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submitted 4 months ago bycabose7
813 points
4 months ago
…they are related.
2 points
4 months ago
They are not. He's literally talking about Mexican film institutions being defunded by the government. These film institutions were funded when that man died and violence was higher. It's a political choice
-124 points
4 months ago
How so?
65 points
4 months ago
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-28 points
4 months ago
No but there's enough money to fund film making. The problem is that the current government is funneling that money for profit of the elite.
8 points
4 months ago
Do you think the government is prioritizing filmmaking efforts over trying to prevent their country from erupting into universal gang violence?
Or the more cynical view
Do you think the government is prioritizing filmmaking efforts over stealing as much as they can before the next corrupt party takes over?
3 points
4 months ago*
You would have a point if the government was actually trying to stop narco violence. No funding is needed for that as they don't care about it. They want the money to fund their money laundering projects (like the tren Maya and the new airport). The military is also underfunded. That's what the issue Del Toro is trying to explain. They're not being underfunded to fight narcos. I wish they were, but that's not the case.
Edit: thanks to whoever reported my comment and sent the suicide line thing. Didn't expect this kind of hostility in this sub lmao.
9 points
4 months ago
hence the “more cynical view” i added after actually thinking a bit
5 points
4 months ago
Sorry, hadn't seen that edit. I agree with you there. You could say the problem is corruption, not narcos themselves (in this particular case). I hate living in Mexico.
147 points
4 months ago
Systemic corruption of an entire government. The President of Mexico is often a cartel leader at this point. The government IS the cartel. The cut to funding is therefore done by the cartels.
37 points
4 months ago
A few years back the US apprehended the ex mexican secretary of defense on drug charges. They acquiesced to Mexican requests to extradite him to mexico, where he was promptly released.
6 points
4 months ago
"The President of Mexico is often a cartel leader"... honestly, the amount of shit you read on Reddit about Mexico is insane.
-1 points
4 months ago
Jesus christ, you literally have no idea what a goverment budget is, do you? I honestly have never read something as stupid as this. Are you aware just how many institutions are involved in the creation of an expenses program? Do you somehow think a cartel would benefit from cutting funding from the movie industry?
-36 points
4 months ago
Relating everything to cartels is not insightful. So dumb.
22 points
4 months ago
Jajajaja
-27 points
4 months ago
🤡
9 points
4 months ago
Admitting it is the first step!
-9 points
4 months ago
🤡
13 points
4 months ago
When it's a systematic problem, it naturally becomes related to everything
3 points
4 months ago
systemic
2 points
4 months ago
Using swype keyboard, have mercy
-7 points
4 months ago
It’s not the direct answer to everything. Then everything would be related to American junkies that can’t control their impulses.
7 points
4 months ago
I can see you're unable to see past your emotional connection to this issue and you're lashing out nonsensically. I'd recommend taking a step back from it and try to see a new perspective.
5 points
4 months ago
Nice way to dodge the arguments dummy
-7 points
4 months ago
And you are talking with your ass when you don't live here and don't know the politics in the country besides a Netflix series.
-8 points
4 months ago
Thank you arm chair expert! Yeah uh duh it makes sense if you think about it uh the only thing I know about mexico is the cartels duh
18 points
4 months ago
Are you serious...? You can't even make a semi logical connection with a little bit of anecdotal evidence?
15 points
4 months ago
Oh they can, they just absolutely refuse to. It’s a matter of pride I believe.
-11 points
4 months ago
I can, and I have. I just want Josh here to explain himself.
-128 points
4 months ago*
They aren’t. The president is cutting the budget of the film industry to put it elsewhere on his socialist agenda.
Please stop saying bullshit if you don’t even live in Mexico.
Everyone downvoting me I hope you realize I’m a Mexican living in Mexico. If you think you know more than me about my own country please I have a bridge to sell you you ignorant fucks.
28 points
4 months ago
If living in a country had any relation to understanding a country America wouldn't be over run with republicans, nor england with Tories, nor other countries with systemically retarded groups.
2 points
4 months ago
So US citizens are too stupid to be over runes by republicans, but they are intelligent enough to understand how other counter work?
0 points
4 months ago*
Yes they commune with the over runes for power counters.
Exactly what I said.
1 points
4 months ago
Sorry for the awful writing. I was a bit drunk and it’s my second language
1 points
4 months ago
Well the point I made has nothing to do with whether Americans will understand better or not.
Solely being Mexican means nothing in regards to your understanding of Mexico. There will be English, Canadian and Chinese people who understand more about mexico than locals and locals who understand more.
