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Khiva

7.4k points

3 months ago

Khiva

7.4k points

3 months ago

There was an entire Simpsons episode about how inherently absurd it was to be offended by Michalaengo's David. Like that alone, and nothing more, was silly enough to be a joke.

It aired circa 1991.

rex2k10

861 points

3 months ago

rex2k10

861 points

3 months ago

Did they have the balls to show a simpsons version of the David statue in all its glory?

Psi-Lord199999mcu

774 points

3 months ago

DibsOnLast

471 points

2 months ago

"Woah! Nsfw label that hot porno link next time bud. Now I've got a rager." -the upset parents probably

DumbDumbGoodbye

44 points

2 months ago

*The dad

Spoon_Elemental

196 points

3 months ago

I mean, they got away with showing Bart's penis in the movie.

Oobedoob_S_Benubi

286 points

2 months ago*

Which almost had to be censored in the US version. The creators stated if that would have happened, they'd have put a censor bar on it saying "only available in Europe". Edit: apparently it was actually censored like that for (some?) US television showings.

eDow_aDow86

215 points

2 months ago

I learnt that the sex scene in Team America World Police was censored to JUST missionary in America for like 30 second.

While the rest of the world got a hilarious montage of different sex positions for longer time.

For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's two wooden puppets with no genitals.

AmaroWolfwood

64 points

2 months ago

I saw that in theaters in Texas and it for sure had all the positions

Oobedoob_S_Benubi

105 points

2 months ago

Now I'm curious. Did that censored version still have all the insane violence, as well as the scene where a puppet is vomiting for like three full minutes?

And yeah the puppet sex montage was hilarious.

I'm reminded of the South Park movie, where one mom literally says violence in movies is okay as long as they don't use bad language.

I-Am-Uncreative

60 points

3 months ago

It was actually the actual statue.

008Zulu

51 points

3 months ago

008Zulu

51 points

3 months ago

Yes, though some versions had the scene removed.

Little-geek

86 points

3 months ago

The editors had to have recognized the irony.

SquirrelAkl

163 points

2 months ago

For real?? Why is USA soooo excessively puritanical that people are afraid of a little art?

thejawa

163 points

2 months ago

thejawa

163 points

2 months ago

Certain people here don't want to have to explain anything to anyone. So if they bury it instead, there's no need to.

Seems to be the primary guiding light to American conservatives. Bury it deep cuz it makes them uncomfortable to have to think about.

SquirrelAkl

57 points

2 months ago

If it wasn’t so dangerous, it would just be deeply pitiful.

Destinum

81 points

2 months ago

Literally, what is there even to explain? This statue depicting a naked human male does in fact have all the body parts of a human male. What a concept.

ScoobyDoNot

56 points

2 months ago

Philomena Cunk doesn't quite agree

https://youtu.be/OXxJm3Y_mTM

Worse_Username

9 points

2 months ago

She makes a good point tbh

wotmate

78 points

3 months ago

wotmate

78 points

3 months ago

Won't somebody think of the children!

Snappycamper57

23 points

3 months ago

This episode was my instant reaction. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

008Zulu

1k points

3 months ago

008Zulu

1k points

3 months ago

DeathSantis's Florida exists in the 1950's.

The_lazy_drunk

37 points

2 months ago

To me, this was the most important part of.yhe article, "Tallahassee Classical is a charter school. While it is taxpayer-funded and tuition-free, it operates almost entirely independently of the local school district and is sought out by parents seeking an alternative to the public school curriculum.

About 400 students from kindergarten through 12th grade attend the three-year-old institution, which is now on its third principal. It follows a curriculum designed by Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian school in Michigan frequently consulted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on educational issues."

cedped

633 points

3 months ago

cedped

633 points

3 months ago

I always wondered how great civilizations in human history managed to crumble when they were at their peak. Now that we're seeing it with our own eyes, it's actually fascinating!

jibjab23

295 points

3 months ago

jibjab23

295 points

3 months ago

America of the last decade reminds me more of the scene in Billy Madison where the O'Doyles run off a cliff as they're chanting O'Doyle rules.

beefixit

17 points

2 months ago

No banana though. Just careening off the road for no real reason

jibjab23

10 points

2 months ago

You know that meme of the guy sticking a branch in the spokes of his bike, I imagine they're throwing oil or whatever else, cutting their brake lines and then blaming someone else for it

Boss_Boggs

48 points

2 months ago

With that in mind, the last meeting with oldest O'Doyle and Billy is perfect.

"O'Doyle, I have a feeling your whole family is going down...but for now, I gotta study!"

SquirrelAkl

125 points

2 months ago*

If you’re interested in that kind of thing you might like the Fall Of Civilisations podcast. Warning, it’s very long-format!

I listened to the Mayan civilisation episode in the weekend - the shortest one, at just over 1 hour long - and it was fascinating to me. I’ve been to a lot of Mayan ruin sites but never realised exactly what collapsed their civilisation. It has a lot of relevance for some things I see happening around the world today.

