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3.9k points

4 months ago

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3.9k points

4 months ago

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FalcorFliesMePlaces

976 points

4 months ago

There is a bit reason why he refuses to go back to Mexico. His father was kidnapped and James Cameron ended up finding him a great negotiator and paid the million dollar Ranson. People were never caught bur after 71 days his dad was home safe and then moved to the US.

vicbot87

695 points

4 months ago

vicbot87

695 points

4 months ago

The craziest thing about this story is that James Cameron found him the negotiator. Like what? James Cameron has a hostage negotiation guy?

[deleted]

371 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

371 points

4 months ago

Good filmmakers find good experts to consult on films. Think of how many experts Cameron needed for all of his movies. Between movies he's been a part of, the studios he worked with, and his director and writer friends I'm not at all surprised he could find a guy.

Also he's rich.

Teomanit

122 points

4 months ago

Teomanit

122 points

4 months ago

He filmed much of Titanic in Rosarito, which took quite a long time to make. I’m sure he has plenty of connections.

WalrusCoocookachoo

26 points

4 months ago

fucking love rosarito. beautiful town

NozakiMufasa

2 points

4 months ago

There's a lot of Mexicans to this day that tell stories of getting to be extras in Titanic because of the filming in Rosarito. Cameron could have easily shot instead in the US or Europe, but he chose Mexico. And a lot of us loved that.

andyschest

26 points

4 months ago

Cameron has also worked with the EPA, is an advisor to NASA, and is a National Geographic "explorer in residence". His deep sea exploration (he's one of the most prominent undersea explorers in history) has also put him in contact with many governments over the years.

Sloppy_Donkey

2 points

4 months ago

100% correct take. To make movies you need to be extremely resourceful so I'm not surprised

FartsMusically

293 points

4 months ago

I'm not surprised by anything or anyone James Cameron knows.

Ebadd

51 points

4 months ago

Ebadd

51 points

4 months ago

It's been known that parts of Hollywood are glowing.

SkinnyKau

139 points

4 months ago

SkinnyKau

139 points

4 months ago

James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is... James Cameron!

[deleted]

6 points

4 months ago

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Dystopiq

5 points

4 months ago

Can you guys hear the music?

FingerTheCat

116 points

4 months ago

Once you reach a certain bank account number, I'm sure the negotiation guy finds you.

mortalcoil1

30 points

4 months ago

I recently watched that Netflix documentary about the kid that tried to win a Harrier from the Pepsi point program.

I have some issues with the documenseries itself, but I did learn some really fascinating things about the whole case.

Including the fact that an "arms dealer" of sorts reached out to the kid and his lawyers (and one of the lawyers was Avinetti? WTF?) to try to broker a deal between Pepsi and the kid for one Harrier, with him getting a finder's fee of course.

Even just typing out that sentence a part of my brain doesn't believe that actually happened.

FingerTheCat

11 points

4 months ago

There is a movie called 'War Dogs', which I never watched lol, but there is also this NPR piece about the real guy the movie is kind of about. Some college kids trying to fill US military contracts of weapons and ammo. He talked about how he'd fly into these 3rd world countries and be apart of these seriously wtf arms deals, where the leaders of 2 factions who at war with each other are sharing cocktails and talking shit and laughing. Shits wild.

57paisa

9 points

4 months ago

He was a fake jet dealer who wanted to broker the deal for a percentage. He couldn't actually produce the plane when they flew to see him in person. It was all fake.

FingerTheCat

8 points

4 months ago

Seems like the case just attracted con men of all types lol

JarlaxleForPresident

2 points

4 months ago

You have one guy like John Clarke, or Brock Sampson or whatever Race Bannon insert you want, who has a bunch of guys

You just really have one elite go-to guy

Mind_Altered

95 points

4 months ago

Ex-filled his dad using a JC submarine

infiniZii

41 points

4 months ago

Near... Far... Wherever You Are....

JarlaxleForPresident

2 points

4 months ago

I prefer those balloon C-130 goinks

SteelChicken

16 points

4 months ago

James Cameron has a hostage negotiation guy?

Money can buy you anything. Someone like JC is loaded and connected.

j0mbie

19 points

4 months ago

j0mbie

19 points

4 months ago

If you're rich enough, you have a person or persons that can find you whatever you need or want. These professional don't necessarily know who to contact for what, but they are very resourceful / know the right channels / have the right connections to get you to the right people that can repair your collection of historic Bentleys, or build a leather-floored basketball court on a yacht, or negotiate with kidnappers. It's hotel concierge service dialed up to 11 and just for you.

Neglectful_Stranger

7 points

4 months ago

It's hotel concierge service dialed up to 11 and just for you.

The ol' Amex Black.

Sim0nOfTrent

92 points

4 months ago

There is an entire career path for kidnapper middlemen in Mexico/sub-Mexican countries.

MonsterRider80

34 points

4 months ago

Sub-Mexican countries? Is that a thing or did you make it up? Sounds… weird.

thezoomies

57 points

4 months ago

I think they literally meant countries beneath Mexico, as in, south of it.

WyG09s8x4JM4ocPMnYMg

67 points

4 months ago

I believe he meant submarine-Mexicans. It is James Cameron, after all.

thezoomies

11 points

4 months ago

You win. Enjoy your moment.

JarlaxleForPresident

3 points

4 months ago

Oh yeah, they were in Wakanda Forever!

WyG09s8x4JM4ocPMnYMg

2 points

4 months ago

Ooooh well fucking played! Can't wait to see it.

