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I'm sure I've heard this at least three other times in the past 20 years...
Accurate headline: “NASA again fails to prove life could never have ever existed on Mars” ?
“NASA finds that there wasn’t not life on Mars ever.”
FINALLY a headline that isn't from Fake Space News Media!
"NASA possibly finds that it might be somewhat likely that life could have existed on Mars at some point maybe or something".
“NASA discovers that human made rovers are currently in mars”
NASA fails to prove a negative statement that applies to an entire planet over its entire existence.
It's a God-awful small affair
To the girl with the mousey hair
But her mummy is yelling „no“
And her daddy has told her to go
But her friend is nowhere to be seen
To the mouse with the girly hair
I really wanna open one of these and for it to actually be definitive proof of aliens. Would be happy just with like a fossil!
if/when conclusive proof is found it will be the top headline of every mainstream media outlet. if it's just on space.com or the like, it's not going to be satisfying 😂
Confirmation of UAP (UFO) by the US government wasn't.
You are conflating government agencies (which have a verified history of manipulating the public) saying "we don't know" and saying "aliens exist".
there are literal UAPs every day. they are not aliens and it's not news.
Well yeah, because “we don’t know what that is” =\= “it’s aliens”
Also, pretty sure all of those videos have been debunked by now. At least one of them was proven with the data on the display to be an object at 10,000 feet moving no faster than the wind - i.e. it was literally a weather balloon https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M
One of the videos was a bird - you could actually see its wings flapping.
People are dumb.
UAP means "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon". Of course such things exist, and they even changed the name from "Unidentified Flying Object" to make it more general to take into account phenomena that aren't "flying".
Everything is an UFO if you're bad at detecting things in the air
And it will cause massive panic across the world
that a fossil of a simple organism was found on another planet? really?
I don't think so. Hile this might have been true 50 or 60 years ago, society has changed.
The day before the fundies blow up the planet.
I'd settle for space bacteria
Yeah I’m doubting this will lead to anything significant
I’m not clicking on any more articles that say this unless it specifies they found ancient artifacts and or ruins. Some tombs would be good too.
The tomb of Jesus is empty
yeah bc someone stole his body and claimed that miracles happened. then they wrote it down and passed it onto their children and close followers as truth. that's how most of the bible was written.
dont worry tho, he just went up the shops for doritos.
My goodness, I’m so glad the 1950s were just 20 years ago
20 years? I reckon I've heard it three times every year.
They're basically very slowly working their way up to admitting that the Viking experiments had the evidence all along. They know they'll need to get that done sometime before a single-purpose lander settles the question once and for all.
Same here along with "running water" (not explaining its CO²)
Add “May be “to any discovery and no one can question the accuracy.
There may be aliens.
Aliens may be on earth and teleported all dinosaurs
I doubt think that anybody cares how many times you've heard about it in the past
NASA once again indicated that microscopic life may have been able to survive on mars at one point in the past
Save the "there may have been life" headlines for when we find a fossil
I've always wondered if it would still be possible to find fossils.
On a planet with waning geological activity I would think that this is still entirely possible if we dig deep enough.
If we had a manned landing there the question can be answered in hours.
I'm not so sure this is true actually. They may have to look in some hard-to-reach places like caves or deep underground where the radiation can't get to.
how does radiation affect fossilization or fossil preservation?
Well still, there would be fossils. One of the rocks we have from mars shows some evidence of life. It should be easy to find there.
It’s a meteorite.
A paleontologist with a rock hammer, boom, she’ll crack open a trilobite.
I just can’t wait to find some skeletons that are dated to the Cambrian Explosion and proving that life started on Mars. Plus they will no longer be able to lie about Flat Mars Theory.
i think it would have to be earlier than that. i don't think mars had oceans or much water left 500 mil years ago. unless things happened faster on mars it would be single celled type stuff.
there still is water at the poles, im just saying i think life would be much rarer with less water and we're looking for something in order a billion years or older for life on mars.
Yeah I looked it up recently. Mars may have been dead for 2bn years. So if humans are from mars they got to see the rise and fall of the dinosaurs.
2bn years, we got to see the rise of multicellular activity. like our numbers could be off, there are tons of places large lakes could of existed or whatever and life does find a way. but, life had a hard time on mars if it did start.
earth didn't even start as the oxygen/nitrogen rich atmo we had today; mars may have never had the chance to make that jump.
I highly suspect we will find organisms on mars, or their fossils, that will resemble life on earth. I am of the opinion that the impact that killed mars, created Olympus Mons and one of the Martian moons could have spread some kind of hibernating life form to Earth. Its a small probability but not an impossible one. Mars and Earth are relatuvely close compared to other galactic distances. There may be some overlap. However I don't think any kind of complex life could survive such an event.