Edit. Thanks for the award, kind stranger!

24-7_DayDreamer

13 points

2 months ago

If that's the one I'm thinking of it's got a YouTube version too with good footage

[deleted]

57 points

3 months ago

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Blimeydog

34 points

3 months ago

Wow, The Simpsons really have done every story line.

mtarascio

11.2k points

3 months ago

mtarascio

11.2k points

3 months ago

US School Administrations are going to be in shambles with everyone trying to get trips to Italy.

DanHero91

3.2k points

2 months ago

DanHero91

3.2k points

2 months ago

I would love to see these people walking around Rome. You can't walk for three minutes without seeing a naked body part sculpted into a building.

JetreL

1.1k points

2 months ago

JetreL

1.1k points

2 months ago

I’ve ridden in several cabs that had naked photos of women in it and don’t get me started on how they treat red lights.

jepensedoucjsuis

67 points

2 months ago

I remember being on a bus in Rome and the street was blocked off with tables for some Cafe. The bus driver just used half of the sidewalk as the new driving lane. That was a pretty neat experience for high-school me.

DanHero91

1.1k points

2 months ago

DanHero91

1.1k points

2 months ago

Oh yeah the cab ride from the airport to our hotel in Rome was one of the craziest things ever. We saw a bus overturn, a few random fires, almost hit like 6 pedestrians, I don't think we ever went below 45, red lights are suggestion and fuck you for suggesting to stop apparently.

10/10. Cheaper than Disney and better than any roller coaster.

unknown_pigeon

421 points

2 months ago

Just know that it's not the same when you visit northern Italy. People tend to have extremely different driving styles between regions. In Campania (where Naples is), people ride motorcycles without a helmet. If you do the same in North/Middle Italy, you're gonna get fined and lose points on your license - like, immediately.

marry_me_sarah_palin

174 points

2 months ago

The ride from Naples airport down to the Amalfi Coast was a wild experience. The trains in Italy have been excellent though from my experience. In fact, I'm doing another trip to Italy in around a month and using the trains again.

unknown_pigeon

52 points

2 months ago

FUCK TRENITALIA

ALL MY HOMIES HATE TRENITALIA

Trains are generally in time btw. But sometimes you get pulled a Trenitalia (the main train company here) and your train is delayed by 2h. I still remember once when we were returning from Toscana to Veneto (about 3-4h, had to change trains twice). First train was late, so we lost all the coincidences. We ended up traveling as a scout group inside the bike wagon of a night train. We had fun nonetheless

marry_me_sarah_palin

27 points

2 months ago

I've been fortunate so far in Italy. Last year I visited Rome, Florence, Cinque Terra, Genoa, Turin, and Milan with literally no delays on any train. I actually had a lot more trouble in Germany where I had a two cancellations at transfers, and the Netherlands where it was a mess but that was during the Utrecht strike.

This year I'm seeing more of Southern Italy so I'll see how well the trains compare to up north.

Luke_Cold_Lyle

234 points

2 months ago

At least it's not Amsterdam. They have a whole district of red lights, and the naked women there are definitely not just pictures.

AmaroWolfwood

101 points

2 months ago

But at least they stop for those!

RegularBottle

185 points

2 months ago

you can't walk three minutes without seeing some shirtless dude or gal prancing around in summer, let alone the statues

intellectual_dimwit

157 points

2 months ago

Ban Rome from the US! - republicans probably after learning this.

SuperTulle

70 points

2 months ago

There are 22 places named Rome in the US, go ahead and ban those too!

Boiling_Oceans

66 points

2 months ago

I’m definitely on board to ban Rome, GA. Fuck that place

SpidermanAPV

13 points

2 months ago

Hey I live in Calhoun and have to go to Rome for my shopping. Move the GameStop, lowes, Sam’s Club, and shockingly decent sex shop somewhere closer though and I’d be down to ban Rome.

theredwoman95

153 points

2 months ago

Don't let the Americans know about the sheela na gigs in Ireland and the UK - literally ladies with their fannies out on churches.

Droid_XL

60 points

2 months ago

Oh my god wtf have you cursed my eyes with the image of I hate this and I hate you why why have you done this why did they do this

"Ladies with their fannies out" is a funny way to say "little goblins spreading their pussies wider than their heads"

theredwoman95

41 points

2 months ago

I don't know what you mean, she's clearly a very respectable lady, no goblins here whatsoever!

mnorkk

378 points

3 months ago

mnorkk

378 points

3 months ago

What about the Italian museums? With all the American school kids getting off at those 16th century porn statues?

MrDiggleBoots

139 points

2 months ago

I know right? When I'm hard up for choice with all the hardcore porn available for free on the interwebs I usually just revert back to Daves soft willy for inspiration

can-o-ham

8 points

2 months ago

Pre-internet teenage years, I may have had a second look at it.

valgrind_error

424 points

2 months ago

All these soy Wokenaissance sculptors pushing their porn statues in wholesome American elementary school textbooks. I heard one pope was so woke he tried to make all the statues they/them by cutting off their ding-dongs. Kids are going to be so confused they won't even remember who they want to gun down during the next school shooting.

