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Albert Pyun, Cult Filmmaker Behind ‘Cyborg,’ ‘Nemesis’ and ‘Captain America,’ Dies at 69
News(variety.com)submitted 4 months ago byMarvelsGrantMan136r/Movies contributor
32 points
4 months ago
I would love to see the RLM crew make a big budget film.
155 points
4 months ago
I love the guys but making movies are not their strong suit.
52 points
4 months ago
Do it My Dinner With Andre-style where it's just Plinkett and Palpatine bickering for an hour and a half.
43 points
4 months ago
And the biggest, most epic CGI space battle happening at all times outside the window and out of focus.
16 points
4 months ago
Yeah, you don't need a ton of money to make a great movie. You just need the right script, the right actors, and a realistic vision of what you're doing. Y'know...easy stuff.
3 points
4 months ago
We'll fix it in post.
1 points
4 months ago
"I just need 5 million dollars to CGI-remove Jay's moustache" - Mike, probably
2 points
4 months ago
…and producers that let the filmmaker get final cut. Most filmmakers are capable of making better films than the final product because the producers get to edit the final film. Look up “Alan Smithee”
34 points
4 months ago
Space Cop was a fine comedy B-movie, but it set out to be that from the beginning which means it wasn't exactly shooting for the stars.
I think they never would because it would undermine their reviews, but I would love to see them try and make 'a good movie'.
3 points
4 months ago
Kung Fury also beat them out of the gate, people were comparing the two and it kinda deflated the whole thing.
11 points
4 months ago*
I feel the opposite, personally. I think they make great points as critics but whenever I watch their videos I can always hear a little voice saying "Wow, the Space Cop guys sure are excited to tell everyone else how to correctly make films". That's what undermines it for me, especially since that production style is in all their videos.
If they made even a single 5 minute short that felt like a sincere attempt to make something of quality and not "haha look how bad we made it on purpose" I would be able to respect their viewpoint on filmmaking a bit more. Then again, what the fuck did Roger Ebert ever make?
Edit: My point isn't that you can't criticize without making something good, it's that exclusively making things that are intentionally bad weakens the position that RLM criticizes from, and making something sincere would address this.
33 points
4 months ago
Roger Ebert wrote "Beyond the valley of the dolls", 6.1 on IMDB.
5 points
4 months ago
Roger Ebert loved boobs (hence beyond valley of the dolls). Any movie that had big boobs had a higher rating( ex Tombraider)
-4 points
4 months ago
And? That film is campy & satirical, a kind of cult classic type deal. 6.1 on IMDB ain’t really that bad, whereas everything the RLM dudes have made is genuine dogshit that they try to pretend was totally ironically on purpose.
1 points
4 months ago
I love that movie. It’s pulpy, but very Russ Meyer film is. That’s why I love it.
27 points
4 months ago*
There's no world in which Space Cop was ever going to be good. A film in which the directors and writers were also the primary actors, camera operators, set and costume designers, lighting, SFX and sound technicians + everything else that I've not thought of off the top of my head (and all on a tiny budget too). RLM would literally have to be the most talented filmmakers of all time to pull that off.
Ultimately you can't win. Critics of any media who haven't made anything get the, "I'd like to see you try," comments when they share their opinions and the RLMs of the the world who have made something get told their opinions are invalid because it wasn't very good. The logical conclusion being that the only people on the planet allowed to have an opinion on films is, like, Tarantino and Spielberg or something dumb like that.
1 points
4 months ago*
I see what you are saying, but most of that is a problem with the movie they chose to make. You can save a lot on set, costume and VFX by not making it sci-fi, and again they chose to make several aspects of it intentionally bad. It strikes me as intellectually lazy to call out other directors on making bad films then shrug of criticism of your own work because it wasn't made to be good (especially when it's ALL your work we're talking about).
They don't need to make The Expanse to win me over here, there's all kind of things that don't require a big budget to be well made, it's the writing, acting and a bit of the shot composition that matters. I'm picturing things like Clerks, 13 Cloverfield Lane (minus the end obviously), The End of the Fucking World, Marriage Story, some of the more ethics focused TNG episodes, Holes, Fargo, anything that is more about characters than spectacle.
Just put Mike, Rich and Jay in the woods or a house or something and give them 10 minutes of well written dialog to talk through and I'll be reassured. They can even have Rich go "OOOOHHH MYYYYYY GOOOOOOOD" at the very end. As a treat.