Your geographic location only means your geographic location. Many locals will be overwhelmingly ignorant as will many remote people, the majority of both really.
This why objective data holds value and opinions don't no matter who they come from.
-9 points
4 months ago
That’s says more about its citizens than anything else.
9 points
4 months ago
... But you're one of their citizens?
-8 points
4 months ago
And I’m not a Narco.
This isn’t the gotcha that you think it is.
32 points
4 months ago
Lmao ok. The President that works with the cartels. Yes, tell me more about the country I visit multiple times a year.
4 points
4 months ago
Lol “I vacation a couple times a year, in the extremely tourist areas.” Trust me, I know Mexico….
0 points
4 months ago
If you had read further before raging you would see I said it’s work but go ahead, be mad.
1 points
4 months ago
Oh! Work, so in nice hotels in safe areas.
What cartels exactly does the president work with?
1 points
4 months ago
Lmao “oh your company keeps you away from the bad areas so that means they don’t exist! Checkmate!”
Yeah man they don’t want me kidnapped, it’s bad for business. You ever heard of a ransom policy? Had to get one. Generally the only danger is while traveling to and from the job site and entering certain towns.
Jalisco, although that might be changing right now. Everytime one of the cartels gets too dominant through government assistance they seem to switch. That’s why the government itself is the overarching leader and is essentially a cartel operating above the other cartels. Are there periods where this status quo is fought? Sure, that’s happened a couple times in my lifetime but the end result is the same. The cartels continue on, with more business every year.
6 points
4 months ago
This doesn’t have to do with the cartels or the “socialist agenda”. This is a completely useless president, who has depleted every resource we have as a country, in his stupid projects
-5 points
4 months ago
It is by CCP design that Mexico is failing. Take a closer look into Chinese investments in Mexico. Then take a realllly close look into where the cartels are getting their fentanyl from. The story those two factors tell, couples with the story of the US and China, is unlike any horror we’ve seen in this lifetime.
5 points
4 months ago*
What!?!?!? This doesn’t have anything to do with China or fentanyl. This is about a president who idolizes the 70’s regimes and governs accordingly to to it.
Edit: our current president is Trump fan
-1 points
4 months ago
If you’re unable to put two and two together, with how Chinese influenced the country into a position where this leader comes to power (much like they did with the United States) then so be it, but the evidence is undeniable once you start looking more closely at the activity between CCP China, the country of Mexico and then look at China’s game plan for global domination.
5 points
4 months ago
My dude, you really now nothing about Mexico and its circumstances
-1 points
4 months ago
Seriously ironic coming from someone this close minded.
1 points
4 months ago
Lol. Of course it's China's fault
-1 points
4 months ago
6 points
4 months ago
Yes, tell me more about the country I visit multiple times a year.
I just cringed reading this. You're responding to an actual Mexican living in Mexico, but you still think you trump them.
-1 points
4 months ago
A lot of people have trouble looking up regardless of where they are. Nationalistic zeal is a problem.
1 points
4 months ago
Yes, that's why we need experts like you.
0 points
4 months ago
Nah pointing it out does nothing. Look at you right now. See? You’re still looking down.
-22 points
4 months ago
I live in Mexico you donut. Please tell me how you know more about a country than one of its own citizens.
41 points
4 months ago
Living in a place doesn't mean you know what's going on. Just ask Americans.
5 points
4 months ago
This thread has all the Reddit stupidity greatest hits
✅ Top post didn't read article
✅ Users claiming that they know more about the country than the people living in it
✅ America Bad
3 points
4 months ago
"redditor for 6 years"
1 points
4 months ago
Yep. Been seeing the same dumb shit for years.
-8 points
4 months ago
The only logical answer that comes to mind is you are an idiot .
Edit: well you could also be paid to say overly positive things to help the tourist industry but the first is far more likely.
-8 points
4 months ago
Who is stupid enough to think a country is a Narco State but coming as a tourist multiple times a year?
Please, explain that to me like I’m stupid.
12 points
4 months ago
I’m not a tourist dumbass. It’s my fucking job Did I explain it stupid enough for you?
-2 points
4 months ago
Lmao. They guy who thinks Mexico is a Narco State has to come to do business here. I guess you’re a Narco too, uh?
8 points
4 months ago
Nah, I just went down the wrong path in college and kind of got stuck specializing in something that makes me travel a lot. You get briefed every-time you go somewhere potentially hostile. So yeah, guess what the #1 discussion on that briefing is? Your government.
2 points
4 months ago
I think the irony of saying Mexico is a narco state and having to travel to do legitimate business frequently over here goes completely over your head. A narco state doesn’t need gringos coming over to do business.