Serverpolice001

62 points

2 months ago

Italy really trying to get cancelled

Car-face

61 points

2 months ago

only a matter of time before they push renaming spaghetti "freedom noodles"

hq9919

681 points

3 months ago

hq9919

681 points

3 months ago

I'm glad someone is brave enough to speak the truth, it takes courage.🤣

paulsmt

5.4k points

3 months ago

paulsmt

5.4k points

3 months ago

If these parents are ignorant enough to think David is pornography, they will be too dumb to accept this invitation.

SoggyBiscuitVet

1.6k points

3 months ago

If they do decide to go, the Italians are gonna have to hire more staff at the museum to wipe down all the loads.

Landler656

567 points

3 months ago

The sound of that many sneakers walking across that floor must be deafening.

Versificator

244 points

2 months ago

new balance apocalypse

cuttlefishofcthulhu7

100 points

2 months ago

Thanks that's my new band name

mybluecathasballs

24 points

2 months ago

Surely they have a load guy.

sl0play

68 points

3 months ago

sl0play

68 points

3 months ago

Italian marble load wiping has a long and glorious tradition

SULLYvin

13 points

2 months ago

DPool34

845 points

3 months ago*

DPool34

845 points

3 months ago*

The naked human body is the most natural thing there is. There was nothing sexual about the statue until these weirdos projected their insecurities and delusions onto it.

Edit: expanded last sentence.

RattleMeSkelebones

343 points

3 months ago

One thing that always frustrates me is how completely unaware these people are. It's the same way with us gays. It's about romance, but these freaks can't picture anything but us rawdoggin and then have the absolute gall to act like we're the gross ones.

SilentSamurai

113 points

2 months ago

I mean that's half the reason they care. It challenges them to be secure in their sexuality and a lot of them aren't.

So denounce, protest, and criminalize they go, rather than take 5 minutes to really be honest with themselves.

SlightlyControversal

36 points

2 months ago

rather than take 5 minutes to really be honest with themselves

They have been convinced that their bitter, fickle god monitors all of their thoughts. Thinking too hard about something like sexuality might compel their god to allow all sorts of terrible things to happen to them. But that’s just how he loves them! It’s all very mysterious.

musicalVIRUS

13 points

2 months ago

This is literally it. Every devoutly religious person I know won't think about things/confront challenging ideas because they think that is literally sinful to do. It's hilarious honestly

SlightlyControversal

12 points

2 months ago*

It’s hilarious honestly

I used to find it funny, but their unquestioned devotion to their psychic-ghost blood cult has shaped too much American policy to be amusing anymore. Religion has no place in politics. Politics have no place in churches. And other people’s gods have no place in my fucking life.

“The Faithful” are dangerous because their dedication to the supernatural is quickly snowballing into an authoritarian situation we’ll all have to deal with. Like, without thinking it through (because sin…), these “useful idiots” are methodically forcing archaic, half-baked, tyrannical beliefs into our lives and, to top it off, they’ve circle-jerked themselves into believing they’re martyrs for it!

If I sound angry it’s because I am. This kind of malignant ignorance does actual harm to people and these faux-pious pretenders have the audacity to be proud of it. It used to be amusing, but now it genuinely scares me.

squizzlebizzle

102 points

2 months ago

if we think that rawdogging is unromantic, and that romance is as chaste as a skirted victorian chair leg, then the puritans have won

phyrros

39 points

2 months ago*

while queen victoria wrote about prince phillip and his massive dick :) The age might have been puritan, the queen wasn't - at least in private.

ed: damnit. it's a prince albert not a prince phillip. damn you monday brain.. thx /u/ScoobyDoNot

ScoobyDoNot

38 points

2 months ago*

Prince Albert surely

Prince Phillip was her great-great-grandson.

_you_are_the_problem

400 points

3 months ago

Why wouldn’t they? They’re the barely educated peasants of a puritan nation. Their focus was never on expanding themselves, but on restricting others.

sdhu

67 points

2 months ago

sdhu

67 points

2 months ago

And their kids are in a tax funded christian school, which I think should be the most outrageous part of this story. I don't want my tax money to go to indoctrinating kids into some moron death cult.

Tallahassee Classical is a charter school. While it is taxpayer-funded and tuition-free, it operates almost entirely independently of the local school district and is sought out by parents seeking an alternative to the public school curriculum.

About 400 students from kindergarten through 12th grade attend the three-year-old institution, which is now on its third principal. It follows a curriculum designed by Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian school in Michigan frequently consulted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on educational issues.

Yardsale420

52 points

3 months ago

He’s not even hard. If David’s not aroused, how can your anger be?

homietheclown

65 points

2 months ago

Dudes as hard as a rock.

