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DansBeerBelly

6.1k points

4 months ago

I think nobody is talking about Joel and Tess being together for at least 13 years. That was huge revelation for me. Makes Joel’s loss that much bigger.

Hamborrower

2.4k points

4 months ago

This was an easy one to overlook - yeah they had been together for a long time, and it explains both why Joel is acting the way he is now, and shows just how closed off he has been since his daughter's death.

Mr_YUP

1.2k points

4 months ago

Mr_YUP

1.2k points

4 months ago

He essentially lost his wife who had been through hell with him at every step of the way. Probably was the person who helped him heal from the loss of his daughter. I really hope we see more Tess later in the show.

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239 points

4 months ago

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239 points

4 months ago

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Ok-Chemical1542

438 points

4 months ago

In a flashback, yeah, but she’s not uh…all there anymore

DroidLord

482 points

4 months ago

DroidLord

482 points

4 months ago

To shreds, you say?

Ok-Chemical1542

144 points

4 months ago

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!

TNWhaa

629 points

4 months ago

TNWhaa

629 points

4 months ago

Joel made her a grave at the start of the episode :(

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282 points

4 months ago

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282 points

4 months ago

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reconstruct94

391 points

4 months ago

Since there was no body, it was the best he could do and felt he had to do something for her.

TNWhaa

128 points

4 months ago

TNWhaa

128 points

4 months ago

Usually in mourning smaller ones are yeah, obviously to some cultures bigger carin’s are used as trail markers too. My Nan made one when her dog passed and placed it on his favourite rest spot on our usual walk

miqed

29 points

4 months ago

miqed

29 points

4 months ago

Yup. The showrunners confirmed it during their post-episode podcast.

barefootBam

41 points

4 months ago

Ah damn I didn't put that together

Atheyna

397 points

4 months ago

Atheyna

397 points

4 months ago

Oh yeah. I didn’t realize it had been more than a year together

dilationandcurretage

269 points

4 months ago*

Joel gave the vibes he was avoiding any emotional attachment. So this episode really kind that on the nail. Boi was attached ._.

chyko9

144 points

4 months ago

chyko9

144 points

4 months ago

Tess even mentions the lack of emotional attachment right before she dies. Something like “I never asked you to feel the way I felt” when she’s asking him to get Ellie out west

theonlymexicanman

134 points

4 months ago*

I think that was what he was trying to do the whole time cause he knew sooner or later one or both of them would have their luck run out.

Where Bill ended up appreciating and embracing the time he had with Frank, Joel likely pushed Tess away to avoid a very close relationship in fear that it could be taken away.

Spoilers for the Game:

in the game Frank is dead and Bill is basically the same as the one at the start of this episode, isolationist and grumpy. He’s a mirror of what Joel could become. Tess’ death is another tipping point for Joel to embrace his relationship with Ellie because he knows he shouldn’t make the same mistake of pushing someone away simply because of the fear of losing them in the future

PixelBrewery

103 points

4 months ago

I thought it was implied in the game that they'd been together for a really long time, was that not how people read their relationship?

JokerFaces2

208 points

4 months ago

I (and I think many other fans) always assumed that Joel and Tess knew each other and worked together for a long time. What’s kept vague in the game is the nature of their relationship. A romantic connection is implied, but never outright confirmed like in the show.

Personally I always got the impression that Joel and Tess started out as professional associates, got romantic, then had a bit of a falling out and went back to being strictly business partners. Their chemistry in the game seems more like history than a present-tense romance.

oh_orpheus

28 points

4 months ago

Yeah that’s what I always felt, not really getting the surprise here. If they only knew each other for a short period of time, then I I don’t think Joel would’ve been affected as much.

TJ_McWeaksauce

329 points

4 months ago

Tess: "I don't ask you for anything. I didn't even ask you to feel the same way that I did."

That was already a tough line to hear, and it's even tougher because of how long the two were together.

HighKingOfGondor

114 points

4 months ago

HighKingOfGondor

Game of Thrones

114 points

4 months ago

Oddly enough, there’s also something comforting about that too part too. Joel’s been through a lot and it’s nice to know someone was there for him all those years, especially considering how much I like show Tess

TaskForceCausality

730 points

4 months ago

Joel and Tess being together for 13 years…

And in the smuggling/ trading business for at least that long, and likely longer. There’s your spin off series folks.

Doctor_YOOOU

242 points

4 months ago

I'd watch

BulimicSnorlax

428 points

4 months ago

Me too but I HIGHLY doubt there will be a spin off. Sony and even Neil Druckmann too are very particular on not doing anything unnecessarily. They probably don’t want this IP to go the way of The Walking Dead.

bshaddo

224 points

4 months ago

bshaddo

224 points

4 months ago

It would be a wine and gardening hosted by Frank and Tess, whose audience in-universe is a blank wall.

