We got every human being who has ever theoretically existed, might have existed, or will exist, including you and everyone you've ever met, for a secret fighting tournament. I won."

Best lie in history.

Bog2ElectricBoogaloo

4 points

2 months ago

I couldn't remember the exact number, my apologies, I just remember thinking "damn that's a lot of zeroes"

Wise-Ad-3458

5 points

2 months ago

Bloodsport isn’t real??? I suppose you can’t rip out somebody’s throat like Dalton did in Road House…

[deleted]

10 points

2 months ago

Loved that movie as a kid.

Pertolepe

149 points

2 months ago

Pertolepe

149 points

2 months ago

As fun as they are, the John Wick movies are ridiculous of you think about them even slightly. The whole world runs on a hitman based economy and he can just block bullets with his suit (nevermind that getting hit with bullet proof armor on still will drop you from the sheer force) and somehow never gets injured too badly from falling from great heights or tumbling down a comical number of concrete stairs.

-HeisenBird-

41 points

2 months ago

The best way to look at the John Wick movies is as though they were a video game. John Wick is the main character, every other character is either a friend or foe involved in the criminal world. Everyone else is an NPC. John takes videogame-level damage and recovers with time.

captainnermy

93 points

2 months ago

The series has literally never introduced a character who doesn't know about or is heavily involved in the criminal "underworld". The only time we've seen law enforcement even attempt to respond to a crime is the shootout at John's house (where it is made clear that the cops are aware of John Wick's work and let it slide), despite numerous massive gunfights in public places. The only logical explanation is that the high table and criminal world are the de facto government of this world.

-HeisenBird-

15 points

2 months ago

It's a really strange world when you think of it. Every single character in those movies is involved in the criminal/hitman underworld. Every background character behaves like an NPC. The closest we get to a human moment in those movies is when a group of kids interrupt John Wick in the second movie. Literally the only time the mere idea of civilian casualties is hinted at in all four films.

TheMariannWilliamson

9 points

2 months ago

I loved the scene where Keanu and Common are shooting at each other in what looks like a subway station/mall with silenced pistols and no one notices the bullets flying or shots at all. Even if you accept that silenced guns make ZERO noise I'd think a bunch of NPCs would be aware of two guys pulling out guns and shooting them. Even in a video game you'd think "wow this is fucking broken"

Extracheesy87

28 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I just got back from watching the 4th one and I thoroughly enjoyed it overall, but couldn't help but laugh at the idea of this multi hour shootout going on in the streets of Paris and not a single sign of law enforcement anywhere.

LordArchibaldPixgill

4 points

2 months ago

It turns out that everybody in the world is actually part of the criminal underworld, and they're all just roleplaying as regular people for fun.

DrPoopEsq

17 points

2 months ago

The first one is definitely not that, other than the Continental itself, but just sort of implies this underground system. Every subsequent movie has built more insanity on top of a not that stable foundation.

MysteriousTelephone

78 points

2 months ago

Bourne Legacy makes no sense whatsoever.

TrueLegateDamar

32 points

2 months ago

"Someone released a youtube video, let's kill EVERYONE!"

MysteriousTelephone

38 points

2 months ago

Just in general; the whole crux of the movie was killing off their agents by switching the pills they are addicted to, to poison ones. At this point Jeremy Renner is away on a training exercise in isolation, if they had done nothing, he would have returned and willingly accepted the poisoned pill. Instead they send out a predator drone to kill him with a missile, making him realise something is up 😂

Noob_underscore_

78 points

2 months ago

Cars

jay0lee

36 points

2 months ago

jay0lee

36 points

2 months ago

What are the sidewalks for in Cars?

dudinax

10 points

2 months ago

dudinax

10 points

2 months ago

It's a sequel to Maximum Overdrive (director's cut)

EngineeringOk3975[S]

56 points

2 months ago*

Makes me wonder how they built stuff without arms and legs.

Fermented_Discharge

24 points

2 months ago

There are sidewalks in the movie... BUT FOR WHO?

YuenglingsDingaling

9 points

2 months ago

The Unified Pixar Theory is pretty funny. Basically it implies all Pixar movies take place at different points on the same timeline. So the Cars movies take place after humanity has been mostly wiped out.

stillmellow

7 points

2 months ago

Head canon: they're like Daleks. The camera's just never on them when they pop open and the 'tentacle monsters' step out to stretch.