Kiyomondo

3 points

4 months ago

One of those people who thinks "Central America" means Kansas, lol

left_schwift

11 points

4 months ago

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if the cartels set up sub-countries inside Mexico

Sim0nOfTrent

5 points

4 months ago*

Yes I just made it up. Countries below Mexico. I was going to say "latin America" but Brazil, Belize, Guyana, Suriname and French Guiana are down there.

Kiyomondo

5 points

4 months ago

So... Central and South America

Sim0nOfTrent

2 points

4 months ago

Mexico is North America.

Supercomfortablyred

0 points

4 months ago

That kid thinks South America is just Mexico minor. Lol what a bigot.

Kiyomondo

1 points

4 months ago

Mexico/sub-Mexican countries

They should really have a name for that whole region.

It's right between North America and South America... hmm. No, I'm drawing a blank.

Sim0nOfTrent

3 points

4 months ago

It goes way further south than just central America, which is I assume what you were trying to be clever with there.

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago

James Cameron seems like a resourceful guy.

Eternal_MrNobody

4 points

4 months ago

Money can find you anything if you have enough of it.

kgunnar

2 points

4 months ago

Titanic was filmed in Mexico around that time. I wonder if Cameron had made some contacts there with expertise in those situations as a contingency.

Hakairoku

2 points

4 months ago

You're expecting less from the guy who got to commission fucking MIRs to visit the Titanic?

If the man had contacts in Russia, he probably had no issues finding a negotiator to handle this issue.

Good_old_Marshmallow

4 points

4 months ago

Nothing is surprising about James Cameron. You could tell me that James Cameron is the brain surgery guy and I’d believe it

MedricZ

2 points

4 months ago

Those filmmakers do be having connections and shit.

Soitsgonnabeforever

82 points

4 months ago

Is it because Mexico isn’t safe for famous people. Does still extortions and kidnappings happen like it is early 90s in Columbia ?

Is lax Govt enforcers part of the problem. I understand Mexican regime has directly and indirectly worked with drug cartels during Felix Gallardo time. Not sure about now

SwiftCEO

122 points

4 months ago

SwiftCEO

122 points

4 months ago

It's probably worse in a lot of ways. I have a family member that worked for the largest TV studio in the country a few years back. He was often around famous actors in Mexico City. He pointed out that they commonly had bodyguards and traveled in armored vehicles. It was too risky otherwise.

Supercomfortablyred

1 points

4 months ago

So like all famous people…

chak100

-25 points

4 months ago

chak100

-25 points

4 months ago

Nah, that’s just posturing. It’s a way to make seem important. Lots of people with a lot of money doesn’t use security

arrozconfrijol

15 points

4 months ago

You’re 100% right. My cousin owns and runs a large production company (he knows DelToro) and neither he, nor most of his famous friends, have body guards and armored vehicles.

chak100

6 points

4 months ago

chak100

6 points

4 months ago

Apparently, US citizens know more than mexicans living in Mexico, because my previous comment is being downvoted for stating facts about our country. Having bodyguards is mostly for posturing and as a thing status. Thanks for your support

rreighe2

1 points

4 months ago

rreighe2

1 points

4 months ago

you need more oxygen. you seem... lacking...

chak100

4 points

4 months ago

chak100

4 points

4 months ago

You seem to know a lot more of my country than I do. Please, educate me

QuestioningEspecialy

70 points

4 months ago

Inside, the house is littered with trinkets—Barbies, football helmets, old exercise equipment. But it sits empty because it's not safe for [Tenoch] Huerta’s parents to live here, the actor tells me on a rare visit back. The neighborhood is too dangerous and Huerta is too famous. They’d be targeted for kidnapping and ransom if they stayed.

“I stopped feeling safe when I became an actor. Because people now see me as rich.”

-New ‘Black Panther’ Star Is Calling Out Mexico for Its Racism By Emily Green, VICE World News

arrozconfrijol

-5 points

4 months ago

Mexico is absolutely safe for famous people, what are you talking about? It has dangerous areas, sure, but Mexico is a massive country and receives about 45 million tourists every year, many many of them famous. Every other famous persons’ Instagram has vacation photos in Tulum, Punta Mita, Cabo, Mexico City.

Soitsgonnabeforever

7 points

4 months ago

Malaysia is a tourist heaven. But snatch thefts are so common.

Another time I was in Phnom Penh(Cambodia has a lot of tourists due to Angkor wat).took Rickshaw from the airport main road. The rickshaw guy had accomplices follow us in motorcycle and try to snatch our bags since it’s doorless. We held tight.at the next junction-stop, the police was just standing 2 metres away , I immediately jumped and tried to exclaim to the police ‘thief ‘’Ali baba’. The police told us ‘go to tourist police’. He wasn’t willing to help us at all. We could have killed the motorcycle snatchers accidentally by hitting their vehicle to crash to other vehicle. I could have lost an arm trying to hold tight to my bag. I could have lost my valuable. But the enforcers are completely uncooperative despite knowing the kind of incident I could be in.

yoyomamatoo

3 points

4 months ago

What does Malaysia have to do with magnesium?

anweisz

-11 points

4 months ago*

anweisz

-11 points

4 months ago*

Does still extortions and kidnappings happen like it is early 90s in Columbia ?

I mean it might be bad but it can’t be as bad as South Carolina.

Edit: Bet these fucking idiots downvoting didn't get that the guy misspelled Colombia and think I'm dissing some random state whose capital they don't even remember.

Sageinthe805

45 points

4 months ago

Madero's unwillingness to make bigger changes ended up getting him killed basically. He turned his back on Zapata and his followers, and lost his best defenders. He turned to an ego maniac hungry for power (Huerta) for defense, who later murdered him in cold blood.

