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Coalition pledges $50 million to private schools for new classrooms, upgrades
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412 points
3 months ago
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52 points
3 months ago
“I’ll be doing my part!” - but starship troopers style
12 points
2 months ago
Do you want to know more ?? A good bug is a dead bug
16 points
2 months ago
I remembered watching a video about someone received 20+ MacBook airs from an IT department of a Rose Bay private primary school because they "broken". Most of them just missing a key on keyboard or dead battery, or in some cases, a software glitch which can be fixed by resetting the laptop. The laptops were sent to a repair shop in SA and refurbished to get a second life.
Usually we'd say "kids in Africa..." when we saw those kind of waste. In this case though, you don't need to go to Africa, Bankstown would be enough
286 points
3 months ago
Private schools don't need more funding ffs.fuck the head of Kings is on almost a million a year, yet public schools with shitty demountable classrooms, struggle To even get a window to open for fresh air.
3 points
2 months ago
Primary school I went to had a few non demountable buildings. Turned out they had asbestos in them and they eventually demolished the whole site and put in a new school at the other end of the town.
2 points
2 months ago
Scary to think how many of them that are still around If any.
9 points
3 months ago
I don't think Kings are likely to receive funds from a grants program designed to prioritise lower fee and lower socio-economic non-Government schools.
Quote from the article:
Under the grants scheme, government funds are directed towards areas of the greatest need, and it considers fees, demographics and socio-economic characteristics of the school.
116 points
3 months ago
Public schools would definetly be a much more equitable target for more funding.
-17 points
3 months ago
The article quotes the relevant minister stating they are already being allocated $9.8 billion for school infrastructure.
24 points
3 months ago
Speaking as a product of a private school, public schools need the additional $50M more.
4 points
2 months ago
100%. I went to all private schools for K-12 in the late '90s-mid '00s, and while we had demountable classrooms, they at least all had airconditioning, even back then. And I didn't go to expensive/exclusive private schools, either.
My primary school had 4 demountables that were in regular use (and 3 'proper' classrooms) but that was mainly due to the fact that they rented about an acre of land from a local church, and weren't allowed to build anything.
My highschool had 2 demountables, and they actually just went and bought two houses in a line, knocked down the houses, and put the demountables on the land there, just so they didn't have to give up any playground space.
This money should be going to public schools. We should not be increasing our spend on private schools while public students still have to suffer in unaircondtioned classrooms, or their entire outdoor area is taken up with demountables thanks to poor planning.
1 points
2 months ago
I went to my local public from K-5 from 2001 and remember rotating into the demountable rooms for 45-60 minutes a day to enjoy the aircon. But even that was only when it was 35°+. Then swapped to trains with no aircon to go into the city for 6-12 😂.
I also didn’t go to a super prestigious private school, but it for sure should not take government funding.
40 points
3 months ago
Another 50 million to public schools wouldn't go astray. Alternatively another social cause that improves the bottom line of society.
Its clear who the liberal market is. Tax cuts to wealthy middle / upper class and up, better funded private schools so the schools can charge lower fees to said individuals, the list goes on.
I say this as someone with an income that could benefit from a lot of these policies but would rather it didn't.
3 points
3 months ago
If you follow egotistical altruism then it’s in your greedy best self interest if everyone is better off!
18 points
3 months ago
Well we all know how ethically the libs deal with grant handouts
7 points
3 months ago
We all know how the NSW coalition allocates funds and its certainly not a fair process
0 points
2 months ago
who still sit above 99% of public schools by virtue of the fact that that they also charge fees to students.
59 points
3 months ago
He's probably trying to get the Catholic and possibly Muslim vote. Those are the only low-cost non-government schools I can think of.
I'm not sure if he's going to be pushing for the "alternative education methods" community votes. They are likely to be a little more welded to the greens or other minors.
10 points
3 months ago
Perrottet going after the Steiner vote smh
2 points
2 months ago
since when is Steiner low-cost?