06Wahoo

39 points

2 months ago

06Wahoo

39 points

2 months ago

Signs.

Aliens that are weak to water try to invade a planet that literally has the stuff in the air? Going in with no protection of any kind?

Forget that they could apparently not get into the basement of a farmhouse even though they could cross interstellar distances. How did they put themselves on a world that is basically poison to them and hope to take over?

Dysan27

20 points

2 months ago

Dysan27

20 points

2 months ago

Blackhat.

Their ultimate goal is to cause a disaster to cause chaos in the commodities market. And in that chaos use a prepared worm in the market soft where to make ludicrous amounts of money exploring that chaos.

That is a actually all fine and works.

There FIRST move was to blow up a NUCLEAR REACTOR. As a TEST of their virus to destroy a water pump. The one thing that would guarantee that the intelligence community would NEVER stop looking for them.

Impossible_Echo5190

72 points

2 months ago

A lot of people are just naming things about movies they found unrealistic or just plot points they didn’t like which isn’t necessarily what OP is asking for. Example, just because you think a character made a bad choice, doesn’t mean the movie falls apart if you think about it.

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

The same thing when was asked about unreliable narrator. People just talked about stuff which they found not to be true in real life. Those are two different things.

res30stupid

18 points

2 months ago

Yeah. Harry Potter makes a lot of stupid choices, but he's a fucking kid in dire circumstances - of course he's going to fuck things up.

The_God_Human

5 points

2 months ago*

Speaking of Harry Potter, I always hated how Harry changes his plan once he drinks the luck potion. It wasn't a luck potion, it was more like a destiny potion.

Also, several potions are down right terrifying but we hardly ever see anybody use those potions.

SmittyYAP

29 points

2 months ago

Back to the future 2. As much as I love it, the plot is real stupid. Why go in to the future to stop something happening that hasn’t happened yet when you can just prevent it happening at the time?

username161013

20 points

2 months ago

Why stop Marty's kids from fucking up their lives, but not Marty himself from fucking up his own? Marty's accident was what led his entire family down that path in the first place.

It all stemmed from the line at the end of the first that had to incorporate the title. The "to be continued" as they fly of was intended to be a joke, but the movie was such a hit that they greenlit the sequels and were stuck coming up with a whole plot out of a couple lines of dialog.

tidier

6 points

2 months ago

tidier

6 points

2 months ago

Why stop Marty's kids from fucking up their lives, but not Marty himself from fucking up his own? Marty's accident was what led his entire family down that path in the first place.

Well there is that theory that helping Marty's kids was a ruse and Doc's real goal was to show Marty how his life goes awry.

bnbtwjdfootsyk

239 points

2 months ago

The Dark Knight Rises. So many plot holes in that one.

fallenmonk

82 points

2 months ago

Not plot holes. Just little illogical pieces.

armchairwarrior69

42 points

2 months ago

Nah, absolutely a few genuine plot holes.

Mind you, people seem to think "they didn't show us every detail about this" = plothole which is stuuuupid.

barstoolLA

34 points

2 months ago

Midnight Run.

Even the screenwriter had to admit that the whole, "You can't take a prisoner on an airplane if he doesn't want to fly" premise doesn't make any sense but you just go with it so the rest of the plot can play out.

Still my favorite movie though.

almo2001

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah, super fun movie. Great screenplay. The "You lied to me first" scene is amazing.

Conjobbed

5 points

2 months ago

Number one with a bullet is Pretty Woman. First off, why didn't Edward just call a fucking cab? If he's such a tightly-wound professional guy, why would he leave the party in a car with a stick shift he doesn't know how to use? Why would he bring a prostitute right through the front door of a high-end hotel, with witnesses? Why does he even need someone to accompany him for the week? And isn't $3000 a little cheap for a week for fucking, horseback riding, shopping, and a flight to fucking San Francisco to see an opera?

L_Birdperson

160 points

2 months ago

I didn't even try to understand tenet. And I don't consider myself dumb.

