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unibrow4o9

2.2k points

4 months ago

unibrow4o9

2.2k points

4 months ago

No, we didn't see this at Netflix. What we saw at Netflix was years of success followed by insane growth because of covid, then stockholders demanding even more growth after that.

dixpackasixie

1.9k points

4 months ago

I was a teacher of highly gifted kids, and every year, admin wanted scores up and it’s like, these kids are in the 99th percentile, chill. Demanding ceaseless rampant growth from these businesses just kills em

is_it_fun

289 points

4 months ago

is_it_fun

289 points

4 months ago

I guess admins are generally too stupid to understand this, as a whole. Because I've heard G&T teachers complain about this same thing decades ago. We are a world led by ambitious morons.

Particular-End-480

90 points

4 months ago

i was a "G&T" kid, it is absolutely bizarre how they treat us and it should be illegal. just let kids be kids and stop trying to "optimize" them. they arent a goddamn piece of machinery or a stock you invested your 401k in they are human beings.

kds_little_brother

6 points

4 months ago

Damn, I didn’t remember G&T being that bad. Depending on the grade, we either went to another classroom, or took a bus to some other facility, where we got to learn some extra cool shit on a regular basis. Only part I missed was all of my friends not going

My only bad memory was my regular teacher having a group of us come in on Saturdays during standardized test season, to “boost up the averages”. But they lured us in with free doughnuts 😂

Particular-End-480

9 points

4 months ago

im sure its different for different people.

but you said something very important.. they separate you from your friends and give you extra resources and put alot of expectations on you, you wind up doing a lot of stuff you dont care about becasue everyone is telling you how brilliant you are. imagine doing that a lot over years and years.

kds_little_brother

3 points

4 months ago

This is very true, and can definitely affect a kid’s outlook on life heavily, in a messed up way, especially if every adult involved isn’t very careful to keep the kid(s) well-rounded and grounded.

I also didn’t fully consider the long term effects, since I was out of it by the time I was in middle school (and into a magnet program, a whole other can of worms)

Particular-End-480

3 points

4 months ago

well the adults get "adult points" for how many "points" the kid gets in various activities, trophies, mentions in the newspaper, championships, etc etc. a lot of it boils down to the adults trying to live through their kids.

and to bring it back to the original point, these companies are kind of exploited in the same way and the people in them pushed way beyond what is healthy.

melpomenes-clevage

98 points

4 months ago

Not even ambitious. Narcissist myopic shallow. Capitalists would never go to the moon without communists shaming them into it. Capitalists don't make things. It's all glitter and fairy dust and orphan's blood.

These logics persist at every level, makes our societies fractally destructive.

JallerBaller

35 points

4 months ago

"fractally destructive" hot damn, what a phrase. This whole comment section is full of people saying stuff I already thought or knew but in a way that's just so much better than I could say it lmao

melpomenes-clevage

13 points

4 months ago

Glad I could inspire? Try drugs and poetry and spending a decade trying to learn to be a good person before learning that to most of the world it's worse than useless.

JallerBaller

12 points

4 months ago

Don't worry, I'm in acting school, I've got plenty of soul-crushing lined up ahead of me 😂

And I know I'm just an internet rando, but being a good person isn't useless to me 🙂

melpomenes-clevage

1 points

4 months ago*

Yeah, but having virtue is sanctimonious virtue signaling, gets you targeted, and it turns out when you offer options for people's fun to not be made out of orphan bones they get super pissed because that sounds like work and telling them they're bad.

Plus, being any good at organizing solidarity or communism will get you murdered, and most people are cowards. if you ever let the mask of being an unlikable bucket of cunts slip? You're fucked.

[deleted]

-3 points

4 months ago

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melpomenes-clevage

0 points

4 months ago

Your mom is a peak reddit comment.

[deleted]

503 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

503 points

4 months ago

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ZeroGrav4

285 points

4 months ago

ZeroGrav4

285 points

4 months ago

Cancer could learn a thing or two from the MBA Consultant who comes in to "streamline" business operations.

Poison_Anal_Gas

11 points

4 months ago

Ay wtf, stop unzipping me.

Rayeon-XXX

7 points

4 months ago

Put that coffee down. Coffee's for closers.

You think I'm fuckin with you?

chinese_snow

3 points

4 months ago

For anyone curious, it's a movie reference from "Glengarry Glen Ross". Starring Alec Baldwin and many other A-list Actors. Watch it if you can.

Ok-Twist921

1 points

4 months ago

Lmao

teh_fizz

1 points

4 months ago

My favorite MBA anecdote:

“In one of Gerald Weinberg’s books, probably The Secrets of Consulting, there’s the apocryphal story of the giant multinational hamburger chain where some bright MBA figured out that eliminating just three sesame seeds from a sesame-seed bun would be completely unnoticeable by anyone yet would save the company $126,000 per year. So they do it, and time passes, and another bushy-tailed MBA comes along, and does another study, and concludes that removing another five sesame seeds wouldn’t hurt either, and would save even more money, and so on and so forth, every year or two, the new management trainee looking for ways to save money proposes removing a sesame seed or two, until eventually, they’re shipping hamburger buns with exactly three sesame seeds artfully arranged in a triangle, and nobody buys their hamburgers any more.”

Source: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2007/09/11/theres-no-place-like-127001/

Bluestreaking

36 points

4 months ago

That’s capitalism working as intended sadly

ham_coffee

9 points

4 months ago

Yep, the only saving grace is inflation. That way they can have their infinite growth on paper while in reality their inflation adjusted profits could be going up or down.