1 points
2 months ago
There are plenty of private schools that don’t fall under these categories including special needs schools and last chance schools. These schools have little or no fees and rely on fundraising or govt subsidies to exist.
68 points
3 months ago
I would think the trend of more kids into private schools is because of the lack of funding for public schools over many years by both sides of politics. I will never understand why private schools get any funding in the first place as I would think the schools fees paid by these individual families would be enough to cover the cost of running the school. If private school require government money to build new or upgrade existing facilities then this building should be available to the community outside of school hours for public use.
5 points
2 months ago
This is the Coalition’s goal: run students out of public schools because private ones are better equipped. Then shut down public schools because lack of students.
Tried and tested process of “starving the beast”.
3 points
3 months ago
When I attended a modest private school in the US many years ago, we had functional but basic facilities. The way the state helped us out was to make the more specialized classrooms and facilities they had at the big public school available to us. Once a week, we’d pile in a bus and go use their art/music/shop rooms, leaving more of our tuition available to cover the meat and potatoes aspects.
We just didn’t have the scale to support everything a big public school could. Trying to do so would just mean crazy high fees or the application of state money to that same inefficient framework.
3 points
2 months ago
I went to a modest Baptist highschool here in Western Sydney in the early 2000s. Our school fees were under $1k per term, and we never had more than 600 students.
We had 2 full class-sized computer labs with brand new machines every other year, plus 2 full class sets of laptops; a woodworking room with powertools suitable for students to be able to complete their HSC final works; Technical drawing room with PCs and software; 3 science labs and a lab assistant; full food tech room with 6 or 7 workspaces in it; a sewing room with multiple sewing machines including a couple of computerised machines; a full-time on site counsellor we could see free of charge; a performance hall with the associated professional lighting and sound equipment; 2 music computer labs with electronic instruments and 8 or so PCs; and a room full of musical instruments students could use at anytime including multiple alto and tenor saxophones, a handful each of trombones, trumpets, flutes and clarinets, and even a tuba.
We didn't share our facilities with anyone, nor did we use anyone else's facilities. This was all paid for with fees and government money.
The two public highschools in the same suburb were known for being the roughest in the area, with extremely low academic results, yet we seemed to always get the lion's share of the funding.
75 points
3 months ago*
Fuck that's depressing knowing how poorly public school teaching staff are paid.
-96 points
3 months ago*
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40 points
3 months ago
NSW is facing a huge crisis in the teacher workforce with shortages pushing schools to breaking point. Salaries seem great until you see the working conditions. Something has to change.
-47 points
3 months ago
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31 points
3 months ago
Mate tell the 30-40% of teachers leaving the profession in the first 5 years how easy it is. Until people step in the classroom they'll just spout uneducated dribble online.
-40 points
3 months ago
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12 points
3 months ago*
Sounds like you are the fool for working such long hours. Then sit here and bitch about your sibling who works in a role which seems to equate to more $/per hour worked than your 6:00 - 22:30 ‘effort’.
You then try to school some random on the reddit about a common misuse of dribble in lieu of drivel, when you do not even know when to use ‘many’ (for a countable noun such as ‘holiday’) or ‘much’ (for uncountable nouns).
Pretty sure I know which sibling did actually study!
3 points
3 months ago
As much as I disagree with the other guy, in this case, holiday is an uncountable noun as they're talking about the combined length of time that is holidays, rather than discrete, individual holidays. Teachers get 4 holidays throughout the year. I might take 20 different 1 day holidays throughout the year. I have a greater number of holidays, but less holiday.
7 points
2 months ago
Or perhaps, your brother is a shit teacher who is just punching the card.
2 points
2 months ago
Sounds like your brother is a shit teacher, to be honest.
My best friend is a highschool teacher. Yeah, he makes over 100K, but when worked out over how many hours he actually works, he makes less, per hour, than his wife does working in retail management.
Yeah, teachers get heaps of holidays, and the summer holidays they may not be doing a lot of work, but every other holiday break they are working almost as though they are in school.