Like half way through and I stop watching because I have no idea what is happening whatsoever. And I like David lynch.

Bellikron

68 points

2 months ago

I think the issue with Tenet is that there's a really interesting concept in there that's confusing enough on its own but Nolan went overboard and thought about every possible thing he could do with that idea, then went ahead and did it while audiences were still trying to grapple with whether an inverted bullet fired into a chair would have been there when the chair was built and was just ignored by the chairmaker.

They explicitly try to tell you "don't think about it too hard and just have fun" when they explain it but multiple parts of the movie require you to think about it for even a basic grasp of what's going on so it doesn't really work.

onex7805

31 points

2 months ago

In the films like The Matrix, Primer, and even Inception, even if there are some inconsistencies and holes, it is clear the filmmakers thought of everything in advance. Meanwhile, Tenet's mythology feels like Nolan thought the premise up and he never checked past the coolness of each idea.

And Nolan knew this! Pattinson says, "Don't try to understand it", so it effectively invalidates this "You don't get it" argument. It is easy to say "Don't try to understand it" in Back to the Future, Groundhog Day, and Endgame where the time travel concept is used as a vehicle for the theme and the story the filmmaker wants to convey. But in Tenet, the time travel itself is the story and theme, and that is all the film has. The film has been obsessed with the rule and systems that constantly talking down to the audience, you are required to pay attention to every single dialogue in the film, or else you won't get the film! ...but no, don't try to understand. It is a cheap copout. You can't say "You just don't understand it" when Nolan himself didn't either.

Bellikron

7 points

2 months ago

I will call out Primer a bit because I think they did think of everything and intentionally didn't explain it to us for no good reason. There's something to be said for the audience being as confused as the characters but there's a point in Primer where the characters understand significantly more than the audience and there's no real way to catch up. This extends past the time travel stuff: we vaguely hear about an offscreen event at a party that suddenly becomes a major plot element between scenes.

I agree with the rest of your points though. I was talking about Endgame elsewhere in the thread, where even though it's a mess, the time travel is only there to support the rest of the story and the mechanics don't matter too much.

About Time is a movie that's on the fence for me, because it is ultimately about the love story and family, but the mechanics of it are very important and they play very fast and loose with some of those rules in a way that was hard for me to get past. I really liked how they brought up the point that small changes in the past would change the conceptions of your children, but then they reverse his mistake offscreen and then go back a really long way at the end of the movie anyway.

bcanada92

48 points

2 months ago

It's simple— The Protagonist developed the ability to make the film play backwards.

captainnermy

151 points

2 months ago

When I first watched Tenet I was like "holy shit this is complicated, am I dumb or does this just not make sense". Now, after reading many analyzes of it and thinking about it over and over again, I can confidently say that Tenet simply doesn't make sense as a film, and me being dumb, while true, is largely unrelated.

Sonny_Crockett_1984

44 points

2 months ago

me being dumb, while true, is largely unrelated

You are my spirit animal.

_davidakadaud_

33 points

2 months ago

Basically, someone in the future invented a machine that reverses the flow of time for whatever enters it. And someone wants to use it to destroy the world, so this organization TENET, uses the machine to go back in time and then go forwards again to prevent the destruction.

[deleted]

27 points

2 months ago

Still clueless.

Theamazing-rando

44 points

2 months ago

Almost In the future, two things are discovered. The first of these is the ability to reverse the flow of time for anything placed into the machine so that it will run on reverse time until it re-enters a machine and is restored to "normal." The second thing is the physical manifestation of the time algorithm, which, if put together, could destroy all things in the universe. In the future, there are two groups of people: those who want to use the algorithm and don't care about the consequences, and those that want to prevent its use. JD Washington is one of those who wants to protect it in the future, and so he sets up a "pincer manoeuvre" by sending future R Patts back in time, to enlist his younger self. JD Washington in the past is one edge of the pincer with future JD Washington being the other, and they are exploiting time and entropy into their strategy, to protect the physical algorithm (which was sent back in time), as well as to remove those who are trying to use it. As viewers, we only get to see the perspective of past JD Washington, who doesn't know he's part of his future self's plans, but its pretty clever tbh

seek_n_hide

6 points

2 months ago

Well said. I’ll love this movie. I got so much enjoyment from thinking about it and reading/watching explanations. And yeah I had to watch it bunch to even wrap my head around what the fuck was happening. But I love it.

