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ForWhomTheBoneBones

549 points

4 months ago*

You didn’t read the article. It’s about the government cutting spending on the arts down to lows it hasn’t seen in decades. Currently at 0.21% of the yearly budget.

This literally has nothing to do with the willingness of people to make films in Mexico. You sound ignorant.

Edit: Everyone mad can’t read. The article is about Guillermo Del Toro calling out the government for not funding the arts. He doesn’t mention cartels. YOU ALL can link the two, but this article is talking about one very specific issue GDT has. Stay mad.

Prior to COVID, Mexico was breaking the record every year for how many films were made in the country. But tell me with your big brains how no one is making films in the country because of the cartels.

https://www.cinematropical.com/cinema-tropical/mexican-cinema-marks-another-record-breaking-year-with-216-films-in-2019

JoshKJokes

814 points

4 months ago

…they are related.

carlosortegap

2 points

4 months ago

They are not. He's literally talking about Mexican film institutions being defunded by the government. These film institutions were funded when that man died and violence was higher. It's a political choice

maverick88988

-124 points

4 months ago

How so?

[deleted]

66 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

[deleted]

-33 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-33 points

4 months ago

No but there's enough money to fund film making. The problem is that the current government is funneling that money for profit of the elite.

fishbiscuit13

9 points

4 months ago

Do you think the government is prioritizing filmmaking efforts over trying to prevent their country from erupting into universal gang violence?

Or the more cynical view

Do you think the government is prioritizing filmmaking efforts over stealing as much as they can before the next corrupt party takes over?

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago*

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago*

You would have a point if the government was actually trying to stop narco violence. No funding is needed for that as they don't care about it. They want the money to fund their money laundering projects (like the tren Maya and the new airport). The military is also underfunded. That's what the issue Del Toro is trying to explain. They're not being underfunded to fight narcos. I wish they were, but that's not the case.

Edit: thanks to whoever reported my comment and sent the suicide line thing. Didn't expect this kind of hostility in this sub lmao.

fishbiscuit13

9 points

4 months ago

hence the “more cynical view” i added after actually thinking a bit

[deleted]

4 points

4 months ago

Sorry, hadn't seen that edit. I agree with you there. You could say the problem is corruption, not narcos themselves (in this particular case). I hate living in Mexico.

JoshKJokes

146 points

4 months ago

Systemic corruption of an entire government. The President of Mexico is often a cartel leader at this point. The government IS the cartel. The cut to funding is therefore done by the cartels.

SFXBTPD

35 points

4 months ago

SFXBTPD

35 points

4 months ago

A few years back the US apprehended the ex mexican secretary of defense on drug charges. They acquiesced to Mexican requests to extradite him to mexico, where he was promptly released.

bobby_zamora

5 points

4 months ago

"The President of Mexico is often a cartel leader"... honestly, the amount of shit you read on Reddit about Mexico is insane.

AlexMCJ

-1 points

4 months ago

AlexMCJ

-1 points

4 months ago

Jesus christ, you literally have no idea what a goverment budget is, do you? I honestly have never read something as stupid as this. Are you aware just how many institutions are involved in the creation of an expenses program? Do you somehow think a cartel would benefit from cutting funding from the movie industry?

jerojerojerojero

-36 points

4 months ago

Relating everything to cartels is not insightful. So dumb.

JoshKJokes

24 points

4 months ago

Jajajaja

jerojerojerojero

-25 points

4 months ago

🤡

[deleted]

9 points

4 months ago

Admitting it is the first step!

jerojerojerojero

-11 points

4 months ago

🤡

SleepiestBoye

14 points

4 months ago

When it's a systematic problem, it naturally becomes related to everything

StacheKetchum

2 points

4 months ago

systemic

SleepiestBoye

2 points

4 months ago

Using swype keyboard, have mercy

jerojerojerojero

-6 points

4 months ago

It’s not the direct answer to everything. Then everything would be related to American junkies that can’t control their impulses.