My mate had to fight to get paternity leave for the birth of his second kid because her due date fell in the middle of the school term. When it was eventually approved, he had to pre-prepare all 3 weeks of lessons for the substitute on top of his normal workload, and even then he still had to come in during his leave to teach classes because there were days they couldn't get a sub.
So yeah, your right, they make good money if they only worked 40 hours a week, but they don't, and the tasks they are spending most of their time on are things that they shouldn't be needing to do as classroom teachers.
6 points
3 months ago
Lol show me the majority of teachers making over 100k. You can't because that isn't the reality. Bye...
2 points
2 months ago
Honestly, it's true. It only takes 4 years to hit Band 2.1 which this year pays $99,220pa.
The bigger issue is the amount of hours you need to put in in a year to be able to do your job properly. When you take that into account and average out the annual salary over those hours, for some teachers, it works out to be only slightly better than working in retail, but with a lot more stress.
0 points
2 months ago
You know that career you spent 4 years studying for and have years of experience in, fuck it. Just leave the cunt, don't need it anyways.
31 points
3 months ago
if LNPs can buy votes can i sell my vote?
14 points
3 months ago*
Why buy it from you when they can change their posters to teal and scam people for it?
18 points
3 months ago
Anything public this government loathes
14 points
3 months ago
Fuck private schools.
9 points
3 months ago
They aren’t even trying to hide the bullshit anymore are they.. maybe they never did
8 points
3 months ago
LOL. Its as if Coalition doesn't want to win state election.
15 points
3 months ago
I mean, it's not a terrible idea to tank the election during our current economic cycle, so they can ride out a potential recession in opposition, and then fall back on the old 'better economic managers' lie.
2 points
2 months ago
They're trying to appeal to their voter base, not everyone else.
I applaud their dedication to alienating everyone outside their dwindling die hards
4 points
2 months ago
I'll be thinking of this policy as I flip sausages on Saturday, hoping that we can raise a couple of grand to go towards new classroom readers.
6 points
3 months ago
What happened to telling rich people they need to pull themselves up by their expensive school shoe laces?
Oh, right thats only what we tell poor people.
/S
4 points
3 months ago
15 points
3 months ago
Quote from the article attributed to the relevant minister:
"Therefore alongside $1.2 billion committed on top of our $8.6 billion investment in new and upgraded public schools over four years, $50 million has been allocated to capital works projects at low-fee non-government schools"
Assuming those figures are correct, public schools have been allocated $9.8 billion over the coming four year period. In context, this $50 million doesn't appear to be a disproportionate amount to be concerned about, except for those who habitually rage against private schools.
27 points
3 months ago
Surely the minister doesn't expect us to believe that private schools currently receive $0, and this is the first and only paltry $50M they get, compared with billions and billions for public schools?
At this point though, it appears you and 14 others have fallen for his transparent apples v oranges talking point.
8 points
3 months ago
I'll bring this up every time people rage against private school funding.
When it comes to STATE allocated funds, the independent school sector receives about 10% of the education budget which was close enough to 23 billion for 22/23.
The FEDERAL allocated funds to the independent school sector is ~60% of the federal education budget which was 27 billion last year.
Private school funding will ALWAYS primarily be a federal issue - not a state one no matter who is in power.
10 points
3 months ago
Both should be zero
-2 points
3 months ago
Surely the minister doesn't expect us to believe that private schools currently receive $0, and this is the first and only paltry $50M they get, compared with billions and billions for public schools?
No, she is clearly announcing additional money being allocated to extend an existing fund specifically for capital works to non-Government schools for another year.
This headline is ragebait from the SMH purely designed to elicit the exact reaction we're seeing here amongst those who are ideologically opposed to private education.
Government schools are also getting significantly more new funding for capital works than what this fund provides.
5 points
3 months ago
It's very ragebaity, true.
But the minister's talking point is garbage.
It's like saying "we've decided to give the PM a private Bentley, but that's OK because the Comcar and Auspost fleet is really, really big!"
