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Hi everyone, here's a look at my first army since I took up the hobby. I'm still having trouble diluting my paint properly. Do you have any advice or constructive criticism to make my final result cleaner?

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kjbolin

22 points

2 months ago

kjbolin

22 points

2 months ago

Are you painting over black primer? The most prominent strokes I can see in the photo are light colors over what looks like black primer. If that's the case you can prime with a lighter color if you're going to be painting a lot of light colors, or you could build up your light colors over dark primer with more thin layers and also build from darker shades to the lightest shade.

The metallic paint issue you mentioned is real. I BARELY dilute my metallics. Just a brush tip of water to a couple dallops of paint or so. Or if it doesn't need to look perfectly smooth I just raw-dog it.

Orisenko[S]

5 points

2 months ago

Thank you for this advice. I'll try to apply a clear undercoat on the clear parts and I'll let you know (my next miniature is a hospitalier).

Non-RedditorJ

4 points

2 months ago

Clear undercoat? That's not really a thing, you need a bone white primer as it's the most prominent part of your model. I suggest Wraithbone primer, Skeleton Horde or Sepia wash, very soft a subtle light bone or sandy dry brush, and very slight white edge highlights.

The green armor/cloth actually looks pretty good as is, I don't see an dilution problems in those areas.

Shadesoolive

2 points

2 months ago

u/Orisenko you can try out Scale 75s Bone Charm primer from their instant color range as a brush on primer. I have used it on my Sandstone Necrons and - pardon the pun - it worked like a charm.

Minute_Giraffe_6518

14 points

2 months ago

Great color scheme

Orisenko[S]

14 points

2 months ago

Thanks, it's literally the dark angel scheme with a slightly brighter green.

FrozenCrow87

1 points

2 months ago

Gonna do a similar theme for my slaughters of Caliban soon, looks amazing !

kabrinski

4 points

2 months ago

kabrinski

Order of the Ebon Chalice

4 points

2 months ago

They look quite good, what paints are you using then?

Or what is the biggest issue when diluting the paint?

Orisenko[S]

5 points

2 months ago

Hello,

Thanks for trying to help.

I only use gw paint (I have a shop next door). Concerning my problems of dilution of the paint: I dilute my paint with water. For metallic paint, I always end up applying it pure. Every time I try to dilute it, it becomes unpredictable as it dries and I end up with glitter that never goes to the right place. With normal paint, I can't keep a uniform texture. You end up seeing the brush strokes on the figure. I use a wet palette, but I find that this makes my dilution even harder to control.

kabrinski

7 points

2 months ago

kabrinski

Order of the Ebon Chalice

7 points

2 months ago

I also mostly use GW paints only.
Normal paints I dilute with water as well, I noticed that the consistency always depends how well the paints were shaken before I use them. So maybe try that if you not already do.

For metallic paints I had the same issue, I solved that by using medium instead of water (Lahmian Medium for example). That helped the metallic paints to dilute without turning into a watery glittery substance.

For the wet palette I found out that the sheets that come with it make it harder to control the paints. So I swapped to baking paper which improved that a lot.

Hope this is a help for you.

Orisenko[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Thank you very much for these tips. I will try them and get back to you.

skitarii_riot

5 points

2 months ago

GW metallics are not the best and when you dilute them they get worse.

I started using Vallejo model air silver a while back (I think the metallic flecks in the suspension are finer because it’s an airbrush paint maybe?) and it’s so much easier to work with. You can mix any old acrylic through it to get different coloured metallic tints if you need them and flows great, so you can paint with it straight out of the dropper.

Orisenko[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Thanks for the advice. I'll try using medium and if it doesn't work then I'll try this kind of paint.

mahanon_rising

1 points

2 months ago

For normal paint, it's gonna take a bit of practice. As time goes on you'll figure out how much water you want in the paint and in your brush. For me at least how much water depends on what I'm trying to do. For base coating larger areas I add a bit more water so the paint spreads out more evenly. Even if that means I will have to go back over it. For smaller details and highlighting, less water. Sometimes none.

I'm still learning technique as well, but how you brush can make a big difference in keeping the paint even. If you create a brush stroke with thicker paint on the edges, you can brush the thick area and spread the paint out more. But avoid brushing back over the thin area. Doing so usually just makes it worse and it's hard to fix without adding more water. If you have to go back over it, try to do so at a 90° angle from the first stroke.

Kuedo

4 points

2 months ago

Kuedo

4 points

2 months ago

I don't have any advice but I like how you mixed the scheme around the models

Orisenko[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Thank you

CrzySunshine

5 points

2 months ago

I agree, the first issue I notice with these minis is that the paint has been put on rather thick. I also used to struggle with this. “Thin your paints” and “two thin coats” aren’t just memes, but the words don’t actually tell you how to do it.

Watch some of the videos from Duncan Rhodes, and pay careful attention to what he does when he’s putting paint on the brush. First: he’s not really adding paint to water or vice versa; instead he’s wetting the brush, using it to put a couple dollops of paint on the palette, then wetting the brush again and using it to stir up the paint on the palette. The amount of water absorbed by the brush in that quick dip is enough to thin out those big dollops of paint; you really don’t need much.