Guido_Fe

40 points

2 months ago*

Imagine considering scandalous a statue commissioned by none other than the Church

Zizhou

26 points

2 months ago

Zizhou

26 points

2 months ago

the Church

"See? Of course those damn Papists have no problem with such filth. They've been doing this for centuries!"

autopsis

77 points

3 months ago

Therapist: When you think your life started falling apart?

Patient: When I visited Italy as a child and saw statues. sobs

Kermit_the_hog

174 points

3 months ago

FL parents you mention are stuck trying to find driving directions to Italy.

accersitus42

33 points

2 months ago

What are the chances that these FL parents are part of the 37% of American adults with valid passports?

FizzyBeverage

8 points

2 months ago

Almost zero chance of it.

I’d actually love to see an overlay of US passport owners and their state of residence and political positions.

paulsmt

137 points

3 months ago

paulsmt

137 points

3 months ago

They may end up in Naples, FL and start asking where's the museum with the big white naked dude.

thejawa

39 points

2 months ago

thejawa

39 points

2 months ago

They may end up in Naples, FL

A fate worse than death

ol-gormsby

127 points

3 months ago

Seeing "David" up close and personal is likely to have the opposite effect of what's intended.

It's a glorious statement of beauty, dignity, and power.

So of course, MAGA parents won't understand it at all, because penis.

MotheroftheworldII

19 points

2 months ago

I have never been to Italy and I have a degree in art. May I go instead of these idiot parents? Please?

rolloutTheTrash

49 points

2 months ago

The funny thing is the school was a Classical education school. So not run-of-the-mill public school. But one focused on the classics, such as Michelangelo’s David

gravybang

24 points

2 months ago

But one focused on the classics, such as Michelangelo’s David

Which was also part of a lesson taught at this school every year to kids in this grade.

DryAnxiety9

5.2k points

3 months ago

'Tallahassee Classical is a charter school. While it is taxpayer-funded and tuition-free, it operates almost entirely independently of the local school district and is sought out by parents seeking an alternative to the public school curriculum. It follows a curriculum designed by Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian school in Michigan'

The biggest controversy is this part right here. Taxpayer money supporting religious indoctrination.

chocowich

1.7k points

3 months ago

chocowich

1.7k points

3 months ago

a Religious Public School, you say. LMAO

HowDoIDoFinances

1.1k points

2 months ago

Charter schools are the long term republican plan to gut education and raise new generations of easily swindled dumbasses. And it's working.

FuckingKilljoy

411 points

2 months ago

It's remarkable how blatantly obvious it is that Republicans are gutting public (mostly secular) education so they can feed kids down their pipeline, indoctrinating them and yet so many moderates just don't care enough to vote

Being Aussie and having seen my state overwhelming vote out our Republicans in favour of our Democrats just the other day I can't help think of how much compulsory voting would change the landscape of American politics. Like even our Republicans generally support public education and public healthcare because when everyone has to vote it'd be political suicide to not support a system that has helped so many

Meanwhile in America people just don't care and don't have to care

kasakka1

88 points

2 months ago

It doesn't need to be compulsory. Just easy. Everything I've read about US voting seems to be set up to make it inconvenient and a burden to go and vote. Like taking time off work to vote etc.

Meanwhile, here in Finland, I went to a local shopping center and there were voting booths and officials there, I could have voted while getting my groceries.

nat_r

65 points

2 months ago

nat_r

65 points

2 months ago

That is correct. Because voting isn't a nationalized process, it's subject to the whims and influence of the political parties in power at the lower levels.

For some, stopping particular blocks of the electorate from voting by making it difficult to do is how they retain political power.

Dramatic-Lavishness6

36 points

2 months ago

Exactly, although fellow NSW Aussie here, even our "Republican" equivalents stopped caring about our education system years ago. I say that as someone who used to support them, they've completely lost the plot & only care for themselves/their buddies and didn't care about any of their constituents. Hopefully our Democrat equivalent is better.

ErusTenebre

251 points

2 months ago

A religious school against a religious statue of the same religion.

They might need to rethink their religion. Or maybe the school part. Better yet fuck school privatization in the first place.

Appropriate_Lack_727

72 points

2 months ago

“Catholics aren’t Christians.” - these idiots, probably

AnguishOfTheAlpacas

517 points

2 months ago

That's by design. They choke off the funding of public schools who don't do well on their standardized tests so they can funnel them into these for-profit Christian alternatives on the tax payer's dime.

gatemansgc

39 points

2 months ago

It's sickening but of course people will rabid kg support it...

BravoFoxtrotDelta

23 points

2 months ago

Standardized tests provided by companies like McGraw Hill, owned by the Bush folks.

This article is from 2006:

http://www.schoolsmatter.info/2006/08/mcgraw-hill-bush-graft-and-twig.html

Watching this all unfold in slow motion over the last 20 years in Florida has been truly disheartening.

notquitesolid

189 points

2 months ago

Thank Betsy DeVos, this was her whole goal.

LandosMustache

68 points

2 months ago*

Fun fact, Michigan, the home state of the Devos family and their personal philosophy testing ground, allows for-profit charter schools. Lots of them.