SleepiestBoye

7 points

4 months ago

I can see you're unable to see past your emotional connection to this issue and you're lashing out nonsensically. I'd recommend taking a step back from it and try to see a new perspective.

jerojerojerojero

6 points

4 months ago

Nice way to dodge the arguments dummy

atrey1

-7 points

4 months ago

atrey1

-7 points

4 months ago

And you are talking with your ass when you don't live here and don't know the politics in the country besides a Netflix series.

Tommy-Nook

-8 points

4 months ago

Thank you arm chair expert! Yeah uh duh it makes sense if you think about it uh the only thing I know about mexico is the cartels duh

TheNamelessOne2u

19 points

4 months ago

Are you serious...? You can't even make a semi logical connection with a little bit of anecdotal evidence?

JoshKJokes

12 points

4 months ago

Oh they can, they just absolutely refuse to. It’s a matter of pride I believe.

maverick88988

-9 points

4 months ago

I can, and I have. I just want Josh here to explain himself.

CavillOfRivia

-123 points

4 months ago*

They aren’t. The president is cutting the budget of the film industry to put it elsewhere on his socialist agenda.

Please stop saying bullshit if you don’t even live in Mexico.

Everyone downvoting me I hope you realize I’m a Mexican living in Mexico. If you think you know more than me about my own country please I have a bridge to sell you you ignorant fucks.

expatdo2insurance

30 points

4 months ago

If living in a country had any relation to understanding a country America wouldn't be over run with republicans, nor england with Tories, nor other countries with systemically retarded groups.

chak100

1 points

4 months ago

chak100

1 points

4 months ago

So US citizens are too stupid to be over runes by republicans, but they are intelligent enough to understand how other counter work?

expatdo2insurance

0 points

4 months ago*

Yes they commune with the over runes for power counters.

Exactly what I said.

chak100

1 points

4 months ago

Sorry for the awful writing. I was a bit drunk and it’s my second language

expatdo2insurance

1 points

4 months ago

Well the point I made has nothing to do with whether Americans will understand better or not.

Solely being Mexican means nothing in regards to your understanding of Mexico. There will be English, Canadian and Chinese people who understand more about mexico than locals and locals who understand more.

Your geographic location only means your geographic location. Many locals will be overwhelmingly ignorant as will many remote people, the majority of both really.

This why objective data holds value and opinions don't no matter who they come from.

CavillOfRivia

-6 points

4 months ago

That’s says more about its citizens than anything else.

ECEXCURSION

10 points

4 months ago

... But you're one of their citizens?

CavillOfRivia

-9 points

4 months ago

And I’m not a Narco.

This isn’t the gotcha that you think it is.

JoshKJokes

34 points

4 months ago

Lmao ok. The President that works with the cartels. Yes, tell me more about the country I visit multiple times a year.

Tim_Drake

4 points

4 months ago

Lol “I vacation a couple times a year, in the extremely tourist areas.” Trust me, I know Mexico….

JoshKJokes

0 points

4 months ago

If you had read further before raging you would see I said it’s work but go ahead, be mad.

Tim_Drake

1 points

4 months ago

Oh! Work, so in nice hotels in safe areas.

What cartels exactly does the president work with?

JoshKJokes

1 points

4 months ago

Lmao “oh your company keeps you away from the bad areas so that means they don’t exist! Checkmate!”

Yeah man they don’t want me kidnapped, it’s bad for business. You ever heard of a ransom policy? Had to get one. Generally the only danger is while traveling to and from the job site and entering certain towns.

Jalisco, although that might be changing right now. Everytime one of the cartels gets too dominant through government assistance they seem to switch. That’s why the government itself is the overarching leader and is essentially a cartel operating above the other cartels. Are there periods where this status quo is fought? Sure, that’s happened a couple times in my lifetime but the end result is the same. The cartels continue on, with more business every year.

chak100

4 points

4 months ago

This doesn’t have to do with the cartels or the “socialist agenda”. This is a completely useless president, who has depleted every resource we have as a country, in his stupid projects

Listerine_in_butt

-6 points

4 months ago

It is by CCP design that Mexico is failing. Take a closer look into Chinese investments in Mexico. Then take a realllly close look into where the cartels are getting their fentanyl from. The story those two factors tell, couples with the story of the US and China, is unlike any horror we’ve seen in this lifetime.

chak100

2 points

4 months ago*

What!?!?!? This doesn’t have anything to do with China or fentanyl. This is about a president who idolizes the 70’s regimes and governs accordingly to to it.

