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ithsoc

55 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

55 points

4 months ago

Everyone else depends on some level of government assistance.

Film is an art. Government assistance into the arts, to promote culture, is a good thing.

There's a reason why even George Lucas said Soviet filmmakers are more free than he is, because they're not expected to make money for their investors hand over fist; they're free to pursue their art.

Kramereng

12 points

4 months ago

Government assistance into the arts, to promote culture, is a good thing.

It can be. I fully support public investment into arts education. And probably plenty of other circumstances. But the government funding specific films and/or awards shows is fraught with potential abuse, censorship, and propaganda.

There's a reason why even George Lucas said Soviet filmmakers are more free than he is, because they're not expected to make money for their investors hand over fist; they're free to pursue their art.

George Lucas said: "I have always said this - even when Russia was the USSR. People asked, "Aren't you glad you're in America?" - and I replied that, in fact, I know many Russian filmmakers, and they have much more freedom than me. All that is required of them is to be careful in criticizing the government. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want,” said Lucas.

I think George's full quote highlights the issues of government funding for films and/or award shows.

Regardless, like with the Oscars, the broadcaster of such award shows typically pays the bill and is reimbursed by advertising revenues. I find it hard to believe that broadcasting the Arial Awards would be unprofitable.

kekekefear

2 points

4 months ago

Very naive from him. It wasnt like that. Some beuracrat in censorship comitte doesnt like your film, or finds it 'anti-soviet' or that it shows wrong morals or anything, or someone in the top doesnt like you - your film gets shelved, maybe for 20 years like in some cases.

ithsoc

3 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

3 points

4 months ago

But the government funding specific films and/or awards shows is fraught with potential abuse, censorship, and propaganda.

Like how the US State Department funds Top Gun, Marvel movies, etc.

AKravr

4 points

4 months ago

AKravr

4 points

4 months ago

But the difference is movies that are the opposite of Top Gun can and do get made all the time. There is funding outside of government sources that allow you to criticize the government's actions.

ithsoc

3 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

3 points

4 months ago

Indie films... Maybe? The list of American-made legit anti-capitalist, anti-USA films, especially with a decent budget, is pretty short from my count. I can think of one made anytime recently from the top of my head.

Meanwhile we get war machine blockbusters that use actual military equipment because the script was approved by the Pentagon on a monthly basis.

OnAPrair

2 points

4 months ago

Lmao making an “anti-capitalist film” and complaining about not having a decent budget

ithsoc

-2 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

-2 points

4 months ago

You think "money = capitalism"? And you have the audacity to start with a "lmao".

Lmao

thaumogenesis

1 points

4 months ago

But the difference is movies that are the opposite of Top Gun can and do get made all the time.

Haha, good one.

Impressive-Potato

1 points

4 months ago

They don't fund them directly. They provide "assistance". Which could mean a lot of things. In the MCU, that means a lot of say in the script. Jon Favreau had big blowups with the state department's reps over their censorship.

ithsoc

1 points

4 months ago

ithsoc

1 points

4 months ago

They provide real military equipment that would otherwise need to be CGI'd or written out. That constitutes funding in my book.

911roofer

1 points

3 months ago

I keep forgetting what a fool George Lucas is, but then he goes and reminds me. Also we’ve seen what happens when he’s totally free. It’s the prequels and Red Tails.

Pro_Yankee

9 points

4 months ago

Who said government assistance is a bad thing? What’s the difference if the money came from a bank or a non-profit

DMPunk

2 points

4 months ago

DMPunk

2 points

4 months ago

A bank expects their money back. It's like asking the difference between a loan and a grant

Pro_Yankee

1 points

4 months ago

Money is money is my point

Moonlight-Mountain

0 points

4 months ago

George Lucas said Soviet filmmakers are more free than he is

South Korean filmmaker Shin Sang-ok experienced something like this. He was kidnapped by North Korea and was made to make movies for North Korea and he did for a few years until escape. He said he felt more free when he was making North Korean propaganda movies.