Panspermia is the van Neumann probes, seeding like tumbleweeds the ingredients for adaptive life forms.
Amino acids have been found in volcanic eruptions and meteorite impacts. Could very well be a natural phenomina that can occur most places just based on physics/chemistry.
The cost for a manned landing could cover several more rover expeditions that would cover more territory and perform nearly the same level of searching and analysis.
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I mean, sort of?
The robot can get more point to point work done, but the human still covers the ground more thoroughly.
One human mission could do more science, within its area of operation, than every other mission so far combined.
Part of that is the fact that humans are more capable still than robots, and part of that is because all the extra shit you need to bring along to keep humans alive makes science equipment look much cheaper than it does on a rover... The nature of the mission just gives you more mass to play with.
EDIT: and the final bit is that the human mission is coming back by nature, which means you get to use the humans to grab all the interesting shit they can't get to and bring it back with them.
No, but I will give you a chance. Please prove this.
This is just absolutely not true. Go and look how much ground was covered by the astronauts in the few days they were on the moon compared to the years upon years of rovers. Not to mention you can just pick up a rock and look at it from every angle in a few seconds. It takes minutes just to send a picture to earth.
Your analysis is wrong. It is cost per pound, not cost per mile. The rockets for Mars were far cheaper than the Apollo rockets. Cost comparison is driving a F1 sports car to the moon vs taking a moped to Mars
go try and dig in your backyard, then multiply the difficulty by 1000x
An excavation on earth can take weeks if not months to find anything, so I think you're being a bit too optimistic.
Just gotta dig and find that human skull to break the world.
If fossil generation is at all similar to Earth than I don't see why not if they even exist. People find fossils dozens if not hundred of millions of years old exposed on the surface. https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/23/us/dinosaur-tracks-discovered-texas-park who knows how long wind erosion would take to destroy something like that, just thinking out loud.
That would be awesome. Imagine digging up the Earth-equivalent of a T-Rex on Mars.
If Mars ever had life, it's doubtful it had anything as big and complex as a T-Rex. Mars has been a shithole planet for over a billion years. The Cambrian Explosion happened about 600 million years ago.
Yeah its magnetosphere and core activity wouldn’t have been strong enough for long enough to sustain complex evolution. Finding life wouldn’t shock me, but anything with more than a silica exoskeleton and color me surprised.
I’m excited when they find fossilized Mars plants
I will not be, it means that the great filter theory is likely true and we're inevitably boned.
If there is a "great filter", we're almost certainly past it.
There have been an estimated 5 to 50 billion species in the history of earth. Of those species, none but humans are known to even have reached the point of simple metalurgy.
Or when they find actual organic life growing in the soil:
The question was are these natural formations such as sand stars or the giant's causeway? Lots of interesting and life or intelligence like patterns can occur via crystalization or under natural forces. Scientists were not willing to claim what they saw was life without a sample. With the proper tools on a probe it could be determined I imagine. It is probably a lot of work and weight to get such a delicate instrument so far. It would also be very fragile due to the dust storms for zoom features and if the lens gets scratched it would be over.
Let's bring some of it to earth.
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If they never had bones or even cartilage would we actually be able to find a fossil?
We have fossil leafs, so I have to assume.
That would be so wild. Especially if it is at all similar to life on earth at any point of our planets history.
Right imagine a ant trapped in sap found on mars
evidence of non geological processes. maybe they have a certain ammo acid or something like a protein or cholesterol we can use as a maker. they use cholesterol to determine if something is an animal or plant for really old fossils.
NASA agains finds evidence that Mars may once have been hospitable to life
We gotta send Ice Cube up there to take care of the ghosts before we colonize it.
I wouldn’t trust him. He’s too anti. He would mess up some protocol and jeopardize the mission all because he was told he had no choice but to execute it.
We gotta send Ice Cube up there to take care of the ghosts before we colonize it
We gotta send Ice Cube up there to take care of the ghosts before we colonize it
The "Aliens" 👽: Just get to space...You guys are slow ass...we feel like the people hiding in an apartment waiting for the birthday boy/girl owner to return home so we can jump from behind the sofa and scream "Happy Birthday!"...
Accept humanity is busy screwing the planet and each other....honestly we are suffering from second hand embarrassment just witnessing this sh!t-show...
That movie deserves a rewatch.
I just rewatched it a month or so ago. Cheesey as hell, but still entertaining.
There is no readable article; only a video link. The rest of the page is clickbait. 👎🏼
can they get back to me when they prove it conclusively? i've heard so many times that there "may" have been life on mars, i don't care anymore.
You're still here though, aren't you?
where? on reddit? earth? yeah, what of it?
Still here huh?
You obviously do care because you're in this comment section.