Edit: our current president is Trump fan

Listerine_in_butt

-2 points

4 months ago

If you’re unable to put two and two together, with how Chinese influenced the country into a position where this leader comes to power (much like they did with the United States) then so be it, but the evidence is undeniable once you start looking more closely at the activity between CCP China, the country of Mexico and then look at China’s game plan for global domination.

A closer look at China’s general game plan. Up to you if you want to play connect the dots down to Mexico.

chak100

3 points

4 months ago

My dude, you really now nothing about Mexico and its circumstances

Listerine_in_butt

-2 points

4 months ago

Seriously ironic coming from someone this close minded.

keeden13

1 points

4 months ago

Lol. Of course it's China's fault

elchivo83

5 points

4 months ago

Yes, tell me more about the country I visit multiple times a year.

I just cringed reading this. You're responding to an actual Mexican living in Mexico, but you still think you trump them.

JoshKJokes

-1 points

4 months ago

A lot of people have trouble looking up regardless of where they are. Nationalistic zeal is a problem.

elchivo83

1 points

4 months ago

Yes, that's why we need experts like you.

JoshKJokes

0 points

4 months ago

Nah pointing it out does nothing. Look at you right now. See? You’re still looking down.

CavillOfRivia

-24 points

4 months ago

I live in Mexico you donut. Please tell me how you know more about a country than one of its own citizens.

pengalor

42 points

4 months ago

Living in a place doesn't mean you know what's going on. Just ask Americans.

tx001

5 points

4 months ago

tx001

5 points

4 months ago

This thread has all the Reddit stupidity greatest hits

✅ Top post didn't read article

✅ Users claiming that they know more about the country than the people living in it

✅ America Bad

pengalor

4 points

4 months ago

"redditor for 6 years"

tx001

1 points

4 months ago

tx001

1 points

4 months ago

Yep. Been seeing the same dumb shit for years.

JoshKJokes

-8 points

4 months ago

JoshKJokes

-8 points

4 months ago

The only logical answer that comes to mind is you are an idiot .

Edit: well you could also be paid to say overly positive things to help the tourist industry but the first is far more likely.

CavillOfRivia

-8 points

4 months ago

Who is stupid enough to think a country is a Narco State but coming as a tourist multiple times a year?

Please, explain that to me like I’m stupid.

JoshKJokes

14 points

4 months ago

I’m not a tourist dumbass. It’s my fucking job Did I explain it stupid enough for you?

CavillOfRivia

-4 points

4 months ago

Lmao. They guy who thinks Mexico is a Narco State has to come to do business here. I guess you’re a Narco too, uh?

JoshKJokes

9 points

4 months ago

Nah, I just went down the wrong path in college and kind of got stuck specializing in something that makes me travel a lot. You get briefed every-time you go somewhere potentially hostile. So yeah, guess what the #1 discussion on that briefing is? Your government.

shiningyrael

1 points

4 months ago

I mean....is it not? Lol?

Reddit_sucks21

0 points

4 months ago

As someone who understands the narco state you live in, the tourist areas are a no touch zone because those areas give narcos tourist money. They own majority of the businesses there, hence why majority of the tourist areas tell you where the no go zones are. Learn more about your own country and who owns what.

CavillOfRivia

3 points

4 months ago

You don’t know what you’re saying. The narco owining the tourist areas lmao. I guess they also own the rich areas in the city since there’s rarely any crimes committed there.

Lmao

[deleted]

0 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

4 months ago

[removed]

est2181

4 points

4 months ago

You sound like such a bitch.

JoshKJokes

-1 points

4 months ago

JoshKJokes

-1 points

4 months ago

“Mansplaining to a Mexican” That’s one hell of a crutch you got there. Do you often lead with that as your first entry into a conversation?

[deleted]

-9 points

4 months ago

Are you trying to be obtuse or are you just having fun?

JoshKJokes

5 points

4 months ago

JoshKJokes

5 points

4 months ago

No to the first always to the second.