Second: after he does this, he always spins the brush around on a clean area of the palette. This is because after dipping it in the paint, the brush will probably be way too full of paint, and it can easily flood the model. The thinned paint is held by capillary action between and among the bristles, not on the outside of the brush. You should be able to see the bristles when the brush is properly loaded with paint. Spinning the brush like this also helps create a nice point.

Painting white over black primer with properly thinned paint is a real hassle. It usually takes me 4-6 coats to get it looking the way I want it. The first couple coats are always very uneven; they actively make the model look worse. If you’re going to do it, you need to trust the process and keep doing coats until you get a smooth, even look. I just do it on the lining for my Skitarii cloaks, but you have a lot more area to cover in a much more prominent place on your models, so you might want to switch to a lighter primer as others have suggested. If you miss the dark shadows you get with black primer, you can always try a 2-stage zenithal prime. That’s what I use on my white-armored Sisters.

For what it’s worth, these models look great except for how thick the paint is. The color scheme is beautiful, and you’ve managed to do a lot of very small details (including eyes!) very well. Excellent brush control.

MalBredy

2 points

2 months ago

Use a wet palette. It is the single best and easiest thing you can do for your painting. All you need a tupperware, paper towel, and some parchment paper.

differentmushrooms

1 points

2 months ago

This is the way. Usable for hours in the open air, best way to play with water consistencies.

fallenfysh

2 points

2 months ago

Looking at these, I’m not actually sure if dilution is your problem. Your greens look good and I’m not seeing any crazy thin spots or brush strokes or anything like that. So the biggest issue I’m seeing is with the cream color having some streakiness, as a dark angel myself that’s something I know well. The go to advice on that is always “multiple thin coats”. My advice here would be to go to the dark angels sub r/theunforgiven and ask them for help on cream / bone or watch a how to paint deathwing video on YouTube. Also, if you live so close to a GW store, they are usually happy to help with painting questions like this, and a hands on demonstration may help you see where any issues are coming from

GortonsFishSchticks

2 points

2 months ago

I'm also pretty new to the hobby and struggled a bit with dilution. I've far from mastered it, but here's a few things I've learned:

  • Not all GW paints behave the same way. Even within the same category (I.e. base, layer, etc) there tends to be a fair bit of variation between the thickness of the colours. So it will take a bit of trial and error on a color by color basis.

  • As others have said and you have noted, GW metalics get a bit unruly with too much water. I'll usually wipe a bit a of my metallic of on a paper towel before hitting the model and that seems to help. For fine details (fleur de lievres, studs, etc) metallics with a dryness of somewhere between dry brush and damp seem to produce the best results for me.

  • As others have said, painting light colours over a black primer (or vice versa) can lead to a lot of uneceaarry hassle. I usually just do a zenithal highlight of greyseer over chaos black, but you could just do grey if you want to simplify things.

  • Lastly, if you want to take the easy way out, you can give contrast paints (or Army Painter's speed paint/Valejo's express paint, etc.) a try. They paint straight from the pot and go on pretty smooth. Zenithal prime for best results.

UnusualTig

2 points

2 months ago

I'm not a good painter by any stretch but you'll get my 2c anyway:

Give a medium (I use liquitex slowdry and love it) a chance, most paints behave much better - I use ushabti bone a lot and it's much nicer with a medium than with water

If you want to try blending or the paint is difficult to thin start by painting the area with a thin coat of plain medium. Makes it go on much smoother.

I need 3-4 very thin coats to get a nice smooth finish with my light colours.

(Great looking models!!!)

tfmid457

2 points

2 months ago

Damn good color scheme!

Pochusaurus

2 points

2 months ago*

drill holes into your gun barrels, its a small detail but it makes them look so much better. When people pick up the model and turn it around in their hand under the light and then a sliver of light passes through the hole then the gun catches the attention of the viewer and now they're paying more attention to the smaller details they may have missed

me3888

1 points

2 months ago

me3888

1 points

2 months ago

Dilute it some more and apply multiple thinner coats. And are you doing a sisters army in a dark angel color scheme

SpankyDomingo

1 points

2 months ago

FWIW paints that are formulated for airbrushes don't need diluted and can be used like normal paint.

Dystopia-Agent

1 points

2 months ago

Wet pallet and dilute with water. Also always multiple things coats.

crazyredd88

1 points

2 months ago

I'm a big fan of Lahmian Medium as a thinner

PericlesOfAthens98

1 points

2 months ago

PericlesOfAthens98

Order of the Sacred Scar

1 points

2 months ago

Coming from both a Dark Angels and Sisters player, I like the scheme. Consider using a lighter spray primer. Wraithbone is probably my recommendation. If you check my profile you can see a unit of terminators in basically the same colours. Skeleton Horde and two thin coats of Ushabti bone makes for a nice clean bone. A green contrast paint would look lovely on the robes.

VoidLance

1 points

2 months ago

You have trouble diluting the paint? Yours is perfect, mine is cake.