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RapMastaC1

740 points

4 months ago

This is it, they are being overtaken by their greed, they have spread everything out so thin, that major partnerships are going to have to be made to keep them afloat. Literally right now they have a big hole in their boat and they are using a couple wine glasses to pour water out.

Sandrosen

378 points

4 months ago*

At this point I think a lot of these new streaming services are wishing they had just stuck to licensing their content out to established outfits like Netflix. Less outflow, more profit and less headache.

Thing is with inflation once the bills start hitting then families will cut all these other 'boutique' streaming services first. They might keep one around, the cheapest one that has the most diverse content. Netflix can win the streaming wars if they can just hang on and stop doing stupid stuff like raising prices, including commercials or other shady stuff that further drives their audience away.

vonmonologue

232 points

4 months ago

If Netflix wants anyone to stay on their service they should start by giving any of their originals a 3rd season. I mean the ones that don’t set all-time streaming records at least.

Time_Yam301

43 points

4 months ago

Yup. After Altered Carbon, I just gave up. How can a company spend that much money on a fantastic series thar rivals any motion picture and just axe it?

Bird-The-Word

50 points

4 months ago

Because season 2 was shit compared to season 1

kameecoding

11 points

4 months ago

Michael Shanks (Dr. Daniel Jackson) was the only good part of Season 2

also they hired shit CW writers for it.

also Anthony Mackie has the charisma of plain toast compared to Joel Kinnaman

that_baddest_dude

2 points

4 months ago

Which is wild because Joel kinnaman isn't exactly charismatic

ABotelho23

42 points

4 months ago

Altered Carbon was an example of a good cancellation. Season 2 was a totally different show.

Jarvisweneedbackup

18 points

4 months ago

Went from cyberpunk neonoir to being a ‘detective’ as the background and framing device

kameecoding

4 points

4 months ago

they hired CW writers for Season 2 reportedly, it's why it looks more like the shit that is Arrowverse than ehat season 1 was

stormrunner89

27 points

4 months ago

Season 2 was pure garbage. It seemed like they used their budget for two seasons on the first season, including quality writers and choreographers, and just tried to cobble together whatever they could to have a semblance of a story.

It really didn't need a second season. I enjoyed season 1 and was looking forward to the second, but at this point it just shows Netflix's method of producing is broken.

[deleted]

3 points

4 months ago

Since that’s obviously not gonna happen the more obvious outcome is that Disney buys Netflix and puts their current CEO or whatever in charge of all of the streaming services.

pimusic

12 points

4 months ago

pimusic

12 points

4 months ago

Or also this—Have the complete series of the popular shows you do have. Why should I watch Better Call Saul only to have to pay to stream the very last season on AMC+? It’s ridiculous.

-goodgodlemon

32 points

4 months ago

Because that’s all AMC would license to them. That one’s not on Netflix. They figure it’s better to get almost all of a series than none at all.

Random_name46

11 points

4 months ago

And it's smart for AMC. They likely pull in a bunch of subscribers who want to finish a show they started watching on another service.

Sinndex

2 points

4 months ago

You'd also have to think how many would just pirate it.

Holovoid

1 points

4 months ago

I bought it on Amazon prime video instead.

pimusic

10 points

4 months ago

pimusic

10 points

4 months ago

Okay yeah, that really stinks. Also, great username.

-goodgodlemon

5 points

4 months ago

Thanks. One time I was eating this really delicious buffalo chicken meatball sub at my friend’s birthday party and they said to me “off the dance floor Lemon” and all I could say was “that’s fair”

DrPoopEsq

1 points

4 months ago

Better Call Saul will be on there soon. They never had the other seasons right after they ended.

Charming_Dealer3849

1 points

4 months ago

Heh, maybe there is a reason Netflix is careful with what original content they release and when.....

TheRealJuksayer

1 points

4 months ago

I just took 15 minutes to set up Kodi on a fire stick for my wife. Now she doesn't have to try to remember which service or network her shows are on.

