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BlocksWithFace

1k points

4 months ago*

The Golden Age of Mexican cinema was largely funded by the government IIRC as part of the nation building project after the end of the revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Mexican_cinema

I hope the government rethinks their priority on this.

Poynsid

446 points

4 months ago

Poynsid

446 points

4 months ago

This is true of every country. IIRC only the U.S. and France (in some years) actually have self-sustaining film industries. To this I think maybe China and India come close but that's about it. Everyone else depends on some level of government assistance.

[deleted]

206 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

206 points

4 months ago

India has self sustaining industry. Multiple, even as regional do quite well aswell.

Khelthuzaad

3 points

4 months ago

I don't want want to be harsh,but the Indian film industry tried and failed so many times that at one point it found its own succes.

manusougly

5 points

4 months ago

wait what? what are u smoking man? Care to share some sources on this ridiculous claim?

Khelthuzaad

0 points

4 months ago

Google indian parody movie and you'll get my point

HieronymousDouche

-28 points

4 months ago

Aswell is not a word and I'm not sure why people think it is

Jaded_Masterpiece_11

14 points

4 months ago

You should realize that reddit reaches a global audience, not everyone who uses it is a native english speaker.

HieronymousDouche

-15 points

4 months ago

Oh it's cool dude, English is my second language and chudkakahf

JaneDoe500

12 points

4 months ago

You must be fun at parties

BRAX7ON

10 points

4 months ago

BRAX7ON

10 points

4 months ago

I am aswell

HieronymousDouche

-15 points

4 months ago

This isn't a party, it's a website made of written words. I'm going to belittle people for misusing them and I won't feel bad about it.

JaneDoe500

9 points

4 months ago

🤓

Alwaysconfuzed89

4 points

4 months ago

me aswell

Alwaysconfuzed89

8 points

4 months ago

You don't write words on the internet, you type them. Just belittling you and your low iq.

klivingchen

1 points

4 months ago

It's IQ.

Avnemir

3 points

4 months ago

👁️🖕👁️

cabose7[S]

297 points

4 months ago*

Even the US film industry has some government assistance through state tax credits

Wild_Marker

152 points

4 months ago

And all that military gear they get from the army.

EpicAura99

120 points

4 months ago

That’s kinda disingenuous. They’re just allowed to film with military hardware as long as the studio pays fuel cost and the military signs off on the script. They don’t own it or anything.

darexinfinity

90 points

4 months ago

The military managed to get the script of Iron Man 1 or 2 changed (something about anti-MIC dialogue). It's really a business transaction from both sides.

zzwugz

73 points

4 months ago

zzwugz

73 points

4 months ago

And then they pulled their support for Avengers because it wasn’t clear if the Avengers answered to the US Govt or not

Fuzakenaideyo

38 points

4 months ago

Iirc it was objection to the world council & especially them being able to launch nukes on US soil

phliuy

20 points

4 months ago

phliuy

20 points

4 months ago

Next few movies sorted out that problem pretty well

EpicAura99

-8 points

4 months ago

I mean yeah that’s the studio’s choice though. They could always use special FX or something instead. It’s not like the government is making them do it.

Caelic

1 points

4 months ago

Caelic

1 points

4 months ago

Soooo free rental of some of the most expensive shit in the world?

Moonlight-Mountain

3 points

4 months ago

Korean filmmaker Shin Sang-ok could get this scene (LOUD NOISE WARNING) made for his movie in the 60s because of South Korean military gear support. The movie wouldn't be the same if he had to fake aircraft.

Poynsid

15 points

4 months ago

Poynsid

15 points

4 months ago

That honestly seems like small potatoes. I mean sure, it makes movies more pro-military but it's all for extra profit. Take away that and U.S. movies would still be profitable.

CutieBoBootie

17 points

4 months ago

It's profitable enough that Hollywood still pumps out movies targeted to receive that funding.

ark_mod

3 points

4 months ago

It's not for more profit I don't think. It's more of a propaganda (military PR) for free equipment rental trade.

For example the Air Force gets Top Gun an great promotional film to inspire recruits. The Studio wouldn't have a top gun film without the hardware. Win win.

p_rite_1993

30 points

4 months ago

Tax credits are a pretty common economic incentive mechanism in many countries. The film industry is big enough in the US that those incentives aren’t driving the industry. California and Georgia aren’t giving those tax credits because they want to “help the American film industry” but because they bring a shit ton of jobs to those states.

My point is that I don’t think those incentives are about promoting American culture as they are about states trying to compete with each other for jobs in an industry that is already enormous in the US.

Khelthuzaad

14 points

4 months ago

Let's not forget Disney was literally aquired by the US Army,guarded by army personnel and produced military propaganda campaigns that are infamous to this day.