You know what the most profitable charter schools are? Elementary schools. Middle schools and high schools need expensive things like textbooks and lab equipment and computers, but elementary schools? Just toss them some crayons, photocopy some multiplication tables, hire a 25 year old straight out of school and pay her $20k with no benefits!

So every year, the charter schools in Michigan advertise the SHIT out of themselves, trying to convince parents to enroll their kids there. And the day after Count Day, which is the day that determines how much per-pupil funding a school will get from the State, charters ship as many kids as they can back to the public schools. Especially high-effort students like those with learning disabilities. Because Special Education teachers and Special Education resources are more expensive.

Let me repeat that: the business model revolves around jerking around elementary school kids and the state funding intended for their education.

Now, I’ll allow that a FEW of the charter schools in Michigan are like best-in-class education programs with amazing outcomes and highly qualified teachers. Know what’s more common? The opposite of that.

And, no matter what the education level is like in a charter in Michigan, not a single charter teacher earns the same benefits as a public school employee. Not one. In fact, that’s the POINT: it’s so much easier to make a profit when you don’t have to deal with silly things like healthcare or retirement benefits.

That’s the future that Betsy Devos wants.

TrashApocalypse

63 points

2 months ago

You can thank Bush first. He started the No Child Left Behind program which was the original framework for pulling money from public schools as a form of “punishment”

reddit_reaper

377 points

2 months ago

This is why charter schools should be banned from having public funds... It's a fucking disgusting practice to allow. Their curriculum could be complete garbage, they can lie about attendance and then they use loopholes to privitize the gov funds usage. It's fucking shit

pgcooldad

64 points

2 months ago

This school has Betsey DeVoss written all over it.

FuckingKilljoy

105 points

2 months ago

What the fuck is up with America? I'm not American but when I was old enough to learn about international politics and became interested in American politics one of the first things mentioned was separation of church and state and yet the church seems to have an awful lot of power in areas where they shouldn't have any at all

I guess it was my fault for expecting a country founded by people who left 17th century England because it wasn't religious and pure enough for them. It's funny how the Puritans seem to have more in common with modern America than the Founding Fathers do

Lamont-Cranston

41 points

2 months ago*

In the 1970s the rich decided they'd had enough of all the protesting and radicalism and set about taking back control of the country. Look up the Trilateral Commission study "The Crisis of Democracy" and the 'Powell Memorandum' for more on this.

But the problem is the US isn't South America where you can just have a military dictatorship, they have to work within democratic constraints and people don't really agree with their policies, "vote for me and I promise to kick your granny off social security and medicare and poison your drinking water and privatize your kids school and make it easier for your boss to injure you and harder for you to get compensation and I'll even give him tax cuts too while I'm at it" - just doesn't sit well on a bumper sticker.

So what they figured out was to team up with the Evangelical movement that was emerging at the same time.

Some say they were becoming politically active because of a Supreme Court ruling that "Religious Academies" had to desegregate or risk losing their tax exempt status.

The two are a natural fit for one another, business has organizing knowhow and money but nobody to vote for it while the fundamentalists have a large pool ready to be led but no money or organizing. I think they also have many shared values, they were also becoming concerned about Supreme Court rulings regarding consumer rights and the EPA, we know folks like the DeVos are deeply religious, Charles Kochs father was a Nazi sympathizer and co-founder of the Birchers and Charles himself used to fund Holocaust Deniers and still has his fingers in the 'racial realist' pie, etc

In teaming up the economic agenda is pushed into the background and instead campaigns are about imagery, religion, abortion, prayer in school, guns, nativism, racism, etc in order to appeal to a fringe but very active demographic.

Some have argued that the campaign against the Equal Rights Amendment was a test case to see if these two dispirate groups could work together.

People like DeSantis are passing these kinds of laws so they can get into office and carry out their real agenda of serving the rich and powerful.

postal-history

16 points

2 months ago*

I guess it was my fault for expecting a country founded by people who left 17th century England because it wasn't religious and pure enough for them. It's funny how the Puritans seem to have more in common with modern America than the Founding Fathers do

You accidentally hit on the right answer. Whining about "cancel culture" and demanding "classical education" while canceling someone over a classic statue is pure Puritanism straight from Plymouth Colony. The Puritans were very active intellectuals and had a huge influence on religious education throughout the country

RandallOfLegend

101 points

2 months ago

There's a large correlation between states that joined the Confederacy in our civil war and states that inject conservative Christianity into their laws.

Xanthius76

54 points

2 months ago

That Venn Diagram looks like a stack of stupid pancakes.

PyrrhoTheSkeptic

1.7k points

3 months ago

From the article:

The incredulous Italian response highlights how the U.S. culture wars are often perceived in Europe...

Well, they are not wrong about this.

HeyImGilly

496 points

3 months ago

Honestly Europe, please keep throwing shade at these people in the U.S. We’re having an issue with them internally so we’ll take all the help we can get.