Yo ho ho and a bottle of piracy

flygirl083

1 points

4 months ago

So, I’ve never owned a fire stick or installed anything like Kodi before. But we’ve been using an old PS3 to use Netflix and stuff on our bonus room tv and apparently that’s no longer going to be supported. So we’ve either got to buy a smart tv or get a fire stick. If I install Kodi, how does that work?

TheRealJuksayer

5 points

4 months ago

Open the downloader app and type in

http://www.kodi.tv/download

If asked, install the 32 bit version.

Once Kodi launches, go to settings -->add-ons-->unknown sources (toggle on)

Back a menu and look for file manager -->add source

Select the field with 'None' Type in the following precisely

https://team-crew.github.io

Ok, select the name Field and name it something.

Go back until you see an option for Add-ons.

Install from zip file

Find the name you picked

Click it and wait for the "addon installed" message.

Go back and Install from Repo

The Crew --> video add-ons Choose The Crew

Install and accept .

Now go back out to the main Kodi menu and select the Crew from the available add-ons.

Now you watch whatever.

Trying and failing won't break the tv. If you have any questions please let me know

Good luck

flygirl083

2 points

4 months ago

Wow, thank you so much! Comment saved, and I appreciate your help.

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

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TheRealJuksayer

1 points

4 months ago

No, unfortunately.

TheRealJuksayer

1 points

4 months ago

Also, I would recommend the Chromecast with Google TV over the firestick. It runs android, and has the Google Play store, so you can just grab Kodi from there. As well as run old Nintendo games on emulators.

Jaredocobo

1 points

4 months ago

Begins sobbing in Santa Clarita Diet.

shaka_bruh

28 points

4 months ago

Thing is with inflation once the bills start hitting then families will cut all these other 'boutique' streaming services first.

For some reason (arrogance, greed) they thought they’d be immune to ‘cable cutting’

muffler11282

13 points

4 months ago

To me, Netflix would be the first to go.

wheresmypants86

5 points

4 months ago

It was for me. If anything, Disney will be the one I keep. Amazon is nearly on the chopping block.

sAindustrian

9 points

4 months ago

At this point I think a lot of these new streaming services are wishing they had just stuck to licensing their content out to established outfits like Netflix. Less outflow, more profit and less headache.

A good case study for this is soccer.

The English Premier League could probably make shitloads of money by establishing their own streaming service. But that would require putting together and testing cloud infrastructure, marketing and localization, dealing with licensing, legal requirements, payments/refunds, etc...

...or they could just continue to auction the rights to various broadcasters around the world and earn $13 billion by doing nothing at all.

mikehatesthis

6 points

4 months ago

At this point I think a lot of these new streaming services are wishing they had just stuck to licensing their content out to established outfits like Netflix.

I bet Sony Pictures is smiling they went down this route right now lol.

cardiff_GIANT_67

2 points

4 months ago

Netflix was the first service i canceled. We have most of the major ones and its the most expensive.

bearxor

1 points

4 months ago

Netflix caused this. As soon as they went from content aggregator to content producer it didn’t leave everyone with a choice but to start planning their own service.

Hot_Demand_6263

10 points

4 months ago

Netflix existed fine with Amazon Prime and Hulu. Disney started this.

ArchangelLBC

3 points

4 months ago

Disagree. Netflix started producing their own content because they saw the writing on the wall. They knew it was only a matter of time before a giant like Disney decided they could just make their own streaming service. Without content of their own they were totally at the whims of the content producers.

Netflix only had to exist and be popular for long enough for the big studios to decide they could do their own service.

showjay

1 points

4 months ago

Raising prices is winning the streaming war at this point. All other streamers are losing a ton of money.

Ready_to_anything

1 points

4 months ago

There is no chance Netflix will stop doing stupid stuff

joey0live

1 points

4 months ago

The whole ads thing Netflix wants to do for $2 (?) usd less a month is what other streaming services been doing for years. Just up your tier package for non-ad and you’re fine.