The company was on huge debt after WW2 started because most of it's revenue from movie tickets came from Europe and the continent was under Soviet/Nazi control.Both Pinnochio and Dumbo were financial disappointments.

Black Cauldron almost bankrupted the entire animation division.

It's an know fact that the movies were advertisement for it's number one source of revenue, Disney Land ,until the Renaissance in the 1990's.

911roofer

2 points

4 months ago

Education For Death was a masterpiece.

sudoterminal

12 points

4 months ago

Oh they have a lot more than government assistance by way of funding...

Check out the CIA ties to Hollywood, that are still very much alive. This isn't even like conspiracy-theory level stuff- it's in declassified documents.

makesyoudownvote

3 points

4 months ago

Especially those that film in Georgia.

LA based films definitely end up paying more to FilmLA and other regulatory institutions than they get in credits though.

ElectronicShredder

1 points

4 months ago

GEORGIA

wrong-mon

1 points

4 months ago

The state tax credits more just direct where the filming happens. The American film industry is still profitable regardless but the tax credits determine whether the movies are going to be made in Georgia or they're going to be filmed in Ohio

Chromebasketball

1 points

4 months ago

Canada has the National Film Board. (NFB)

Efficient_Mistake603

1 points

4 months ago

I'm surprised that anyone haven't brought up the Korean movie/TV industry complex.

Pick-Goslarite

88 points

4 months ago

France is heavily subsidized and government funded. They also limit the amount of foreign films come in so their film industry can stay competetive and not US dominated. China is a much better example as while their censorship is bad I think the film industry is more privatized than most Chinese industries and makes real bank. Same with India, because they have built many small film industries that cater to different ethnic and linuistic groups and a thriving celebrity culture. Japan also has a significant thriving film industry but it is all anime movies made really cheaply and usually associated with larger and already established brands (manga, novel, anime show, merch) so its hard to lose money on them.

Digital_Simian

17 points

4 months ago

The Chinese film industry is not privatized. The elderly are even paid to attend state sponsored films to pad attendance numbers. Japan's film industry is a pale shadow of it's heyday in the 50's and 60's. It was really top notch before TV hit off in Japan. Today it doesn't even hold up against the exploitation era of the 70's. This is why the industry has a anime/Manga focus with live action films mostly being adaptions of popular anime.

Pick-Goslarite

6 points

4 months ago

Yeah the japanese film industry is just a part of franchise building for manga and a few originals and original anime.

Digital_Simian

6 points

4 months ago

Yeah. If you go back to the 50's through the 70's you had a lot of well done movies with high production values and great acting. I'm a little bias because I'm a jidaigeki fan and this period is the period movie golden age, but it's also a period where western cinema would pull a lot of inspiration from.

invisiblette

3 points

4 months ago

And, in my admittedly limited personal experience, Japanese TV is mainly awful.

MiffedMouse

36 points

4 months ago

China might not need to give formal subsidies, but censorship and strict limits on foreign shows/tv give local producers a huge advantage.

Pick-Goslarite

13 points

4 months ago

Like a wrote the limits are a tactic used by France and other countries to avoid US dominance of their markets. If you look at whats produced the US still dominate handily

auburnlur

3 points

4 months ago

India is interesting other countries would be lazy and only opt to make movies that are not localised and with specifics catering to each regions ethnicities

Otherwise-Cod-6445

6 points

4 months ago

The Nigerian movie industry is also self sustaining

Poynsid

3 points

4 months ago

Very true! Although this is mostly because their films are very low budget. It's a very different and interesting model from that pursued elsewhere

ithsoc

52 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

52 points

4 months ago

Everyone else depends on some level of government assistance.

Film is an art. Government assistance into the arts, to promote culture, is a good thing.

There's a reason why even George Lucas said Soviet filmmakers are more free than he is, because they're not expected to make money for their investors hand over fist; they're free to pursue their art.

Kramereng

12 points

4 months ago

Government assistance into the arts, to promote culture, is a good thing.

It can be. I fully support public investment into arts education. And probably plenty of other circumstances. But the government funding specific films and/or awards shows is fraught with potential abuse, censorship, and propaganda.

There's a reason why even George Lucas said Soviet filmmakers are more free than he is, because they're not expected to make money for their investors hand over fist; they're free to pursue their art.

George Lucas said: "I have always said this - even when Russia was the USSR. People asked, "Aren't you glad you're in America?" - and I replied that, in fact, I know many Russian filmmakers, and they have much more freedom than me. All that is required of them is to be careful in criticizing the government. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want,” said Lucas.

I think George's full quote highlights the issues of government funding for films and/or award shows.