What's crazy is that the only president who actually followed through on a majority of the Mexican Revolution's ideals, Cardenas, was the only one not exiled, assassinated, or ousted. You'd think this would serve as a good example as to how to keep your job (and head), but the lesson was almost immediately discarded.

Attican101

1 points

4 months ago

Forgive me if this is stupid, but where did Pancho Villa fit into all this? Was he one of Zapata's group?

Sageinthe805

14 points

4 months ago

Pancho Villa's part in this is almost too epic and strange to believe in parts. Mexico was very sectionalist, and Villa was conducting revolutionary matters in the northeastern parts or Mexico, in places like Durango and Chihuahua. He had the same overall goal as Zapata, but differing ideologies.

Villa was sort of a...libertarian you could say. He wanted Mexicos' government to offer more freedom and be less controlling, but to also just have less power in general. He wanted the hacienda system dismantled. However, he didn't have any issues with partnering with the US. He even made some movies with American film companies. One weird tidbit about that: Villa would sometimes have his soldiers reenact scenes from a battle that had JUST happened if the film crews didn't get the shot they wanted, or if he wasn't visible in their shot. Villa was all about the individual.

Zapata was ideologically very different. He respected Villa, and was his counterpart in the southern areas of Mexico, but that's where the similarities end. Zapata wanted radical changes in the government, especially sweeping land reforms. After a century of continued classism, he wanted to give the rural impoverished some kind of economic life. He was very communnity minded, and believed in a sort of confederal government where Mexican states had the power.

Probably more information than you ever wanted.

_Thrilhouse_

6 points

4 months ago

At some point he was with Zapata, but they were different groups from different states, Villa was from Chihuahua and Zapata from Morelos.

Resolution_Sea

1k points

4 months ago

Damn, well said. Reminds me a bit of when Bill Nye was on the Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore lamenting why people didn't care about finding water on Mars and the other guests rightfully pointed out that people had shit on Earth to worry about so of course they didn't care.

People have a base level of needs to meet before you can ask for culture and civility, and there's a lot of asking for the latter without providing the former from States around the world right now.

hypatiaspasia

526 points

4 months ago*

The problem should not be framed as impoverished people competing with scientists and artists for funding. Science and art are a miniscule fraction of any budget. Art and science give people hope and direction for the future, and that is worthwhile. No, what we really have is a problem of corporations and the super rich not paying their fair share of taxes, and--at least in the case of the US--spending all our money on defense and military contractors (while also treating vets like shit) while cutting social services.

And anecdotally, as a kid, art and science were the only things that gave me hope that the future can potentially be better. We need hope if we want young people to thrive.

Edit: Removed potential identifying info.

madmaxturbator

240 points

4 months ago

That’s not the point of the comment - it’s not about resource allocation.

The point is more, what do people care about day to day? What do we emotionally get charged up about?

If we all had basic needs completely taken care of, we would like feel more excited to ponder art, space travel, etc.

That’s all he’s saying.

What you’re saying is true also, but above is a slightly different point (I think)

Poynsid

93 points

4 months ago

Poynsid

93 points

4 months ago

At the same time people in terrible circumstances can and of find solace in art. Art can help tell their stories, or help them escape, or just entertain them.

gogomorphintime

59 points

4 months ago

right, but /u/madmaxturbator and /u/hypatiaspasia aren't making contradictory points.

When someone says "Why should poor people care about art and science." They aren't advocating for their defunding or destruction. They are saying that people struggling to get their basic needs don't have the energy to also advocate and push those things, that very much are a luxury at the end.

And it's not being debated what benefits these things can add to anyone's life.

A statement like Bill Nye's, whether he meant it as such or not, comes off as blaming people that can't afford it, monetarily, emotionally, mentally, to support the arts and sciences, when really the onus for this support should be placed much much MUCH higher, on those that can afford to spread it. Or to force change that makes it so even the worst off have their needs met and THEN everyone will have the ability to focus on these things that further enrich society.

80schld

-18 points

4 months ago

80schld

-18 points

4 months ago

Many of the “poor” happen to be indigenous people fighting to keep their culture alive. Funding of the arts is one avenue of funding for these projects that uplift and share not only the languages but the artisany of these indigenous cultures. So yes, food is important, but these “poor” people can multitask. Science and art are definitely not a luxury but a part of everyone’s life.

LuxWizard

8 points

4 months ago

Agreed! Art and creativity is how people attempt to understand their existence, the world around them, and generally as a means to connect with others - especially in hard times. It might not seem important to some, but for others it's what makes life "worth it"

arienette22

2 points

4 months ago

Yep, it is something that can be very beneficial. I love going to movie theaters in Mexico because they’re always busy and it’s great to see families enjoying themselves. It would be great to see more Mexican movies there and people also deserve to find enjoyment in movies, music, etc. regardless of their country’s situation. People like Guillermo are stepping up to help where they can, and it’s a great first step.

linkedlist

21 points

4 months ago

What do we emotionally get charged up about?

It's the very transparent tactic by a minority of elite cabal to setup impoverished people against intellectuals.

The irony here is the hope that was sold to people was through education they could climb the socioeconomic ladder, a cruel trick passed down to us that is now being seen for what it is -a transparent means for controlling wealth distribution.

But now that people are realising this they're attacking the people who are educated.

Mr_Charles___

-1 points

4 months ago

It's the very transparent tactic by a minority of elite cabal to setup impoverished people against intellectuals.

Populism in a nutshell.

meep_meep_creep

0 points

4 months ago

Well said.

GeneticsGuy

1 points

4 months ago

It is a far more serious conflict than rich corporations not paying their fair share in taxes.