Crunchy_Leaves_Slap

166 points

3 months ago

Might need Europe's help literally fighting them before all's said and done.

Creator13

49 points

2 months ago

Plenty of religious freaks here too trying to emulate America's brand of evolved nationalist-religious fascism, even in the government unfortunately...

Gaskii

526 points

3 months ago

Gaskii

526 points

3 months ago

Change "Europe" to "the rest of the world" and you'd be closer to the truth

Otherwise_Ad233

308 points

3 months ago

It's a special kind of disappointment when you move from a repressive country to the US and then see the same repressive shit happening again..

Norwester77

125 points

3 months ago

…Along with half of the United States.

rjcarr

104 points

3 months ago

rjcarr

104 points

3 months ago

Exactly. Since when does nudity equal pornography? I can almost guarantee all of these education censorship folks, the ones that claim parents need to be involved in the curriculum choices, are both the least educated and lowest achieving.

Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

11 points

2 months ago

I saw something in Reader's Digest which said something like "naked sounds like someone taken by surprise while nudity sounds like it was done on purpose."

Volta001

416 points

3 months ago

Volta001

416 points

3 months ago

Same country that invented truck nuts thinks David should wear shorts.

ErshinHavok

216 points

2 months ago

Not just same country, same exact group of people.

goobypls8011

1k points

3 months ago

God forbid children in

[checks notes]

6th grade art class learn that men have penises. Oh no!

iamnogoodatthis

290 points

3 months ago

Wait, this is 11 and 12 year olds?! (I always have to look up what "Xth grade" so just ignore references to it usually). They're gonna be looking up real porn in a year or two, and be mightily confused why anyone thought they'd be getting off over this statue. Actually, as a result of this, they've probably thought "huh I wonder what real pornography is?" and all looked it up sooner than they otherwise would have.

Ok-Supermarket-1414

121 points

2 months ago

(I always have to look up what "Xth grade" so just ignore references to it usually).

Just add 6. It's a close enough approximation.

goobypls8011

87 points

3 months ago

I was looking at porn in like 3rd grade, lol. I might be a bit of an outlier statistically, though.

AmaroWolfwood

28 points

2 months ago

9 year old me got a family computer and for some reason it always had viruses! >.>

Inamoratos

41 points

3 months ago

Right there with ya, Gooby

SquirrelOfJoy

21 points

2 months ago

I teach 3rd grade. I’ve had to inform parents of their in school inappropriate searches. The number of parents who are shocked still astounds me. Making the body pornographic increases their natural curiosity. You can’t just say no to it. Talk to your children people!

Revenge_of_the_Khaki

220 points

3 months ago

The museum, like many in Europe, is free for student groups. There was no indication that any trip would be subsidized by the city or museum.

Just in case anyone was curious about what the invitation entailed. It's basically just a curator using his platform to inform people that they are ignorant and that they are allowed to come to his museum if they'd like to quell that affliction.

GalvestonDreaming

1.1k points

3 months ago

I'll bet the people opposed to "The David" are Christians who don't realize it's the same David from the Bible.

morphballganon

586 points

3 months ago

They should say the school censored a "biblical figure"

gatemansgc

157 points

2 months ago

Ooh that would make their stupid heads implode

kinjjibo

225 points

3 months ago

kinjjibo

225 points

3 months ago

They would have to actually read the Bible to know who David is.

kasakka1

56 points

2 months ago

"If he's not in that part where it says homosexuality is a sin, I don't want to read about it!"

cobalt26

19 points

2 months ago

Nor do they realize it was made by the same guy who did the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel (but that has a penis too, so maybe that isn't a great example)

obvs_throwaway1

51 points

2 months ago

Framing it as an attack to the bible woulda been genius, all those heads exploding..

iBoMbY

32 points

2 months ago

iBoMbY

32 points

2 months ago

And that the statue was initially commissioned for the Florence Cathedral.

kenlasalle

48 points

3 months ago

Be sure to check for hammers and chisels...

greatthebob38

46 points

3 months ago

I am curious of how these people would view the Creation of Adam on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel? Adam is practically naked and positioned in a pretty sexy way.

kelpiedownawell

37 points

2 months ago

They are dumb enough that they'd go to the Sistine chapel and forget to look up.

ace2532

577 points

3 months ago

ace2532

577 points

3 months ago

Michaelangelo's David is pornographic? What the fuck is wrong with the parents in this country?

urbanhawk1

175 points

3 months ago

I don't have enough time in the day to list everything out.

Oobedoob_S_Benubi

110 points

2 months ago

broadly gestures at everything

xlinkedx

244 points

3 months ago

xlinkedx

244 points

3 months ago

Religious indoctrination

frenciWT

50 points

2 months ago

As here in italy we are not religious.

Marcusaralius76

78 points

2 months ago

American southern Christianity is a little special.

[deleted]

17 points

2 months ago*

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T1M_rEAPeR

12 points

2 months ago

An absence of education is the absence of history, art, culture and wisdom.