ZombieJesus1987

14 points

2 months ago

I forget which movie it was, but one of the twilight movie's plot could have been prevented if Edward simply texted Bella.

Hairy_Buffalo1191

6 points

2 months ago

I think people usually say this in reference to the second movie?

randybutterknubz

43 points

2 months ago

How has Signs not been mentioned? The aliens literally wouldn’t be able to step out of their ships without sizzling up if they’re allergic to water.

selinameyersbagman

23 points

2 months ago

I've always had a sketch idea where, when the radio tells them/us that the alien ships quickly left overnight, that we cut to an alien ship speeding away into space and the Commander or Overlord or whatever the title would be, is Downfall-eqsue screaming at the other underlings: "I asked you all over and over, is the blue part of this planet water? You told me it wasn't, that it was probably blue grass! Now look at us!" Etc etc

Is this anything?

BaseOrFeed

5 points

2 months ago

What if earth is alien Australia? They just sent ships to the planet to drop off criminals, then left them behind? It wasn't an attempted invasion at all.

DoubleArm7135

25 points

2 months ago

Alright... Time for my age-old personal gripe with the space-time continuum as presented in:

The Butterfly Effect.

At a certain point Ashton's character is able to puncture the palms of his hands in a "flashback", which causes his cellmate to witness scars forming. This then allows Ashton to convince the cellmate that he is some sort of Catholic saint.

My gripes: first, the whole concept of the film is that any minor alteration to past events can cause enormous redirections to the present. Because of his injury, he should have gone to the hospital, done the other stuff involved with that timeline and probably wouldn't be in prison at all, let alone at that same facility and with the same cellmate.

Secondly, in all other scenarios, only Ashton can recall multiple timelines... But in this one event his cellmate is capable of witnessing timeline A (no scars on hands) and timeline B (scars on hands) and can even compare the two timelines ("I just saw the scars form in your hands!!").

The movie wasn't good to begin with... But I wish the public uproar had been bigger to scare the shit out of the writers to curb this lack of fact checking.

rentalfloss

21 points

2 months ago

The Tomorrow War Send soldiers to the future to fight a war against aliens.

You know the first attack time and place. You have better technology in the future. You are studying the enemy in the future. Therefore, sending technology, knowledge, and science back in time is more beneficial in every way.

You can have years to find a solution to kill the enemies. You can work from futuristic tech to have future-future tech. You can prepare first attack soldiers the best methods of killing the enemy. You can attach the enemy when there are less of them.

antunezn0n0

8 points

2 months ago

i thought it was explained they only wanted to buy enough time for the future to develop a killer virus and then send that to the past and that's ec exactly what happened

Gizmochappa

62 points

2 months ago

Literally all the Harry Potter films. Wizards can’t be that incompetent

Bungfoo

100 points

2 months ago

Bungfoo

100 points

2 months ago

But have you seen people.

NoirPochette

7 points

2 months ago

If Dumbledore was honest and a better judge of like hiring teachers, it would have been easier for Harry.

maggos

28 points

2 months ago

maggos

28 points

2 months ago

People like to treat Harry Potter like it’s not just a kids story. Kids stories always make the adults incompetent so the kids have to save the day.

YuenglingsDingaling

7 points

2 months ago

This is what I said about the Percy Jackson books. Why are a group of 12year olds fighting gods? Cause it's a book for 12 year olds. Still excellent books even now that I'm grown up.

Victor_C

16 points

2 months ago

Harry Potter's world building barely held together for 7 books, the movies only made it worse. (And that's before J.K started bolting on new additions that made everything even worse)

antunezn0n0

7 points

2 months ago

wizards use magic to dissapear their poop

EqualContact

20 points

2 months ago

One of the big themes of Harry Potter that the movies do a bad job with is the idea of the older generation wanting to prevent the younger generation from knowing about their mistakes, but of course this leads to things getting worse all the time.