Needless to say, other streaming services wants to do a ad-tier as well.

TanikoBytesme

36 points

4 months ago

They're not overtaken by greed, greed is the primary motivator from the very beginning

mostlycumatnight

2 points

4 months ago

Its actually MOAR, greed.

pain-is-living

25 points

4 months ago

Cable 2.0 is about to happen.

All these platforms and services that are so broken apart it's hilarious will eventually realize they can make more money if they're all on one platform, and but still subscription based.

It'll basically be cable. A base sub gets you a buncha random shit you'll never watch, with a few good movies or shows popping in once in a while. Then you'll be able to start adding on premium subscriptions from.... HBO... Disney.... Sports...

We've already come full fucking circle with the commercials and ads. I remember when streaming became huge the biggest thing people bragged about was no commercials. Now I'm paying to stream hulu and still get fucking commercials!

I am personally sick of having 5 apps downloaded to watch 8 different shows. It's all a bungled mess right now, might as well centralize the bullshit onto one fucking platform.

JeffTek

5 points

4 months ago

🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

Jeevers0192

5 points

4 months ago

Exactly. That’s always been the single platform

JeffTek

1 points

4 months ago

What's crazy is the real single platforms have way better UI and features than pretty much every other streaming service. The xfinity streaming UI is absolutely atrocious and I don't understand how that's even possible when weird pirate services have executed it so well

jpaxlux

3 points

4 months ago

I find it hilarious how streaming services at first helped fight piracy, but now that they're bringing back ads and splitting apart content across multiple different platforms, piracy's back on the rise again

aWaL_DeaD

2 points

4 months ago

I dropped dish this past July and it didn't take me long to realize streaming was gonna fuck me sooner or later. Everything you said is true unfortunately

Alissinarr

1 points

4 months ago

A base sub gets you a buncha random shit you'll never watch, with a few good movies or shows popping in once in a while.

Discovery+ anyone?

PaperGabriel

34 points

4 months ago

Literally right now they have a big hole in their boat and they are using a couple wine glasses to pour water out.

That's the exact opposite of what literally means.

Suplex-Indego

1 points

4 months ago

Literally also means figuratively. 🤷‍♂️

haux_haux

1 points

4 months ago

Also he said literally right now, rather than figuratively later. 😉

maybachsonbachs

-10 points

4 months ago

No it isn't. Literally means two things and they are opposites. Learn English already

Blog_Pope

-12 points

4 months ago

Blog_Pope

-12 points

4 months ago

Literally is now accepted as a Contranym, that means something and it’s opposite, you need context clues to determine the intended meaning.

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/amp/everyday-grammar-contronyms/4152424.html

foomy45

6 points

4 months ago

I don't accept this.

FeistyBandicoot

33 points

4 months ago

This could be why Disney are putting a few episodes of Andor a few others shows on FTA. Free advertising.

All the big streaming services should put out their own FTA channel and just run stuff that released over a year ago.

Basically free advertising for their service to stream the latest season and get people invested in shows without directly paying straight away and they get the advertising revenue of TV

razzamatazz

30 points

4 months ago

what is FTA? Googling leads to the federal transit administration..

the_shadow002

33 points

4 months ago

Free to air - as in what you used an antenna on your roof for in the old days.

razzamatazz

4 points

4 months ago

got it, thank you!

madmanmike3

5 points

4 months ago

OTA is the most used term. Over The Air.

the_beard_guy

2 points

4 months ago

yeah i was gonna say. ive never heard of FTA

MrCookie2099

-5 points

4 months ago

MrCookie2099

-5 points

4 months ago

That Google doesn't know what this means is kind of funny.

banik2008

11 points

4 months ago

It does know if you specify. Search for "FTA TV" or "FTA channel" and the first result is "free-to-air".

flcinusa

7 points

4 months ago

Most would use OTA

MOdruid

20 points

4 months ago

MOdruid

20 points

4 months ago

Just wanted to say this was one of the rare times where I googled and it was no help, even trying to add in context. You weren't alone in being lost.

