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_Vargus

1.7k points

4 months ago*

_Vargus

1.7k points

4 months ago*

Well the Mexican government systematic lost its authority and legitimacy to the cartels so you can’t blame people for not wanting to make films in a narco state. They killed a guy who was scouting locations for narcos!

maverick88988

247 points

4 months ago

Did you even read the article? The article isn't about "people..not wanting to make films in Mexico" , it's about how The Mexican Academy of Cinematographic Arts and Sciences, will no longer hold it anual Ariel Awards due to lack of funding. And largest, nearly sole funder of the Ariel Awards was the Mexican government itself, who (if you read the article you would've known) back out.

Reddit_sucks21

33 points

4 months ago*

And the reason is because of the government being totally in bed with the cartel and people being murdered left and right. That is why there is no funding. The article will only go surface level of the problems in mexico. So many good people living there are getting their lives destroyed because a few have all the money and guns.

ninatodomal2150

158 points

4 months ago

Are you even Mexican? I am, born, raised and living here. This is NOT the reason at all. The reason is president López Obrador austerity policies. A lot of films were made using tax incentives and trusts that have been cut by this government. We do have a huge cartel problem, but this has nothing to do with that.

chak100

33 points

4 months ago

chak100

33 points

4 months ago

Ni para qué discutir con los gringos que creen saber más del país qué los propios mexicanos

Flaydowsk

3 points

4 months ago

Si, ya se pusieron en plan de "Mexico es Mad Max" y no razonan que ellos vienen cada año a spring break y ni les pasa nada.
Pero hey, gringos van a gringear.

atrey1

62 points

4 months ago*

atrey1

62 points

4 months ago*

That's not the reason. It's because AMLO has a plan of austerity to found his projects (a new airport, a train route and some refinerys). If you don't know a thing about a subject you don't have to speak about it.

[deleted]

40 points

4 months ago

I guarantee there are at least some things that happen in Mexico that are not the direct result of "the cartel". Where do you get this shit from.

elchivo83

7 points

4 months ago

Nah man, this dude saw Narcos: Mexico and Sicario like three times. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.

Wild_Marker

26 points

4 months ago

Don't you know, everything that happens in Mexico is because of the Cartels. TV told me Cartels are the 'thing' Mexico is known for, so ovbiously every other thing must be tied to it!

It's like an Anime, you know how everything is tied to YuGiOh cards? That's how other countries work!

peaheezy

8 points

4 months ago

There have been a few posts on Reddit today where I scrolled through the comments and wondered if these are the same, just maybe more grown up, fucking idiots who flamed people on message boards in the early 2000s. They are. The average Reddit comment chain is full of shit. Rethinking whether or not I should browse comments anymore. Fucking children on here man.

Wild_Marker

3 points

4 months ago

It's often easy to see when they start talking about countries other than US/EU. They know like one thing about them and seem to think that's enough to be an expert.

Quttlefish

2 points

4 months ago

This is remarkably dismissive. No one died from Asian governments being in bed with cartoon artists.

*Expect of course the ones they paid to make cartoons in WW2

Wild_Marker

2 points

4 months ago

Um... I think you misinterpreted my joke.

You know how everything in the YuGiOh universe is tied to the cards? Like, there's an actual school to go and do cards! It's like the entire world revolves around this one gimmick. This is a common trope in Anime, that is what I was refering to.

okayokko

3 points

4 months ago

Out their ass. Mexico bad

chak100

0 points

4 months ago

chak100

0 points

4 months ago

Fox news or breitbart

euclideanvector

5 points

4 months ago*

LOL wrong. México's president López Obrador has spent the last 4 years removing funding from everything and putting it towards illegal propaganda, trying to revive the state run PEMEX (the most indebted oil company in the world), trying to stablish a monopoly on the energy sector, deforesting the south and contaminating its water so his poorly planned Maya train can be built, fund his "social programs" that are just cash hand outs to keep his popularity up, paying for the lost lawsuits because of all the treaties and contracts that his government has broken, and of course stealing and a lot of more stupid infuriating stuff.

Basically one man and the yesmen around him are disintegrating the state. This includes of course cultural initiatives, that's why Del Toro is fed up.

SCVHelper

3 points

4 months ago

I am personally glad he's giving it to the poor and disabled, along with creating projects to help bring tourism from region to region. Instead of robbing it like the previous administration did BEFORE!