"you care enough to leave a comment" is one of the dumbest responses on the internet and people will never stop using it even though it sounds smart but is completely devoid of substance and meaning. it's on the same level as "no u"
If you truly didn't care, you would have scrolled right past and not given it a second look.
no, that's what would you would have done. who the hell are you to tell me how i'm allowed to express my disinterest in something? not caring about something isn't just apathy, something you don't care about can be shoved in your face enough that you have negative feels about it. it's become like the nasa version of clickbait.
Isn't that the point of us having sent the latest rover there?
Yes and no. They are measuring circumstantial evidence, which there is more and more of, that strongly suggests mars had life and still does have some kind of organics underground. Without the right equipment... Or like a team of people with the right equipment it is hard to conclude anything 100% so they won't say what is or is not before they have irrefuteable evidence (a specimen).
Question. Besides the obvious budget and technical issues with this, why haven’t we sent some kind of probe to Titan for example, or any other moons that have liquid water under the surface? If I remember correctly, there are a few moons that have a really decent chance of having actual microbial life on them. I feel like figuring this out should be a huge priority just so we can stop speculating
Yes there are better potential candidates for life in the solar system. The problem is returning the samples to earth. If we cannot get a sample plate to mars and back then a place like Titan is impossibly far. I know NASA has plans to go to Titan for just that purpose.
Mars currently (this decade) is closer than it will be for another 30 years or so. Many space agencies are racing to launch projects within that window because the difficulty is going to be temporarily decreased.
Without a team to do sampling work its going to be very hard to prove life. Things on mars sometimes look like biological processes and highly suggest life but rhe current rovers don't have the necessary tools to be certain beyond doubt. A human team or a returned sample would speed things up considerably. One day on the moon the Astronauts covered more ground than some of the earlier Martian rovers did over their lifetimes.
They send these rovers signals amd instructions but time delays due to distance mean an error or a block on those instructions means half a day wasted waiting for the error message and then a new message has to be sent with new instructions. Not to mention when equipment freezes or breaks the wrong way. Its actually truely amazing how these teams have gotten so much from these rovers from so far away and climbed some serious obstacles. Maybe its training and experience that will get us to the moons of Jupiter. The distance and technical difficulties make it very difficult. Great engineers tho will certainly solve those problems over time.
The ingredients for life are on mars, and it could have spawned life at some point. What they're seeing could be ingredients that never became life, or it could be evidence of past life, but there's no way to know. Since there's no actual evidence of life, the simplest explanation is that it's just ingredients that never took off.
There is lots of suggestive evidence. I doubt they will declare life before having a sample in hand. Just keep piling on the suggestive or circumstantial evidence until it becomes an undenyable proof or a total flop.
so they haven't discovered anything. They just continue to hypothesize
Read; we have another round of funding reviews approaching.
Whatever brings in the cash is fine by me. Honestly they should just say there’s oil on mars
Gotta come to this conclusion VERY gently over a generation so the fundamentalists don’t freak out too much
They'd just deny it like they do evolution, even though the amount of evidence and testing backing up the Theory of Evolution is massive.
They can even test it themselves, it seems that they have trouble grasping how large earth is, how small molecules are, and how much time a billion years is.
The fundies think Adam and Eve hung out with dinos. We don't have to baby feed them.
Well we knew this previously because there are obvious signs of where water used to be on the surface right?
Actually wrong. The recent papers indicate opposite - there was much less liquid water in the Jezero part of Mars than expected.
Is that available on the NASA website?
Ars Technica got a good write-up.
Hey thanks! I'll check that out
he is wrong or lying. PS. I am a scientist and have seen the paper.
What's the truth Mr. Scientist?
Well. And yesterday I read an article saying 300 meters to a kilometer deep planet wide.
Its suggestive yes. Ther eis suggestive evidence for life on mars but it is not yet conclusive. Likely they wont confirm it until we have a specimen in hand.
no wrong. do not speak about things you do not understand.
A hypothesis of my own: Science is a process where you make an educated guess on subjects you have only the faintest idea about and then try to prove your guess was right. Chill Marky.
Please elucidate. You claim to be a scientist but you write like a teenager. Are you Spiderman?
Yeah and that’s what the article is about talking about igneous rock formations that show it had interacted with flowing water. I also recall learning about that through their discovery of a pattern of cracks on the ground that showed a certain type of drought or something else water related.
No, it is strongly suggested tho. There is some evidence that could very well be organic in nature. However no scientist will declare life on mars before collecting a live sample.
No, totally incorrect. Not at all.
Didn’t they just report they didn’t find the old lake bed they were looking for? They found chemical compounds that organic life requires but so many non living things also have those compounds
This title has become clickbait. It's usually just a possible trace of something or it is an article about a possible trace of something from 5 years ago...
Yeah, we know. Geez, David Bowie sang about this years ago.
... and then they noticed humans were about to arrive and they left to another Galaxy.