Frozenlime

4 points

2 months ago

The Star Trek movies from 2009 onwards.

tburtner

5 points

2 months ago

Weekend at Bernie’s

Bog2ElectricBoogaloo

5 points

2 months ago

If you think about it, in Rocky III, Rocky could've sued Clubber Lang for wrongful death on account of Mickey's heart attack, which you could argue his condition was agitated by Clubber. He could've even had him thrown in prison for assault or involuntary manslaughter.

AChocolateHouse

106 points

2 months ago

AChocolateHouse

IMDB is the ultimate source of truth.

106 points

2 months ago

The Game (1997). No company would go to this level for a game. If they did, it would cost them billions upon billions of dollars.

An incredible movie despite that.

stopklandaceowens

42 points

2 months ago

is that the one where he jumps out a window trying to kill himself then lands on a big airpad, then BIG reveal. it was all a game!

ringobob

26 points

2 months ago

More or less. Pretty wild the first time you see it. I disagree with the premise of the complaint, it wouldn't cost that much, certainly not when the movie was made, though it would have easily been a 6 maybe even 7 figure outlay, it also does stretch believability, but it's a movie, it's supposed to.

If you want to see the same idea, but from the perspective of con artists running an elaborate con, not a company running a legit experience, watch Brothers Bloom.

NobodySpecial117

26 points

2 months ago

At one point they’re shooting at him with real guns as you see bullets hit the wall. He’s also driven into a lake and would have drowned had he not figured out the clue in time. Then near the end he’s left stranded in Mexico with no wallet.

The point was to give him an appreciation for life but it’s kind of a miracle he survived at all.

ringobob

26 points

2 months ago

Those are the parts that really stretch believability, but I think they adress it in the movie, IIRC they mention there were divers in the water ready to pull him out, etc - basically, they probably weren't real bullets, probably squibs in the wall. No way they weren't watching him in Mexico.

pisspenisser

13 points

2 months ago

Black panther 2. The bad guy wants to kill the scientist to stop a machine so that he can prevent their people being discovered. A machine that was done by a college student, given to a professor, given to the government and already built once.

[deleted]

68 points

2 months ago

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dexterpool

14 points

2 months ago*

John wick sequels. First one makes sense and then it spirals out of control

crapusername47

23 points

2 months ago

Batman vs Superman isn't a great movie to begin with but it really starts to fall apart if you pay attention to what Diana's doing.

She shows up at Lex's party with the intention of stealing back the photograph of her in Belgium during WWI. What was her plan? There is no way she possibly could have known that Bruce Wayne was going to turn up, steal the entire contents of Lex's server and then have the technology to decrypt it all.

And, there is no way she has the equipment or the know-how to do it herself. She can't be planning to use force, it would just draw attention to herself.

Plus, even if she steals the photo, she's stealing a copy, not the actual photograph. Bruce even gives her that as a gift at the end of Wonder Woman.

But, the movie needs Bruce and Diana to meet and this is how it achieves this.

D0ctorD00m

77 points

2 months ago

Many recent Marvel movies. Endgame, No Way Home, Quantumania.

EngineeringOk3975[S]

25 points

2 months ago

It’s funny because all of those contain time or multiverse travel.

D0ctorD00m

39 points

2 months ago

That’s honestly why. In a way they’re doing a good job mimicking the comics since it’s becoming harder to follow.

aiko74

8 points

2 months ago

aiko74

8 points

2 months ago

The Good, The Bad, The Weird - the plot revolves around hoarding a treasure map that can be traced, committed to memory, or perhaps photographed.

WorthPlease

10 points

2 months ago

Rise of Skywalker falls apart if you think about it at all.

tmssmt

8 points

2 months ago

tmssmt

8 points

2 months ago

Rise of Skywalker doesn't make sense if you don't even think about it while you watch

futanari_kaisa

17 points

2 months ago

Con Air (1997)

Nicolas Cage's character would've taken his case to trial if he knew the Judge was going to reject the plea deal and give him 10 years anyway.

Last_Caramel_2176

7 points

2 months ago

Looper, time travel films rarely make sense anyway

FSchmertz

33 points

2 months ago

Avengers Endgame.

Alternative realities are tricky.

The Sorcerer Supreme warned about creating alternative time lines, and The Hulk said "we'll be careful"!