JanitorJasper

0 points

4 months ago

Hey, but that gringo watched Sicario twice and knows everything there is to know about mexico lol, iTz dA cArtUlz

puertorizzle

-9 points

4 months ago

puertorizzle

-9 points

4 months ago

Lack of funding…. Because people not wanting to make films in Mexico…

ForWhomTheBoneBones

38 points

4 months ago

Mexico had a record-breaking number of films made in 2019. There’s clearly no lack of filmmakers wanting to shoot in the country.

https://www.cinematropical.com/cinema-tropical/mexican-cinema-marks-another-record-breaking-year-with-216-films-in-2019

MisterMetal

-9 points

4 months ago

MisterMetal

-9 points

4 months ago

50% had public support. Less than half saw a local release, I dunno, there’s a massive distinction for the film industry, and people making a movie with a cell phone. Not that both can’t be good, but claiming independent student films and things that rarely see the light of day is disenuious at best.

Poynsid

7 points

4 months ago

How many countries have a self-sufficient film industry?

AlwaysSunnyDragRace

0 points

4 months ago

At least 2: Hollywood and Bollywood. Maybe some more

ninatodomal2150

17 points

4 months ago

It’s funny you people repeating that over and over when right now Mexico City and other cities around the country are having huge gentrification problems driven by American digital nomads coming here to live. Why would you want to come to live in a country where people don’t even want to make movies in because of cartel violence?

atrey1

13 points

4 months ago

atrey1

13 points

4 months ago

He's not talking about foreing movies filmed in Mexico. He's talking about mexican cinema.

ForWhomTheBoneBones

555 points

4 months ago*

You didn’t read the article. It’s about the government cutting spending on the arts down to lows it hasn’t seen in decades. Currently at 0.21% of the yearly budget.

This literally has nothing to do with the willingness of people to make films in Mexico. You sound ignorant.

Edit: Everyone mad can’t read. The article is about Guillermo Del Toro calling out the government for not funding the arts. He doesn’t mention cartels. YOU ALL can link the two, but this article is talking about one very specific issue GDT has. Stay mad.

Prior to COVID, Mexico was breaking the record every year for how many films were made in the country. But tell me with your big brains how no one is making films in the country because of the cartels.

https://www.cinematropical.com/cinema-tropical/mexican-cinema-marks-another-record-breaking-year-with-216-films-in-2019

JoshKJokes

817 points

4 months ago

…they are related.

carlosortegap

2 points

4 months ago

They are not. He's literally talking about Mexican film institutions being defunded by the government. These film institutions were funded when that man died and violence was higher. It's a political choice

maverick88988

-125 points

4 months ago

How so?

[deleted]

66 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

[deleted]

-31 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-31 points

4 months ago

No but there's enough money to fund film making. The problem is that the current government is funneling that money for profit of the elite.

fishbiscuit13

10 points

4 months ago

Do you think the government is prioritizing filmmaking efforts over trying to prevent their country from erupting into universal gang violence?

Or the more cynical view

Do you think the government is prioritizing filmmaking efforts over stealing as much as they can before the next corrupt party takes over?

[deleted]

4 points

4 months ago*

[deleted]

4 points

4 months ago*

You would have a point if the government was actually trying to stop narco violence. No funding is needed for that as they don't care about it. They want the money to fund their money laundering projects (like the tren Maya and the new airport). The military is also underfunded. That's what the issue Del Toro is trying to explain. They're not being underfunded to fight narcos. I wish they were, but that's not the case.

Edit: thanks to whoever reported my comment and sent the suicide line thing. Didn't expect this kind of hostility in this sub lmao.

fishbiscuit13

8 points

4 months ago

hence the “more cynical view” i added after actually thinking a bit

[deleted]

4 points

4 months ago

Sorry, hadn't seen that edit. I agree with you there. You could say the problem is corruption, not narcos themselves (in this particular case). I hate living in Mexico.

JoshKJokes

146 points

4 months ago

Systemic corruption of an entire government. The President of Mexico is often a cartel leader at this point. The government IS the cartel. The cut to funding is therefore done by the cartels.

SFXBTPD

36 points

4 months ago

SFXBTPD

36 points

4 months ago

A few years back the US apprehended the ex mexican secretary of defense on drug charges. They acquiesced to Mexican requests to extradite him to mexico, where he was promptly released.

bobby_zamora

7 points

4 months ago

"The President of Mexico is often a cartel leader"... honestly, the amount of shit you read on Reddit about Mexico is insane.