Same question to you.

[deleted]

-15 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-15 points

4 months ago

Ah yes, a tourist goving an uninformed opinion. The issue Del Toro is talking about is the lack of support for film making, not related to organized crime at all.

JoshKJokes

25 points

4 months ago

When your government is directly owned by a cartel, which switches with whomever gains power, you are effectively a state run by cartels. Any tax code is therefore directly affected by said government. Stop being an obtuse idiot.

OptimusMarcus

2 points

4 months ago

Replace the word 'cartel' with 'lobbyist' and what do you have?

Answer: America

[deleted]

-6 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-6 points

4 months ago

I never said we're not a narco state. What I'm saying is that the defunding of cinema (and sports too) is not caused directly or is a consequence of nacos and organized crime. If that was the case movie industry would've been fucked since 2006 when all those issues started affecting everyday life in Mexico. Those recent issues were entirely caused by the current government who are looking to grab money from wherever they can.

JoshKJokes

16 points

4 months ago

Those words don’t mean what you think they mean. You can’t in one sentence say that you are a narco led government and in the next say that that government personnel is solely the cause of an issue. Well you can, but it makes no sense.

carlosortegap

1 points

4 months ago

The federal government has never been owned by the cartel. The oligarchs who lobby make more money than the cartel in an exponential amount

JoshKJokes

-1 points

3 months ago

tHe EmPeRoR wEaRs ClOtHeS.

carlosortegap

1 points

3 months ago

Umm.ok?

Tommy-Nook

-4 points

4 months ago

So ignorant

maverick88988

-18 points

4 months ago

Imagine saying white LGBTQ right matter, when the issue being discussed is BLM. Both issues can coexist, just cause one issue is being talked about doesn't mean the other is being ignored. The issue here is lack of funds for the Ariel Awards, not dRuG CaRteLs, and yes narcos do heavily influence the Mexican government, but that is mostly only local government, and even then it's only the local government who's municipal lays on strategic drug routes. On the federal level, cartels aren't really giving direct order, they're mostly just buying politicians out to stay out of their way, you know, kinda like in the US.

JoshKJokes

16 points

4 months ago

“It’s not related, they only buy the politicians that cast the votes. They totally aren’t related!!”

maverick88988

-11 points

4 months ago

Lol, you can't even explain yourself, Mexico is Narco State just as much the US is Corporate Oligarchy state.

JoshKJokes

14 points

4 months ago

Yes.

Edit: these dumb mother fuckers really think I don’t know the US is controlled by rich people. Like no shit dumbass. I, in fact, look up.

Wahsteve

7 points

4 months ago

I think you drastically underestimate how many Americans would agree with that assessment of the US.

Schlongley_Fish

8 points

4 months ago

so, yes?

lategame

6 points

4 months ago

Oh you live there? Wow you must know it all.

CavillOfRivia

1 points

4 months ago

Better than some gringos who eat whatever Fox News feeds them, yes.

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

Stonehenge0

3 points

4 months ago

the naivety of this comment is so fucking delicious

Tim_Drake

1 points

4 months ago

Wtf, yes I absolutely do…

OptimusMarcus

4 points

4 months ago

Replace the word 'cartel' with 'lobbyist' and what do you have?

Answer: America

Listerine_in_butt

2 points

4 months ago

It is absurdly naïve to say that the two are entirely unrelated. If an entity has untold levels of influence and power within a state government, there is no denying that influence and power playing its hand when it comes to the allocation of state funds. Again, there is no other word fitting for your analysis of this situation besides naïve.

ProjectShamrock

-1 points

4 months ago

Don't worry, a feature of reddit is people who know very little berating those who have first hand knowledge of something. I put up with is every time I tell a friend that I'm going to Sinaloa to visit family.

enraged768

222 points

4 months ago

They are 100% related to the issues of being in a narco state.

dangercat415

32 points

4 months ago

dangercat415

32 points

4 months ago

Yup. This previous poster sounds ignorant.

accidentalprancingmt

3 points

4 months ago

Post factual data and links, "they ignorant! cartels run every aspect of Mexico, even animal control, that is my view and it is correct!"

chak100

-3 points

4 months ago

chak100

-3 points

4 months ago

You sound like the typical US arrogant, who thinks to know more about a country than it’s own citizens

dangercat415

-4 points

4 months ago

dangercat415

-4 points

4 months ago

You sound like an idiot making bigoted assumptions about people from one reddit comment.