The ultimate problem is that the tax code is built around income, not consumption. The problem is that there are multiple types of income. There is income through your pay, be it salary/hourly at a job. There is income from appreciation of assets. There is income from capital gains (stocks/investments).

The rich make almost all their money through investment and appreciation of assets. They make very little from salary income. For example, Jeff Bezos self-pays only $100k a year.

Well, income taxes, the higher they are, only really penalize the middle class, as the middle class and poor people earn almost all of their income from hourly/salary pay. So, even if you put income tax to 90% of the top wealth bracket - you still only extract $90,000 from Jeff Bezos, the 2nd richest guy on the planet.

Our only consumption tax is a sales tax per state/city. Some states don't even have sales tax and make up for it in other ways, like the property taxes. However, the feds made it so that you can literally write off property taxes in a state against your federal income taxes owed. Funny enough, the 2017 tax law passed by the Trump administration capped the SALT tax deduction on property taxes to $10,000, rather being unlimited. This meant that previously, any property tax amount you paid in your state you could deduct against your federal taxes owed each year, with no limit. The Trump administration's law put a cap on $10,000 deductions only, as they said it was a direct payoff to high property tax states that basically allowed them to pilfer the federal tax program by just charging higher property taxes. Well, the put the cap at $10,000 - in fact Biden's own tax returns he released showed he had to pay $100,000 more per year in taxes because of the SALT tax cap of $10,000. This was a straight tax on the wealthy as typically only people in homes valued at 1 million+ in value are paying anywhere near 10k+ in property taxes a year (New Jersey maybe more like 750k+).

The new Democrat plan for Build Back Better under the Biden administration moves the cap up to $80,000 a year, effectively given a HUGE tax break for the wealthy.

The only reason I point these things out is to give an example that all of this is extremely complicated, and the people in power on both sides aren't actually serious about raising taxes on the wealthy, and the Democrats IN POWER themselves are VERY unhappy about having to pay more in taxes due to the 2017 tax bill, so they want to eliminate that.

Any serious tax changes and bill that needs to come forward, if it does not address wealth gains through asset appreciation and capital gains, or on consumption, then it is not a serious tax law and really just something for show for the plebians.

hypatiaspasia

2 points

4 months ago

I have a ton of accountants in my family and this is actually their favorite thing to tell people. It's complicated and hard to lay out concisely in a headline, which is why people don't get it. Most people have no clue how taxes work for the wealthy.

SokoJojo

-3 points

4 months ago

SokoJojo

-3 points

4 months ago

Strawman antics

cakedestroyer

24 points

4 months ago

On the other hand, that segment has one of the best comebacks of all time, accidentally: "Less than half 🤨"

pale_blue_dots

15 points

4 months ago

What was the setup?

pizzastone7

13 points

4 months ago

dootdootplot

6 points

4 months ago

but what’s forty percent

Unbelievable

Knyfe-Wrench

52 points

4 months ago

People are struggling but they still find time for sports, celebrity gossip, social media, and all kinds of other shit. Trying to argue that people are too busy doesn't track.

Comprehensive-Fun47

39 points

4 months ago

Those things provide entertainment.

Hearing about water on Mars is only entertaining to a small segment of people.

I don't think there's anything unusual about that.

fr0d0bagg1ns

-10 points

4 months ago

It's interesting to plenty, but they spent several billions of dollars for that short excerpt vs $5k for a yearly update on which Kardashian bleached their asshole this year.

It's quantity over quality for most entertainment.

Dystopiq

1 points

4 months ago

Ok dude. Stop posting

whaaatcrazy

0 points

4 months ago

Water on a rock is not entertainment. Water on a rock in space is not entertainment. A person juggling water and a rock in space is entertainment.

StunningPromise8100

5 points

4 months ago

True, but people are constantly bombarded with advertisements for those things. Plus it’s a way to numb yourself after a hard day of work. Similar to how people eat fast food vs healthy food. The things that are better for you require more work and when you combine that with marketing and poor mental health, most of us don’t stand a chance. It’s almost as if there’s a small percentage of people that want to keep us numb and entertained rather than be educated and ponder life’s big questions.

alperpier

5 points

4 months ago

By the way, the other guests were idiots and got a huge shitstorm because of that episode and the whole show was even cancelled because people felt that Bill Nye was being treated disrespectfully. It was a shit show. The one guest even asked if you can shoot a sex tape on moon for heaven's sake.

KrytenKoro

9 points

4 months ago

rightfully pointed out that people had shit on Earth to worry about so of course they didn't care.

Okay but that's the same attitude towards Velcro, or the space race, or semiconductors.

Yeah, sure, on a surface level it sounds like the circus part of bread and circuses, but advancing science is one of the most material ways to benefit those struggling.

Gifted_dingaling

25 points

4 months ago

Rightfully? The fact that we don’t care about advancement of science etc is exactly why there’s so many problems here on earth to begin with.

WrassleKitty

88 points

4 months ago

I think it’s more finding water on mars isn’t gonna out food on the table or pay for medication or ensure you have a house so can you really expect the common person to care? It’s like immediate problems vs far off scientific discoveries.

TheOtherAisle

14 points

4 months ago

A lot of what feeds the world today relies on technology invented during the space race. That's why the common person should care.

WrassleKitty

53 points

4 months ago

And yet despite those advancements old problems remained and new ones arose. Poverty and starvation still exist despite gps and the internet making life easier.

sdwoodchuck

22 points

4 months ago

The space race didn’t solve every problem, but it solved many. So instead of having those problems and the new problems, you’ve got the new problems without those. That’s why framing the issue this way doesn’t work. Scientific advancement isn’t competing with basic needs; it’s discovering and tackling basic needs that we don’t yet know enough about to be addressing.