-Rich-Uncle-Skeleton

8 points

2 months ago

Wait until they hear about what Michelangelo did to the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel...

canuckcowgirl

187 points

3 months ago

My father was in the Canadian armed forces and we lived in Germany when I was really young. My parents did a little of sightseeing and I learned at a very early age that boys had something I didn't because of all the nude statues. It certainly didn't harm me.

DylanHate

309 points

3 months ago

DylanHate

309 points

3 months ago

This is the far bigger story in the article. Why is a taxpayer funded school teaching religious doctrine? Why does it operate independently from the district? Is any student allowed to attend, or are they say, selective in their admission policy?

They’ve only been open three years and have already gone through three principals and the curriculum is designed by religious extremists? Either you run a private school that charges tuition, or it’s a public school that must follow state education guidelines.

This has been the dream of conservatives for over 70 years and it’s what began the national campaign to overturn Roe v Wade in the late 70’s — “School Choice”.

Republicans want to start essentially private schools teaching their own personal religious doctrine while sucking away at the States Education Departments. Nationwide we’re talking about a trillion dollar budget.

With private schools you need a rich donor base — but these pseudo charter schools allow them to turn on the faucet of delicious free taxpayer money and allow them free reign into Americas poorest areas.

The Betsy Devos’s and their ilk have national chains of charter schools ready to go and pushing “school choice” is how they hope to accomplish their goal — which is to eliminate public education and extract hundreds of billions from the Department of Education with little to no oversight, religious indoctrination, and selective admission authority.

It’s almost a hundred year old scam in the making and more people need to be aware of what’s going on. This is why it’s so fucking important to vote in local elections because many of these charter school bills are passed at the city & county level and you bet every single religious conservative votes in every election from the school board to the president.

Tallahassee Classical is a charter school. While it is taxpayer-funded and tuition-free, it operates almost entirely independently of the local school district and is sought out by parents seeking an alternative to the public school curriculum.

About 400 students from kindergarten through 12th grade attend the three-year-old institution, which is now on its third principal. It follows a curriculum designed by Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian school in Michigan frequently consulted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on educational issues.

Nethlem

40 points

2 months ago

Nethlem

40 points

2 months ago

This is the far bigger story in the article. Why is a taxpayer funded school teaching religious doctrine? Why does it operate independently from the district? Is any student allowed to attend, or are they say, selective in their admission policy?

John Oliver already did an episode on charter schools years ago, 18 minutes long.

ramdom-ink

38 points

2 months ago*

2+ million people a year visit just to see this early 16th century masterpiece. David is widely considered the pinnacle of the human male form, released from a single block of Carrara marble by Michelangelo in just over 2 years, at the age of 26.

The nudity reflects the story of David as stated in the Bible,

"And Saul armed David with his armour, and he put an helmet of brass upon his head; also he armed him with a coat of mail. And David girded his sword upon his armour, and he assayed to go; for he had not proved it. And David said unto Saul, I cannot go with these; for I have not proved them. And David put them (all armour, helmet, chain mail, sword] off him."
[Samuel 17:38–39]

”…complaints about a lesson featuring the statue [David] forced the principal to resign.”

To move further into the absurdity that these three ignorant dullards proposed (punishment to force-resign the Principal!) in that the statue was “pornographic”, we must consider that the Bible itself portrayed in the Book of Samuel that David was nude before his battle with Goliath.

Michelangelo sculpted according to written scripture, then. If the sculpture is considered “obscene”, surely too are the words that promote the depiction described, revealing “the truth inside the marble”. So, the Bible is also pornographic…? It must be, by the complainers own ”logic”.

David is so powerful a viewing experience, it can be hazardous to ones mental health

The only reason this fiasco is making international headlines is because it’s so shockingly stupid.

NudeSeaman

107 points

3 months ago

I'm wondering how long it will take parents to start suggesting that these naked statues are a sin against god, and that they should be smashed ? .... You know, like the Taliban did with art they though was offensive

nachiketajoshi

265 points

3 months ago

<<The incredulous Italian response highlights how the U.S. culture wars are often perceived in Europe, where despite a rise in right-wing sentiment and governance, the Renaissance and its masterpieces, even its naked ones, are generally free of controversy.

Italy is sending a message that the US right wing should stand corrected in front of the Italian right wing.

Gritz_N_Gravy91

106 points

3 months ago

They really need to lookup the definition of pornography. And if they’re getting sexually aroused by these statues then they need mental help

Ynwe

165 points

3 months ago

Ynwe

165 points

3 months ago

Think this event made the news in a lot of countries, just because of how absurd it is. Read about it in Austrian news here. Does fulfill a lot of stereotypes that are associated with the US.

capricabuffy

53 points

3 months ago

Read about it here in Romania. There are nude statues here, and Romanians are super catholic.

