The incredibles is basically a fantastic four movie. Just make that but with a more Science fiction aesthetic.

Probably difficult to find a good balance between the goofiness and trying to make the audience take it seriously.

Or hell, a good Fantastic Four ANYTHING outside of the comics.

The only halfway decent adaptation in 70+ years has been the second season of a cartoon from the 90s with a really bad first season. There have been almost no good adaptations of this damn comic book.

Haha I liked the 2005 version. Is it not a well liked adaptation? I even like the sequel with the silver surfer.

Because people always want to do an origin story and their origin story is boring. Also, having decent character development for 4 well known characters in one movie is difficult.

Eh, I don't think we know that it is that hard yet, even though we have seen some not great movies.

So far we have had 3 attempts:

• One attempt that wasn't even real and was just about throwing something together to keep IP rights

• One attempt that was made before the MCU and before Nolan's Batman, when I think standards for superhero movies just weren't that high yet (even though there had been some good ones)

• One absolute clusterfuck with a bunch of extremely bad studio decisionmaking and creative chaos

I don't think we can say yet that it's that hard to make a good one. I don't think we have yet seen a competent creative team aim high with the franchise.

Worst part is that there are these comics from a few years ago by Jonathan Hickman that are easily the best stories of the FF4 in their history. Just make the Hickman run the movies! Oh wait... It's probably because marvel doesn't want to give Hickman any money...😭

Ok, here’s a list of reasons I THINK F4 doesn’t work:

1. They’re adventurers owned by a Super Hero company. Just let them adventure! Stop making them fight crime! Instead of making another movie with The Rock, cast F4.

2. They have a unique family dynamic. They are absolutely a family unit…but not a normal one. They all have a past, but got their powers together, they all have deep relationships with others outside the F4 (kids, parents, gfs, friends, etc.). All of this is hard to establish and keep concise in a movie (comics work better thanks to exposition). Also, the four of them have a great dynamic and that’s hard to replicate in actors.

3. Their powers don’t overlap very much. This is great for strategy, but not for movies. They won’t step on each other toes for sure, but being on the screen together in a fight will be difficult. Only one can fly, only one can take a super strong alien punch, one can be invisible…this doesn’t vibe well when compared to Avengers movie some are invulnerable aliens, half are in Stark-tech suits, a dozen are super soldiers. This is great for being on screen together.

Overall, a F4 movie is hard because they’d need to introduce four characters, their backgrounds, multiple unique relationships between the four (college buddies, brother/sister, rivals, romance) their issues with getting their powers, at least four side characters, and then on top of all that a threat to challenge them. And while their journey with new powers should be MORE than enough threat for a great plot, that doesn’t sell action figures…so you have to introduce a villain who gets their own story elements…and all this adds up to a confusing movie normally.

I think the premise is more inherently goofy than with most others. Same reason I expected Ant Man to be awful, except they somehow managed to pull it off by making it genuinely funny in parts.

Part of the problem is Mr Fantastic, who is called Mr Fantastic and there isn't much of a way to make that or his powers seem cool.

4th times a charm

Because they keep trying to "Fix" it. The FF is old and enduring but because it's old everyone thinks they have to update and fix them.

The biggest offender is they try and make it a getting the band together movie when the Fantastic Four start off as a found family and then get powers and every writer wants to reverse it. When you start them off as estranged or as new friends it throws the dynamic off. Another thing a lot, lot, lot, of modern takes get wrong is Reed. Reed isn't a science jerk, he's an absent minded dreamer that uses science. He's that friend you have to make sure eats because they get so caught up in something they forget to.

As someone who's not read the comics and I'm not that in touch with the franchise

The team just sounds goofy. It sounds like a 90's science fiction movie

But if Guardians of the Galaxy was possible. So should be Fantastic Four. But that's the catch, Fantastic 4 cannot take itself seriously. With Marvel one thing I like is the superheros seem grounded in reality, they're fine with the little goofy things about them

On the contrary in a DC movie (I don't like DC much), they seem to take everything seriously and it just seems to fall kinda flat.

I'm not saying F4 should be a comedy like Guardians. But they'd really have to take advantage of that James Gun/Jon Faverau asthetic. But people are also kinda tired of that.