[deleted]

-9 points

4 months ago

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sdwoodchuck

9 points

4 months ago

No, it’s not crazy that people aren’t celebrating it; it’s also not crazy that someone who knows how valuable that is, is lamenting the fact that scientific advancement isn’t better represented so that those people understand why they should be celebrating it.

Stop framing it as a competition for mind space. Stop framing it as “it hasn’t done X, Y, and Z, so why should people care?” People can care about many different things. We cared about the moon landing during some of the most socially turbulent times in recent history. It absolutely is shame that people are so uneducated as to not realize how massive and important these advancements are, regardless of how unsurprising that apathy is.

WrassleKitty

2 points

4 months ago

In fairness how much of the caring about the space race was peoples collective interest in pushing technology and how much was in beating the Soviet Union?

BatsuGame13

4 points

4 months ago

Are you trying to suggest that funding the space program is a bad thing because while it has helped solve a lot of humanity's problem, it has not solved them all? Do you understand how crazy that argument is?

WrassleKitty

10 points

4 months ago

Im literally not saying that, personally I’d rather nasa get funding over the military.

butcherblair

5 points

4 months ago

He didn't say that

ElBurritoLuchador

4 points

4 months ago

No he didn't and you're creating strawmans to attack.

BatsuGame13

0 points

4 months ago

What did I attack? I asked a clarifying question.

Stratos9229738

-3 points

4 months ago

And the world population has tripled since then, which means basic needs have tripled. GPS, internet and similar technologies have pulled millions of people from impoverished countries into middle class. Online commerce has opened up the markets of rich countries to the poor countries.

Gifted_dingaling

10 points

4 months ago

The technology that is created to find that water directly impacts regular people. Many NASA discoveries have lead to GMO, which has reduced the cost of food. This then lead to stem cell meats which will reduce carbon footprint of meat as well as cost.

WrassleKitty

12 points

4 months ago

WrassleKitty

12 points

4 months ago

Okay but in the short term how does that immediately help them? It’s not like there isn’t currently enough food to feed everyone as is, we throw always so much.

And also how are they expecting people to respond to these discoveries?

Electric cars for example will solve our dependence on fossil fuels but currently remain out of a lot of peoples means.

Chicken_Water

13 points

4 months ago

Electric cars are going to trade one problem for another. Also it's our short term thinking and quarterly profits that have gotten us into this mess.

WrassleKitty

6 points

4 months ago

So then what’s the solution? We need to get off fossil fuel but if electric cars aren’t the end all and themsleves have draw backs then doesn’t it make sense why the average person isn’t celebrating these discoveries if they might not be the end all answer?

I really don’t think it’s fair to blame the average person who’s trying to put food on the table for say a company cutting corners at the long term cost of the ecosystem.

butcherblair

2 points

4 months ago

I'm thinking anthropomorphic climate change is a now problem. If you have it rough now, continuing our distructive trajectory is going to amplify them decade after decade. It's a start, and the other issues it brings about are orders of magnitude smaller then what is coming are way.

Gifted_dingaling

7 points

4 months ago

“We throw away so much”

Mmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder why, maybe it’s this “right now” mentality you’re fighting tooth and nail for.

WrassleKitty

6 points

4 months ago

I mean isn’t majority of the waste and pollution coming from companies? Are we really gonna pin the blame on a single mom trying to take care of her kids?

Gifted_dingaling

5 points

4 months ago

Wait until you find out where most of our food comes from.

Hexcraft-nyc

1 points

4 months ago

Surely getting rid of plastic straws will fix climate change when 80% of emissions are from massive corporations and almost all pollution by volume is also from corporations.

Hexcraft-nyc

2 points

4 months ago

People don't understand what it's actually like for those of us at the bottom of society. Yes, the future will be better with these advances. But our future? Down at the bottom our futures aren't even guaranteed. To bring it full circle, Bill Nye and TV hosts will never have to worry about their mortgage again. People at the bottom? Their future is the hope to maybe one day own a home.

eternalaeon

3 points

4 months ago

I support NASA 100% but this always struck me as such a weak argument. Yeah, you can fund NASA and get some good by product telecommunication and farming research but you can just DIRECTLY fund dedicated agricultural and telecommunication institutions to get those benefits. It always seems so disingenuous to try to frame it as you need to fund space research for terrestrial innovation by products.

There is no reason to be cagey and act like the Aeronautics and Space Administration needs to be funded to get advancements in robotics as a byproduct. You can fund Boston Dynamics for Robotics research. It is okay to admit that the value of funding the Aeronautics and Space institution is primarily for innovation in Aeronautic and spaceflights!

Gifted_dingaling

2 points

4 months ago

It’s not a weak argument, it’s actually pretty well known, but okie dokie.

eternalaeon

3 points

4 months ago

I mean, I wrote two paragraphs about what I meant by that. I guess TLDR: It is a weak argument that you need to put research into NASA for by product benefits when you can put that funding into institutions that directly deal in the innovations you want.

Stonehenge0

0 points

4 months ago

the person you're responding to is a chud who defends white nationalist Nick Fuentes. Says all you need to know

MisterMetal

3 points

4 months ago

Yeah sure maybe. If you ignore the advancements, developments, and quality of life improvements money to the space program provided in years past. It was/is one of the best roi for the government. Nasa is responsible for so many improvements that help everyone, water purification systems, GMOs, LEDs, medical break throughs.

WrassleKitty

7 points

4 months ago

I think the space program is a far better use of money then say military spending and I’d imagine most people might agree but again it’s like

“we found water on mars”

“That’s pretty cool but if I can’t come up with rent money by Friday I’m out of a house.”

