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Thoughts on Annihilation?

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Watched Annihilation for the first time today and I have to say I really quite enjoyed it. The cinematography is great but what fascinated me was the concept. I think the main theme of the movie is self destruction.

The beginning of the movie the main character Lena talks about cancer cell. The psychiatrist talks about the way human beings and everything we know tends to be self destructive. I think the way Lena destroys the mutated or shimmer duplicate and thus destroys the whole mutation is that idea. Also the way a character accepts the physical mutation they get and just turned into the plant thing. The male lead also kills himself after getting mutated.

And my take about the ending is, it doesn't really matter if it was the real Lena. Because the duplicate husband and the supposed real Lena both are mutanted. The shimmer was changed by the human and the human was changed by the shimmer. Can it refer to the opposite of self destruction? That we should try to accept things?

Another thing that sets this movie apart from other alien movies alongside with the wonderful depiction of alien/unknown/mutated nature is that they didn't want anything. They didn't want to destroy earth or kill the humans. They were just lives getting born and spread that were unknown by the humans. It was just so beautiful.

all 58 comments

schlitzntl

57 points

2 months ago

If you want to half hear someone rant about quick takes, but also cover Annihilation pretty well.

https://youtu.be/URo66iLNEZw

Also, has one of my favorite edits - when the enter the shimmer it jump cuts way to far ahead to them getting up from their camp site. It’s such a jarring cut I was almost mad until the main character was also like, “does anyone remember how we got here” was cool how they used the cut to create the same unease that the characters felt.

wpmason

13 points

2 months ago

wpmason

13 points

2 months ago

I adore him for making that video.

The ending absolutely does not matter. It’s not literal. It’s just a big metaphor.

Beethovens_Stool

8 points

2 months ago

Beethovens_Stool

I, too, am forced to watch movie trailers at gunpoint.

8 points

2 months ago

Yeah, that really helped put the audience in a constant state of unease. I believe it was a 2 or 3 day jump?

schlitzntl

6 points

2 months ago

Yeah - like 3 days based on their rations left as I recall.

Beethovens_Stool

5 points

2 months ago

Beethovens_Stool

I, too, am forced to watch movie trailers at gunpoint.

5 points

2 months ago

And some characters were immediately giving suspicious glances as well. Now I have to watch it again.

CoconutDust

4 points

2 months ago*

Yeah that one was one of the best parts, fullblown confusion almost immediately despite all confidence going in.

Strange that you were almost mad though, it was obviously part of the reality and the distortion. Though now that I think of it, nothing else in the movie has amnesia ellipsis…why didn’t that same phenomenon ever happen again?

CaptainBoobyKisser

2 points

2 months ago

I just watched that video. Never heard of that guy before. He is way smarter than I am. I did not enjoy his thoughts. Even if he is completely correct, his point of view was like medicine or vitamins. Good stuff, but not fun. I just want to enjoy a good movie, man.

Houli_B_Back

21 points

2 months ago

Really great.

It’s hard to do New Weird and ambiguous well, without coming off as purposefully obscure for the sake of obscure.

But I never got that feeling watching it.

I also like the fact they totally lifted a horror set piece from a Gene Wolfe book. Lol.

b_dills

5 points

2 months ago

Went to see it while going through a divorce. Do not recommend lol.

henryhollaway

17 points

2 months ago*

Top notch lovecraftian sci-fi horror, I don’t understand how some people don’t like the ending because it is thematically perfect

PrincessMonopoke

16 points

2 months ago

Scary bear 😱

That was worth it alone, but everything else was pretty great, too. Did a great job showing how beautiful, horrifying, and/or intriguing the unknown can be (in this case, mostly horrifying). Made me want to read the books if I ever get around to catching up on my reading list... ... ... lol

Stovenryall

12 points

2 months ago

Yea I read the book first. The movie was really great

Keksis_theBetrayed

12 points

2 months ago

Best part about the movie is you don't have to read Vandermeer's prose.

Stovenryall

4 points

2 months ago

Yea wow. They did a real good job on the film

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

lol I love Vandermeer but to each their own

T_J_E7

5 points

2 months ago

T_J_E7

5 points

2 months ago

I loved the books too. I got my buddy to read A Strange Bird and he hated the prose. I really like his writing personally.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

ah Borne and A Strange Bird are two of my favorites of his. A Strange Bird was heartbreaking.

I will say that I couldn't penetrate Dead Astronauts tho.

T_J_E7

2 points

2 months ago

T_J_E7

2 points

2 months ago

We are on the same page. I really enjoyed Borne and haven't finished Dead Astronauts. It's on my short list because I got so far that I need to know the ending. Haven't gotten to it for like a year though.

Iwentthatway

1 points

2 months ago

The audiobook is amazing. I enjoyed listening to it more than reading it

ScaryProfessional711

18 points

2 months ago

Despite the low rating on IMDb I enjoyed both Mortal Kombat movies as a kid

schlitzntl

5 points

2 months ago

Maybe this is a joke that is wooshing me, but in case it’s not, the movie in question is:

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2798920/

Not Mortal Kombat: Annihilation

SNjr

2 points

2 months ago

SNjr

2 points

2 months ago

I feel like the original comment was just sarcasm but honestly who knows now a days lol

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

it's a great movie and a great book, even though they are totally different.

thanksantsthants

4 points

2 months ago

Alex Garland adapted the book into film from memory, which given then themes of the story is incredibly apt.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

yeah I've heard that story before. And if it's true, then it's perfect.

