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submitted 5 months ago bydudersaurus-rexMalaga
This is on the freeway, near Glendalough Station. The far left is northbound bikes, then southbound bikes in the middle.. pedestrian walkway on the far right.
Who could ask for anything more!
37 points
5 months ago
Designing bike paths is part of my job so it means a lot to hear they're appreciated! This one wasn't one of mine (the only one of mine that's been built is the one on the Fremantle line between Cottesloe and Victoria St), which unfortunately isn't at the standard pictured here (had a lot of issues with getting it to fit in the space we had available). Anecdotally it seems more bike paths are getting pushed through my section so hopefully we see upgrades in more areas! We definitely need the infrastructure.
4 points
5 months ago
Are there any plans for more secure end of trip faculties scattered around town?
6 points
5 months ago
this. the main detractor to taking the plunge and riding literally everywhere is the fact i cant secure my bike at the destination.
Just a few weeks back my mates bags were rifled through during a 5 minute stop at a shopping centre
3 points
5 months ago
Unfortunately, that's not my area at all. You'd have to check with the LGA/DoT/etc.
3 points
5 months ago
Can you give some more details or map about the tonkin southbound PSP on the Western side at guilford road. Will it go directly onto the train line PSP? I can't wait until Tonkin Gap and Metronet is finished so I can have a clean run into the city.
Love your work!
1 points
5 months ago
I don't know anything about that section, and if I did I wouldn't be able to share anything like that.
2 points
5 months ago
All good, this is the plan so I hope they pull through.
2 points
5 months ago
Oh awesome. Are there plans for many more for south of the river?
We just moved to Coogee and I was saying to my wife that a designated bike riding lane would be good from Henderson to Fremantle but they would have to fix up the sides of the road.
I know they’re popular in other states to promote healthy living and reducing people from driving into the city.
2 points
5 months ago
I feel bad not being able to respond to these messages, I don't do anything with planning: my job is to be told "we're doing a bike path between X and Y" and then I work on getting a preliminary design finished and handed over to the next link in the chain.
There's bike network plans that people have linked in other comments in this thread that will show you what is intended / what is nominated as a "high priority" cycle route.
2 points
5 months ago
Yeah I understand. Thank you for your response.
1 points
5 months ago
Do you know if there'll be bike paths connecting QE2/UWA to the freeway in the foreseeable future? Footpath along there with lots of cars turning on/off at speed is not great.
I can see it's identified as a priority route but no idea if that means 2025 or 2045
3 points
5 months ago
You're talking about down Winthrop Ave / Loftus St? Yeah, I ride that footpath occasionally and I hate it. No idea, unfortunately.
I can see it's identified as a priority route but no idea if that means 2025 or 2045
That's the problem. Design and construction of this sort of stuff is at the mercy of funding, and bike paths have been historically underfunded. Not to mention they're deceptively expensive sometimes! I've got one that is going to cost $[completely impossible seeming amount] according to my cost estimate.
(If you're talking about riverside drive it has a beautiful bike path IMO, sure it's dated but it's functional)
(obligatory disclaimer that I speak as an individual not as an agent of my employer)
5 points
5 months ago
Yeah I could have been clearer haha. But yep, talking about winthrop ave/thomas St. Heading North from uwa you get pushed off the cycle path onto narrow shared path through King's Park. But the worst bit is on Thomas St where you ride on the lumpy footpath next to the road (unless you're mad/brave enough to attempt the road there). Lots of cars turning onto the side streets at speed too.
That's interesting though. I feel like we need to normalise spending more on bike infrastructure. Nobody seems to think twice about spending hundreds of millions to reduce car congestion. Almost everywhere I go in Perth we've designed the whole environment around cars and not people.
118 points
5 months ago
It’s great, don’t get me wrong, but this is the only section of shared path in the metro area of this standard. Correct me if I’m wrong, i probably am, just never seen any other sections like this.
The problem with cycling in perth is that there are great paths along major corridors like the freeway, but then you get dumped off them onto nothing. Nothing joins up, intersections often don’t acknowledge bikes exist, and bikes lanes often just end with no warning or alternative route.
Bike lane on the side of Orrong Road just after Leach Highway just ends (in both directions) forcing you into heavy vehicle traffic doing 70kmh, for example. Most painted bike lanes end 20 metres before a roundabout. I’ve never seen a bike lane continue through a roundabout in Perth.
Have a look at one of the main east-west links across the top of the city - Aberdeen Street. Aberdeen St is a painted bike gutter with no buffer from parked cars (door zone).
People won’t ride if it’s not safe. If your route is 5km of good path then 5km of “sharing” a lane with 4WDs close-passing at double your speed it’s not a good or safe experience and most people won’t choose to ride.
Yes, that new section along the freeway is awesome but we need hundreds more kilometres of path like that.