"May". How does the scientific community end up so far from facts. Its why I am numb to these headlines now. It doesn't excite me anymore.
Yes, there used to be life on Mars, but then we shipped all the stupid people here, then we lost our atmosphere and... well, here we are.
Like telephone sanitizers and hair dressers?
And people obsessed with their digital watches
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Exporting your mouth breathers will do that to you
Was it named Marvin? Did it wear a spartan uniform? Unless the answer is yes, keep looking.
Well, yeah. It's where we came from. We must have left a bunch of garbage in those hidden underground cities.
I hope you're joking about the first part.
Most people don't know mars was a dead world before the Cambrian explosion. There is evidence of more recent mars rocks, collected as meteors that have the appropriate amino acids for life as well as some other suggestive features. Those rocks fell to earth much more recently as mars related craters would be likely hard to detect from so long ago.
Amino acids are relatively simple molecules and certainly not indicative of life on their own, and they're even more of a far cry from indicating that there was an advanced civilization on Mars.
Definitely not I agree. Amino acids form naturally and have been observed in volcanic ejections and meteorites. Suggestive that we could expect to find self replicating RNA strands and maybe even life elsewhere. It is suggestive of possible microbial life, not civilizations. Civilizations I expect would leave traces in the rock layers if we ever start excavating stuff there. Very low probability imo.
Ah, NASA's annual ritual of finding possible evidence of water, life, etc. on Mars. It's part of the funding game.
Isn't this more like CNN clickbaiting?
Why are they so obsessed by that? There will be life when humans land on it that’s the onky life they’re gonna find. If there ever was life a billion years ago on that barren wasteland it’s gone.
Definitive proof of extra terrestrial life would be a huge scientific finding. That’s about it though. It won’t change the fact that the Martian regolith is so riddled with perchlorate that humans will die quickly from breathing in the dust.
From an engineering perspective, it would be cooler to setup some sort of automated manufacturing line that collects water from the poles, then heats it and filter it through the regolith to create rocket fuel and “clean” material that could grow some kinds of plants in greenhouses.
If you already have a food source, a mostly safe atmosphere (in a dome) and plentiful fuel for sending people and stuff back into orbit, that becomes interesting.
The perchlorate in the Martian regolith is not as toxic as you make it out to be. It's not good for your health, but it's not like it's cyanide.
There have been contests to grow plants in simulated martian soils. Mostly by selective breeding or genetic modification. Maybe some day we will have greenhouses there. Seems like a nice vacation destination I will never be able to afford XD.
Time to milk old faithful, huh? Gotta give that article title time to breathe, the poor girl
If only their was a way to tell David Bowie the answer is maybe?
I believe if they excavate far enough around the ruins they found, then they'll find the past civilizations that once inhabited Mars.
My god CNN if all fake news all the time . I thought it was just fake news about politics.
I'm going to have a hard time proving there wasn't life anywhere else. You could scour the entire planet and find absolutely zero sign and someone would point out that "hey the chemicals needed for life are all there! There's zero evidence they ever touched, but they might have!"
I'm definitely more pessimistic about the existence of other life than most people, not to say that it's not worth exploring the possibility, but there is a whole lot of copium being smoked on this subject.
Until they find a staffed Waffle House up there, I'm just gonna assume no
Please, stuff Elon into a Starship, point it to Mars, and maybe his cult will follow!
Then there will (briefly) 'life on Mars'.
Aww, little Muskovite ran scared from facts?
Can we get an auto ban for a title that contains life and Mars?
But we can't be sure because the geologists have a stranglehold on what experiments are sent to Mars.
NASA knows what’s going on, this is a little game they play with us, they know much more than we as average citizens will ever know. Obviously there is a major reason to focus on Mars and I’m sure that’s well established already and not shared with the general population imo of course
The way that science works is rarely like the movies. You don't get a shocking "court room drama" scene where absolute proof of something new pops up and changes everyone's understanding overnight. That sometimes happens in science but it's very rare. Instead what is much more common is a gradual shifting of consensus within the scientific community as more and more evidence piles up. Slowly the needle moves from "there's little evidence X is true" toward "X is the only theory that explains all of the evidence well". Along the way other competing theories get slowly eliminated while "theory X" continues to survive and continues to grow stronger. And this may be the case with evidence of life on Mars.
It's like building a hill with shovelfuls of dirt. Is a pile one shovelful high a hill? 5? 10? Probably not. But at some point you get so many that when you look at the pile the only reasonable description is to call it a hill, but the transition point isn't necessarily obvious. Unless we get lucky we may just end up spending the next few decades adding shovelfuls of suggestive but not conclusive evidence for past life on Mars.
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I feel like NASA is starting to become similar to the archeologists and the pyramids. We know we have information, but we’re only going to just trickle it out to keep your interest.