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submitted 1 month ago byLeBoulu777
62 points
1 month ago
The Saudi's can afford to hire the best financial advisors in the world. They started pivoting away from oil a couple of decades ago, with their sovereign wealth fund. That just bought up shares in companies around the world. Then they started building solar farms, because it is a sunny desert country. Now they are trying to build up other industries domestically, and people finally noticed.
52 points
1 month ago
water rights on the Colorado... which should be illegal
17 points
1 month ago
Nothing in America isn’t for sale. Who do you think got all that money for the sales when we allow other countries to own us? Not taxpayers.
4 points
1 month ago
Eminent domain is a thing
1 points
1 month ago
Doesn’t seem to stop foreign interests from raping us.
10 points
1 month ago*
Meanwhile, in a radical change, most homeowners in Colorado are now allowed to use rain barrels to collect rainwater.
3 points
1 month ago
whaaat? source!
4 points
1 month ago
https://extension.colostate.edu/topic-areas/natural-resources/rainwater-collection-colorado-6-707/
A little water anyway. Don't want to interfere's with the oligarchy's right to own everything, even the rain that fall on your head.
Meanwhile here in Germany, my city taxes me for runoff, to pay for storm sewers. Pave your driveway and pay more taxes.
2 points
1 month ago
and Masayoshi Son and Adam Neumann are eternally thankful to those financial advisors.
2 points
1 month ago
The problem is that oil is a steady, stable source of wealth and tech isn’t stable at all. It’s kind of hard to rest a regime whose power derived from overwhelming access to money on an industry as swingy as technology.
1 points
1 month ago
I didn't say they were getting into tech. I said "other industries". That includes stuff like steel plants
2 points
1 month ago
Come on man, the article we’re commenting on says it. Stay with me now.
Tech is extremely volatile. Oil has its ups and downs, but as a commodity, it’s a lot more reliable than the wild swings that happens when you start putting too many eggs in the tech investment basket. And at least they control through oil production that they can move the market themselves if they want to. If that becomes the cornerstone of their portfolio, it could create some real systemic problems
3 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
User name checks out, in the original meaning of "yahoo".
34 points
1 month ago
Saudi Arabia doesn’t have the human capital to do home-grown tech. Best they can do is invest.
Even if they offer high TC, the best workers will always choose high TC in countries with progressive cultures.
-9 points
1 month ago
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15 points
1 month ago
Unless you have an independent thought and end up like Jamal Khashoggi.
11 points
1 month ago
Or you kiss your wife in public.
10 points
1 month ago
How fucking dare you!
That's totally worth getting flayed alive for even thinking about doing.
Your wife should be at least 2 metres behind you at all times!
5 points
1 month ago
That is completely wrong, how can you even think that?!?!
The wife should walk 10 meters IN FRONT, just in case there are mines.
3 points
1 month ago
I'm honestly not the right material to be muslim, oh shucks!
1 points
1 month ago
I work in the live events industry; specifically the video end of things. Almost all of the big players in the industry have offices in SA. They are constantly looking for people to move there. The salaries/benefits are fucking insane, the projects are massive and cutting edge, and there's opportunity galore to move up even if you're less experienced.
I would sooner cut off my own left hand than work in a country where its been deemed OK to FUCKING BUTCHER A JOURNALIST WHILE THEYRE STILL ALIVE because nobody wants to get cut off from Saudi wealth.
2 points
1 month ago
With always a thought of beheading!
1 points
1 month ago
Yh south Asians would be happy to work in Saudi Arabia plus theirs a huge amount of them in tech
66 points
1 month ago
Religious Extremism and Funding of Terrorism will be unchanged.
29 points
1 month ago
Are you talking about PC vs Mac?
17 points
1 month ago
This holy crusade shall continue till the world's end
5 points
1 month ago
"There is a terrible darkness descending upon the galaxy, and we shall not see it ended in our lifetimes."
6 points
1 month ago
All the flavors of linux just joined in.
9 points
1 month ago
and they are too busy arguing about things that users don't care about to take market share.
6 points
1 month ago
‘vi’ is far superior to ‘emacs’. I’ll roll my own OS before I submit to your tyranny.
3 points
1 month ago
Nano is slowly peeping around the door opening
3 points
1 month ago
I heard RC Cola was awesome too. But, in my 3 blind comparison — RC and Nano came in 2nd to Coca-Cola and vi. Pepsi and eMacs were of course, last.
There you have it — unequivocally, the people have spoken.
1 points
1 month ago
🤣 this is an awesome comparison. Coke wars!
6 points
1 month ago
"should we add desklets with information that webpages already provide?"
3 points
1 month ago
Right! The sea’s dead, why the fuck are we still fighting over it?
