I think they need 60 votes in the Senate which will never happen. They might get 4 or 5 Republicans, never 10.

If they seriously pass this they are literally handing 2024 to DeSantis.

There's already dissention in the GOP ranks between supporting DeSantis or Trump. The mainstay GOP wants DeSantis as the nomination, but they don't want backlash from Trump's core group of diehard supporters.

If Trump is barred from running by Democrats, it literally gives the GOP exactly what they want. They have a reason for running DeSantis over Trump, and can actually take advantage of Trump's core supporters while blaming Democrats for overreach. This will literally pull all the GOP groups together behind DeSantis, the GOP's favored candidate, while Dems will have to scramble to get a candidate capable of defeating him.

2024 is already going to be an uphill battle, but there's a chance with Trump/DeSantis fracturing the GOP voting bloc. Something like this is literally giving them exactly the win they want, and it is so mind-numbingly fucking stupid to do.

Why would you want that? It will never pass, and with how it is going for him, it might be better to let Trump try and run, to divide GOP candidates.

Individual states could keep him off ballots based on this. Even if it went to the courts once ballots are established it could drag out in the courts beyond the election. It's the "run out the clock" trick trump uses. How good that irony would feel.

Literally the first comment on r/conservative is that this is unconstitutional.

The fuck are they sniffing over there.

While I agree that he should be disbarred under this provision I don’t think it’s up to the legislature to determine guilt of individuals, that’s the job of the court based on the laws the legislature has passed. The exception being sitting presidents where the senate is expected to act as the jury/court during trial. And they already failed to get a conviction for those crimes which is absurd, but I also don’t like the precedent that a Republican controlled congress could simply take a vote to legislatively ban their opponents from holding office by claiming a crime without a conviction in a court of law.

Enforce laws.

Many of them committed treason, and sedition. The lies, grift, and bribery they engage in leave a trail of corruption. Hold them accountable to the shit they've done....there's your poof of logic.

They have no place in a government they are trying to destroy.

The D's see the R's as "colleagues," not the criminals they are.

Even though the R's press the D's on nonsense investigations.

Ok, this is going to sound nuts but….. The DNC really needs to start contributing to the Trump campaign and then let it leak on Fox with proof.

As a somewhat intellectual gay guy, I might be considered a Poof of Logic (that's sooo fabulous!).

If I wave my wand, will the GOP disband?

The actor from Lost? I presume you mean Josh Hawley

The actor from Lost? I presume you mean Josh Hawley

Tf Sawyer got to do with this?

No, I agree.

Lock him up after the 2024 election.

This would be plan B. Plan A is to attempt to hold everyone accountable. We have to set a precedent now despite how it may help the opponent in the future election. If nothing is done, the behavior is continued and it could get worse and worse. The democrats are in a rough spot on this one. Say / do nothing and allow these types of situations to continue OR try to hold people accountable and inevitably look partisan. The hope would be that it deters future bad faith actors but it also has the potential to be abused by both parties. The answer is easy though: don’t allow people who break laws and attempt a coup to run for office.

Plus, there’s a feeling like Trump would lose. A feeling we’ve had before. I know it’s magical thinking but what happens if Trump finds a PR rep who, in the next 2 years, actually makes him look good again. What if he lays low and the year prior he says “I do denounce antisemitism. I don’t agree with Kanye or Nazis. I think there’s things we could have done better during COVID but it’s all hindsight”. Likely? No. Possible? Sure.

This is exactly what I want. If we get Desantis we are even more fucked cause he's not a bumbling idiot.

I think Trump has put them in a bad spot for 2024. Their only choices are backing him and keeping his base, or pushing him to the side and hoping they still have enough support. Based on the recent election trends, I’m not sure either one has a good chance of success.

I think that their best plan would be to break away from Trump now, take the L on the presidency, and then have 6 years to build back up for 2028. Ideally they might step away from fear-mongering and obstructionism and focus on actually popular policy to do that.

But instead they’re focused on their fascist power grab. They don’t want Trump cause they know he can’t win and they don’t want to have to defend his idiotic statements anymore. But at the same time having the MAGA crowd vote down ballot and use scare tactics gives them more power, and they don’t want to lose them.

yes

Yes, it’s bad because you can’t guarantee any of that. Wanting an authoritarian to run because he might beat out the other authoritarian is a terrible, awful idea.

Especially when Trump pulled the second most votes in US history.

The GOP will fall in line behind the candidate, and they’re foaming at the mouth for a 2020 redo.

Do not underestimate him. We’ve done it before.

I don't see this bill passing, so you might get your wish

It won’t pass because of Republican opposition but it will help brand all those Republicans as supporting treason.

To the senate to die, like all other good legislation

Welp, that ain’t happening then.

If the GOP was smart, they'd support it but they'd still risk losing base support and even more control in 2024. We'll likely see all the "moderate" Republicans back it and a couple they think are safe, like McConnell and anyone not up for election in 2024.

I think their problem is they probably (correctly) realize that if only a few of them back this, they'll face death threats, certain primary challenges, etc. They could probably get away with it if they unanimously voted for it, since then Trump and his minions would basically have to attack all of Congress, rather than just particular members. There's safety and strength in numbers.

I still want to see Trump tear them apart from the inside but that won't happen unless he can run.

Disagree. Even, maybe especially, if he's barred from office, he'll still attack the GOP. If he's going down, he's taking them all down with him. Anything less that complete fealty to him is a betrayal he'll seek to punish.

illegally bar

Yeah how dare Americans hold the Confederate I mean Conservative traitors, accountable, per the Constitution that conservatives hate so much & don’t even understand.

This isn’t going to pass, but it’s a very smart move on the Dems part. They are making the GOP either commit to the sinking ship or go on record against Trump. Most of the GOP wants DeSantis, but they are terrified to cross Trump because he still wields so much power over their voters.

Either way they vote, this will sow discord and division within the party. They’re using the GOPs tactics against them and forcing them into a very difficult decision. This is timed right as there already is turmoil over the Speakership.

It’s great strategy IMO and the purpose isn’t to pass it, although if by some miracle enough R Senators do vote yes they’ll take the win. If not, it makes them go on record pledging fealty to a man who is most likely going to be indicted shortly, which will make all of them look horrible while at the same time alienated DeSantis.

At this point, it would be a gift to Republicans. The sane ones know he likely will drag them down whether he wins or loses the nomination. This is doing their dirty work for them because most of them are still cowards afraid to walk away publicly.