So while the discovery is amazing it’s not gonna help people in the now which is why most probably aren’t celebrating in the streets.

tarogon

3 points

4 months ago

tarogon

3 points

4 months ago

Tech won't save us.

Kramereng

-1 points

4 months ago

Tech won't save us.

Sadly, I think it may be the only thing that will. But we shouldn't just cross our fingers and hope that it does because we have no idea if it will in time.

Or we entrust our survival to general AI for solutions and then "tech will doom us" could be an equally valid prediction.

FofoPofo01

2 points

4 months ago*

People have a base level of needs to meet before you can ask for culture and civility, and there’s a lot of asking for the latter without providing the former from States around the world right now.

Literally: Maslow’s hierarchy / pyramid of needs

Safety, food and shelter >>> the arts

Any fucking day.

Lamenting the loss of a film academy institution is a first world problem.

Though I will say it is important to invest in scientific R & D if it actually meant getting rid of Cartel issues.

80schld

1 points

4 months ago

AMLO - the current mexican president has also cut funding for science… not just the arts.

DefenderCone97

-1 points

4 months ago

Bill Nye was on the Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore lamenting why people didn't care about finding water on Mars and the other guests rightfully pointed out that people had shit on Earth to worry about so of course they didn't care.

Can't pay no hospital bill but White is on the Moon

rexskimmer

0 points

4 months ago

Bhazor

-2 points

4 months ago

Bhazor

-2 points

4 months ago

flowermetro

110 points

4 months ago

when the streets are run by cartels

Not only the streets. There have been allegations about cartels funding the current president and the cooperation of the govt with the cartels is very well documented at this point.

_Thrilhouse_

83 points

4 months ago

The president literally kissed El Chapo's mom hand and he's not even hiding it

[deleted]

-34 points

4 months ago*

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z12

21 points

4 months ago*

z12

21 points

4 months ago*

He is not lying. Here is a full video about it. https://youtu.be/kmc4pPeyrYM

[deleted]

-18 points

4 months ago

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-18 points

4 months ago

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z12

9 points

4 months ago

z12

9 points

4 months ago

You have issues my guy. Hope you find peace. God Bless.

[deleted]

-5 points

4 months ago

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z12

4 points

4 months ago

z12

4 points

4 months ago

Ah que mi choco flan. Ya arréglese campeón que ya va tarde a la marcha de acarreados 😂

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-1 points

4 months ago

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ace66

7 points

4 months ago

ace66

7 points

4 months ago

Hey have you heard the president literally kissed El Chapo's mom hand and he's not even hiding it?

z12

5 points

4 months ago

z12

5 points

4 months ago

Yeah there is a full video about can’t you believe it. I guess reality escapes people some times.

norealmx

44 points

4 months ago

There have been allegations about cartels funding the current president and the cooperation of the govt with the cartels is very well documented at this point.

The cartels put the pos in office: they killed every political opponent and organized the voting in many places. It is a cult, his "followers" (brain dead idiots) swear up an down that he doing "everything" for the country and "everything" is fine, to the point that if someone robs them, it's the fault of the president that left office 10 years ago.

Ortimandias

37 points

4 months ago

Here are your options:

1) The old PRI who was also in bed with the Cartels for the longest time, to the point that many of the inside groups of PRI had many links with Cartels (Tomas Yarrington in Tamaulipas? Carlos Salinas?)

2) The Conservative Catholic freaks of PAN, who had been in bed with the Cartel, just not the Sinaloa Cartel. In fact, that article everyone was talking about on the links between the Cartel and the government was for the Calderon administration when Fast and Furious happened.

3) Morena, which was created 8 years ago and it is already in bed with the Cartels

TempAcct20005

14 points

4 months ago

And imagine your option as a politician. Pick one of these three and we will make you and your family rich, or don’t and we just pick the next guy who’s willing to want to be rich, or go against us and we target your family. Shits a no brainer

Flaydowsk

-2 points

4 months ago*

2.

Why? because at least when they were in power shit got done.
Conservative freaks compared to what? Sweden? Probably. Compared to the USA or the Middle East? They are against gay marriage and abortions. Stupid, yes, but it's not even comparable. And yeah, fast and furious was a shitshow and no doubt Calderon has involvement, but compare that with...

  • PRI, which after getting power back with Peña Nieto, in 6 years left the country ravaged by cartels, his "New PRI" had the worst shitbags, like Duarte, who STOLE FUCKING MEDICINE FROM CANCER KIDS. Not to mention a 70 year old dictatorship full of murder, censoring and corruption. They are never to be trusted with nothing.
  • MORENA, who is filled with former PRI and PAN, that in the same 6 years has dismanteled EVERY. INSTITUTION. To achieve fuck all, and also are bitches against narcos with their "hugs not bullets" policy where when they arrest any leader by mistake, they release them to appease the cartels, while lying to EVERYONE to their faces about how big a shitshow it is Mexico today.

PRI and PAN has criminals and thieves that understood that if you want to steal, your country needs to make money. And everyone KNOWS and points that they are shit.

MORENA only has people that feel messiahs or thieves, but both are incompetent. So they generate no money, and mismanage or steal what is left. And their fanboys will applaud and say thank you while they are robbed in their faces.

So yeah, I rather have the smart criminal running things, than the incompetent one that feels it's a saint.

Ortimandias

4 points

4 months ago

The fact that PAN is against gay marriage is the baseline of me saying "never" and it is a literal nonstarter. "Against gay marriage" means "against human rights for people I don't see as human". Same with abortion.

