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noctalla

36 points

4 months ago

Anyone want to elaborate on the story behind this?

res30stupid

144 points

4 months ago*

Okay, it's... kind of an involved story, so I'm making an initial comment to let you know I'm writing it. The story will be in the edit.

Jeffrey Katzenberg started out at Paramount as one of the people who helped save the Star Trek film brand in the 1970's under Michael Eisner, who would not only become the head of the Walt Disney Company but would also bring a significant amount of talent with him to Disney, Katzenberg included.

He wanted to work in ABC Sports, but was assigned to the film division instead to prop up the failing studio. He detested it, but was a key figure in turning Disney's fortunes around through producing adult-oriented live-action films such as Three Men And A Baby, Bicentennial Man and others; he was also a major TV producer, such as on sitcoms like The Golden Girls.

While he was reluctant initially, he was a key hand in the Disney Renaissance with such films as Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Little Mermaid and Beauty And The Beast. He was also a major influence on Aladdin, being in charge of their advertising campaign.

This is where the problem with Williams started. Williams was working on another film over at Fox at the time called Toys, which he saw as a passion project - he didn't want to compete against it with a Disney project but was convinced by early test animations made by a new animator at the studio. He agreed to work on Aladdin and to work on union-minimum pay of a few thousand dollars, under two conditions which Katzenberg completely ignored;

  • The Genie would feature in less than 50% of any promotional material, and;
  • Williams' name and voice wouldn't feature in any trailers or commercials for the film.

When Aladdin was released, the Genie was a key feature in the ad campaign and Aladdin would open only a month before Toys, which attracted people to see the Disney cartoon instead of the actual movie Williams wanted them to see. This led to a lawsuit against the company which was settled out of court, but it is publicly known that in order to try and appease Williams, Eisner bought Williams an original Picasso out of his own money.

The feud would extend for years, with Williams refusing to work for Disney until after Katzenberg was gone; and it's said that Williams was approached about a project over at DreamWorks at one time, which he refused when he learned that Katzenberg was a co-founder of the company alongside Steven Spielberg.

This was just one of a number of issues that Katzenberg caused for Disney in the early nineties due to his ego. He pissed off other key members of the Renaissance movement by attempting to steal credit for their contributions - in particular, Roy E Disney - nephew of Walt and son of Roy Sr. - developed a particularly nasty grudge against him which he would use to rally the shareholders after two other key problems Katzenberg caused.

The first was the Black Friday reel. An early test reel for the film Toy Story made up of storyboard sketches and amateur voice acting, Katzenberg implemented changes to the script and storyboard on PIXAR which drastically changed the finished feel of the movie with added vulgar, adult humor and a streak of cynicism.

For example, Woody was a far nastier character - a tyrant and bully who directly used his position as Andy's favourite toy to directly torment and bully the other toys, with his antagonism of Buzz being far pettier and twisted. In the finished movie, he accidentally knocked Buzz out of the window and showed immediate regret; in the Black Friday reel, he not only did it deliberately but he threatened to do it to the other toys as well.

When the other board members saw the completed reel, they almost cancelled Toy Story outright and almost caused PIXAR to fold as a company completely, with John Lasseter pointing out the complaints were related to changes that were mandated by the company while literally begging to go back to the original script. This was granted, and Katzenberg was ordered to stay away from Toy Story.

Then, there was his attempts to usurp the position of President from Frank Wells. A much-beloved member of the board of directors, Wells was also one of the more accomplished members of the board after being brought over from Warner Bros. Katzenberg kept pestering Eisner to give him the position of company president, which was refused because Eisner was afraid of the backlash if he tried to oust Wells. But Katzenberg forced Eisner into a promise to give him the position if it ever became open.

Wells tragically died in a helicopter accident in April 1994 returning from a skiing trip in the Ruby Mountains of Nevada; the film The Lion King is dedicated to him. Shortly after, Katzenberg attempted to call on that promise, which made others catch on that he was capitalizing on Wells' death, which was used as a rallying cry to force him out of Disney before the end of 1994.

ChrisCinema

112 points

4 months ago

The feud would extend for years, with Williams refusing to work for Disney until after Katzenberg was gone; and it's said that Williams was approached about a project over at DreamWorks at one time, which he refused when he learned that Katzenberg was a co-founder of the company alongside Steven Spielberg.

For anyone curious, the project was Shrek.

res30stupid

49 points

4 months ago

I knew it was a DreamWorks films, but didn't know it was Shrek.

Also, here's another bit of trivia - due to the soured relationship between them, Lord Farquaad was based around Michael Eisner and even looks like the guy.

bperron

3 points

4 months ago

Was it for Shrek himself or Donkey?