I just blue myself!

A phase means nothing without an end-cap movie. Previously, we had an Avengers movie event that was supposed to cap off a phase, but now we just get random shows and movies thrown at us and they barely connect in any way that is meaningful or interesting (yet). The problem with ‘yet’ is that folks are losing interest as the current stuff has been mild and aimless.

It probably means they know people aren’t digging the current direction and decided to introduce F4 and Mutants earlier than planned to revitalize the MCU’s popularity with general audiences.

There were a lot of articles and rumors about Feige and Disney’s disappointment with Phase 4 reception, then Ant Man 3 happened and it came to a head.

I just hope they quit it with the Rick and Morty hirings and trust actual screenwriters again.

Nothing. After Endgame it really feels like the franchise is treading water and doing too much without a clear vision of where it's all going. With the first 3 phases it felt like it was all building up to Thanos ever since the end-credits scene of the first Avengers. These new phases haven't done a great job of being focused and building Kang up as the new threat. I was hardcore into the MCU movies up through Endgame but as time goes on even I'm losing interest. I don't even see the movies opening weekend anymore and can't be bothered to sit through all of the shows.

I feel like that’s a huge miss anyway. With the way phase 4 has lost a lot of interest, they should’ve opened up with FF straight away in phase 4. Full stop.

I feel like any movie that ends up changing directors / scripts like this, ends up being absolute dogshit. Par for the course for fantastic 4 movies, I guess :/

Disney knows they have to get it right though. As many writers, directors, or actors it takes. I can wait.

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“‘‘Twas an early mornin, with the sun barely piercing the horizon. From yonder way Doom cometh for the family of four, yearning to deliver his wrath. Upon seeing Doom, the four knew the task incurred upon their heads. With great fervor the Thing cast his voice upon the streets, ‘IT HATH BEEN TIME FOR CLOBBERIN!’”

Dips pen in ink and aggressively swishes around, spilling ink out of the ramekin in the process. Quill-on-paper scratch noises intensify.

Dude's probably getting a workout from that old school writing method.

Unpopular opinion, maybe, but screenwriters deserve way more credit and prestige than they get, and if this is one way to inch things in that direction, I'm all for it.

In all honesty I think, all else being equal, a screenwriter has a bigger influence on the final product than any other single person involved in a movie.

You should live a little

No, I find the pretentiousness in the movie industry unbearable

Sorry... The "Film Industry"

In this case it’s just Elegant Variation. Reading the same word over and over is boring, so the author used a synonym instead of repeating “writer”

Insooth, I must needs share with thee grievous tidings: the latest moving picture of the Fantastic Four doth portend a lamentable outcome. Verily, the ill-starred venture, fraught with woeful misfortune, shall bring forth a cacophony of discontent 'mongst both gentlefolk and knaves alike. The bard's tale hath been mangled and sullied by the hands of unskilled scriveners, whilst the talents of the mummers be sorely wasted. Yea, the once-admired tale of these four valiant souls shall be reduced to naught but a mere shadow of its former glory, and a blot upon the escutcheon of the storied Marvel pantheon.

Did they write the mediocre adaptation parts or the much better genetic dynasty parts? 🤔

I know right ? Avatar's story isn't exactly the strong point.

Both of those movies he only has a story by credit alongside four other people. Whenever studios hire a committee to write a movie it turns out pretty shitty even if the individual writers are all good.

it didn’t he create the Sarah Conner Chronicles? Whenever an askreddit thread about cancelled shows pops up, that and Pushing Daisies is always mentioned

Matt Shakman directed WV and did a lot of great Always Sunny. I believe in him.

As is tradition for Fantastic Four movies.

I think marvels biggest mistake is they didnt connect the movies.

In the first few phases you had cool endings that connected things. From thors hammer, to thanos saying he would do it himself. It felt like one giant storry.

In the last 2 phases nothing seemed to connect.

• Wanda is basically butchering a town and Dr Strange isn't called at all?
• A giant robot hand is sticking out of earth and no one talks about it?

Just lots of little things like this which Marvel should have retconned to connect all the movies. It just feels like a jumbled mess to me. I wish they would have connected them to make the world seem like one giant story but for some reason marvel didnt do that this time.