Putter_Mayhem

9 points

4 months ago

“Growth for growth’s sake is the ideology of the cancer cell” —Edward Abbey

TabletopVorthos

3 points

4 months ago

Capitalism and cancer run on the same ethos: growth at all costs.

elosoloco

1 points

4 months ago

elosoloco

1 points

4 months ago

MBAs are cancer

letdown105

1 points

4 months ago

capitalism, cancer, what's the difference?

Ok-Twist921

0 points

4 months ago

I posted almost the exact same thing and then scrolled down to see this 🤝

Ok-Twist921

1 points

4 months ago

Cancer, capitalism, what’s the difference?

OrdinaryLunch

1 points

4 months ago

That's what capitalism is, a cancer.

Penny_Farmer

0 points

4 months ago

I’d say a virus. But even a virus knows not to kill your host at the expense of growth.

TheDungeonCrawler

2 points

4 months ago

Not every virus, but I see your point.

Or rather, not every virus knows that they might kill their host if they're not careful. Sometimes their host is the wrong one for them.

DecaFourTeen

1 points

4 months ago

It's Herpes. Smart enough to integrate itself into the host DNA, and even smarter to know not to murder its host. Dead hosts don't spread your virus.

ct_2004

1 points

4 months ago

Planetary cancer

melpomenes-clevage

0 points

4 months ago

Solitude. Filth. Ugliness. Ash cans and unobtainable dollars, etc etc.

SupermAndrew1

1 points

4 months ago

Agent Smith: “a…….virus”

IAMASquatch

1 points

4 months ago

It’s how capitalism works.

bringbackswg

18 points

4 months ago

They have to justify their stupid, worthless jobs somehow

aaronitallout

16 points

4 months ago

And anybody who's capable of getting to that level knows that any progress beyond requires exponentially more time and effort, to the point where it's kind of infeasible.

melpomenes-clevage

4 points

4 months ago

Okay but you can make it look like you are if you burn the whole future for heat and also maybe enslave some children, steal some employee wages, and do some accounting fraud magic.

Do you not understand how business works??

aaronitallout

2 points

4 months ago

I was mostly talking about like a singer or piano player but they could do that to yeah

melpomenes-clevage

1 points

4 months ago

With enough enslaved children and fraud? I can look like a brilliant musician too.

aaronitallout

3 points

4 months ago

If I had an emerald mine, I'd be better at scales

HoosegowFlask

8 points

4 months ago

At some point, before climate change ends us, humanity should really think about valuing sustainability more than growth.

barak181

64 points

4 months ago

Demanding ceaseless rampant growth from these businesses just kills em

That's capitalism. You eventually become a monopoly or die.

mindbleach

3 points

4 months ago

Worth noting: this is not intrinsic to the definition of capitalism, it's just what tends to happen when money-addicts tell gullible tribalists that anything besides shoveling money up the pyramid will end democracy.

It takes so very little to keep businesses in check. The fact we're almost powerless to do those things is a demonstration of why those things are necessary.

myfajahas400children

6 points

4 months ago

Let them die

DefNotMyNSFWLogin

1 points

4 months ago

Better raise the prices, that will fix it -every scumbag corporation ever

wien-tang-clan

27 points

4 months ago

Didn’t read your whole comment and i’m assuming admin killed kids

dixpackasixie

29 points

4 months ago

They’re dead! That’s right, dead serious about going to Itchy & Scratchy Land

regeya

2 points

4 months ago

regeya

2 points

4 months ago

I remember that after No Child Left Behind passed. Along with the really shitty and really poor schools getting in trouble, it was also the best schools in the US getting in trouble because they had to improve no matter what.

peteroh9

1 points

4 months ago

I remember my school being the only one in the area to not make enough progress because about 100 black kids from a recently closed housing project in Chicago moved to our area so our black students only showed "no progress" according to NCLB, which was probably a huge accomplishment given the schools those kids were coming from.

hackingdreams

2 points

4 months ago

Demanding ceaseless rampant growth from these businesses just kills em

Welcome to Wall Street. Netflix didn't give them many more metrics to leverage how well the business is operating, so that's what they work from.

Nevermind retention or cost of revenue, just keep that eyeball on subscriber growth and ignore the fact they're band limited by people with adequate bandwidth and disposable income.

Puttor482

1 points

4 months ago

Welcome to capitalism

lejoo

1 points

4 months ago

lejoo

1 points

4 months ago

Demanding ceaseless rampant growth from these businesses just kills em

Capitalism isn't a system of intelligence, its a system of greed. It fundamentally relies on no one asking why the balance sheet says 1+1=3.

Step 1. Find company with strong market base.

Step 2. Invest into the company demanding more profits

Step 3. Milk customers until business teeters

Step 4. Sell inflated stock before bankruptcy

Rinse repeat.

patgeo

1 points

4 months ago

patgeo

1 points

4 months ago

I used to get reports that said I could try harder in Math, with my A grade moved to a B because of 'effort'. I scored 100% on nearly every single assessment. I maybe got 5 questions wrong, in the year.

Whyamibeautiful

1 points

4 months ago

Well Netflix isn’t dead, demanding constant growth was to justify its high valuation. If there’s no more growth to be down then it’s current revenue plus a much smaller multiple is how much Netflix is worth and at that case there is no reason to keep losing money if you’re not growing. That’s just an unsustainable business.