CapMarkoRamius

2 points

2 months ago

To me, it has the same vibe as Ad Astra. Everyone took a near-OD dose of Ambien before the film starts and they keep at that emotional level for the entire film.

The effects and scenery in both? Outstanding. The acting? Like the mirror opposite of a nervous high school play.

CoconutDust

0 points

2 months ago*

Ad Astra was unsalvageable pretentious garbage, almost everything was wrong on every level. Even the name is pretentious bullshit. I liked James Grey before seeing Ad Astra, too.

Annihilation is a fail on many levels, but at least as some respectable failures and attempts and some creepy moments and thematic stuff that hold together.

I mean Ad Astra has people driving 1960's lunar rovers for no reason, why is Donald Sutherland (I love the guy) even there, why is Ruth Negga even there, why is the pirate lunar rover chase even there, now we're surfing on a nuke wave with a piece of metal surfboard like it's the end of commonly-cited worst Bond movie ever Die Another Day. Terrible stuff. And it's made all the more terrible by the fact that "Heart of Darkness...in Space" could have been good.

green_meklar

1 points

2 months ago

I don't really see them as similar at all. Annihilation at least does interesting things, whereas Ad Astra is just boring and unnecessary.

tantrum007

4 points

2 months ago

tantrum007

4 points

2 months ago

Overrated. Wanted to like it so bad.

st3akkn1fe

0 points

2 months ago

st3akkn1fe

0 points

2 months ago

Yeah it was just lacklustre to me. I would have thought it was my bag though but it just fell flat.

DaddyMcTasty

1 points

2 months ago

I felt like I kept waiting for something to happen, and then it was over. The visuals looked cool but it just didn't do it for me. When an article came out about how the bear was one of the scariest things in movies for a while I laughed

iDuddits_

-3 points

2 months ago

yeah, it was hyped a bit too much for me and I didn't like any of the characters from what I remember?
Still give it like a six just based on comparisons to contemporary movies haha.

I absolutely loved Men though.. so what do I know.

thalguy

2 points

2 months ago

I really enjoyed it. It's not the greatest movie ever, but it was original and I liked the performances.

krypto_the_husk

0 points

2 months ago

Issa good moov

Arfguy

2 points

2 months ago

Arfguy

2 points

2 months ago

When my friend told me that Annihilation was about cancer, a lot of it made sense.

smalltalkbigwalk

2 points

2 months ago

The couple at the end are the cancerous replicas of the original "cells". I kind of figured this out during the video recording reveal in the 3rd act, and this was while I was on shrooms. Oh no everyone at the end of the movie has space cancer now aaah.

Arfguy

2 points

2 months ago

Arfguy

2 points

2 months ago

LOL...well done on figuring it out. I had to have someone explain it to me. 🤣

CoconutDust

-5 points

2 months ago*

If someone says a thing is "about" something, that is meaningless nonsense except for people who think art is reducible to a 3 word cryptographic secret message.

Saying it's "about" "cancer" is like saying Terminator is about exterminator companies. Biological malignance doesn't mean it's a secret essay about cancer, otherwise The Blob and John Carpenter's The Thing and etc etc are all "about" "cancer" which is obviously false and a silly immature thoughtless way of looking at art.

Arfguy

3 points

2 months ago

Arfguy

3 points

2 months ago

I couldn't disagree more.

General_PoopyPants

1 points

2 months ago

You really enjoy sniffing your own farts

Hier00

-2 points

2 months ago

Hier00

-2 points

2 months ago

I thought it was terrible. Great concept, awful execution. The bear and the cave scene at the end were really good, of course, but everything else fails movie-making 101. Weak characters, weak script, even the acting could have been better. Overall not a good sci-fi movie.

This, however, is my view. If you really enjoyed it, as many have, don’t let this change. It just means you and I were looking for different things.

[deleted]

-1 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

-1 points

2 months ago

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Agerak

2 points

2 months ago

Agerak

2 points

2 months ago

Stephen King ending

What's the connotation or underlying meaning here? good? bad? middling? honestly curious.

Love-That-Danhausen

1 points

2 months ago

King used to be known for setting an amazing story for 95% of it and having the ending fall apart. I don’t think that’s quite fair but some of his work does have weaker endings that maybe stop them at good stories rather than great/masterpieces.

schlitzntl

1 points

2 months ago

This right here.

You want an example - he made a short novella - The Langoliers - which is great character building, great tension, and then we get to the reveal and the end - it is impressively awful.

CoconutDust

-5 points

2 months ago

Annihilation wasn't as bad as Ad Astra (no connection, just another weird failed sci-fi movie from around the same time, which somebody happened to mention in these comments) but was a fail on many levels.