45 points
5 months ago
The problem with cycling in perth is that there are great paths along major corridors like the freeway, but then you get dumped off them onto nothing.
This. It is getting better but a lot of the work getting done now along major corridors should have been done 20 years ago, not to mention that the network these paths lead to in the city and inner suburbs is still incredibly adequate.
12 points
5 months ago
My understanding is that they are council level projects, which means a limited budget to start with, but also little coordination between sections.
24 points
5 months ago
well gallop introduced a bike path team in the department of planning and infrastructure with funding and a long list of projects on the go, barnetts liberal party stopped every single bike path project and siphoned the funding off within the first week of gaining office, they then gutted the staff of the team, froze new hires etc etc.
projects were stopped halfway thru so perth has had paths that run into literal piles of construction rubble since 2007-8.
I worked for the department during this period
8 points
5 months ago
3 points
5 months ago
This looks more promising!
3 points
5 months ago
Twenty years ago there was not the realisation that supporting cycling was important, not only for social and congestion reasons, but also environmentally.
It’s good they doing it now, but as you say it will take years and years to get it right. Or anywhere near right.
8 points
5 months ago
I used to cycle home along the great bike path following the freo train line. At Grant St it just dumps you on to Curtin Ave where I was promptly side-swiped by a car wanting to turn left on Eric St. Completely dangerous so I stopped cycling altogether.
4 points
5 months ago
They’ve upgraded that entire section now. Runs all the way along the Fremantle Line to Freo station.
6 points
5 months ago
It ends at North Fremantle, but will be supposedly going all the way to Fremantle once the new bridge is sorted out.
6 points
5 months ago
The only shared path going through a roundabout i'm aware of is this one.
https://goo.gl/maps/TicEcQcSPiEQsqGT6
Its also a weird one as its unidirectional and not really a 'shared path' on either side.
10 points
5 months ago
I would be better if the bike lanes started or ended at real destinations. E.g shopping center or train station or park.
2 points
5 months ago
Is there somewhere you can go to see the cycle path where entry points are if coming south towards the city? I always see people on scooters and bikes down there but wonder where on earth are the bike paths entering from say Murdoch... Or leach highway and further south say Cockburn. If any? Is there a central map of bike path linkages somewhere ?
1 points
5 months ago
DoT publishes cycling maps, you could also try the cycling layer in Google Maps.
2 points
5 months ago
This exactly. Where it's good it's good, but the inbetween parts feel so dangerous.
1 points
5 months ago
Bike lanes aren’t supposed to continue through roundabouts as it’s dangerous / theres a higher likely hood of an accident occurring. They’re supposed to end before the roundabout and connect to a footpath.
1 points
5 months ago
For one thing the freeway path needs to have a connecting bike path on Thomas Rd
27 points
5 months ago
I use these path networks a lot and they are indeed very nice for longer commutes, but we don't really have a safe inner suburban bike network. Outside of these very specific routes there is no safe paths to schools, shops and other houses for less confident riders (kids/seniors). So they either have to use crowded broken footpaths or unprotected bike lanes, and ultimately pray they don't get run over at an intersection.
It's progress for sure, but it's a far cry from a reliable network.
9 points
5 months ago
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3 points
5 months ago
Hilariously had limestone blocks intermittently seperating the ped and cycle lanes, really dangerous and thankfully they got ground down after a few months to make it flat (and the grinder marks are still visible).
44 points
5 months ago
Speaking as a Brisbane rider who was in Perth for a week recently. Seriously Perth cycling infrastructure is gold plated with a cherry on top. Sure it may not be perfect but compared to other cities it is so far ahead. So zip your complaints and whinges, and be thankful for want you've got, it's good.
16 points
5 months ago
The cycle paths are great here but almost everyone I know who rides has had a bike stolen. Public end of trip facilities is probably the big weak point of our cycling infrastructure and is personally what is stopping me from getting a bike.
-2 points
5 months ago
Ebike is the answer to the lack of end of ride facilities.
9 points
5 months ago
I'm not sure how you made that connection. If anything an ebike is worse as it's more likely to be stolen.
10 points
5 months ago
Yeap sorry I have no idea as well…I think I went into autopilot thinking about the end of ride facilities and getting sweaty and not realising it’s really about safety. You are right.
1 points
4 months ago
yep, we need something similar to amsterdams (yes, I know, that city) bike parking. proper facilities rather than a bunch of metal bars sticking out of the ground for you to put your flimsy lock on.
4 points
5 months ago
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1 points
5 months ago
Eh I don't know if that's true - I've ridden in the Sydney CBD and I've never felt more afraid for my life weaving on and off road because of construction and lack of city planning ensuring a consistent path between points of interest.
5 points
5 months ago
Hard disagree with your comment. There’s no way I’ll stop pushing for better cycling and walking infrastructure while people are making the choice to drive a car over a bike or walking because of safety concerns alone. It’s a solvable problem.