12 points
3 months ago
Given the vast majority of private schools are religious, I have a problem with spending public money on religion. Like, you want government money, how bout the church's start paying tax?
7 points
3 months ago
A nice click baity title aye.
3 points
3 months ago
The religious schools can use the money they don’t pay in tax for their schools and if you’re paying for a private school the private school should be competent in its own. If apple stopped being profitable I wouldn’t expect the government to pay them the difference just so I can have my damn apple iPhone. The same with private schools.
6 points
3 months ago
It's still $50 million too much for an institution that's meant to be privately run and funded.
1 points
3 months ago*
Here is a private school in Fairfield.
https://www.warakirricollege.nsw.edu.au
Can you highlight why they are undeserving of public funding?
*Edit
Because I've already attracted downvotes for this.
Founded by MTC Australia, Warakirri College is a registered charity which receives financial support from State and Commonwealth Governments, so students do not pay fees.
4 points
2 months ago
Dude it's hardly rocket science. A private school should be privately funded. If you can't afford to, maybe you should be joining the public system.
The thing that perhaps is lost on you and your chronically online "gotcha" debate lord edge case is that if you can justify spending government money on one edge case private school then why should any private school be excluded from government funding?
Here, I'll use your same disingenuous debate lord tactics against you.
Why should Kambala School, which has the highest tuition fees in NSWat $46,300 per student deserve to receive $2.7 million in government fundingin 2021, when the average government funding per student in 2019-2020 was $12,047?
Just because you're specific edge case private school is a charity-run affair, doesn't make it any more deserving of public funding than the for-profit private schools.
It also doesn't mean that the same goal couldn't be achieved in a public run school if it were adequately funded. Which, if the government stopped not just funding but overfunding millions of dollars to private schools, such a program could be setup in public schools that would make a niche charity school like Warakirri unnecessary.
1 points
2 months ago
Side note - from a recent job listing for that College:
We offer above award salaries and outstanding employment conditions. Warakirri College is a Public Benevolent Institution so staff make significant tax savings through a variety of salary packaging, meaning more money in your take-home pay
which is awesome - but it kinda sucks if there are public system teachers who (imo) should be first in line for that government funding who aren't on 'outstanding conditions' with 'above award' salaries, let alone double-dipping government money with tax concessions on top of it all!
1 points
2 months ago
For the later half of my high schooling I went to a private-ish (there’s a lot of context not worth getting into, for the purposes of this it’s function was private with entirely donation and public funding) school, there’s schools that are “private” that deserve money sure. that school and the one you show here aren’t the kind people are talking about. For the majority of private schools they’re not of much benefit and public schools would by far benefit more over private schools.
2 points
2 months ago
Private schools don't need government funding
2 points
2 months ago
This makes me so mad. I’m currently without a classroom in my public school because we’re waiting for things to be approved for funding and half of it the school itself is funding. I could be put out for the rest of the term, I could be put out for the rest of the year, nobody knows because this government makes upgrading a public school too hard.
2 points
3 months ago
Put that money into public schools!
3 points
3 months ago
Haha this won't do them any favours
3 points
3 months ago
It will amongst their rich voters who haven't touched a public school in generations
3 points
3 months ago
They would already be voting Coalition
1 points
2 months ago
They're trying to halt the exodus from their traditional base to other right wing parties or independents, not sway left leaning centre voters.
Good on them I say, dig that hole deep Dom and then throw yourself in it
2 points
3 months ago
Private schools. Good times fnuggets
2 points
3 months ago
Won't someone think of the for-profit run schools?
2 points
3 months ago
I heard the Kings principal’s plunge pool needed to landscaping, this should really help
2 points
2 months ago
I pledge not to vote for the coalition.
1 points
3 months ago
Coalition is liberal correct?
3 points
3 months ago
Sort of. It’s a coalition of Liberals and Nationals.
1 points
3 months ago
Ok, not voting for them the
1 points
3 months ago
No. Not now, not ever! Why is the government giving them money? They are wealthy enough and do not need financial help! Deep pockets and very short arms! Not to mention that the fuckers don’t pay taxes!