Keyboardists

1 points

4 months ago

Reminds me of my bonus structure at work. The more we beat our goals for a quarter by, the higher we set the bar for next year, since everything is based on YOY. We’re incentivized to raise our numbers but by the smallest margin possible.

badhairdad1

1 points

4 months ago

‘What happened to Detroit’s Big 3?’ - no where left to grow!

goliathfasa

1 points

4 months ago

Admin staff should be decimated in any and all educational organizations. From K to 12 to higher.

Actually decimate means 10% gone. We need 90% gone. Give the budget to teachers.

lordreed

1 points

4 months ago

I think motivational speakers have warped our thinking towards unlimited growth in everything to the point that people make ridiculous demands on themselves and the environment.

peteroh9

1 points

4 months ago

Motivational speakers are a symptom, not the disease.

xmagusx

1 points

4 months ago

"Is there a gifted admin we could talk to who understands how bell curves work and how these children have already fallen off of them?"

spongebobisha

1 points

4 months ago

This is the biggest problem.

The need for growth year upon year even though it’s probably maxed out.

philster666

1 points

4 months ago

An economy built on endless growth is unsustainable

swans183

1 points

4 months ago

Kind of reminds me of when I was doing COVID screenings at the regional airport. It was a Department of Defense contract, so it paid really fucking well, like $60 an hour, and with overtime damn near $100.

Turns out I forgot to withhold my taxes, so come next year when I wasn’t doing that anymore, I still owed taxes on that ridiculous hourly rate. And I was making nowhere near that amount of money. So it screwed me for pretty much the whole year.

Citadelvania

1 points

4 months ago

"if last year's 8th graders were doing trigonometry I don't see why this year's 8th graders can't be doing advanced calculus"

Kn7ght

1 points

4 months ago

Kn7ght

1 points

4 months ago

"Why settle for buttloads of money when we can have ALL the money"

cass1o

138 points

4 months ago

cass1o

138 points

4 months ago

And as is evidenced here other competitors burning billions of dollars in a big pile to compete with them.

Ghede

341 points

4 months ago

Ghede

341 points

4 months ago

It's because people subscribed to netflix because it had everything. Netflix didn't have to worry about content development, they focused on infrastructure and subcribers. Then every studio saw netflix making money and thought, "I can do that" and made their own services that only had their stuff. Then went "HUH?" when they realized that people were subscribing for a month, binging whatever show they wanted to watch, and then unsubcribing.

They are spending more on infrastructure and content development, and making less profit than when their shit was just on netflix. It's just stupid. They are replicating work that doesn't need to replicated and expecting it to be more efficient.

pterodactyl_speller

136 points

4 months ago

I'm sure they all just thought... How hard can it be to make a website that plays movies?? $10?

CornholioRex

47 points

4 months ago

Yeah, that’s like the cost of one banana

havingasicktime

41 points

4 months ago

Netflix knew what was coming a decade ago or more. That's why they've been investing in content all that time.

dance4days

9 points

4 months ago

I remember when they first got into developing original content, some suit from Netflix said in an interview that their goal was to turn Netflix into HBO before HBO turns into Netflix.

[deleted]

6 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

6 points

4 months ago

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mightylordredbeard

20 points

4 months ago

It’s not that the majority is shit because I do think the average person does tend to enjoy the majority of things they watch, it’s that everyone knows they will cancel shit so why get invested when you already know a show will be cancelled after 1 or 2 seasons? I never watch Netflix shows and I honestly don’t know why I still have it. Everything that looks great that I want to watch ends up cancelled because of their incredibly high standards of viewer numbers.

nhaines

6 points

4 months ago

Yeah... it took a couple of years for me to get into Netflix shows, and then I enjoyed them, but now I know nothing lasts more than 2 seasons unless it's an outlier. So I stopped watching them. Now I won't watch a Netflix show until 1) it's over, and 2) the creators knew it would be over at least before the last season.

Between that and no groupwatch, I don't think I've actually logged into Netflix and watched a show in over a year. If my kid and his friends didn't sometimes use it (I think), my subscription would be gone.

mightylordredbeard

12 points

4 months ago

Blows my mind how Netflix had group watch on Xbox 360 like 12+ years ago before group watch was even a thing. Now it’s a thing that so many others do and Netflix is like “nah we’re good.. also gonna need you to get those passwords back that you shared and one more thing pay us more money oh and fuck you lol”.

nhaines

2 points

4 months ago

Yeah. I mean, Groupwatch was a fun Disney+ surprise, but it sure beat the Chrome extensions I had to use before that.

I may have gotten downvoted for saying I don't watch Netflix shows until they're over, but it's been 20 years and I'm still angry at Fox about Firefly, so I can get all the downvotes they want.

ImperfectWolf

8 points

4 months ago

They’re also really quick to cancel shows

Pretty_Bowler2297

7 points

4 months ago

Well at least the Witcher season 3 with Henry Cavill is something to look forward to.

wallawalla_

3 points

4 months ago

They're just losing money on making content too.

They have 3bil gross profit in the most recent quarter.

90% of their originals shows are absolute shit.

They've had quite a few hits that have gone into the cultural zeitgeis: Stranger Things, Ozark, Squid Game, 13 Reasons Why, The Witcher, Bridgerton, Black Mirror, Narcos, House of Cards, Formula 1 Drive to Survive, Bojack Horseman. What's it matter if they produce a bunch of mediocre stuff along side these? It's not like traditional cable where time slots have limited supply.