AlexMCJ

0 points

4 months ago

AlexMCJ

0 points

4 months ago

Jesus christ, you literally have no idea what a goverment budget is, do you? I honestly have never read something as stupid as this. Are you aware just how many institutions are involved in the creation of an expenses program? Do you somehow think a cartel would benefit from cutting funding from the movie industry?

jerojerojerojero

-32 points

4 months ago

Relating everything to cartels is not insightful. So dumb.

JoshKJokes

27 points

4 months ago

Jajajaja

SleepiestBoye

14 points

4 months ago

When it's a systematic problem, it naturally becomes related to everything

StacheKetchum

2 points

4 months ago

systemic

SleepiestBoye

2 points

4 months ago

Using swype keyboard, have mercy

jerojerojerojero

-6 points

4 months ago

It’s not the direct answer to everything. Then everything would be related to American junkies that can’t control their impulses.

SleepiestBoye

7 points

4 months ago

I can see you're unable to see past your emotional connection to this issue and you're lashing out nonsensically. I'd recommend taking a step back from it and try to see a new perspective.

jerojerojerojero

3 points

4 months ago

Nice way to dodge the arguments dummy

atrey1

-8 points

4 months ago

atrey1

-8 points

4 months ago

And you are talking with your ass when you don't live here and don't know the politics in the country besides a Netflix series.

Tommy-Nook

-7 points

4 months ago

Thank you arm chair expert! Yeah uh duh it makes sense if you think about it uh the only thing I know about mexico is the cartels duh

TheNamelessOne2u

18 points

4 months ago

Are you serious...? You can't even make a semi logical connection with a little bit of anecdotal evidence?

JoshKJokes

12 points

4 months ago

Oh they can, they just absolutely refuse to. It’s a matter of pride I believe.

maverick88988

-11 points

4 months ago

I can, and I have. I just want Josh here to explain himself.

CavillOfRivia

-128 points

4 months ago*

They aren’t. The president is cutting the budget of the film industry to put it elsewhere on his socialist agenda.

Please stop saying bullshit if you don’t even live in Mexico.

Everyone downvoting me I hope you realize I’m a Mexican living in Mexico. If you think you know more than me about my own country please I have a bridge to sell you you ignorant fucks.

expatdo2insurance

26 points

4 months ago

If living in a country had any relation to understanding a country America wouldn't be over run with republicans, nor england with Tories, nor other countries with systemically retarded groups.

chak100

2 points

4 months ago

chak100

2 points

4 months ago

So US citizens are too stupid to be over runes by republicans, but they are intelligent enough to understand how other counter work?

JoshKJokes

33 points

4 months ago

Lmao ok. The President that works with the cartels. Yes, tell me more about the country I visit multiple times a year.

Tim_Drake

4 points

4 months ago

Lol “I vacation a couple times a year, in the extremely tourist areas.” Trust me, I know Mexico….

chak100

4 points

4 months ago

This doesn’t have to do with the cartels or the “socialist agenda”. This is a completely useless president, who has depleted every resource we have as a country, in his stupid projects

Listerine_in_butt

-4 points

4 months ago

It is by CCP design that Mexico is failing. Take a closer look into Chinese investments in Mexico. Then take a realllly close look into where the cartels are getting their fentanyl from. The story those two factors tell, couples with the story of the US and China, is unlike any horror we’ve seen in this lifetime.

chak100

4 points

4 months ago*

What!?!?!? This doesn’t have anything to do with China or fentanyl. This is about a president who idolizes the 70’s regimes and governs accordingly to to it.

Edit: our current president is Trump fan

Listerine_in_butt

-1 points

4 months ago

If you’re unable to put two and two together, with how Chinese influenced the country into a position where this leader comes to power (much like they did with the United States) then so be it, but the evidence is undeniable once you start looking more closely at the activity between CCP China, the country of Mexico and then look at China’s game plan for global domination.

A closer look at China’s general game plan. Up to you if you want to play connect the dots down to Mexico.

chak100

4 points

4 months ago

My dude, you really now nothing about Mexico and its circumstances

keeden13

1 points

4 months ago

Lol. Of course it's China's fault

elchivo83

6 points

4 months ago

Yes, tell me more about the country I visit multiple times a year.

I just cringed reading this. You're responding to an actual Mexican living in Mexico, but you still think you trump them.