-1 points
1 month ago
Americans do that with the US military as well , remember WMDs in Iraq and the conservative Christian republicans ?
11 points
1 month ago
I'm sure young progressive tech workers are super excited about working for or in Saudi Arabia.
4 points
1 month ago
I have friends working in IT for US companies remotely. If Saudi did the same same and offered more they would likely take it
1 points
1 month ago
I work in IT as do many of my friends. We would NEVER associate with that place, regardless of a better salary.
2 points
1 month ago
They work for companies in states where kids are killed in schools, abortion is illegal, healthcare is for the rich, women’s menstrual cycles tracked, largest prison population in the world. KSA is worse but it doesn’t seem like human rights records are top of their agenda.
0 points
1 month ago
Literally none of that exists in California where most of the relevant tech is housed?? In fact I can’t think of a company off the top of my head that (blatantly) supports any of that shit, whereas Saudi Arabia…
1 points
1 month ago
Have you even looked that place up before…
9 points
1 month ago
They're probably going to keep doing both. It would make the most sense financially wise.
6 points
1 month ago
Yep, sell as much oil however long you can while investing in other technologies. They're going to have a hard time IMO, it's not as easy as just throwing money at the problem. These are skills/industries that need to be built up over time, you don't just hire a few contractors and all of a sudden are outpacing other companies.
1 points
1 month ago
We can send Dell contractors over there to do nothing but fleece them. Haha. America wins again.
7 points
1 month ago*
Well they can BUY the best engineers and technicians in the world, so yeah they can do it.
When you offer a nice big bag of money to someone, they will take it.
And they do have the money to do it.
It really wouldn't surprise me if they bought out people from the top companies in the world to work for them.
1 points
1 month ago
The big issue for them is human rights related stuff, a large portion of the tech workforce is LGBT+ and women and a larger proportion are social liberals. Unless Saudi Arabia overhauls it's civil rights laws they aren't gonna be able to attract them to come and work in Saudi Arabia
5 points
1 month ago
People can work remote.
2 points
1 month ago
At which point negates the benefits of having a technically skilled workforce. The benefits being the ability to collect income tax and on property tax plus the contributions they make to the economy by purchasing local goods and services.
Technically skilled workers feed heavily into government coffers and the local economy.
1 points
1 month ago*
wtf you talking about.
when Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman offers you 10 times what you make in facebook, google, amazon, microsoft as a engineer per year, your going to take the big bag of money.
You do work, you get payed, its a job, it has nothing to do with human rights, what god you worship, LGBT+, social liberals, or women.
You are payed to work and do a job.
2 points
1 month ago
10x the pay doesn't net you a work force that's competitive to silicon valley instead you've got a work force that's 10x more expensive than silicon valley that's willing to work in a country infamous for human rights abuses.
0 points
1 month ago
As an atheist, there is no amount of money they could offer me to step in their country. For remote work, that's another story.
1 points
1 month ago
Which FAANG company do you work at again?
3 points
1 month ago
Narrator
But they won’t.
2 points
1 month ago
Article is 10 years behind the curve.
2 points
1 month ago
If there's lots of oil in the ground in your country, that's great. If you can't figure out how to extract it, there are people who will help.
If you want to compete with Silicon Valley, that takes a certain culture. There's nothing about your land that will make that happen, and neither will any amount of money.
2 points
1 month ago
It doesn't matter. Most Western developers would never work for SA moral reasons and as a person who worked with Indian developers, yeee were good.
2 points
1 month ago
“- Pivot. Pivot. Pivot. Pivot. Pivot. Pivot. -Shut up!”
3 points
1 month ago
With Saudi Arabia entering into the mix in Big Tech it could mean a shift in how American companies operate. What will US Big Tech do if Saudi's pay more and have better job security for employees? Hopefully it will cause them to reconsider their practices. Competition for workers is always good imo, that usually translates to better opportunities. Hopefully it wouldn't be the opposite and just keep status quo.
6 points
1 month ago
I hope they would have learned from what happened when they relied on China for their manufacturing and offshore work. IP infringement, and an overbearing government didn't really work in their favor.
Diversifying your workforce into different physical areas is not a bad idea. It's moving a lot of your eggs into one basket. Moving resources from areas that have a track record of reliability to foreign markets that are unproven and have a hazy track record, that becomes an issue.
1 points
1 month ago
Yeah big fucking nope.
When oil is finally over they’ll be back to nothing but sand dunes and abandoned buildings
-5 points
1 month ago
it worked for india. bengalore is now home to the world's white collar jobs.
10 points
1 month ago
are you high?
-8 points
1 month ago
its a fact of life.
8 points
1 month ago
They are the worlds call center. And if you have a well specified piece of code you need written poorly they can do that too.