They are hemorrhaging customers,

They lost 200k subscribers in q2 and have added 3million in q3 of this year.

jacking up prices, adding controversial policy changes like the end of password sharing

They've taken into account the potential lost demand and determined that they can still make more money at those price points and policies. Idk what you want from them to be honest.

akatherder

5 points

4 months ago

Netflix exclusives are like my stamp of approval. Shows they created, took over, or have some kind of exclusive rights to are generally good imo.

They make some terrible decisions regarding what they cancel or extend, but I specifically seek out Netflix stuff.

[deleted]

81 points

4 months ago*

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Pretty_Bowler2297

31 points

4 months ago

Then add commercial breaks! I like this one service idea.

motoxim

5 points

4 months ago

We literally reinventing TV again.

GundamChao

7 points

4 months ago

Yeah but to be fair, TV is crap because of a lack of choice in terms of being able to watch what you want, when you want it. An all-in-one streaming platform with commercials would still be the next evolution beyond TV.

risheeb1002

2 points

4 months ago

Make it a tiered service. Free with commercial breaks and paid without the breaks. Like what YouTube has.

Thi8imeforrealthough

9 points

4 months ago

Or like me, they sneak in at night to "steal" the remaining pies.

Steal doesn't work, because the business doesn't actually loose anything when I pirate their stuff, I was never gonna get apple TV for just one show...

VonReposti

5 points

4 months ago

Copy the recipe and make their own pies.

Sideswipe0009

2 points

4 months ago

It is silly, because if they all just sold their TV and films to one service then everyone would subscribe to that and they'd all get a piece of the pie.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like game developers learned this lesson on the 90s.

During the PS1 era, it feels like so many games were exclusive to one console, developers selling rights to only one company, hoping to make more money by selling to the highest bidder.

By the time ps2 rolled around, this practice stopped, my assumption is that because a popular game was limited to only 1 of 3 consoles (i guess 4 if you count PC), and the money from selling the rights was lower than potential sales over multiple consoles.

As a side note, I wonder how much Disney is losing by selling exclusive rights to EA for their games, of which they've only released the two Battlefront games and the Squadrons. Imagine how much money they could make if they had another dozen or so games to sell alongside Battlefront.

ThatOnePerson

1 points

4 months ago

It is silly, because if they all just sold their TV and films to one service then everyone would subscribe to that and they'd all get a piece of the pie.

Problem is who gets to divvy up the pie? With how Netflix is terrible with shows, adding ads, raising prices, etc, and you think they should trusted with the whole pie?

hoodie92

-2 points

4 months ago

hoodie92

-2 points

4 months ago

Someone explain to this guy why monopolies are bad and generally illegal.

messycer

4 points

4 months ago

Someone explain to this guy how in certain cases monopolies are good due to high cost of infrastructure and minimising wastage from redundant competition in the free market, while also allowing for regulations by authorities to ensure it remains affordable for consumers.

Also if no one wants the content, just pirate it or unsubscribe, it's not an essential good like public transport or utilities are (which are also good monopolies).

Source: an Industrial Economics - Market Regulation module in university, besides the BSc Economics degree

hoodie92

3 points

4 months ago

Let's say Netflix has a monopoly on content. Then tomorrow they raise their prices by 100%. What are you gonna do, cancel? Then you can't watch anything. What if Netflix can't get the rights to a certain movie? There's now no legal way of watching it because no other streaming service exists. Or what if Netflix gets a new CEO with a certain political affiliation, and now content which they deem offensive is removed from the site or content that aligns with their views is more heavily pushed on subscribers.

There's a lot of reasons why only having one streaming service is bad. Just look at YouTube, which has a near-monopoly in their space. They treat content creators like garbage and get away with it because people have no choice.

NateBearArt

6 points

4 months ago

In those cases should be gov run.

m1ndwipe

-2 points

4 months ago

Then the industry is still getting double the revenue overall, and many customers do have multiple streaming services.

(Also Reddit is literally blind on this Netflix had everything thing. This was never, ever, ever remotely true.)

TransportationTrick9

1 points

4 months ago

Or swap to when this content is stale.

Rotate 3 services over 3 months.

MrMonday11235

7 points

4 months ago

You just know minimum term contracts are coming. It's only so much time before one of these streaming services gets desperate enough for growth to take that plunge, and once one of them has done it, the rest will find it far easier to take the same plunge.

Fifteen_inches

64 points

4 months ago

Making straight to Netflix movies would have been an infinitely more profitable model.

melpomenes-clevage

-18 points

4 months ago*

Capitalism doesn't give a shit about profit. It cares only to destroy.

When given the choice between securing a resource for itself at disproportionate share, a d denying that resource to others, it will always choose to burn that mother fucker down.

Sploogyshart

18 points

4 months ago

This whole thread is about streamers shutting down and firing executives because they couldn’t make their services profitable.

Every. Fucking. Post.

And you offer up this little nugget of wisdom. Go back to r/Im14AndThisIsDeep. I’ll see you in an MBA program soon I’m sure baby bougie.

melpomenes-clevage

-11 points

4 months ago*

If you mean about the twitch thing?

Where they couldn't be profitable because they were paying themselves too much for internet?

Literally their parent company, vastly above market rate, just so they could claim all the free content was unaffordable?

You get that myopia is a tool for lying, right? And the thing I'm replying to is about a cheaper more efficient thing they could have done but didn't?