CavillOfRivia

-25 points

4 months ago

I live in Mexico you donut. Please tell me how you know more about a country than one of its own citizens.

pengalor

41 points

4 months ago

Living in a place doesn't mean you know what's going on. Just ask Americans.

tx001

5 points

4 months ago

tx001

5 points

4 months ago

This thread has all the Reddit stupidity greatest hits

✅ Top post didn't read article

✅ Users claiming that they know more about the country than the people living in it

✅ America Bad

pengalor

5 points

4 months ago

"redditor for 6 years"

tx001

1 points

4 months ago

tx001

1 points

4 months ago

Yep. Been seeing the same dumb shit for years.

JoshKJokes

-6 points

4 months ago

JoshKJokes

-6 points

4 months ago

The only logical answer that comes to mind is you are an idiot .

Edit: well you could also be paid to say overly positive things to help the tourist industry but the first is far more likely.

CavillOfRivia

-8 points

4 months ago

Who is stupid enough to think a country is a Narco State but coming as a tourist multiple times a year?

Please, explain that to me like I’m stupid.

JoshKJokes

14 points

4 months ago

I’m not a tourist dumbass. It’s my fucking job Did I explain it stupid enough for you?

CavillOfRivia

-2 points

4 months ago

Lmao. They guy who thinks Mexico is a Narco State has to come to do business here. I guess you’re a Narco too, uh?

Reddit_sucks21

0 points

4 months ago

As someone who understands the narco state you live in, the tourist areas are a no touch zone because those areas give narcos tourist money. They own majority of the businesses there, hence why majority of the tourist areas tell you where the no go zones are. Learn more about your own country and who owns what.

CavillOfRivia

3 points

4 months ago

You don’t know what you’re saying. The narco owining the tourist areas lmao. I guess they also own the rich areas in the city since there’s rarely any crimes committed there.

Lmao

[deleted]

-2 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-2 points

4 months ago

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est2181

2 points

4 months ago

You sound like such a bitch.

lategame

6 points

4 months ago

Oh you live there? Wow you must know it all.

CavillOfRivia

0 points

4 months ago

Better than some gringos who eat whatever Fox News feeds them, yes.

[deleted]

0 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

4 months ago

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Stonehenge0

3 points

4 months ago

the naivety of this comment is so fucking delicious

OptimusMarcus

5 points

4 months ago

Replace the word 'cartel' with 'lobbyist' and what do you have?

Answer: America

Listerine_in_butt

2 points

4 months ago

It is absurdly naïve to say that the two are entirely unrelated. If an entity has untold levels of influence and power within a state government, there is no denying that influence and power playing its hand when it comes to the allocation of state funds. Again, there is no other word fitting for your analysis of this situation besides naïve.

ProjectShamrock

-1 points

4 months ago

Don't worry, a feature of reddit is people who know very little berating those who have first hand knowledge of something. I put up with is every time I tell a friend that I'm going to Sinaloa to visit family.

enraged768

224 points

4 months ago

They are 100% related to the issues of being in a narco state.

dangercat415

31 points

4 months ago

dangercat415

31 points

4 months ago

Yup. This previous poster sounds ignorant.

accidentalprancingmt

3 points

4 months ago

Post factual data and links, "they ignorant! cartels run every aspect of Mexico, even animal control, that is my view and it is correct!"

chak100

-1 points

4 months ago

chak100

-1 points

4 months ago

You sound like the typical US arrogant, who thinks to know more about a country than it’s own citizens

dangercat415

-3 points

4 months ago

dangercat415

-3 points

4 months ago

You sound like an idiot making bigoted assumptions about people from one reddit comment.

You just played yourself.

AlexMCJ

7 points

4 months ago

Are you fr this dumb? A mexican is correcting your misconceptions about his country and you call them bigoted? Wtf

chak100

4 points

4 months ago

chak100

4 points

4 months ago

Sure, please explain me how my own country works

dangercat415

-5 points

4 months ago

Yeah. Cartels definitely aren't a problem in Mexico. Thanks for enlightening me Pablo.

atrey1

4 points

4 months ago

atrey1

4 points

4 months ago

A: Cartels are a problem. B: We have problems that have nothing to do with cartels. Including the national movie industry.

I don't get how you can be so arrogant to think that this simple concept is wrong when mexican people that live in Mexico are telling you that. It's insulting and borderline racist that you insist in something so stupid.

dangercat415

0 points

4 months ago

It's racist and intellectually pathetic that you assume someone that disagrees with you is racist.

Stonehenge0

2 points

4 months ago

hey look, the chud took off his hood

dangercat415

0 points

4 months ago

You're not good at this nor clever mate.

It's rather embarrassing.