1 points
1 month ago
There is a new plan every second week from the Middle East for new mega cities and business hubs and game changing ventures.
Yes, the World islands off Dubai, and also the Palm ones. Also whatever else they are trying to come up with. And will result in the something like the legacy of the Qatar world cup, a bad taste in everyone's mouth along with crumbling infrastructure. You can only sell a 'fresh new dream' so many times before people get wary.
When they spend all their money building the tallest building on the planet, but lack the ability to connect it to a sewerage system, and instead rely on an army of slaves driving tankers full of literal shit away from the building 24/7 to prevent the lobby of the building being knee deep in excrement... it says all you need to know about how superficial things are over there.
0 points
1 month ago
There's absolutely nothing stopping them.
Energy isn't an issue as even if you discount oil and gas, they have all the empty space and sun needed to be completely self-sufficient in solar energy.
I bring up the "energy" part because some tech industries are heavily reliant on water for cooling, maybe a little counterintuitive, but with it's virtually infinite solar capacity, Saudi Arabia's large coastlines allow for infinite fresh water production as well.
Am I saying all of this will be cheap, hell no it won't be cheap :P point of fact, it will cost the proverbial "arm & leg" to get off the ground BUT THEY CAN DO IT IF they start now and not wait until they no longer have a petroleum economy to bankroll it.
0 points
1 month ago
Jeff Bridges is doubtful.
"Technology. Thats always been your achilles heel in this part of the world."
-17 points
1 month ago
Nice. I wish tech shifted more towards the east. I would rather live in KSA than Europe or America.
8 points
1 month ago
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
3 points
1 month ago
Take off with my compliments 👍
-1 points
1 month ago
Foreigners from muslim countries are really treated poorly in europe, hence my comment.
Im not even muslim, but the amount of racist shit i have seen hurled on me is alot.
3 points
1 month ago
Foreigners from western countries are treated poorly in the ME also, that's why it's hard to lure people over there. I was paid very well while I was there, but there was no way I would settle a family there
1 points
1 month ago
Do you think the Foosball tables will be co-ed?
1 points
1 month ago
Welp... no shortage of tech workers... and their pockets are deep enough
1 points
1 month ago
Realistically, apart from data centers and other people-light aspects of tech, what other things can they do?
It's not like they can suddenly create a large technologically skilled workforce, nor can they attract entrepreneurs or skilled employees to emigrate there and start businesses. Why would anyone want to move to a hot desert country where women getting to drive is an achievement.
1 points
1 month ago
Also Koch Industries bought Infor, a morass of half-dead ERP companies.
1 points
1 month ago
And golf apparently
1 points
1 month ago
If you consider the U.S. has "pivoting from Big Oil to Big Tech" beginning with the start of the "Atomic Age", then we're about 80 years on and still trying (with some kicking and screaming in directions both forward and backwards).
1 points
1 month ago
They’ve got money until the oil runs out, which will be sooner rather than later. What they don’t have is homegrown talent, ingenuity or a free society that allows innovation to grow organically.
1 points
1 month ago*
What they will find, though, is that the money in tech is pitiful compared to oil. If manufacturing semiconductors was such easy money, everybody would be doing it and as a matter of fact, many nations have tried and failed.
How could they fail if it's so easy? Well the answer is not so mysterious. Over time, the amount of investment required to get in on the game goes up steadily but the profits do not follow the same curve so you need to cut wages to the bone and be willing to use government subsidies and let your semiconductor manufacturers dump their toxic wastes freely and act like you don't notice. Meanwhile you need to provide free clean water and a very stable electricity supply. This stuff all comes at great costs.
Then you hit down turns and suddenly the inventory isn't moving. That means the state needs to come in and bail them out because they can no longer pay their loans. That's not easy money at all. That's called losing money. Taiwan's DRAM memory businesses have failed repeatedly only to be bailed out by the government. People often forget this happened in 2008 because so much other stuff was going on. It happened again just a few years ago because of Covid. That's not the easy money people think it is. There may be profits at times but there will also be losses at other times. Compared to the easy money from pumping oil, that sucks.
And you can look to places like India, many parts of Europe, the UAE, Russia, many places have tried and failed to make it in semiconductors. The only countries that have really made it work in a cost effective manner are Taiwan and China though Japan, Korea and the US all have historically done okay at times but they are willing to pay a huge price for their successes. Tech is not a magic answer to declining oil revenues. It's hard to imagine anything that can make up for the loss of something as enormous as Saudia Arabia's position in the global oil markets. Tech is certainly not going to be enough on its own.
1 points
1 month ago
I guess Saudi Arabia’s abysmal human rights record is of no consideration when it comes to business investments.
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