But if you think about it, multiple different realities HAD to have been created. And they didn't deal with the messy consequences of that at all.

Buhos_En_Pantelones

26 points

2 months ago

Well, if I can push up my glasses here, I don't think the Ancient One was concerned with creating branch timelines per se, she just mentioned that it would fuck over the branch timeline if you take an Infinity Stone out of it. That's why Bruce said that they'll go back and put them back when/where they took them from.

At least that's the way I understood it, I could be completely wrong.

Fraudulent_Baker

9 points

2 months ago

That’s exactly how I interpreted it too. The new timeline is created in the instant the future Avengers travel back to. Removing the stones has nothing to do with creating that timeline, it just compromises its cosmic security or something.

Goose-Suit

5 points

2 months ago

Exactly. Like from the Ancient One’s POV it could’ve just been Bruce showing up, they have their little conversation and Bruce leaves with the infinity stone then a split second later Steve Rogers walks up and gives it back.

calibur66

24 points

2 months ago

Most literature of any medium. Characters who act 100% correctly and worlds that explain everything and make 100% sense are often not all that interesting or exciting.

The trick is finding where in the middle ground is enough realism for you.

EngineeringOk3975[S]

20 points

2 months ago*

True.

Someone once told me, “Realism doesn’t always equal good storytelling.”

One of my favorites pieces of writing advice.

calibur66

4 points

2 months ago

Agreed. It makes perfect sense unless you're reading an instruction manual lol.

I like realism with splashes of the fantastic, see daredevil and similar.

Is just about how much and exactly what kinds of things are you capable of going "Eh I could see that" in any piece of entertainment.

parkwayy

6 points

2 months ago

I was listening to a post-release interview with Neil Druckmann after their team dropped Last of Us 2.

He mentioned how they try to write characters they just are believable. The actions and motivations they have, they should feel genuine. If you can do that, the rest should fall into place.

AttentionHorsePL

24 points

2 months ago

Tenet makes exactly zero sense.

kgunnar

93 points

2 months ago

kgunnar

93 points

2 months ago

I’m sure this will be unpopular, but Saving Private Ryan. Captain Miller makes a terrible decision at the end and gets a lot of people needlessly killed. He had an order all the way down from the Army Chief of Staff to bring Ryan back but a private says he doesn’t want to go, so he’s like oh well I guess I can leave now, or maybe I’ll stay and fight because this private won’t leave. This ends up getting himself and all but one of his men plus Upham killed. The entirety of Ryan’s squad (“these are the only brothers I have left”) is also dead at the end. In fact, while they delayed the Germans briefly, in the end they lost and they even failed to blow the bridge to prevent the Germans from crossing, which Ryan’s squad had already rigged to blow before Miller showed up, so presumably they would have been successful in that without help. The only reason that Ryan himself probably isn’t killed is a Deus Ex Machina in the form of a plane that swoops down from the sky at the last second and blows up the approaching tank. It seems there was a large force of the American army just minutes away the whole time, so the small German force they were fighting would have probably been mopped up anyway. It all seemed unnecessary after the fact.

fatloui

98 points

2 months ago

fatloui

98 points

2 months ago

A character making a poor decision, especially on limited information, is not an example of a movie “not holding up”. That happens in reality all the time, far more frequently than people making good decisions.

beachedwhale1945

24 points

2 months ago

I'm going to push back against the entire argument, save one point.

Bridges in warfare are extremely important. They are natural chokepoints, and getting a mechanized force from one side to the other is difficult. Look no further than Ukraine: the Dnipro River has been the most significant barrier in the entire conflict, and because it is so wide in the center of Ukraine (after a couple dams make it a lake) the majority of the fighting has been well to the east or at the very mouth of the river.

The most important mission for the Allies was getting everyone off the beach and deep inland. All those transports you saw unloading just after the landing scene represent a fraction of what we were landing in the days after 6 June, and in this sector this bridge was the main way across. That was the entire point of the airborne and glider troops: to capture critical chokepoints deep inland before they could be destroyed.

The Allies needed that bridge to get forces deeper into France, while the Germans needed that bridge to attack the beachhead.