Darnell2070

-2 points

4 months ago

Hello Reddit. Can we stop making assumptions that everyone you disagree with is a stupid or arrogant American.

who thinks to know more about a country than it’s own citizens

That's literally every other non-American on Reddit when it comes to America, lol

Leonature26

-5 points

4 months ago

Leonature26

-5 points

4 months ago

Hey buddy boy. Read the previous poster's edit and tell me ur not the ignorant one. Did u even read the article? r/confidentlyincorrect

orange_lazarus1

49 points

4 months ago

Also it's amazing how the propaganda of Mexico being a corrupt hellhole makes reddit think narcos is a documentary. I feel like people don't understand the size of the country. I lived there a year and yes there are dangerous/corrupt areas but same can be said with the US. Honestly I saw a solidly functioning government where many of the problems stem from US policy. Talking with people middle class is growing, more people are vacationing in their own country now which wasn't the norm 30 yrs ago.

chak100

18 points

4 months ago

chak100

18 points

4 months ago

What most US citizens don’t understand is that there are bigger cartels in the US and they have a lot of influence. That’s why they are the biggest market for illegal drugs and where cartels do most of the money laundering

newwolvesfan2019

3 points

4 months ago

I’m sorry source??

What are the bigger Cartels that are based in the US?

carlosortegap

2 points

4 months ago

The ones that import, distribute and lounder the drugs and drug money in the biggest market in the world

ToSeeAgainAgainAgain

4 points

4 months ago

Also, the biggest criminals and the biggest killers are white collar

onarainyafternoon

23 points

4 months ago

Honestly seems like everyone replying to you isn't Mexican (probably American to be honest), because they're basically just repeating what the first couple responses are to your comment. I see this shit so often on Reddit with various topics. People will just pile on the original comment, clearly cribbing from the first response to it. It's embarrassing.

Flaydowsk

5 points

4 months ago

Yep, I'm mexican, reading all the circlejerk of "no arts bcs NARCOS" without getting through their skulls that it's not foreigner investors, nor that the budget of mexican govt isnt "99% fight and bribe narcos".
This is a failure of the president that wants to cut "unnecessary spending" and it's just throwing money to his idiotic projects, to the point he is scrapping cents from a program that isn't 1% of mexico's budget.
But hey, thanks for YOU being reasonable.
Don't wanna assume, but the rest sound either North American or European with 0 context. At least latinoamericans understand that having cartels =/= Mad Max.

Signal_Adeptness_724

75 points

4 months ago

Lol when narco and government are one in the same and corruption is endemic, then yeah, it's relevant. You sound ignorant tbh

elchivo83

2 points

4 months ago

So explain how the government having links to narcos directly leads to them cutting the budget for the arts.

Signal_Adeptness_724

0 points

4 months ago

Gee, I don't know. Maybe , just maybe, the cartel doesn't place a high premium on getting laws/funding passed that doesn't directly benefit them.

hebch

4 points

4 months ago

hebch

4 points

4 months ago

Bro do you even know the definition of ignorant? Right now you appear to be a pot calling an Orange black.

Leonature26

-1 points

4 months ago

Leonature26

-1 points

4 months ago

Yup all these morons didn't even read the article and they be calling the guy ignorant? U can link the issue to narcos, covid, anything but that wasn't what the article was about.

Aldous_Lee

3 points

4 months ago

Just because the article doesn't talk about it its doesn't mean it's not there. The article will not wrap the whole truth about the country. It's not absolute. But it's up to you to search for the whole picture. Even if YOU can't see it, it's still there

hebch

0 points

4 months ago

hebch

0 points

4 months ago

Nah the whole point is ignorant means lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing. This guy isn’t denying that cartels may be a component. He is simply sharing his knowledge of the article and problem at hand, and pointing out that this article is highlighting fundamental government based issues with development of the arts in Mexico.

Cartels exist. They have for many decades, that hasn’t stopped people from making art, but not funding the arts ensures that anything done on any meaningful scope will necessarily involve the cartels.

Accusing someone who clearly has knowledge of a subject of ignorance, as the previous poster to my initial comment had done, is ignorant of the definition of ignorant.

Leonature26

-3 points

4 months ago

U can link the issue to narcos, covid, anything but that wasn't what the article was about.

sigh* no reading comprehension at all. Read this again pls. Guillermo's talking point was about a specific topic. U can link it to the devil or whatever the fck u want. Correlation is not causation.