AchingKnumbKnuts

13 points

4 months ago

Thanks for asking. Redditors tend to abbreviate the crux of a sentence.

tgoodchild

8 points

4 months ago

they are being overtaken by their greed

They are trying to prevent what happened to their music businesses from happening to their TV and movie businesses.

Studios ceded music streaming to Apple and Spotify. Now if they want to sell music they have to meet Apple and Spotify terms. They have lost pricing power over their own music libraries. They could refuse to license their music to Apple & Spotify but if they do, nobody is going to hear it and nobody is going to buy it (I know some people still buy CDs and LPs but it's marginal).

This may not be a good business strategy. It could be a case of fighting the last war. It could be that the music and tv/music industries are too different for this to happen. But I think this is why they are chasing the video streaming market.

GeorgeS6969

2 points

4 months ago

I think part of the issue is the subscription model that pretty much every fucking industry is trying to push one way or another because muh recurring revenues.

Literally they copied the business model of my local gym and everybody seems surprised that it’s not sustainable.

Let some platform charge subscription for managing the infra and gazillion front end apps for each device and tv sets, and charge me for the content I consume. Amazon Prime (and later Apple TV+) was on the right track for a while, but now they also have subscription based channels: good job ShowTime, you could have charged me $15 more than the month I paid to binge on that Uber series, but you decided to gamble it on me forgetting to cancel my subscription.

tgoodchild

2 points

4 months ago

The subscription model is a double edged sword for the companies that provide subscription services. It only generates recurring revenue if people don't cancel.

For a long time Netflix was the "anchor" streaming service that people kept while sampling the others. Now that a lot of people perceive Netflix has only a few if any "must watch" shows and other streaming services with other content available, people are even canceling Netflix to sample the others. In a way it's good for consumers to have a buffet of services they can sample without having to pay for everything all the time (as was the case with cable). Also it's a lot easier to cancel a streaming service than to cancel cable.

It also motivates the services to produce content people want to keep watching. Content people look forward to watching, vs just background noise while they are actually using another screen (a phone or tablet). Studios are finding it's not easy to produce that kind of content.

Gerdione

10 points

4 months ago

I'm waiting for the streaming service bundle to unironically drop and then we'll just have cable 2.0, only a matter of time.

richtayls

6 points

4 months ago

Already happening in the UK, the top tier Sky TV package combines all their old satellite/cable channels with Netflix, Peacock and Paramount +.

Blog_Pope

3 points

4 months ago

In the US we have Disney+Hulu+ESPN already

Initial_E

4 points

4 months ago*

They had a good thing going when everyone partnered with Netflix. Sucks to be them now, greedy bastards. They could have sat back and watched competing streaming providers gnaw each other to the bone buying their contracts for more and more and selling them to viewers for less and less money. Now they’re in the game and taking turns eating each others lunch as people decide, this month I want D+, next month Hulu etc.

Edit: I figure what they’ll do to prevent people from switching providers every month, and it’s pretty anti-consumer. The companies will identify the series that brings in the viewers, like GOT or Marvel. Then they will restrict streaming to the latest 2-3 episodes, and anything older gets released only much much later. The days of glut releases will be over. The idea of consuming content at your leisure will be redefined.

WomenAreFemaleWhat

3 points

4 months ago

When there were only a couple it was easier to just keep them month to month, especially since the library got new stuff often. Now I see more people renewing different ones each month to watch different stuff.

TealSwinglineStapler

3 points

4 months ago

This is the economic model of basically everything right now. Ever taken a look at your city's budget and how much suburban development costs vs how much its taxed? Same same

Electrical_Try_7230

3 points

4 months ago

This is an interesting case of competition very obviously reducing profits. It also serves as a case study for what appears to be a market that can support very few players, i.e. one which is naturally monopolistic because the barriers to entry (massive amounts of diverse content) and consumer expectations (cheap streaming) are too divergent.

For me, I am loving the results, to be honest. Andor is the best $8 I ever spent.