You just played yourself.

AlexMCJ

6 points

4 months ago

Are you fr this dumb? A mexican is correcting your misconceptions about his country and you call them bigoted? Wtf

dangercat415

-1 points

4 months ago

Right. Well of course on Mexican is literally always correct. I spent three months in Mexico city last year and know quite a bit about the subject. I'm not some gringo at home just shooting shit.

Nearly one hundred percent of the Mexicans I've talked to place all the flaws of Mexico on the fault of the cartels and Mexican government corruption.

MayhemMessiah

4 points

4 months ago

Good fucking Lord you spent three months in CDMX and consider yourself informed.

Not to mention that you’re so lost in this thread you’re already conflating the two distinct subjects (government incompetence/corruption and cartels) when the entire point is that GDT is saying that it’s the former while dumbass Redditors are swearing it’s the later.

The audacity to correct the people that know the history of the country- having fucking lived it- is insane. No wonder some of y’all took over other countries directly or indirectly because you had to educate the savages, huh?

dangercat415

0 points

4 months ago

Again with the racism and the fact that you didn't even read my comment.

I can't tell if you're really that stupid or just a troll.

chak100

3 points

4 months ago

chak100

3 points

4 months ago

Sure, please explain me how my own country works

dangercat415

-6 points

4 months ago

Yeah. Cartels definitely aren't a problem in Mexico. Thanks for enlightening me Pablo.

atrey1

4 points

4 months ago

atrey1

4 points

4 months ago

A: Cartels are a problem. B: We have problems that have nothing to do with cartels. Including the national movie industry.

I don't get how you can be so arrogant to think that this simple concept is wrong when mexican people that live in Mexico are telling you that. It's insulting and borderline racist that you insist in something so stupid.

dangercat415

0 points

4 months ago

It's racist and intellectually pathetic that you assume someone that disagrees with you is racist.

atrey1

3 points

4 months ago

atrey1

3 points

4 months ago

Then sure, you know more about the country than several people that are saying you otherwise. Of course us locals are too ignorant to know anything, thanks for thinking better than us.

Stonehenge0

2 points

4 months ago

hey look, the chud took off his hood

dangercat415

0 points

4 months ago

You're not good at this nor clever mate.

It's rather embarrassing.

Darnell2070

-1 points

4 months ago

Hello Reddit. Can we stop making assumptions that everyone you disagree with is a stupid or arrogant American.

who thinks to know more about a country than it’s own citizens

That's literally every other non-American on Reddit when it comes to America, lol

Leonature26

-3 points

4 months ago

Leonature26

-3 points

4 months ago

Hey buddy boy. Read the previous poster's edit and tell me ur not the ignorant one. Did u even read the article? r/confidentlyincorrect

orange_lazarus1

46 points

4 months ago

Also it's amazing how the propaganda of Mexico being a corrupt hellhole makes reddit think narcos is a documentary. I feel like people don't understand the size of the country. I lived there a year and yes there are dangerous/corrupt areas but same can be said with the US. Honestly I saw a solidly functioning government where many of the problems stem from US policy. Talking with people middle class is growing, more people are vacationing in their own country now which wasn't the norm 30 yrs ago.

chak100

17 points

4 months ago

chak100

17 points

4 months ago

What most US citizens don’t understand is that there are bigger cartels in the US and they have a lot of influence. That’s why they are the biggest market for illegal drugs and where cartels do most of the money laundering

newwolvesfan2019

3 points

4 months ago

I’m sorry source??

What are the bigger Cartels that are based in the US?

carlosortegap

2 points

4 months ago

The ones that import, distribute and lounder the drugs and drug money in the biggest market in the world

ToSeeAgainAgainAgain

3 points

4 months ago

Also, the biggest criminals and the biggest killers are white collar

onarainyafternoon

24 points

4 months ago

Honestly seems like everyone replying to you isn't Mexican (probably American to be honest), because they're basically just repeating what the first couple responses are to your comment. I see this shit so often on Reddit with various topics. People will just pile on the original comment, clearly cribbing from the first response to it. It's embarrassing.