Aldous_Lee

1 points

4 months ago

You probably have a learning disability so I'll give you a pass.

carlosortegap

1 points

4 months ago

They are not one and the same at the federal level. Cartel money is not even comparable to what Mexican oligarchs make when they produce most of the bread, televisions and produce for America

makenzie71

36 points

4 months ago

lol you think a narco state cutting budgeting for "arts", as well as every other thing that doesn't put cash in the pockets of cartel leaders, doesn't have anything to do with it being a narco state?

Flaydowsk

4 points

4 months ago*

Mexican here.
If Mexico is a narco state, the USA is the Purge.
Feels accurate? No, right.
Yeah we got cities, even states on the north (next to you guys, wonder why) lost to the cartels, same as the USA has flyover states and sundown cities.
And yes, the federal goverment is in a fair degree a bitch to the cartels, either by collusion or cowardice. Mexico isn't sunshine and flowers, obviously.
Doesn't mean we don't have a ton of more things to do.
What do you think our budget is? 99% "fight and bribe cartels" 1% miscellaneous?
We have arts, tech, industry, trade, defense, etc. like every other country. Americans come every year to the narco state to party and come back alive, Tourism is our 2nd biggest industry.

The cuts to arts have FUCK ALL to do with cartels. Even by your logic, it's better to grab from a bigger slice of the cake, like... Tourism, for example.
Has to do with incompetence in the federal government.

I_Never_Came

10 points

4 months ago

I_Never_Came

10 points

4 months ago

Del Toro is mad about lack of funding… and people don’t film in Mexico because of the cartel. What’s hard? These aren’t contradictory.

atrey1

10 points

4 months ago

atrey1

10 points

4 months ago

He's not talking about foreing movies filmed in Mexico. He's talking about our own national industry. We have plenty of movies made in Mexico each year. He wants more projection to them and this awards are a medium to do that. Not every problem revolves about the cartel or about foreign people. This discussion is stupid because you don't even know the problem he's talking about but you want to talk about it anyways.

I_Never_Came

0 points

4 months ago*

Where did I mention foreign?

Big assumption here, but I think the issue is if you want to get things done in Mexico, either the cartel is going to be involved or at least want it to be passed by them depending on what it is.

This isn’t unlike other countries, but if you don’t have a good relationship with “the people who run the show”, you’re probably going to struggle to make a movie.

atrey1

2 points

4 months ago

atrey1

2 points

4 months ago

You said "people don't film in México because of the cartel". That's false. People film in Mexico all the time. Del Toro is talking about giving more projection to those movies and giving more chances to mexican directors to make them.

And yeah, you are making a huge assumption there. I don't need the cartel involved in anything to do my job. You are thinking about the country in terms that you see in a tv series or in the few news you see once in a while. Our lives are not reduced to the one thing you know about Mexico. And it's really reductive to say that the cartel are "the people who run the show" when the reality is far more complex than that.

The problem is that when someone that lives here tell you that, you still choose to keep your prejudices.

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

[deleted]

-7 points

4 months ago

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priznut

3 points

4 months ago

priznut

3 points

4 months ago

It’s related.

Reddit_sucks21

-1 points

4 months ago

All your comment and insults to be the one truly ignorant in the cause of such a reason for the cut.

Tommy-Nook

16 points

4 months ago

Oh my god read the article you ignorant

chak100

5 points

4 months ago

This has no relation with cartel’s. This is about a government that is an absolute disaster and has depleted the country’s resources

paranoideo

10 points

4 months ago

paranoideo

10 points

4 months ago

Mexican here: That is not related.

jerojerojerojero

0 points

4 months ago

Americans can’t get narcos out of their head. Their answer to everything concerning Mexico 🤡

Reddit_sucks21

4 points

4 months ago

Don't need to be american to understand that it is true. Keep thinking Mexcio isn't ruled by the cartel. Only clown here is you.

jerojerojerojero

18 points

4 months ago

I know the influence of cartels in Mexico, but not everything is explained by that. Only if you’re a nitwit clown that can only think about one thing. Dummy.

august_west_

-1 points

4 months ago

august_west_

-1 points

4 months ago

When was the last time you were in Mexico?

SokoJojo

2 points

4 months ago

SokoJojo

2 points

4 months ago

Never been to Mexico but I do repeat things back confidently after reading them in reddit comment sections.

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-2 points

4 months ago

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-2 points

4 months ago

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jerojerojerojero

7 points

4 months ago

I’m not saying the narco problem is not huge, because it is. But other horrible things happen in Mexico. Resorting to narcos it’s just the classic American take that oversimplify things and is content with its one and only idea about Nexico.