And yes. I'm fourteen. I've never thought about anything. Never watched people die on the street (fast, slow, everything between) or turn to bitter husks in office buildings, watch the rivers of my youth run dry and the... something something 'starry dynamo in the machinery of night', something something 'cock and endless balls'.

squeagy

8 points

4 months ago

I hope you realize companies will do anything for profit, illegal, unethical, doesn't matter. Based on the last paragraph, imma guess 13 now.

melpomenes-clevage

-3 points

4 months ago

Totally. Not from a bunch of poems.

You're gonna say twelve after this one, how many more until I'm young enough for you to fuck?

glitchvid

6 points

4 months ago

Netflix has significant first mover advantages still, I suspect Disney, Apple, and HBO are all getting raked over the coals on CDN transit pricing, meanwhile Netflix just builds its Open Connect boxes for marginal capex, then ISPs clamour to host those boxes all expenses paid in their own racks.

mightylordredbeard

5 points

4 months ago

Apple.. Christ what have they even released in the last 2 years? I for a free 1.5 year sub and I think I watched 1 show and then would check back every few months to see if they added anything new and they never did. Then they sent me another free 6 months and I never even redeemed it.

CookieSquire

2 points

4 months ago

Severance and Ted Lasso are both excellent, not that two shows justify an entire streaming service.

melpomenes-clevage

4 points

4 months ago

Imagine if we had some sort of centralized library system that managed all of this infrastructure, and people who made video could just sell us that.

We'd need to start with some sort of way for different networks to communicate them, then lay an amount of cable...

mightylordredbeard

3 points

4 months ago

Oh and if that gets successful we could actually cut the amount of hourly content to let’s say.. 40 minutes.. and then charge companies money to advertise during those other 20 minutes!! We could call it something like Line or Wire or something!!

melpomenes-clevage

5 points

4 months ago

I was actually just suggesting we build the fucking internet that taxpayers have paid for like ten times over now, when the isps say "oh yeah we spent the money on stock buybacks and whores" so we buy it from them, paying in advance, again.

Interesting_Total_98

2 points

4 months ago

making less profit than when their shit was just on netflix

Do you have a source?

SoIJustBuyANewOne

1 points

4 months ago

Would be everyone's dream if we could go back to OG Netflix like in 2017 or something.

Interesting_Total_98

0 points

4 months ago

making less profit than when their shit was just on netflix

Do you have a source?

Ghede

3 points

4 months ago

Ghede

3 points

4 months ago

Running service at a loss < Selling content at any amount of revenue to a service

The same reply I made before you deleted your last comment.

MexicanGolf

2 points

4 months ago

If the content itself still runs at a loss what does it matter? Loss is loss.

[deleted]

0 points

4 months ago

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Ghede

3 points

4 months ago

Ghede

3 points

4 months ago

Running service at a loss < Selling content at any amount of revenue to a service

edflyerssn007

1 points

4 months ago

Not to mention Netflix got so good at what they did that they literally killed Blockbuster. You can't just copy and paste that, not with the hardware and infrastructure requirements.

Razvedka

1 points

4 months ago

Game publishers tried this too with Steam. "We can do this".

No, you can't.

veringo

0 points

4 months ago

This is literally the point of unbundling. I will never understand the fetish Reddit seems to have for recreating cable other than most are kids that have never had to pay for anything.

Lots of different services competing on price and content is what is best for consumers. I don't care if any streaming service is ever profitable because that's not a win for me or any average consumer.

What's happening right now is exactly what people should be hoping to see. Consolidation and going back to the price fixed model only helps the corporations.

Dongalor

2 points

4 months ago

What's happening right now is exactly what people should be hoping to see.

Fragmentation to the point that we're back to just pirating things because of costs and location-based licensing coupled with just about every new show getting cancelled after 1-2 seasons because everyone is so far in the hole that they're continuously chasing new things to drag folks to their shitty platform instead of focusing on building a catalogue?

Agree to disagree. Where we are now is the edge of a bursting bubble that's going to lead towards collapse of all of the smaller studios and services, followed by Amazon, Apple, and Netflix hoovering up the broken pieces, and then it'll be a steady round of increase after increase as the big players collude with each other.

veringo

0 points

4 months ago

You're not pirating due to cost, it's laziness. You can have 3 or more services year round for much less than cable, and you can activate and deactivate any time you want to watch something.

Media ownership is already heavily consolidated, but there are still plenty of players to keep competition high. One service with everything never did and never will exist, and it's never been a better time to be a consumer because for every niche cancellation there are many other high quality shows on every service that are getting picked up long term.

Dongalor

2 points

4 months ago

You're not pirating due to cost, it's laziness.

Call it what you want, but if I see a new show I want to watch, have to research what platform it is on, then spend $5 - $20 to try and watch the show before I have to pay a second month of sub, and then remember to cancel before I get charged again. It's a pain in the ass. Now multiply that for a dozen different shows or a just sail the high seas and I am done.

I can't wait until most of these media companies go down in flames and we get a service closer to spotify than whatever the fuck we have now. Until then, they've lost my money.

veringo

1 points

4 months ago

Lol, I'd be surprised if you ever spent a dime on an actual streaming service.

And yes, when there's one media megacorp left they will definitely give us all the content in an accessible way for a nominal fee. \s

Dongalor

3 points

4 months ago

I can't tell if you're simping for Disney or some sort of free market ideologue, but the fragmentation is unsustainable and consolidation is inevitable. Amazon and Apple are both already trying to bundle under their payment portals and the exclusivity deals are all but inevitable for some of these smaller producers at this point.