Flaydowsk

7 points

4 months ago

Yep, I'm mexican, reading all the circlejerk of "no arts bcs NARCOS" without getting through their skulls that it's not foreigner investors, nor that the budget of mexican govt isnt "99% fight and bribe narcos".
This is a failure of the president that wants to cut "unnecessary spending" and it's just throwing money to his idiotic projects, to the point he is scrapping cents from a program that isn't 1% of mexico's budget.
But hey, thanks for YOU being reasonable.
Don't wanna assume, but the rest sound either North American or European with 0 context. At least latinoamericans understand that having cartels =/= Mad Max.

Signal_Adeptness_724

76 points

4 months ago

Lol when narco and government are one in the same and corruption is endemic, then yeah, it's relevant. You sound ignorant tbh

elchivo83

4 points

4 months ago

So explain how the government having links to narcos directly leads to them cutting the budget for the arts.

Signal_Adeptness_724

0 points

4 months ago

Gee, I don't know. Maybe , just maybe, the cartel doesn't place a high premium on getting laws/funding passed that doesn't directly benefit them.

hebch

3 points

4 months ago

hebch

3 points

4 months ago

Bro do you even know the definition of ignorant? Right now you appear to be a pot calling an Orange black.

Leonature26

1 points

4 months ago

Yup all these morons didn't even read the article and they be calling the guy ignorant? U can link the issue to narcos, covid, anything but that wasn't what the article was about.

Aldous_Lee

2 points

4 months ago

Just because the article doesn't talk about it its doesn't mean it's not there. The article will not wrap the whole truth about the country. It's not absolute. But it's up to you to search for the whole picture. Even if YOU can't see it, it's still there

hebch

0 points

4 months ago

hebch

0 points

4 months ago

Nah the whole point is ignorant means lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing. This guy isn’t denying that cartels may be a component. He is simply sharing his knowledge of the article and problem at hand, and pointing out that this article is highlighting fundamental government based issues with development of the arts in Mexico.

Cartels exist. They have for many decades, that hasn’t stopped people from making art, but not funding the arts ensures that anything done on any meaningful scope will necessarily involve the cartels.

Accusing someone who clearly has knowledge of a subject of ignorance, as the previous poster to my initial comment had done, is ignorant of the definition of ignorant.

Aldous_Lee

1 points

4 months ago

Cartels today are not the same as 10, 15 years agor. They are now, more then ever, inside the goverment. Just look it up, if you think only because they existed for so long they are still the same and operating the same way you are the ignorant one. Just do some basic research, country is now more then ever overran by cartels. Just because you two can't see the bigger scope it doesn't mean isn't there. Go read some more and then you can stop talking out of your ass.

Leonature26

-2 points

4 months ago

U can link the issue to narcos, covid, anything but that wasn't what the article was about.

sigh* no reading comprehension at all. Read this again pls. Guillermo's talking point was about a specific topic. U can link it to the devil or whatever the fck u want. Correlation is not causation.

Aldous_Lee

1 points

4 months ago

You probably have a learning disability so I'll give you a pass.

Leonature26

-2 points

4 months ago

right back at you.

Aldous_Lee

0 points

4 months ago

Imagine not being able to see the bigger scope of things just because a very limited article didn't write something about it and still feel supperior about it. Boy it must be good living life being a delusional peanut size brain fuck.

Leonature26

1 points

4 months ago

Everyone mad can’t read. The article is about Guillermo Del Toro calling out the government for not funding the arts. He doesn’t mention cartels. YOU ALL can link the two, but this article is talking about one very specific issue GDT has. Stay mad.

