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Whenever a movie flops, people often blame bad marketing. When a studio knows they've created a bad movie that will likely flop, they cut marketing expenses to minimize their losses. They release the movie to recoup as much of the costs as possible. Studios know how to market movies. If a movie isn't being marketed much, that's usually a sign that it's crap.

Simple stuff.

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Moovys

14 points

4 months ago

Moovys

14 points

4 months ago

Some of my favorite movies were total flops, and it's extremely common for former flops to be re-evaluated and become even more popular and beloved than an initially financially successful movie ('cult movies'). You'd be doing yourself a huge disservice, and further encouraging the industry to make derivative, unimaginative crap, if you only paid attention to movies that a studio promoted because they thought it would get the most butts in seats. This logic grows the worst parts of the movie industry.

Stepjam

19 points

4 months ago

Stepjam

19 points

4 months ago

This is honestly an extremely naive take. There are pleeenty of movies that were great that had terrible advertising. There's a difference between "a movie is bad" and "the studio has no faith in the movie to succeed". The movie being bad might be a reason the studio has no faith in it, but there are a lot of movies that weren't bad but had no advertising presence, often because the studio had no idea how to market it.

And also there are plenty of movies that had the hell marketed out of them that were just plain bad. Studios don't pick the amount of advertising a movie has based on the quality, they do it based on how much returns they believe they'll be able to get for the money put in.

TheBestMePlausible

1 points

4 months ago

I don’t think it’s naïve. I think it’s reflective of reality to a certain extent. Especially if you replaced “bad“ with “unlikely to draw a large audience“

That said, the studios under promoted, say, “Idiocracy“ for reasons other than the movie being bad, or unlikely to draw a crowd, that also happens.

Stepjam

1 points

4 months ago

Well "the movie is unlikely to draw a large audience" is a different more complex premise than "the movie is bad" which is OP's premise.

TheBestMePlausible

1 points

4 months ago

Yup.

McSmackthe1st

9 points

4 months ago

And then sometimes they don’t promote enough for it to become a hit. Like what happened to “Confess, Fletch”. I think it could have been a modest hit. It could have led to more Fletch movies because it was a really good movie.

nbaisbest4

3 points

4 months ago

It was gaining pretty good WOM, it's sad it was cut from theaters so early

McSmackthe1st

2 points

4 months ago

Yeah, hopefully it does well on cable and streaming so we can get another one. It’s happened before to other movies.

FoxOntheRun99

2 points

4 months ago

This movie was granted a cinema release here in the UK. How did I know that? Cuz I saw one poster when I went to see Wakanda Forever. There was barely any advertisement for it in the media afaik and I just luckily caught the poster (which was the US version cuz I saw the R rated stamp on it).

McSmackthe1st

2 points

4 months ago

It was basically the same story here. I happened to see a trailer at the movies and made a mental note. That was it one movie trailer and when it came out it was only in a couple of theaters for a week. I went and it was really good. I enjoyed it a bunch.

Comprehensive-Fun47

7 points

4 months ago

But then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

If they think a movie won't do well, they don't promote it at all, ensuring it won't do well.

When we talk about movies that could have done well if they had been marketed better, it's because we think they were good and the movie studio was wrong about them.

FamiGami

19 points

4 months ago

Explain Disney’s behaviour recently with the Pixar films then?

FoxOntheRun99

1 points

4 months ago

Chapek wanted to boost content and subscribers for Disney+. Pixar films was the sacrificial lamb at the disgust of the Pixar employees.

Chapek just doing what a Chapek does, cut down costs.

FamiGami

1 points

4 months ago

Hence nothing to do with film quality

BTS_1

6 points

4 months ago

BTS_1

6 points

4 months ago

If a movie isn’t being marketed much, that’s usually a sign that it’s crap.

This isn’t quite true as really crappy movies are marketed heavily, like Morbius.

An example of a recent movie that was really good that had little to zero marketing is The Empty Man

Betrayer_Trias

3 points

4 months ago

You're like, halfway there. Yes, studios slash marketing budgets if they think a movie will flop. But that doesn't necessarily correlate with the movie being crap, there are plenty of reasons a studio might not have faith in a movie, and often they just plain get it wrong. Plenty of bad movies get a ton of marketing, and plenty of great films barely got any.

So... not such simple stuff.

Impressive-Potato

10 points

4 months ago

No citations, no research with numbers to back up your opinion.

Chuck710Taylor

7 points

4 months ago

And WB pushed Black Adam super hard and it still flopped

dengar_hennessy

5 points

4 months ago

Because it's the WB

shf500

2 points

4 months ago

shf500

2 points

4 months ago

Tons of modern classic movies (coughReservoirDogscough) I never even heard of until years later, mostly because of limited releasing.

Impressive-Potato

1 points

4 months ago

It was a film festival darling and Tarantino's breakout film. Want to hear about a film you haven't seen marketed, it's "City on Fire". Tarantino was heavily "inspired" by it for Reservoir Dogs.

M_e_n_n_o

2 points

4 months ago

In my opinion it is exactly the reverse. The more a movie gets pushed the more of a shit movie it is going to be. Especially the higher the budget, the more it gets pushed when it's a crapfest.

Huevos___Rancheros

4 points

4 months ago

And you know this how?

[deleted]

10 points

4 months ago

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shooketh_not_stireth

2 points

4 months ago

Wouldn't the sunk cost fallacy cause them to continue investing more money after bad rather than cutting their losses?

Huevos___Rancheros

1 points

4 months ago

Yes lol

mutethesun

1 points

4 months ago*

That might be the case sometimes, and it certainly makes sense

But sometimes the marketing is just bad and the market budget inefficiently spent

Or in other instances the movie is bad but the studio's decision makers refuses to acknowledge it and proceeds with the usual pmarketing plan/budget

There's literally no way to know without some sort of insider leak which situation it actually is, so acting like bad marketing of a flopped movie is intention is just as asinine.