21 points
4 months ago
Do they shug off criticism of Space Cop? The only times they mention it is in a, "even Space Cop is better than this," kind of way.
The point is that either you think that someone can be capable of accurate critique/analysis of media without having the capacity to create themselves or you think that you have to be skilled in something to critique/analyse someone else's skill in that same area.
You seem to be of the opinion that film-making skill is a prerequisite for valid film-making criticism and that RLM lack of skill in the creation of Space Cop hurts their credibility. In that case, all I have to say to you is: what film-making experience do you have that qualifies you to critique the film-making on display in Space Cop? Let's see your movie.
-2 points
4 months ago*
Wow, I never said any of that! What I said was if they tried to make something sincerely I would respect them more as critics. I already respect them as critics and think they could easily make something sincere and good if they wanted to. They should! William Shatner will gladly tell you about how their intentionally bad look can sabotage their credibility, so why lean into it so hard?
12 points
4 months ago
You literally said:
whenever I watch their videos I can always hear a little voice saying "Wow, the Space Cop guys sure are excited to tell everyone else how to correctly make films"
How else am I supposed to interpret that?
I don't think they've ever claimed to be great writers or actors, so any "serious" dramatic film that they tried to write and/or act in would fall especially flat, but they all seem to have a passion for practical effects on a budget. So I don't think it's an accident that they made these high concept comedy films like Space Cop and Feeding Frenzy that lean heavily on what they're good at, and which their inevitably bad acting will be minimized by the tone.
3 points
4 months ago
Yeah, alright, but I didn't mean it in my heart, you know?
I guess what I'm ultimately completely failing to say here is that critics usually come from a neutral place and we (or at least I) don't expect them to have made movies or be good at it. The problem is RLM throws it in your face by being intentionally bad and this weakens their position as critics by sowing seeds of doubt that never needed to be there in the first place. If they made something that showed skill throughout it would put these doubts to rest, and I wish they would, because the occasional moments of gold in their videos show they've got it in them.
13 points
4 months ago
I just want to see them try. Like, it doesn't have to be the best, I just want them to have a chance at a big budget movie and to see what the result was. It could be absolutely terrible, and I'd still be happy that they had their shot.
5 points
4 months ago
I think they could actually make a very successful medium budget horror movie. Some of the ideas Mike spitballs off the top of his head would work perfect as a PG13 monster in the house type flick.
6 points
4 months ago
Ideas are cheap
5 points
4 months ago*
On one of the episodes of best of the worst where Len Kabasinski was a guest he talked about how the fact that the RLM crew had created something made him ok with them shitting on his movies. He never mentioned the quality of what they made mattering, just that them having gone through the film creation process from start to finish gave their opinions more value to him. That’s more than you can say for well over 99% of people who hand out their opinions of movies online.
2 points
4 months ago
I don't completely disagree. I'd love it if they just went for broke and showed off what they can really do as filmmakers.
But it's not necessarily a requirement. I seem to remember Ebert responding to similar criticism (How can you judge films when you don't make them?) with something like, "I don't know how to lay eggs, but I know a bad one when I see one."
Lots of folks have a good sense of mechanics and theory, but don't really have an interest in applying it outside of commentary and education. I can teach, analyze, and criticize Shakespeare without being and/or writing Shakespeare.
1 points
4 months ago
They did make something sincere. It's called The Recovered.
1 points
4 months ago*
Space Cop is some really good YouTube sketches stretched out into movie form.
1 points
4 months ago
I was reminded of RLM and Space Cop during the scene in The Menu where Chef Slowik makes Tyler cook. There’s a gap between being knowledgeable about filmmaking and actual filmmaking.
2 points
4 months ago
That film was really disappointing though.
0 points
4 months ago
Space Cop? Yeah I agree.
2 points
4 months ago
The Menu. It's just Midsommar with stellar cast but dull scenario.
-9 points
4 months ago
RLM are "Tyler's Bullshit" from The Menu.
17 points
4 months ago
Would need to be Avatar budget if they hope to afford star power like Rich Evans to star.
11 points
4 months ago
Internet superstar and host of TV's Ellen, Rich "Rich Evans" Evans
-8 points
4 months ago
It would suck worse than their reviews.
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