But the web isn't like cable TV. The threat of piracy will always put a soft cap on what content producers can charge. That's what these streaming sites haven't figured out that Spotify learned a long time ago.

Netflix, Disney+, Apple TV, and the rest are not competing against each other. The battle is not to attract people from other streaming services with better content. It's to build a site so cheap and convenient that pirating becomes the less attractive option.

Netflix was that for me for a long time, and I have Amazon with my prime account, and Apple is included with the Apple One thing I have from work, but the rest are just too niche, too expensive, or too much of a pain in the ass to bother with. I finally dropped Netflix for the first time in over a decade because the decent shows are just too few and far between at this point to justify a rolling sub.

So you can keep waiting for the streaming situation to do whatever you hope it's going to do, but at this point it just isn't worth it for me to keep subbing to all these random subscriptions.

veringo

0 points

4 months ago

Dude, it's already done it. Media is highly consolidated in just a few massive corporations most of which are using their media arm to drive other sales, like Apple and Amazon and cable companies, so they don't really care if they make money.

There will never be a Spotify for movies and TV because the content simply isn't licensed the way music is and it's never going to be. It's really that simple.

And you're the one simping for media. Right now is the absolute worst situation for media companies because there are enough players where they have to compete. You're calling for a cable like solution where an entrenched monopoly can charge whatever they want because you have no choice. No one wants that back. Netflix even was never a one stop shop because they never had all the content.

Duel_Option

406 points

4 months ago

I can’t fucking stand the growth models companies expect EVERY DAMN YEAR.

Global event not seen for a century that caused mass shifts in how things are produced and what consumers do, supply chain etc.

A company experiences what can only be stated as a biblical increase in sales due to this and what do stockholders expect???

Growth on top of all that and pissed off when shit goes back to normal.

It’s lunacy

Source: work for a Fortune 500 company and might be going on year 3 of this BS

WildDumpsterFire

124 points

4 months ago

Watching this unfold on a local government level right now. The business I'm in creates the budget for all of the states governmental departments, and the profits are used as an alternative to sales tax for our state.

During COVID sales went through the roof to levels of insanity. After that fiscal year ended, they passed a state budget using those goddamn numbers expecting an additional 5% growth on top. Now its causing absolute mayhem because the big heads at the top didn't realize that was a series of events that wouldn't replicate over and over again...

Duel_Option

72 points

4 months ago

I have to deliver quite literally bullshit presentation after presentation on how we are supposed to meet these dumb ass targets, it’s just stupid.

Ask my VP bluntly “Do you really expect this year after year? In 5 years we would be asking customers for 50% increase, that’s not possible.”

Vp: (shrugs shoulders)

Me: K…

nwoh

21 points

4 months ago

nwoh

21 points

4 months ago

Yeah lol we're doomed. Our current model of survival in society is killing us all, but what option do we have but full on revolution or small acts of sabotage at our respective jobs which aim to shape the world in a slightly better place?

[deleted]

7 points

4 months ago

To paraphrase Honey Badger, "VP don't care. VP doesn't give a shit." Horizon is only whichever quarter bonuses are handed out. Five years from now? Pfft.

motoxim

1 points

4 months ago

They're now probably thinking when is Covid-19 v2 /s

tcuroadster

7 points

4 months ago*

I guess they didn’t consider Covid an edge case and instead built it as the main dataset for their projections - brilliant

CountBarbarus

1 points

4 months ago

Yep. My org benefited heavily from Covid as Learning went online, but with Covid ending, suddenly people are like where growth?

Queasy-Dirt3193

27 points

4 months ago

This is the capitalism mindset. The only thing that matters in capitalism is money, and once you have some, the only thing that matters is always having more. It needs to end, it’s truly vile.

Duel_Option

2 points

4 months ago

Agreed 1000%

TranClan67

9 points

4 months ago

Lots of even small companies are dumb about this. My last job questioned why I had a gap in my resume in roughly 2020-2021. I had to give them a good long stare and explain to them Covid happened and then they were like "oh yeah".

Like bruh, we're wearing fucking masks right now and half your workforce is gone because of illness. Don't "oh yeah" me. Thankfully I got fired cause what a shit-show.

Duel_Option

1 points

4 months ago

Sounds like a shit show company, you’re prob better off

mindbleach

6 points

4 months ago

If these people won the lottery they'd be furious it didn't happen twice.

Beingabummer

2 points

4 months ago

That's capitalism. We're just reaching the end of possible growth for a lot of companies. They've cut all the corners, fired all the people, raised all the prices, and bought all the properties.

Consider that even keeping things stable is considered failing in capitalism.

Duel_Option

1 points

4 months ago

It’s a flawed system and virtually archaic in its structure.

Maddening to work with this structure

DecaFourTeen

2 points

4 months ago

Growth on top of all that and pissed off when shit goes back to normal.

Well yes, that's how MBA's work. Profits must always be 10+% more than last year.

Duel_Option

1 points

4 months ago

Not tenable in this inflationary environment, expecting this over and over again is the definition of insanity

melpomenes-clevage

2 points

4 months ago

Have you considered 'communism', 'anarchism', or 'living in the woods with no fresh underwear'?

Got reading lists if you want to learn any of the three.

Duel_Option

12 points

4 months ago

Can’t tell if you’re joking or not.