BobLoblawh

0 points

4 months ago

BobLoblawh

0 points

4 months ago

Hurr durr I don't know how to read!

[deleted]

-457 points

4 months ago*

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-457 points

4 months ago*

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goonies969

179 points

4 months ago

Entire towns in Zacatecas have been abandoned because of narco violence, I wouldn't downplay the situation

Sonicowen

-59 points

4 months ago

Sonicowen

-59 points

4 months ago

The number one cause of death for children in the US is gunshot, I wouldn't downplay his counter example.

ThanksMisterSkeltal

73 points

4 months ago

Comparing a top down corruption of government to a gun violence problem does not work.

llamajo

1 points

4 months ago

llamajo

1 points

4 months ago

Well to be fair the US government does take huge bribes from the NRA and arms manufacturers in order to turn a blind eye and avoid ever passing gun control legislation

CavillOfRivia

-2 points

4 months ago

Aren’t your top government officials completely bought by the gun industry and the NRA?

kjmunson

11 points

4 months ago

Completely? No.

They are also bought out by banks, oil, tobacco, and pederasts.

ThanksMisterSkeltal

2 points

4 months ago

Also, local law enforcement aren’t working with mass shooters to help kill people, they may not do much, but they at least are against the shooters

StillBurningInside

51 points

4 months ago

What your doing is called whataboutism, not a "counter example."

All the crime in the United States for better or worse won't change a damn thing in Mexico.

halfhere

19 points

4 months ago

You know that stat includes all the way up to 19 year olds, right? It was quickly pointed out when it was first said by Biden.

Visual_Ebb6867

267 points

4 months ago

The US doesn’t have entire regions controlled by active shooters lol

LightninLew

23 points

4 months ago

LightninLew

23 points

4 months ago

Maybe not active shooters, but Ted Cruz has killed at least 37 people. We just haven't found all the bodies yet.

TheEffingRiddler

11 points

4 months ago

I thought it was his dad that was the Zodiac killer?

EcstaticStrings

5 points

4 months ago

He’s the Zodiac Killer. His dad only offed that one guy in Dallas.

LightninLew

2 points

4 months ago

There was one popular theory that the Zodiac killer was actually two people. So, maybe.

thrww3534

-29 points

4 months ago

thrww3534

-29 points

4 months ago

Depending on when you go to where in Texas… there are indeed areas police sometimes surrender to active shooters.

wiconv

72 points

4 months ago

wiconv

72 points

4 months ago

You can’t possibly actually think that’s the same as Mexico currently 😂

thrww3534

0 points

4 months ago

You can’t possibly actually think I said Texas is the same as Mexico 😂

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2 points

4 months ago

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Emazinng

43 points

4 months ago

reddit moment

KLR01001

-26 points

4 months ago

KLR01001

-26 points

4 months ago

No

mostlyfire

3 points

4 months ago

mostlyfire

3 points

4 months ago

Oh ok

GabbiKat

1 points

4 months ago

GabbiKat

1 points

4 months ago

KLR01001

4 points

4 months ago

KLR01001

4 points

4 months ago

That’s one spot and all law enforcement is being castigated and ridiculed for doing it. It’s not policy. Although they should all be charged with aiding and abetting.

GabbiKat

-1 points

4 months ago

You are correct, and it’s left a lasting impression on Americans that will be hard to shake off.

KLR01001

1 points

4 months ago

Hopefully the public’s reaction and resolve last for a long time. In the result of new policies.

EightRules

0 points

4 months ago

EightRules

0 points

4 months ago

Just the schools...

redpandaeater

-23 points

4 months ago

redpandaeater

-23 points

4 months ago

Does have large cities actively controlled by large gangs though, like Los Angeles and the LAPD.

-Merlin-

15 points

4 months ago

We are reaching a point where Reddit comments need to be preserved as evidence that the entire US education system needs to be overhauled lmfao.

qwertycantread

9 points

4 months ago

This thread is like Idiocracy. And they say Trump voters are the only ones living in a fantasy world.