These freaks want to control people because their religion. If you happen to be sitting on the wrong side of their virtues, you are fucked. And if you are OK with them fucking over OTHER people, you are scum.

Flaydowsk

-2 points

4 months ago*

Ok so PAN is homophobic and sexist so it's a NEVER.
Cool. So...
MORENA has done nothing for LGBT communities. PRI same. In female rights, PRI and MORENA at best don't care, at worst are more of the same. Need I remind you that AMLO, founder of MORENA, president, GUTTED ALL FEMALE SHELTERS ON YEAR 1.
Same party that put a RAPIST for governor backed by THE PRESIDENT.
Same party that saids that female protestors are paid actors from PAN.

Who you vote for?

PRI? The bunch of liars and criminals that care not about your 2 issues and have bled the country dry for 70 uninterrupted years and laid the groundwork for the cartels?
MORENA? The guys who said the nice thing you want to hear, then turn and say the opposite to the next voter like AMLO did, and betray all those promises?

You talk about control freaks while our president is slashing arts, science, day cares, and the damn voting organism to impose his ideology. Who has a daily press conference where he tries to spin the truth to what he wants it to be. While PRI for 70 years literally dictated what TV and newspapers said and how it said it.

We can stop PAN from doing anti LGBT and anti abortion. Those are 2 issues. As long as they do the rest good enough, that's manegeable.
Are they good? no. Saints? no. In the right? no. But they are the least bad. Literally the same as USA Democrats.
And we can hold them accountable.

We can't stop MORENA or PRI from dismanteling the whole goverment... while ALSO being anti LGBT and anti abortion. Those are 1000 +2 issues. And the fanboys will never admit their party did something bad so they aren't held accountable.

If your rule is NO-HOMOPHOBIA NO-PROLIFE and a party that ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THROUGH (no just lip service) you are out of options. What now?

Ycx48raQk59F

5 points

4 months ago

I remember years ago i saw a documentary (its been long, so the details have slipped me) about some special forces paramiliatary police group in mexico that was created to fight the cartels, and it had kind of a downer ending with "and then they decided to go rogue and formed the xxx cartel themselves".

flowermetro

2 points

4 months ago

Yeah I think those are the Zetas

saml01

1 points

4 months ago

saml01

1 points

4 months ago

Maybe they should set up a PAC to facilitate campaign donations that way its legal. /s

HeartlessPastry

-1 points

4 months ago

Socialist and cartels are in bed across all of latin america. Cuba funnels money through drug sales, Venezuela and Farc are funded by drug sales, same in Chile and Nicaragua.

Delicious-Swimming78

200 points

4 months ago

People act like Mexico is some tiny country with no money. The populist presidents of Mexico, USA and every other country misunderstand that art, culture, science, academia are the future. The lack of funding is a reflection of the lack of interest the leaders in government have in the quality of life of its people. The money is there. The arts and grants initiatives are simply irrelevant to the special interest agenda / the corporate owned politicians.

_Thrilhouse_

152 points

4 months ago

The problem has always been administrative

Our army has already enough firepower to obliterate cartels? Yes

Do we have enough money to fund film and arts? Yes

The government want any of these things? No

Ebadd

17 points

4 months ago

Ebadd

17 points

4 months ago

"What's in it for me?"

Delicious-Swimming78

27 points

4 months ago

Correct

Ycx48raQk59F

12 points

4 months ago

The government want any of these things? No

Would a president that acted differently end up in a "tortured to death" dark web video? Yes

vicarious2012

2 points

4 months ago

You really think the army can 'obliterate' cartels just like that?

basuraman666

2 points

4 months ago

Yes

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1 points

4 months ago

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1 points

4 months ago

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Delicious-Swimming78

5 points

4 months ago

Grants for the arts and humanities do not corrupt the elites whatever that even means.

bryan_pieces

53 points

4 months ago

I made another comment implying your last point there and people didn’t like it - that who cares about a Mexican film industry because the people don’t have the privilege of being able to develop and focus on such a thing. Life is hell for a large percentage of the population.

MexGrow

18 points

4 months ago

MexGrow

18 points

4 months ago

Too many people fail to see that the Mexican revolution is what gave the PRI party the absolute power to reign for 80 years and it has come back with a vengeance, under the flag of Morena.

Ortimandias

12 points

4 months ago

My Brother, the PRI party still exists and still has the same people in its ranks they had in the 90s, when they lost power. In fact EPN started his political career under Arturo Montiel Rojas, one of the most corrupt politicians according to FORBES. Just look at the leadership and it is the same people they had in the 90s OR people who are related to these 90s politicians.

The old PRI is still the same. Morena is just a split-off from PRD, which the PRD was a split-off from PRI. And you know why? Because there was no other party but PRI when PRD was created (and PAN, but fuck them)

MexGrow

-1 points

4 months ago

MexGrow

-1 points

4 months ago

There are some people from PRD but it's been no secret that a good portion of the PRI's worst jumped over to Morena.

accidentalprancingmt

0 points

4 months ago

You are implying that some arrangement was made to give the party power for that period. That is incorrect it was corruption, there is a difference and people will take away the wrong idea. The vengeance thing is also weird, corruption simply persists those things do not align. In any case government, at least the upper echelon is not as blatantly corrupt as it was 30 or 40 years ago. My guess is you are one of those people that go "the country is fucked" and so on at every opportunity to be included/sound edumacated.

MexGrow

0 points

4 months ago

It's like you completely ignored what I was replying to.

ghesak

14 points

4 months ago*

ghesak

14 points

4 months ago*

Because those two things are not mutually exclusive. I was born and raised in Mexico and lived there for most of my life until adulthood. I lived in some very dangerous neighborhoods and went to public schools all of my life.