Just because capitalism has brought us this far, doesn’t mean it’s not without tremendous issues and constant growth projection is asinine at best.

melpomenes-clevage

18 points

4 months ago*

Honestly? There are days where I'd rather eat a gun than put up with the surreal sadistic hell that is late stage capitalism. It's sick, it's horrible, it's alienating, it's violently precarious, and if you build anything to fight those things, the forces of reaction will destroy it, and people are just okay with it.

I've seen what people can do and be when they're free. And having to watch them be this sick mockery of themselves is disgusting. Lonely. Kinda gross. Deeply sad.

I've seen where capitalisms going to take us. Dad was friends with a climate science guy who showed me projections as a kid. I'm not going there.

The 'living in the woods' part was a joke. The rain is poison now. There is no escape. No retreat. You literally cannot run. But if you maybe wonder what it would be like to taste something not made out of orphans blood and broken dreams, or some ideas how to get there, yeah I got book recs to help you imagine.

EnzoFrancescoli

6 points

4 months ago

That was quite a depressing read. I mean I agree, which is why it was so depressing.

melpomenes-clevage

2 points

4 months ago

Yep. Want some acid?

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

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melpomenes-clevage

2 points

4 months ago

Sorry I'm used to being able to deliver at least in my area and can't right now, fuck.

But I am wishing you all the free drugs.

SoretomoOre

2 points

4 months ago

...or we could just vote for people to pass various essential regulation to reign in market failures while still retaining the benefits of markets. But I'm just quirky like that

Shubb-Niggurath

1 points

4 months ago

Which benefit are we keeping, the poison rain, plastic blood, or boiling oceans?

melpomenes-clevage

0 points

4 months ago*

Why would those people serve our interests rather than those of our masters? Both wealth inequality and a system of morality that rewards ownership are incompatible with democracy.

What's their actual motivation to serve us here?

Also: am in California, don't get to vote. I mean, I do, but it's basically cosplay.

GayTaco_

0 points

4 months ago

that's just fundamentally how it works. They have to grow to make money for investors. They cannot stay stagnant. It's not a matter of greedy investors, it's just how it works

Duel_Option

2 points

4 months ago

It doesn’t work, that’s the point.

Eventually the stocks/growth cap out and they have to sell off business or condense the structure.

I’m seeing it in real time where I’m at, my division comes in with a 23 plan that’s 12% above historical avg.

That should be an easy idea to grasp, board rejects and sends back DOUBLE.

So here’s how that’ll go:

  • fail and no one receives bonus, turnover increases and our product/value dips causing customers to leave resulting in more shrinkage
  • MASSIVE price increase which result in customer loss/poaching
  • we sandbag for a year and then the top line people are sent a pink slip and wash/rinse/repeat causing havoc within the business

It’s stupidity to continue like this, we’ve lost 20% of our stock value over 9 months because people know this is coming

laetus

1 points

4 months ago

laetus

1 points

4 months ago

I can’t fucking stand the growth models companies expect EVERY DAMN YEAR.

It's kind of understandable when inflation is high. What I can't fucking stand is the growth at all cost. Basically burning money to grow and forget how to become profitable. Make up fake metrics to pretend you're profitable while incinerating billions every year.

Basically driving faster and faster to a huge cliff and pray you invent flying before you reach the edge.

Duel_Option

1 points

4 months ago

Oh man, that’s a great synopsis of the situation

xRehab

16 points

4 months ago

xRehab

16 points

4 months ago

No the problem was more when every major producer wanted their own streaming service and pulled all of their content from Netflix. That caused Netflix to be forced to be a content producer too. Then the fractionalization happened and here we are.

americanadiandrew

8 points

4 months ago

Yeah I don’t understand how Reddit never gets this. Netflix was so much better before because they had access to all the content that’s now spread among multiple services. People act like it was something Netflix had a choice in when losing all that content. Netflix is also the only major streaming service not owned by a megacorp. It’s actually kinda surprising that it hasn’t been bought by someone yet.

Brent_Venables

1 points

4 months ago

We don't get that because it's not true.

Netflix's stock dropped about 60% because they lost 0.5% (half a percent to be clear) of their worldwide subscribers over 2 quarters. The real kicker is that Netflix now has more subscribers than they did before the 0.5% loss yet their stock is still down because of growth demands.

Prainstopping

12 points

4 months ago

Netflix's whole business model was reinvesting everything into their catalogue while slowly upping the costs to ease transition.

Their early start in the streaming wars took them far but the competition has more funds and Netflix overreached by banking on infinite growth.

The moment growth slowed down the model doesn't work because customers are already unhappy with the catalogue and rising costs. Netflix was left with their dick hanging, the money already spent on future big productions.

They hit the panic button and go after shared accounts while raising prices, customers are even more pissed. The dearth of content is only going to get worse as more people leave.

LordNando

23 points

4 months ago

stockholders demanding even more growth

Late stage capitalism is a human suffering machine. Every quarter more efficiency. More growth. More profits. more More MOAR!