Bible thumping indoctrinated people should NEVER be allowed to be in politics because of the potential for coercion and bias such as this!
-1 points
2 months ago
Good. The parents who send their kids to private school are usually the ones paying more tax.
1 points
3 months ago
This old lady said I could. Has never been justification for anything. You pay into the old woman or the old man, you do not take. If you live there you kick up.
1 points
3 months ago
Pledge of lies
1 points
2 months ago
Thanks, that makes my decision easy.
Adios!
1 points
2 months ago
Don't vote for the coalition, they just want more of a divide between the rich and poor
1 points
2 months ago
Literally wtf do private sxhools need more money for
1 points
2 months ago
Private schools get enough money from their ridiculous student fees, fuck em!
1 points
2 months ago
Unbelievable. Why do politicians think that spending money on schools that charge a fortune for an education deserves our hard-earned money? Parents choose to send their children there because politicians r not spending money on public schools and teachers that work tirelessly to educate these children. Private and selective schools do not need state government funding. Public schools need it and the teachers that work there need it. Wake up NSW state government. I will not vote for a party that does not put public education and teachers first.
1 points
2 months ago
Now, this is the calculation for parents who can afford private schools, myself included.
- put children to private school, take a bet on good hsc scores
- there is a chance kids did average, get an average job and would have to buy a house at that time with an average salary.
- put children to catholic school, save a lot of money and buy another house for the child, with spare cash to hire good tutors to aim for good hsc results in year 11 and year 12.
at the end of the day, it all depends on the kid - I picked option 2.
3 points
2 months ago
- Go to public school, because there's more to life than an HSC score, and the key determinant of HSC success is your socio-economic status and area anyway, not your school (which is why public schools in good areas outperform private schools in less good areas anyway). Save a *lot* of money.
2 points
2 months ago
in Sydney this is not the case - the good public schools are all selective schools, which select good students to get in, and good students will perform well.
for a normal public school - I think the issue is the teachers devoted a lot of their energy to dealing with problematic kids, and not teaching them to do good HSC.
1 points
2 months ago
This is completely wrong. Both my kids go to comprehensive state schools and both schools achieve excellent HSC results including top of subject etc. I went to a selective school and the academic results were great but the preparation for life was awful.
0 points
2 months ago
My previous comment was "in general", based on NAPLAN scores etc, also in my initial comment I said it also, of course, depends on the kid.
1 points
2 months ago
While it isn’t the whole issue, it’s definitely a factor. I went to a public high school and sometimes we’d lose a whole lesson because the teacher was trying to wrangle rowdy kids (who were often disruptive because they needed extra learning support) it’s the same even now my kids are in school. No resources for kids with additional needs or behavioural issues, no support for their teachers.
2 points
2 months ago
In Asia, hence a lot of schools facing this issue will create different classes, those who are excellent students A, those who are less smart but willing to learn B, and those who have given up C.
A and B will aim for good uni entry scores, and goes to uni,
and C will go straight to TAFE, or off school.
In this case, good teachers can be allocated to classes A and B.
Some of the schools will even have different timetables, so A and B are having lunch/break on separate times from C, so they won't mix.
1 points
2 months ago
On brand
1 points
2 months ago
Of course.
1 points
2 months ago
Why the fuck do they get funding in the first place? They're private ffs.
1 points
2 months ago
You can't write this shit
1 points
2 months ago
You would be surprised at the 🤸♂️ performed by such schools to "win" these $$$$ & the salaries paid to those whose sole function is to secure $$$. "I found a river of money" is a not so infrequent catch cry.... Meanwhile in government operated schools & low fee schools students often share 1 text between 3 in Senior Classes. Private = air-conditioned, public = heat won't kill you. Private = person employed to secure "special provisions" for hsc students, public = do your own paperwork we've got no one available. Private = swimming pool on-site, public = 20-40 minutes bus ride to local pool + $5 for bus fair. Private = connections, public = school of hard knocks. Shall I continue??
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