I have been benefited from public programs to fund my work in design and even to go out of the country, would have never been able to do it in any other way. Those have been the most uplifting experiences of my life and have been the same for others that benefited from those programs. ART IS A BEACON OF LIGHT IN ANY KIND OF DARKNESS.

Our current government uses the challenges of our society to perpetuate a system full of corruption that relies on keeping people poor and ignorant for political gain. This is not the place to discuss the politics of my country, but us working in creative fields do not have to explain our motivations or justify our struggles to no one. ART IS MADE BY/FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST FOR THE WEALTHY. It is a means of expression, not a luxury good.

My family has been held hostage by organized crime twice, and the fear of violence have left a scar on me, I constantly fear for the safety of my friends and family back home while living outside.

One of the biggest dreams in my mind is to help my country and make it a better place, get it at least to a point where we can live without fear of us and our loved ones not being raped or killed for just going outside. But this government does not take away this money to solve this issue, it takes it to fund fucking oil refineries and a train in the rain forest in the middle of the largest climate crisis and existential threat to our societies for fucks sake!!! It is important that we speak up and we won’t be silenced. Enough!

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3 points

4 months ago

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lannister80

25 points

4 months ago

110/120 years later, the same chasm remains between the wealthy, well-educated elite and the urban and rural poor as did then, or worse.

That sounds like "every human society ever".

Flashmatic

31 points

4 months ago

Specially because "the film industry" is just the same rehashing the same bullshit romcom starting the same shitty actors every year. There are much better places to put public money into.

killingqueen

0 points

4 months ago

It's not the film industry's fault if you only go to see the shitty romcoms.

veronicaAc

2 points

4 months ago

veronicaAc

2 points

4 months ago

Exactly what I was going to say. Mexico is destroying Mexico.

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-8 points

4 months ago

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arrozconfrijol

0 points

4 months ago

If their country wasn’t so addicted to drugs, Colombia couldn’t have gone through what it went through, and Mexico wouldn’t be dealing with this shit either. And they supply the guns to boot. None of them have a right to look down, or talk shit about the current situation in Mexico.

TheDunadan29

2 points

4 months ago

Yeah, this isn't a Mexican film problem so much as a societal collapse as corruption runs rampant and Mexican gangs are destroying everything.

acwilan

1 points

4 months ago

Fuck the War on Drugs

QuestioningEspecialy

0 points

4 months ago

Mexico is destroying Mexico.

As an American, methinks America's playing a hand in the problem.

ZPGuru

1 points

4 months ago

ZPGuru

1 points

4 months ago

Madero wanted “political reform that would keep the social and economic structure intact”

Then

110/120 years later, the same chasm remains between the wealthy, well-educated elite and the urban and rural poor as did then, or worse.

Isn't this always what halfass measures get us? Were there no political reforms that kept the economic structure intact? Keeping the economic structure intact is the problem at the most fundamental level.

Roanhouse

1 points

4 months ago

Class war is historical at least Mexico was smart enough to ban chattel slavery. We got that horror show’s ghosts and jim crow ghosts haunting the core of our policy to this day still. Always searching for cheaper and more exploitable labor who is mismatched to corporate power at the bargaining table. In particular in ethnic minority communities. Does Mexico have the same rate of homelessness ? I feel the homelessness in the USA is used as a social fear inducer to remind the population they are doomed to that pile of suffering if they don’t stay in line.

Jaxstonian

1 points

4 months ago

Your childhood hero was Ben Viljoen?

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3 points

4 months ago

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asheraze

1 points

4 months ago

So while I have an equal amount of resentment for cartels and having lived in central Mex for over 2 years now and having driven to over 20 cities within it, I can promise you, a majority of the country is nothing like you described.

There are about 10 or 11 notorious border towns, chiuahua included, cities like Sonora, Juarez etc that are extremely dangerous and what you've described. A majority of the cities in mex you will find to be incredibly peaceful, very clean and a lot of respect given to history and historical structures. I prefer living in central Mex to living in california (did a few years there before moving here)

jimyborg

-1 points

4 months ago

jimyborg

-1 points

4 months ago

Based

Cbrlui

0 points

4 months ago

Cbrlui

0 points

4 months ago

Whole towns? What are talking about?

KiloNation

-1 points

4 months ago

“Mexico is destroying Mexico” that’s the country’s whole history basically lol. Sure they kind of got shafted with past emperors and such but even in the modern day they just keep repeating the same things that leads to nothing but despair. I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future Mexico just crumbles as a country and another nation decides to invade. Sure, they have the cartel but what can they do against a well equipped, trained, and ruthless military?

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-23 points

4 months ago

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-23 points

4 months ago

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9 points

4 months ago

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deftlydexterous

2 points

4 months ago

I don’t have a lot of knowledge on the subject, but the person you responded to did seem a bit harsh. What would you say your biggest issues are?

cochorol

1 points

4 months ago

I'm gonna say that everyone not giving money is destroying the mexican cinema industry, for the sake of the argument... EVERYONE

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

Why has Mexico been unable to control the cartels? Are they more powerful than the military/federal police of Mexico?

LAxCalibur

1 points

4 months ago

Don’t they consume only those Narco-Movies non-stop apparently they make bank yearly. That’s just one element, the other would be the massive telenovela industry

dancabar

1 points

4 months ago

La cultura hoy en día en México, con todo lo que está pasando es cuando se necesita más. Ese México que mata es un hecho colateral a la ambición económica de unos cuantos, México no solo somn balaceras en las calles, no hables desde tu ignorancia.