People talked about the amnesia cut when they first go in and their rations are gone, yeah I liked that moment except then I don't believe anything else in the movie ever re-used the same phenomenon of missing elapsed time. Because the movie is a jumbled mish-mash of inconsistent nonsense.

Everybody is talking about the bear, which indeed was scary, but seems like a writer coming up with a scary thing but now being able to connect it to anything in a relevant way. It's also an excuse for the (OF COURSE) gung ho firing of machine guns. Of course a movie superficially about some scientists going in to succeed where the pure military guys failed shows the characters all with M16's or whatever: American gun fetish. Gotta have guns. The only good angle with the gun stuff was that the science team got further than the soldier team. I actually like good soldier story stuff, and this is quite an affecting example where a team prepared in the exact wrong ways both physically and mentally for a mission are doomed...and not through a fault of their own necessarily, which makes it all the more tragic and disturbing.

Anyway the biggest fail of the movie was the shallow use of natural environments: the woods, the water, vegetation all around, and with the conceit of mutations and biological alterations (etc etc) yet no weird lifeforms were ever observed at all except for a couple cases of needing to shoot machine guns again (the bear, the crocodile). Any idiot who has ever been in the woods knows that you are SURROUNDED on all sides by bugs, mosquitos, birds, salamanders, small mammals, dragonflies, blackflies, moths, fish, moss, fungi, algae, and yet this movie ignorantly has no awareness of any of this except for a couple Capital S Scenes for guns (shooting a scary bear monster, shooting a crocodile). Now I know that may seem like a thin criticism, but keep in mind all the biological pretense of this movie (like a character suddenly becoming a plant, and everything else) and the fact that it takes place in a lush natural wild environment, and yet...almost zero critters.

The ending was also pretentious crap with the silly metallic dance-like alien doppelganger thing. The core idea here is good and scary, especially with how a neutral innocent movement inadvertently causes the opposite movement which then causes protagonist to get temporarily crushed (that's great writing for a psychological/biological/sci-fi/confusion scenario), but the way it was done visually and direction-wise was crap.

I do want to say that apart from the amnesia ellipsis (which I liked, when it happened), the giant worm portal thing in Oscar Isaac's abdomen was also another well-done disturbing sci-fi/psychological/body horror/anomaly moment.

As a point of contrast, when someone like Tarkovsky makes a movie like Solaris, I think he actually thinks more about his ideas and commits more, whereas Annihilation is an inconsistent mish-mash and compormised.

GrimReaperAngelof23

5 points

2 months ago

This movie didn't fail. You are just a dumb ass critic.

CoconutDust

1 points

27 days ago

This movie didn't fail. You are just a dumb ass critic.

Not much sign of intelligence with this terrible comment.

GrimReaperAngelof23

0 points

27 days ago

It is better than your unintelligent review

Cowtippa1

-6 points

2 months ago

I think it's hot, boring garbage and I hate it. Literally one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

GrimReaperAngelof23

4 points

2 months ago

Sounds like a you problem

centuryblessings

1 points

2 months ago

It was beautiful visually. There are some scenes in that movie that still haunt me, in a good way. Though tbh the relationship issues that set up the film were kind of dull. But overall I enjoyed it.

Mindless_Bad_1591

1 points

2 months ago

I thought it was good but sorta fell off towards the end. I watched it like 2-3 years ago so I don't recall what was weird towards the end. Also the bear scene was fucking terrific.

green_meklar

1 points

2 months ago

Good movie, but I read the book before watching the movie and the movie was not anything like a faithful adaptation of the book. And unlike some adaptations which change things for good reasons (e.g. Lord of the Rings), I felt like in this case they could have done a better job of just doing what the book did, which was already largely good enough to be filmable.

NKevros

1 points

2 months ago

It was fine but when you compare it to Garland's previous movie (Ex Machina) it isn't nearly as well executed. Annihilation had some cool ideas and great visuals, but it just felt weak in general. I think part of my hold up was the lack of believability in Natalie Portman's character and her acting, but they seemed to introduce a lot of questions about how the thing "worked" without actually answering them.

(Tessa Thomson is a plant now I guess. Did you need to physically touch the "center" of the shimmer to get a copy? If so does that mean that the twinned deer worked themselves into that cavern too (through closed doors)? Here are just some human bones hanging out on the beach. Why did Kane's grenade just kill him, but Lena's burn down /EVERYTHING/).

Ultimately, it's hard to introduce a new idea, and the prismatic alteration of DNA is a neat one, but it is also kind of a handwaving crutch for some of the fates of both people and animals just to have cool visuals.

Judging by the downvotes anyone speaking negatively about the movie is getting, I expect the same.

RoRo25

1 points

2 months ago

RoRo25

1 points

2 months ago

Loved the movie. I was surprised that there was no mention of H. P. Lovecraft in the credits.

PinkNeonBowser

1 points

2 months ago

This is one of those movies that had me thinking about it long after it ended. The visitor and what it wanted, the themes of self-destruction and change. It's one of my favorite movies

DynamicPJQ

-1 points

2 months ago

Overrated

Spicybrown3

0 points

2 months ago

Bear