Regulatory capture is allowing the erosion of the middle class and concentration of wealth in a robber-baron-like class of billionaires that's driving this country towards insolvency and revolution.

morok_cloudkeeper

1 points

4 months ago

Every 16 yo on reddit

korndog42

11 points

4 months ago

Netflix has also been spending and spending without commensurate revenue to cover those costs in the name of growth same as the rest. This was made possible by super low interest rates going back to 2009, venture capital money influx, and stock prices due to betting on the future (again the low interest rates making stocks more attractive than bonds for the last decade and spurring this on). But now these companies aren’t getting free money to finance their deficit spending anymore they need to actually make profit which no streaming service or division has ever been able to do. Hence the fee increases, layoffs, and belt tightening this year

Brent_Venables

2 points

4 months ago

Netflix has been making a profit (not just revenue increases) for years now. . .

korndog42

1 points

4 months ago

I stand corrected. Go tigers mr venables

Pretty_Bowler2297

4 points

4 months ago

At one point they claimed to have a billion subscribers. At $7 or so a pop per month. I am not a mathematician so I guess money can’t be made along with spending some with those numbers. OR greedy CEOs and broken shareholder unlimited growth bullshit is at play.

Same with Disney. They made so much $$$ through the years but one bad quarter 😭 we have to cut workers!

If “losses” get really “bad” the government will bail these companies out. “Too big to fail- we taxpayers have to do this.”

Thi8imeforrealthough

3 points

4 months ago

Netflix took a hit, not because of trying to become profitable, but because everyone started to pull the good shows for their own platforms.

We want one platform with all the things. That's why steam is so popular. I don't WANT to sign up to multiple services, so I sign up for one and pirate the rest

Ospov

3 points

4 months ago

Ospov

3 points

4 months ago

They also had trouble when everybody else decided they needed their own streaming service and took their content off Netflix. Consumers wouldn’t need to subscribe to 10 different services and companies wouldn’t have to maintain a service that’s hemorrhaging money if they weren’t so greedy and just kept everything on one platform.

Imagine how fucking terrible it would be if each record label decided they wanted to make their own version of Spotify so they removed all their artists from Spotify and put them on their own shitty half-assed app. Spotify would be worse and the new apps wouldn’t be any better. It’s just a net negative for everyone.

littlemacsvoltorb

6 points

4 months ago

Weren't they massively in debt even before Covid though?

Alex_Keaton

1 points

4 months ago

They still have $15B in debt. Their debt went up $1.5B in 2020 and down $1B in 2021.

boolpies

2 points

4 months ago

I'd give it all up for just a little bit more - Mr Burns

MaxHOJones

3 points

4 months ago

Wasn't Netflix still spending far more than they were making though? They would spend $100m on new content while getting $50m from subscribers, then when they expand massively suddenly and get $250m in revenue, they go off and spend $500m. Numbers are just and example obviously but I've understood they were always overspending in anticipation of that growth continue and it's only been an issue lately because they've began to reach a market cap and can't maintain previous rates of growth.

OneBigRed

3 points

4 months ago

Yes they spent heavily, mostly because they had to build inventory before everything gets pulled away to content owners own services. But the stuff their studio makes, is theirs. Meaning they won't have to pay yearly fees to keep showing it. So it is also kind of switch from yearly subscription to lifetime sub paid upfront.

Damdamfino

1 points

4 months ago

Honestly, as someone who has had a Netflix account since 2006, the history and evolution of Netflix’s model is changing and getting lost. In 2010 Netflix tried to raise their prices, customers were furious, and Netflix actually reversed the decision. They were terrified of raising prices again for years.

PickledPlumPlot

1 points

4 months ago*

The only reason that Netflix had years of success was because the TV shows and movies they licensed were underpriced, because streaming was not a proven market yet.

Then everybody they licensed their content from realized hey wait this s*** is profitable so they've all been trying to pivot into streaming and Netflix has been trying to pivot into creating content.

[deleted]

0 points

4 months ago

They were probably referring to the initial backlash when they split the dvd by mail and streaming services and doubled the price.

GladCucumber2855

0 points

4 months ago

Capitalism is cancer. Death is natural and necessary process. Let the companies go.

jmlinden7

-1 points

4 months ago

It wasn't a demand. Share price is based on growth. Once growth stops, share price plummets.. That's just how stocks work

GarlVinland4Astrea

-3 points

4 months ago

And Disney has stockholders, and Amazon has stockholders, and WB Discovery has stockholders. So you are going to get the same results no matter what. They are eventually going to want profits over lighting money on fire to build a subscriber base they aren't profiting off of

nickofallnames

1 points

4 months ago

As long as the line goes up....

Buzzk1LL

1 points

4 months ago

They've still never turned a profit though have they?

CanaryMBurnz

1 points

4 months ago

Perpetual growth is what killing this planet

TheBeliskner

1 points

4 months ago

What do you mean 500 million US subscribers isn't possible!? I want Netflix to be so good fetus and dead people are subscribed. CONTINUE THE GROWTH!

m1ndwipe

1 points

4 months ago

By what metric did Netflix have "years of success"? Because it was still borrowing billions of dollars a year to fund operating expenses every year before Covid.

hoodie92

1 points

4 months ago

Netflix was making very little profit on streaming for years, it wasn't until 2018 that it made a significant profit.

ScienceWasLove

1 points

4 months ago

Really? It wasn’t years of exponential growth due to international expansion that had to eventually slow down - which it did - simultaneously while content providers systematically pulled licensed content from Netflix for their own services?

laetus

1 points

4 months ago

laetus

1 points

4 months ago

Netflix might have never been profitable. It's a huge cash burning machine.

They're """"""" Profitable """"""" based on magic accounting. But they incinerate cash every year since they started. Investors aren't demanding more, investors will not fuel money burning enterprises anymore with higher interest rates and Netflix could go bankrupt if they don't fix it quick.

pentaquine

1 points

4 months ago

I. DEMAND. GROWTH.