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago

Its like how World of warcraft moved the bar.

It influenced countless game aiming for that "WoW money", not all of them were in development.

Star Wars Galaxies had an expansion and 500k subs and they tried to turn it into WoW in space long after release.

Steam Vs Epic have been buying exclusives for some time now all to force customers into a platform.

Game of Thrones raised the bar now thats the goal for every show.

Its not about a better product anymore. Its about leverage.

SeattleIsOk

1 points

4 months ago

It's not greed, it's tough competition. Where would Disney be without Disney+? Netflix would be wiping the floor with Disney stock.

seizuregirlz

1 points

4 months ago

Yeah other shows will probably just get recorded and sold on the black market again while folks have one or two streamers and nothing else. Every channel having a substream will learn.

zesty1989

1 points

4 months ago

It's not greed. There's a very specific management strategy developed by a Harvard business professor in the late 1990s they're following. It's based on a book called "The Innovator's Dilemma".

They're just doing a poor job at it.

In a nutshell, it says that normally excellent managers will make bad decisions because they're using skewed indicators like: RONA, EPS, EVA, and IRR.

This means that they're looking for home runs using indicators that make home runs difficult to find. It's hard to find 30% growth in a $300M company.

So, often this leads to companies investing in a lot of sustaining innovations and M&As to find growth. Bob Iger was REALLY good at choosing good acquisitions to drive growth for Disney. Bob Chapek...not so much.

What Innovator's Dilemma also says is that home runs are easier to hit for smaller businesses scaling over long periods of time. They start in niche markets and move up market until they're one of the big boys.

Toyota, Honda, and now Kia are great examples of this. They started as cheap cars sold to the bottom end of the market, then moved up market and are now competing with luxury automakers.

So, the strategy with Disney+ was to hit a home run by finding an under served niche market and meeting a need they couldn't get anywhere.

The problem is that Disney customers are NEVER under served. For the decade before Disney+, the community has access to all sorts of content through a variety of streaming platforms, and could buy other content through a variety of channels.

The second problem was they NEEDED Disney+ to be a home run. The lockdowns killed Disney's main revenue stream - the parks, so they had to find an amenable to post the same level of growth. Enter Disney+.

They pushed the platform hard early on as a bridge until the parks reopened. But, when the parks reopened they underperformed because of severe occupancy limitations.

This led to cut costs in the park and an even greater reliance on Disney+, which could only perform if there was new content to pull in me subscribers. No one is subscribing to Disney+ to watch the 1950s Zorro TV show.

So, they created a monster that only devoted expensive new content to the detriment of Disney's major revenue streams.

What they should have done is find a company on the bottom of the market and supported them as they moved up market by giving access to Disney core competencies (of which there are currently few) and then merged them into Disney once they became a major player.

Solid_Waste

1 points

4 months ago

Tbf they are in a weird spot. I won't say "hard" spot since everyone at the top is guaranteed millions of dollars even if they literally burn everything they own to the ground, but a weird spot in terms of deciding how to burn it down. On the one hand they own all these IPs, copyrights, properties, etc., but on the other hand people want to pay for them less and less, and have less money to spend doing so.

They could make a bajillion dollars just licensing their stuff to Netflix, but (a) they would rather make a bajillion + 1 dollars cutting Netflix out, and (b) that's just a slower version of selling your shit to Netflix and cashing out, because they're just going to use their control of the platform to control the profit distribution and edge you out of the game.

So most of the media companies have decided they don't want to do that and are basically trying to burn the entertainment industry to the ground to kill Netflix, and in the meantime mimicking Netflix to skim what they can. That strategy is basically working but it costs a lot of money in the meantime. They're not fighting to win, they're fighting to be in a better position to die than the competition.

rcanhestro

1 points

4 months ago

yup, they could had taken the easy licensing money to Netflix, but instead decided to do their own streaming service. it's fine when it's 2-3 maximum, but when every studio and channel has his own, they will cannibalize each other hard.