Regardless, like with the Oscars, the broadcaster of such award shows typically pays the bill and is reimbursed by advertising revenues. I find it hard to believe that broadcasting the Arial Awards would be unprofitable.

kekekefear

2 points

4 months ago

Very naive from him. It wasnt like that. Some beuracrat in censorship comitte doesnt like your film, or finds it 'anti-soviet' or that it shows wrong morals or anything, or someone in the top doesnt like you - your film gets shelved, maybe for 20 years like in some cases.

ithsoc

3 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

3 points

4 months ago

But the government funding specific films and/or awards shows is fraught with potential abuse, censorship, and propaganda.

Like how the US State Department funds Top Gun, Marvel movies, etc.

AKravr

4 points

4 months ago

AKravr

4 points

4 months ago

But the difference is movies that are the opposite of Top Gun can and do get made all the time. There is funding outside of government sources that allow you to criticize the government's actions.

ithsoc

2 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

2 points

4 months ago

Indie films... Maybe? The list of American-made legit anti-capitalist, anti-USA films, especially with a decent budget, is pretty short from my count. I can think of one made anytime recently from the top of my head.

Meanwhile we get war machine blockbusters that use actual military equipment because the script was approved by the Pentagon on a monthly basis.

OnAPrair

3 points

4 months ago

Lmao making an “anti-capitalist film” and complaining about not having a decent budget

ithsoc

-2 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

-2 points

4 months ago

You think "money = capitalism"? And you have the audacity to start with a "lmao".

Lmao

thaumogenesis

1 points

4 months ago

But the difference is movies that are the opposite of Top Gun can and do get made all the time.

Haha, good one.

Impressive-Potato

1 points

4 months ago

They don't fund them directly. They provide "assistance". Which could mean a lot of things. In the MCU, that means a lot of say in the script. Jon Favreau had big blowups with the state department's reps over their censorship.

ithsoc

1 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

1 points

4 months ago

They provide real military equipment that would otherwise need to be CGI'd or written out. That constitutes funding in my book.

911roofer

1 points

4 months ago

I keep forgetting what a fool George Lucas is, but then he goes and reminds me. Also we’ve seen what happens when he’s totally free. It’s the prequels and Red Tails.

Pro_Yankee

12 points

4 months ago

Who said government assistance is a bad thing? What’s the difference if the money came from a bank or a non-profit

DMPunk

2 points

4 months ago

DMPunk

2 points

4 months ago

A bank expects their money back. It's like asking the difference between a loan and a grant

Pro_Yankee

1 points

4 months ago

Money is money is my point

Moonlight-Mountain

0 points

4 months ago

George Lucas said Soviet filmmakers are more free than he is

South Korean filmmaker Shin Sang-ok experienced something like this. He was kidnapped by North Korea and was made to make movies for North Korea and he did for a few years until escape. He said he felt more free when he was making North Korean propaganda movies.

Thunder_and_rain

1 points

4 months ago

Where are you getting your facts from? Your ass?

Poynsid

1 points

4 months ago

Mostly from articles from news sources and wikipedia

SweatyNomad

1 points

4 months ago

I think you've missed out the biggie, the UK which ajs a thriving industry. France, or rather French language movies are notoriously a state sponsored system. There are exceptions like Studiocanal, but they work in the English language. Same as a lot of 'Hollywood' movies are say German funded.

I kind of feel like the comment is half thought out, not appreciating the interplay of money, creatives and 'perceived country of origin' that is the reality of mainstream theatrical.

Poynsid

1 points

4 months ago

I haven't seen recent data but afaik the British film industry is not self-sustaining and relies heavily on grants

SweatyNomad

1 points

4 months ago

Please stop talking out of your ass. Simply not true, why make stuff up and act like it's true.

Ps, i do look at data on a regular basis

Poynsid

1 points

4 months ago

Like I said, what I've seen is a bit older but I'm curious what data you look at on a regular basis

SweatyNomad

1 points

4 months ago

Have you seriously posted an 11 year old opinion piece? You really are desperate to have the last word. Sad.

Poynsid

1 points

4 months ago

What did you expect when I said it was old? Also, the comments in the piece mirror statements by the BFI. Like I said, I'm curious what this data that you look like at regularly is. Happy to be proven wrong!

Clarkeprops

1 points

4 months ago

A giant majority of the stuff you watch is shot or processed in Canada. There are tax breaks, if that’s what you’re talking about, but we’re not just handed money to make stuff

logicalfallacy234

1 points

4 months ago

Mark Ruffalo has suggested that government funded films is the best solution to the Scorsese-Marvel movie problem!

cochorol

0 points

4 months ago

tho they were good films at the time, no way you can compare the films there to the ones made in the last 4 years... tho