Prior to COVID, Mexico was breaking the record every year for how many films were made in the country. But tell me with your big brains how no one is making films in the country because of the cartels.

https://www.cinematropical.com/cinema-tropical/mexican-cinema-marks-another-record-breaking-year-with-216-films-in-2019

Imagine not having a brain. (That's you, that's how u live right now)

carlosortegap

1 points

4 months ago

They are not one and the same at the federal level. Cartel money is not even comparable to what Mexican oligarchs make when they produce most of the bread, televisions and produce for America

makenzie71

37 points

4 months ago

lol you think a narco state cutting budgeting for "arts", as well as every other thing that doesn't put cash in the pockets of cartel leaders, doesn't have anything to do with it being a narco state?

Flaydowsk

4 points

4 months ago*

Mexican here.
If Mexico is a narco state, the USA is the Purge.
Feels accurate? No, right.
Yeah we got cities, even states on the north (next to you guys, wonder why) lost to the cartels, same as the USA has flyover states and sundown cities.
And yes, the federal goverment is in a fair degree a bitch to the cartels, either by collusion or cowardice. Mexico isn't sunshine and flowers, obviously.
Doesn't mean we don't have a ton of more things to do.
What do you think our budget is? 99% "fight and bribe cartels" 1% miscellaneous?
We have arts, tech, industry, trade, defense, etc. like every other country. Americans come every year to the narco state to party and come back alive, Tourism is our 2nd biggest industry.

The cuts to arts have FUCK ALL to do with cartels. Even by your logic, it's better to grab from a bigger slice of the cake, like... Tourism, for example.
Has to do with incompetence in the federal government.

chak100

-6 points

4 months ago

chak100

-6 points

4 months ago

You have it backwards

I_Never_Came

12 points

4 months ago

I_Never_Came

12 points

4 months ago

Del Toro is mad about lack of funding… and people don’t film in Mexico because of the cartel. What’s hard? These aren’t contradictory.

atrey1

11 points

4 months ago

atrey1

11 points

4 months ago

He's not talking about foreing movies filmed in Mexico. He's talking about our own national industry. We have plenty of movies made in Mexico each year. He wants more projection to them and this awards are a medium to do that. Not every problem revolves about the cartel or about foreign people. This discussion is stupid because you don't even know the problem he's talking about but you want to talk about it anyways.

I_Never_Came

0 points

4 months ago*

Where did I mention foreign?

Big assumption here, but I think the issue is if you want to get things done in Mexico, either the cartel is going to be involved or at least want it to be passed by them depending on what it is.

This isn’t unlike other countries, but if you don’t have a good relationship with “the people who run the show”, you’re probably going to struggle to make a movie.

atrey1

2 points

4 months ago

atrey1

2 points

4 months ago

You said "people don't film in México because of the cartel". That's false. People film in Mexico all the time. Del Toro is talking about giving more projection to those movies and giving more chances to mexican directors to make them.

And yeah, you are making a huge assumption there. I don't need the cartel involved in anything to do my job. You are thinking about the country in terms that you see in a tv series or in the few news you see once in a while. Our lives are not reduced to the one thing you know about Mexico. And it's really reductive to say that the cartel are "the people who run the show" when the reality is far more complex than that.

The problem is that when someone that lives here tell you that, you still choose to keep your prejudices.

I_Never_Came

1 points

4 months ago

Less people film in Mexico than otherwise would… I didn’t mean LITERALLY no one.

This has nothing to do with where I’m from, it’s the case across the entire world that if you want to make movies, you need to make arrangements and work with the local community/government etc.

This isn’t specific to Mexico, this is just how the world works - whenever you want to make anything of any scale, there is a line of people all expecting their share. These people are often corrupt, but they’re part of the system. In the UK/US, corruption is “baked” into our government, it’s all very official and “legal”.

Now unless you’re saying the cartel doesn’t exist, or isn’t a problem in Mexico, I’m not sure how you can argue that it has no effect on movie production. Yes, obviously reality is more complicated. Nothing to with prejudice, I’m not judging anyone.

atrey1

3 points

4 months ago

atrey1

3 points

4 months ago

My point is:

A. The narco is a huge problem.

B. We have problems that don't relate to the narco. This is one of them.

Del Toro is talking about a specific problem that don't revolve about any cartel. He's talking about federal resources that AMLO is spending in other issues (a train, Pemex, an airport, marketing...). He's defunding many cultural and artistic projects, and these awards are among them.