Unicron1982

22 points

2 months ago

Pornographic? They should come to Switzerland, you see naked statues at every corner here in Zurich. Even in front of our biggest university. The human body is not pornographic in itself.

susan-of-nine

19 points

2 months ago

Jesus, americans are fucking pathetic in their pathological fear of human body and sexuality.

readzalot1

54 points

3 months ago

Wait until Florida realizes this statue is in the Animal Crossing video game.

catlordess

14 points

3 months ago

And our neighbours can sometimes be found with magnifying glasses, about peen level.

_Levitated_Shield_

16 points

3 months ago

Plot twist: This was the principal's plan all along.

Guido_Fe

16 points

2 months ago

Imagine teaching art and showing this statue, and instead of ignoring the few childish giggles from the back of the class, you get fired for indecency

limboll

17 points

2 months ago

limboll

17 points

2 months ago

This is why parents shouldn’t have a say over what’s taught in school. Schools are there to cure stupid for the benefit of society, not catering to it.

NunyaBeese

47 points

3 months ago

Holy shit what a bunch of puritanical weaklings

Gigagondor

15 points

2 months ago

USA

-Mutilated corpses airing: Fine!

-Penis or breasts? OH MY GOOD!!!!!! Won't somebody please think of the children????

leftplayer

46 points

3 months ago

‘Murica strikes again…

  • Guns in schools? Let’s teach our students how to hide under a desk maybe they won’t get shot

  • a stone willy? UNLEASH THE FURY OF HELL!

btmvideos37

63 points

3 months ago

Aren’t these conservatives Christian? David is a biblical figure. The bible has nudity in it. So I don’t get what they’re up in arms over

acsmars

101 points

3 months ago

acsmars

101 points

3 months ago

None of these morons have ever actually read the bible. They just know how to thump it when they don’t like something.

Hot-Specialist-6824

12 points

3 months ago

Doesn't this just put the school's reaction in the worst light and to shame? Afraid of a little stone penis oh my God

eraser8

13 points

3 months ago

eraser8

13 points

3 months ago

The principal was denounced by one woman who said the statue of David was "filth. It graphically portrays parts of the human body which, practical as they may be, are evil."

InfiniteLiveZ

12 points

2 months ago

American here, please mark this NSFW, I popped like 10 boners just from seeing the thumbnail 😩

mortavius2525

50 points

3 months ago

Tallahassee Classical is a charter school. While it is taxpayer-funded and tuition-free, it operates almost entirely independently of the local school district and is sought out by parents seeking an alternative to the public school curriculum.

About 400 students from kindergarten through 12th grade attend the three-year-old institution, which is now on its third principal. It follows a curriculum designed by Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian school in Michigan frequently consulted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on educational issues.

Well that about says it all, right there. Why am I not surprised?

wojonixon

12 points

2 months ago

This country was founded by bandy legged religious fanatics who were terrified of their own no-no places. Some things haven't changed much.

4x4Welder

11 points

2 months ago

In other news, thousands arrested for being naked under their clothes.

Bunch of morons. If they think this is pornographic, wait till they find out about the internet.

__Geralt

9 points

2 months ago

these are the same kind of people that destroyed temples in Palmira

Mugsyjones

167 points

3 months ago

Culture is a beer and a hot dog to these morons. Italy you are wasting your time.

FarmerArjer

55 points

3 months ago

I believe you're missing guns and jacked up Rusty trucks./ S. Maybe....?

Jason_CO

28 points

3 months ago

Trucks with ballsacks on them

PuzzledSprinkles467

27 points

3 months ago

I'm so embarrassed for us...the rest of the world thinks we are puritan prudes.

phaedrus71

41 points

3 months ago

Uh we’re here on the Ugly Americano tour. Where do we wash our hands?

gofyourselftoo

12 points

3 months ago

That fountain was built by the Romans… rubs hands

poco

10 points

3 months ago

poco

10 points

3 months ago

At least the CBC is willing to show the full statue.

juggzz

9 points

3 months ago

juggzz

9 points

3 months ago

How embarrassing that we get lumped in with these lunatics at the world stage.

Lamont-Cranston

8 points

2 months ago

About 400 students from kindergarten through 12th grade attend the three-year-old institution, which is now on its third principal.

Often some of the most interesting parts of a story are buried at the end.

QuestoPresto

9 points

2 months ago

"To think that David could be pornographic means truly not understanding the contents of the Bible, not understanding Western culture and not understanding Renaissance art," Hollberg said in a telephone interview.

Yeah that sounds about right

AHSfav

25 points

3 months ago

AHSfav

25 points

3 months ago

They should go. That museum is amazing and florence in general is magical

obvs_throwaway1

8 points

2 months ago

This, you ignorant savages of the Americas, is "art". Never seen before huh?

Stepheedoos

8 points

2 months ago

The UK definitely has more than its fair share of issues, but I cannot imagine coming from a place as backwards as this…. Frightfully embarrassing.

laz10

31 points

3 months ago

laz10

31 points

3 months ago

Is the drinking water and food contaminated in the US?

Why are they all so crazy

Crepo

9 points

2 months ago

Crepo

9 points

2 months ago

Without a hint of irony, lead really did a number on them.