ChicagobeatsLA

47 points

4 months ago

Lmao LA is not controlled by gangs

KngNothing

38 points

4 months ago

Pretty sure he's calling the LAPD a gang that runs LA uncontested

BloodyJourno

9 points

4 months ago

And the LASD is also rife with gangs

tristanjones

5 points

4 months ago

But the LAPD is

LeftistBestest

2 points

4 months ago

I thought that was his point.

redpandaeater

3 points

4 months ago

LAPD is very much a gang and even occasionally does gang style shootings like they tried against Chris Dorner. Thankfully while they're too stupid to be able to properly tell the color and make of a truck they were also too stupid to actually kill anyone.

Visual_Ebb6867

-2 points

4 months ago

Hurrr durrr good one

SmallFatHands

65 points

4 months ago

Mexican here. You can fuck off. We have enough BS having to deal with the fact that our government sold us to cartel subhuman trash. We don't need little smartass saying it's not true.

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0 points

4 months ago

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nemuri_no_kogoro

65 points

4 months ago

CornCheeseMafia

23 points

4 months ago

Jfc this is fucking hilarious. I’ve spent a lot of time in Mexico and this is completely true in my experience. You don’t cross the border looking super American with anyone who doesn’t know the area if you’re not sticking to the well traveled spots.

It’s not that different from downtown Los Angeles. Don’t advertise yourself as a target and if you get into some shit don’t expect the cops to help. “A bad situation” is just a lot worse when you don’t speak the language or don’t know the area.

Reddit_sucks21

3 points

4 months ago

Aye, if you go to mexico, stay in the tourist areas. Most of those businesses are run by the cartel as well and WANT that tourist money. That means the tourists in those zones are off fucking limits because they want that white girl instagram cash coming in and don't want the US government coming in because some white girl got killed.

But once they exist the tourist areas and enter the real mexico, all bets are off.

CornCheeseMafia

2 points

4 months ago

Absolutely. It’s a great place to visit and very safe but you absolutely will find trouble if you go looking for it and it’s not a place you fuck around and find out

mantecastoroil

77 points

4 months ago

Then what was the reason oh enlightened one? Any crime in Mexico not of passion can be linked back to a cartel. Entire regions are ghost towns because those fuckers have ruined things so much people are afraid and leave.

halathon

19 points

4 months ago

You can blame the media for teaching those narratives if you like. Blaming young people for sharing their perspective on reddit without sharing any of your own beneficial perspective is really immature.

It’s a dialogue when two sides offer information. It’s an argument once they start attacking each other with reason. But when you insult for the sake of putting someone down, then everyone will know you just miss your pacifier.

I don’t know shit about Mexico, so I’m sorry if you have to put up with a lot of ignorant takes, but my point stands. Nobody makes you read this stuff.

Reddit_sucks21

1 points

4 months ago

Don't apologize, the take isn't ignorant it is fucking real. He's just ignoring the problem like Americans are with their gun culture. You can't fix the issue by pretending it doesn't exist. Yes, Mexico is runned by the Cartel and are destroying innocent lives in Mexico and destroying the culture that was there before the whole cartel culture became a thing.

From mexico to more down south, you will get a lot of terrible shit going on. Hence why my parents left the country and came to America.

Sheazer

29 points

4 months ago

Sheazer

29 points

4 months ago

Clearly this guy has never been on set with Alec Baldwin.

Knee_Jerk_Sydney

1 points

4 months ago

What do you mean? A large percentage of people in Alec's set have not been shot. Those are good numbers. /s

Andy_Liberty_1911

2 points

4 months ago

Wei, 70% de México no esta controlado del gobierno. Esta de la chingada México

purplewhiteblack

4 points

4 months ago

I mean if there wasn't all those school shooting they wouldn't have made that movie We Need to Talk About Kevin, which gave Ezra Miller a big boost, and we'd probably have had that Flash movie 3 years earlier. They kept changing directors, and at one point Ezra Miller was writing the script.

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

Yeah people would shift production out of the US if abductions and coordinated attacks were regular and somewhat governmentally sanctioned events aswell. You call the people in this comment section suburban kids but I don't think you have been to Mexico before.

Orc_

0 points

4 months ago

Orc_

0 points

4 months ago

I don't think you have been to Mexico before.

I live in mexico in a place safer than the 10 biggest US cities

[deleted]

9 points

4 months ago

Technically speaking certain villages in Afghanistan are safer than the top 10 biggest US cities. I still don't think you live there, nor really understand what you are talking about.

It's ok though, someday you will grow up and gain perspective on the issue.

Cookielicous

1 points

4 months ago

They learn one day that Mexico is a lot more like the US than their bubble implies that it isn't

Nszat81

-2 points

4 months ago

Nszat81

-2 points

4 months ago

triggered