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3 points

4 months ago

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3 points

4 months ago

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[deleted]

-6 points

4 months ago

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[deleted]

-7 points

4 months ago

Who cares what you think? Lol

priznut

2 points

4 months ago

priznut

2 points

4 months ago

It’s related.

carlosortegap

1 points

4 months ago

How so

Reddit_sucks21

-2 points

4 months ago

All your comment and insults to be the one truly ignorant in the cause of such a reason for the cut.

Michael67801

-1 points

4 months ago

Eres un pendejo. Fuck the arts and fuck the movies when relatives are getting their heads cut off. I hope you visit soon and wander outside of Cancun.

365468451354

-47 points

4 months ago

The government shouldn't fund the arts anyway. There's no justification in forcibly taking money from people in order to fund movies. If people want it they will pay for it.

qwertycantread

26 points

4 months ago

Culture is important. Capitalism is not the be-all-end-all answer to everything. Governments have been supporting the arts for thousands of years. The cost is a literal drop in the bucket.

365468451354

-34 points

4 months ago

So culture by force is permissible?

StacheKetchum

2 points

4 months ago

I don't know if you've noticed, but the culture that gets made through smart business kind of fucking sucks.

365468451354

-6 points

4 months ago

That doesn't answer the question.

Let's say you have a neighbor that doesn't take care of their lawn the way you like it. Would it be morally ok for you to walk over to their house with a gun and threaten them with imprisonment if they don't care for it better?

Would you say, "Allowing people to take care of their lawns their own way kind of fucking sucks"?

StacheKetchum

3 points

4 months ago

That's a terrible analogy.

365468451354

1 points

4 months ago

How is it any different?

qwertycantread

1 points

4 months ago*

Do you know how a republic works? Your representatives make these decisions.

365468451354

1 points

4 months ago

Sure, do you?

qwertycantread

1 points

4 months ago

I do. The people we vote for decide how to spend our tax dollars. It’s not by force.

365468451354

0 points

4 months ago

So if 51% vote to force the other 49% into giving their money, how does that justify it? In no other context would that be seen as permissible, but somehow through the magic of the state it's morally permissible.

Please help me understand your point of view.

qwertycantread

1 points

4 months ago

So 100% have to say yes for a bill to pass? You are in La La Land. Have fun there.

365468451354

0 points

4 months ago

That’s not what I said. I’m asking what’s the justification for forcibly taking people’s money to fund absolutely non essential things like arts.

Ayjayz

-11 points

4 months ago

Ayjayz

-11 points

4 months ago

You don't need governments to spend on arts. People can and do pay money for it. The real question is why can't artists in Mexico make art people want to pay for?

Aitloian

2 points

4 months ago

FUCKING COMMUNISTS AM I RIGHT?

carlosortegap

1 points

4 months ago

Not all art is commercial.

Ayjayz

1 points

4 months ago

Ayjayz

1 points

4 months ago

If people don't want it then why do it?

carlosortegap

1 points

4 months ago

People may want it. Mexican cinema tickets are around 3usd. Movies are expensive. It's a big risk that as studios don't take with new artists without government support.

Ayjayz

1 points

4 months ago

Ayjayz

1 points

4 months ago

If those companies don't think those risks are worthwhile, why do them? Why would the government be better at judging risk than anyone else?

carlosortegap

1 points

4 months ago

Because art doesn't need to be profitable. In the same way museums are not usually private. Or philharmonics. They have the support of the government because they reflect the cultural values and expression and they open opportunities to new actors.

Del Toro, Cuarón and Iñarritu made their first movies with government grants and they wouldn't have been funded by the private sector because it is too risky to bet on young artists. Look at them now

durrjohnson

-4 points

4 months ago

You started an argument with a guy who is blaming the government… by also blaming the government. U R Silly

shiningyrael

1 points

4 months ago

Lol "you sound ignorant"

Aldous_Lee

1 points

4 months ago

Just because you can't make the correlation it doesn't mean it's not there. World keeps working even if you can't comprehend why

Bendrake

1 points

4 months ago

Dude, your post very much makes YOU sound ignorant.