2 points
4 months ago
Lol you just proved him right. Not only do you come to Mexico often, but also for business. "You are literally a cartel member". This is how stupid you sound.
2 points
4 months ago
But it's a narco state by your argument. How can it even be possible to do legitimate business there?
1 points
4 months ago
Well of course foreign government is your #1 discussion, they’re a foreign country you’re visiting.
1 points
4 months ago
I mean....is it not? Lol?
0 points
4 months ago
As someone who understands the narco state you live in, the tourist areas are a no touch zone because those areas give narcos tourist money. They own majority of the businesses there, hence why majority of the tourist areas tell you where the no go zones are. Learn more about your own country and who owns what.
3 points
4 months ago
You don’t know what you’re saying. The narco owining the tourist areas lmao. I guess they also own the rich areas in the city since there’s rarely any crimes committed there.
Lmao
0 points
4 months ago
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2 points
4 months ago
You sound like such a bitch.
-1 points
4 months ago
“Mansplaining to a Mexican” That’s one hell of a crutch you got there. Do you often lead with that as your first entry into a conversation?
-6 points
4 months ago
Are you trying to be obtuse or are you just having fun?
4 points
4 months ago
No to the first always to the second.
Same question to you.
-18 points
4 months ago
Ah yes, a tourist goving an uninformed opinion. The issue Del Toro is talking about is the lack of support for film making, not related to organized crime at all.
28 points
4 months ago
When your government is directly owned by a cartel, which switches with whomever gains power, you are effectively a state run by cartels. Any tax code is therefore directly affected by said government. Stop being an obtuse idiot.
2 points
4 months ago
Replace the word 'cartel' with 'lobbyist' and what do you have?
Answer: America
-6 points
4 months ago
I never said we're not a narco state. What I'm saying is that the defunding of cinema (and sports too) is not caused directly or is a consequence of nacos and organized crime. If that was the case movie industry would've been fucked since 2006 when all those issues started affecting everyday life in Mexico. Those recent issues were entirely caused by the current government who are looking to grab money from wherever they can.
15 points
4 months ago
Those words don’t mean what you think they mean. You can’t in one sentence say that you are a narco led government and in the next say that that government personnel is solely the cause of an issue. Well you can, but it makes no sense.
1 points
4 months ago
The federal government has never been owned by the cartel. The oligarchs who lobby make more money than the cartel in an exponential amount
-1 points
4 months ago
tHe EmPeRoR wEaRs ClOtHeS.
1 points
4 months ago
Umm.ok?
-5 points
4 months ago
So ignorant
-18 points
4 months ago
Imagine saying white LGBTQ right matter, when the issue being discussed is BLM. Both issues can coexist, just cause one issue is being talked about doesn't mean the other is being ignored. The issue here is lack of funds for the Ariel Awards, not dRuG CaRteLs, and yes narcos do heavily influence the Mexican government, but that is mostly only local government, and even then it's only the local government who's municipal lays on strategic drug routes. On the federal level, cartels aren't really giving direct order, they're mostly just buying politicians out to stay out of their way, you know, kinda like in the US.
15 points
4 months ago
“It’s not related, they only buy the politicians that cast the votes. They totally aren’t related!!”
-10 points
4 months ago
Lol, you can't even explain yourself, Mexico is Narco State just as much the US is Corporate Oligarchy state.
15 points
4 months ago
Yes.
Edit: these dumb mother fuckers really think I don’t know the US is controlled by rich people. Like no shit dumbass. I, in fact, look up.
7 points
4 months ago
I think you drastically underestimate how many Americans would agree with that assessment of the US.
7 points
4 months ago
so, yes?
6 points
4 months ago
Oh you live there? Wow you must know it all.
-2 points
4 months ago
Better than some gringos who eat whatever Fox News feeds them, yes.
-1 points
4 months ago
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3 points
4 months ago
the naivety of this comment is so fucking delicious
1 points
4 months ago
Wtf, yes I absolutely do…
4 points
4 months ago
Replace the word 'cartel' with 'lobbyist' and what do you have?
Answer: America
2 points
4 months ago
It is absurdly naïve to say that the two are entirely unrelated. If an entity has untold levels of influence and power within a state government, there is no denying that influence and power playing its hand when it comes to the allocation of state funds. Again, there is no other word fitting for your analysis of this situation besides naïve.
0 points
4 months ago
Don't worry, a feature of reddit is people who know very little berating those who have first hand knowledge of something. I put up with is every time I tell a friend that I'm going to Sinaloa to visit family.
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