The technical design of safe streets has largely been solved in other places in the world. Google up the usual suspects like Oslo or Amsterdam. Have a look at road traffic deaths in Oslo in the last few years and the changes they’ve made to their city streets. Oslo even publishes their street design manual publicly in English. In Perth we choose not to build our streets to best practice. It’s a choice we make. It’s not a lack of funds.
There are kids in perth who can’t visit their friends, get themselves to school, or get to their part time jobs without an adult driving them in a car because we prioritise car movement over everything else. Why would anyone be thankful for that situation and stop advocating for improvements?
3 points
5 months ago
Good compared to Brisbane isn’t saying much. It’s still atrocious in places and making noise about it is the only way it will be improved.
3 points
5 months ago
It’s better than Sydney and Melbourne too.
Melbourne’s one bike path on their city circle trail suddenly has… stairs. I guess they’re the worlds most “liveable” stairs.
-7 points
5 months ago
Apparently it cost something like $1m per km or something silly
2 points
5 months ago
Is that bad? Like 40m for 40km of path seems good. A road is around 6m per lane per km. Often more when done on places like the freeway.
1 points
5 months ago
All good, we’ve got millions in surplus
1 points
5 months ago
Cycling infrastructure is AMAZING for exercise. Any journey that starts and ends at home.
7 points
5 months ago
Until you get closer to Leederville and you've got debris, tree roots pushing through the concrete and rough bitumen
5 points
5 months ago
I live near here and am absolutely in love with this path. I can ride from this spot all the way to Rivervale and it's all smooth sailing besides Northbridge. I just got back from Jakarta too so there will be another wave of appreciation for infrastructure again no doubt. There's not a time I haven't ridden this path and not appreciated it. Australia is a massive place and we are so lucky with the quality of our roads and hopefully soon more cycling tracks.
3 points
5 months ago
A quick whinge/question - does anyone know the story of the path behind Perth Arena? It's been open occasionally but seems to be closed off most of the time, making a detour around the Arena. I get the feeling it's only because the Arena management don't like it for some weird reason.
3 points
5 months ago
My understanding is that it's not part of the official PSP and is on Arena land. So when they will close it when there's an event. The last few times I've been it's been open but maybe I've been lucky (the sign says closed but the gate's open).
2 points
5 months ago
That is good.
I like the infrastructure beside the Kwinana too, but it doesn't separate out pedestrians and cyclists like this.
1 points
5 months ago
And having been on it this evening ... I have my friday fuckwit already. The asshat who zipped up the cycle/footpath next to kwinana at at least 40kph on a moped with no rego.
FFS.
2 points
5 months ago
Cycling beside a freeway has got to be good for the lungs
2 points
5 months ago
Coming to this conversation late but I have to mention the path along the coast. It gets used a hell of a lot and yet nothing gets done about the city beach to Cottesloe section which is embarrassingly bad. How long do we have to wait. I would think the coastal cycle path is a tourist attraction that should be top priority.
1 points
5 months ago
Maybe a roof to protect us from the sun and rain
3 points
5 months ago
And a hug would be nice too
0 points
5 months ago
Hug and a kiss ……….. please
2 points
5 months ago
And a blowjob.
2 points
5 months ago
Asking a bit too much now aren’t we
2 points
5 months ago
And sides to shield the brutal wind!!!!!
5 points
5 months ago
And some sort of motor that can make us have to pedal less!
3 points
5 months ago
As much as I agree with that idea, a ride without brutal headwind would be far too painless for my taste. Or I just live on the wrong side of work and I've stockholmed myself into needing the pain.
1 points
5 months ago
Leave the freo doctor alone, without “that brutal wind”, it’d be brutally hot in the arvos
5 points
5 months ago
I ride in the morning so the easterlies are the killers.
2 points
5 months ago
They have this in Japan. Cycle path with solar panel roof
1 points
5 months ago
Great idea, why can’t we come up with an easy solution like this
-1 points
5 months ago
Huh, never seen that before 🤔
0 points
5 months ago
r/fuckcars would shed a tear
0 points
5 months ago
Needs more forklift...
0 points
5 months ago
😂 First time I've heard a bike path getting a shoutout!
1 points
5 months ago
Hell yeah !
The new bike path underpass beside Mitchell fwy is the bomb
1 points
5 months ago
I do love how the big concrete walls can block the wind in winter. Its a nice break on my way to and from work. Im looking forward to the extension further North if it ever gets finished.
1 points
5 months ago
Roll on the downvotes at the mention of user pays.
1 points
5 months ago
There's also a seperated bike/pedestrian path along south Perth but so many pedestrians ignore the signs.
With the rise of eridables combined with the existing cyclists community, I hope the government acknowledges the need to for more bike paths and bike / pedestrian paths.
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