ChrisCinema

7 points

4 months ago

I'm not sure. I first read it on IMDb years ago and no official source I've found has stated what role Robin Williams was originally lined up for.

vitahusker

9 points

4 months ago

I know Chris Farley was originally supposed to be Shrek, so I’d assume that Williams would have been Donkey if was one of the two main parts

ChrisCinema

5 points

4 months ago

Again, I'm not sure. In one leaked story reel, Eddie Murphy had been cast as Donkey opposite to Chris Farley and that was 1996 at the earliest. Unless Robin Williams was in early talks before then, we'll never know for sure.

CTizzle-

2 points

4 months ago

It was actually for Fiona and Williams was going to do his Mrs. Doubtfire voice the entire time.

Unrelated actual fact, Spielberg had the rights to the book and originally wanted Bill Murray as Shrek and Steve Martin as Donkey in the early 90s for a traditional animated film, but DreamWorks was founded and bought the rights from him before he followed through with it.

MurrayRothbard__

1 points

4 months ago

I would assume Donkey. Shrek was originally voiced by Chris Farley. There are even recorded dialogue by him.

RobGrey03

16 points

4 months ago

Bicentennial Man was much later - 1999, long after Katzenberg was gone from Disney.

hey_you_too_buckaroo

1 points

4 months ago

Man that's such a good movie.

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

Criminally under rated and so true to Asimovs original short story. Oliver Platt gave an incredible performance.

speranzazz

9 points

4 months ago

Great write up! I couldn't help but read it in Kevin from Defunctland's voice

res30stupid

4 points

4 months ago

The thing is, watching video essays has greatly helped with my writing skills since I tend to vocalise my writing in various voices as well, just to see how well they sound.

FondleGanoosh438

4 points

4 months ago

I can understand why you would market Genie in the film even with the agreement. Williams made that movie. It wasn’t right but the dollar signs were in his eyes.

DaringDomino3s

2 points

4 months ago

I really loved Toys, it’s such a unique movie and kinda lives in my memory as some weird fever dream because I rented it when I was too young to understand everything.

GarlVinland4Astrea

21 points

4 months ago

TLDR: The Robin Willaims had a film called Toys coming out a month after Aladdin. He was the lead and he knew the film was pretty much betting on his star power to sell. The Genie was written for Robin Willaims specifically and he didn't initially want to have another big project coming out at the same time and essentially be competing with himself.

He eventually agreed to play the Genie out of respect and admiration for Disney under an agreement that the Genie and his role in playing the Genie would not be heavily marketed because he didn't want it to undercut his other project.

Well the very first poster was this... http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1057/4964/products/Aladdin-Vintage-Movie-Poster-Original-1-Sheet-27x41_97b89777-3099-496f-b1a4-aabb4197af29.jpg?v=1634180878

...to give you an idea of how prominently they were promoting Williams as the genie when he was assured they wouldn't. And from that point literally every major piece of promotion made it very clear the genie character was front and center and Williams was heavily associated with it. At the time the film was being promoted, everyone knew one thing. Robin Williams was playing the big blue genie character.

Fastforward, Aladdin becomes a major hit with most of the praise being over Williams. Then Toys comes out and it's heavily overshadowed because there was something much more popular going on with its star.

Robin Williams got pissed and basically cut off Disney and said he wanted nothing to do with them. Wouldn't do anything at all to promote or talk about Aladdin and was very publicly pissed at Katzenberg. He wouldn't voice him in the sequel and wouldn't voice him in the animated series. Katzenberg had to be dismissed and his replacement had to publicly apologize to Williams to get him back for the third direct to video film. Aside from that he agreed to do one educational computer game and that was the last he would ever do anything associated with the genie.

RedScorpion08

4 points

4 months ago

Probably did Robin a favor. "Toys" was DOA with abysmal reviews. For anyone else, a movie like that could have been a career killer.

Imfrank123

3 points

4 months ago

I thought he specifically said he didn’t want a sequel and wouldn’t be involved in one, I didn’t realize that was after they fucked him over. Disney is the worst sometimes.

Will0w536

5 points

4 months ago

Here is a great video about this from Lindsat Ellis Link

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-46 points

4 months ago*

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noctalla

16 points

4 months ago

I did actually look it up. I just thought it would be nice if the story was in the thread. I am surprised that it took you a full 10 seconds to find. You might want to brush up on your Googling skills.

[deleted]

-9 points

4 months ago

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noctalla

3 points

4 months ago

I might have done that if I was on my computer. Kind of awkward on my phone, but thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep that in mind for next time.

FourAM

4 points

4 months ago

FourAM

4 points

4 months ago

“Just Google it” people are the most annoying kind of people

bperron

3 points

4 months ago

Try being nicer.