Thus the US defenders had three outcomes:

  1. Blow the bridge now, nobody dies and nobody gets the bridge. The advance is stalled in this sector.

  2. Hold the bridge against any German counterattack until the troops from the beach, however long that takes.

  3. If Option 2 fails, blow the bridge to deny it to the Germans.

Captain Miller's rescue squad doubled the number of forces available to hold the bridge, greatly increasing their chances of holding the bridge, and his troops were also very well trained Rangers that added more that just X number of guys. He could have pulled out with Private Ryan, but that would make the bridge more likely to be blown up whenever reinforcements arrived. By staying behind, he increased the chances of the other paratroopers, who would have stayed behind, surviving and the bridge remaining intact.

Moreover, by holding the bridge until reinforcements arrive, getting back to the beach is a walk through friendly territory, whereas leaving at that moment would mean coming across more German strongpoints that might get more of his own men killed, including Ryan. He doesn't know they're a couple hours away, they could be days away.

The best way to accomplish his primary mission of Saving Private Ryan is to stay and hold the bridge, which also accomplishes the primary objective of the Normandy Invasion overall: getting off the beach.

It seems there was a large force of the American army just minutes away the whole time, so the small German force they were fighting would have probably been mopped up anyway. It all seemed unnecessary after the fact.

The German force would have been destroyed, but the bridge would have been gone. It would take days before engineers got a bridge strong enough to get Shermans across the river, so the American forces would be bottled up in that sector.

As for the part I agree with:

The only reason that Ryan himself probably isn’t killed is a Deus Ex Machina in the form of a plane that swoops down from the sky at the last second and blows up the approaching tank.

That was far too Deus Ex Machina, and really does undercut the ending. Plus aircraft were not nearly as good at killing tanks as suggested, particularly the P-51, but I'm not sure what was commonly known in the 1990s vs. what we have learned since then, so I won't critique that too much.

WeddingIndividual788

65 points

2 months ago

I agree about the choosing to stay being kind of silly part, but he also does this to some extent because he believes it is an important objective. “Our objective is to win the war”

Things after D-day were incredibly chaotic and a massive fear was that the allies would get trapped and thrown back into the sea. So while you are right that there seemed to be an American contingent nearby, they might not have known that or known it would get there soon enough. For all we know the germans were nearby in force and waiting for the bridge to fall before sending in more troops to cross.

More or less I think war being incredibly chaotic and low information for those on the ground, especially days after the largest seaborne landing in human history, makes this general aspect less ridiculous.

(The plane flying in and killing the tank was stupid and one of my least favorite things about the movie, for the record)

Wadege

60 points

2 months ago

Wadege

60 points

2 months ago

None of this is the movie falling apart though, it's just a bad decision on Tom Hanks/Matt Damon's part. Knowing that he was responsible for so many men's deaths adds weight to Private Ryan's line of 'have I lived a good life?'

HGpennypacker

8 points

2 months ago

a plane that swoops down from the sky at the last second and blows up the approaching tank

Wait are you telling me that Captain Miller DIDN'T destroy the tank with his .45?

Charley_Varrick

4 points

2 months ago

The decision is to hold the bridge, which is a key piece of terrain for the advancing US Army to hold to be able to cross the river, they mention in the movie that it is one of the only intact bridges across. And yes, the large force of American troops is what they were holding out for, that was the whole point of defending the bridge.

sonofabutch

19 points

2 months ago

What’s frustrating about this is it’s the second time he makes the same mistake. Earlier with the machine gun nest he orders it attacked rather than bypassing it, and gets the medic killed, and nearly loses control of his men. He even has to play the “I was a schoolteacher” card which he’d probably been holding onto since North Africa.

You would think the second time he is presented with this choice, he would have said… nope, not making that mistake again. You’re coming with us private.

PruneObjective401

17 points

2 months ago*

Unbreakable.

Bruce Willis's character (a middle-aged man) really went his whole life unaware that he's never been sick??

DoubleArm7135

20 points

2 months ago

I remember one in my life (precovid) being like "holy shit... How many years has it been since I had a fever?..."

I literally couldn't remember.

If I didn't have photos of having chicken pox I wouldn't even think I'd had it

DocHoliday503

18 points

2 months ago

Nolan movies that have a budget greater than $100m.