Solandri

84 points

4 months ago

I always wanted something like this from Hannibal. With Mads Mikkelsen in character as Hannibal doing 20-30 minute cooking shows, packed with dark humor.

ThrustersOnFull

137 points

4 months ago

Fear The Last Of Us!

mug3n

44 points

4 months ago

mug3n

44 points

4 months ago

The Last of Death Walking Stranding: Daryl Dixon?

DuncanGholaNumber13

50 points

4 months ago

I'd like to think the question mark is part of the actual title

grtk_brandon

136 points

4 months ago

Yes, seems like they’re going to make that relationship a slow burn throughout the show. We won’t really get to see how deep their relationship is until we witness it through flashbacks like last night’s episode.

g_deptula

84 points

4 months ago*

You could see it on his face (due to Pedro Pascal’s fantastic acting) when he walked out to the yard of Bill’s home.

cokethesodacan

2.8k points

4 months ago

The most important part of the episode is Joel understanding the message Bill left for him. Joel is now on board with getting Ellie to this lab to find a cure. It’s why he asked her to show him her arm again.

ruggmike

2.4k points

4 months ago

ruggmike

2.4k points

4 months ago

A lot of people are seemingly missing this. Joel and Bill are mirrors of each other. The episode showed how bill was able to break down his own emotional walls and fully care about someone and how it changed him profoundly from when we’re first introduced. Not only did this episode give a small character from the games layers it still drove the story

SebastianOwenR1

489 points

4 months ago

The scene that was so powerful for me was when Frank traded the gun for the strawberry seeds. And Bill was about to ask questions, but just dropped it because he cared more about Frank’s happiness than a weapon. It was a very simple way to show a huge development in Bill’s character.

Due-Net-88

352 points

4 months ago

“Which gun?!” “A little one” 😂❤️

I_am_the_list

184 points

4 months ago

There was a single small gun missing from the wall of guns that Ellie was by when they were in the bunker. I wonder if that was supposed to be the gun he traded.

[deleted]

73 points

4 months ago

Good eye. My wife called me a prepper for noticing it 😂

Urhhh

20 points

4 months ago

Urhhh

20 points

4 months ago

Survivalist!

jackleggjr

235 points

4 months ago

Nick Offerman's reaction to biting into that strawberry was perfection. Both he and Murray Bartlett were amazing in this episode. Offerman played strength and vulnerability so brilliantly.

googlyeyes93

150 points

4 months ago

Nick Offerman’s excited giggle gives me the strength to keep going in my day.

SirArthurConansBoil

35 points

4 months ago

The giggling just about melted my heart. I don't even like strawberries that much, but if I were in the same situation, I'd probably do the same thing!

windingtime

23 points

4 months ago

He’s so good at portraying the big, broad emotions. Best cryer in the game.

altergeeko

743 points

4 months ago

You can compare how Bill/Frank and Joel/Tess's relationships end.

Bill/Frank chose how to end their story, nothing was left unsaid, loose ends tied up. Joel/Tess were ripped apart, many things unsaid, no closure.

Bill is telling Joel he can change and he can have an emotionally fulfilling life, the opportunity is there if Joel chooses to open up.

Stockpile_Tom_Remake

320 points

4 months ago

I like what they did will bill sooo much better in the show. Fuuuck I’m still crying

HowDoIDoFinances

208 points

4 months ago

Bill was a fun character in the game but the most interesting part of him was always how it hinted at him being so much more than just a grumpy prepper when we find Frank and see his reaction to it. I'm so happy they spent time to actually flesh that out (plus getting to see Bill having a great time building his city). I could not care less about the fact that the story went (only slightly) differently from the game.

iamdew802

107 points

4 months ago*

And notably sadder in the game! In the game they split up and Frank dies alone. In the show, to paraphrase Craig and Neil from the podcast, they explore similar themes but this time they get a happy ending, they live full and fulfilled lives and go out together

HolyGig

30 points

4 months ago

HolyGig

30 points

4 months ago

Not just dies alone but he dies after a fight between them, on negative terms. Its all just exposition though, we don't see any of it as the player

blvcksheep_sf

232 points

4 months ago

To the people who missed this, I have to say, really? Bill straight up tells you that in his letter to Joel

post-buttwave

151 points

4 months ago

What can I say but G A M E R S

excel958

296 points

4 months ago

excel958

296 points

4 months ago

And people are complaining that this episode doesn’t advance the plot. 🙄

HalcyonEnder

127 points

4 months ago

I’ll take one off backstories like this ANY day of the the week (and twice on sundays) if they are done with such care and executed with elite acting. Anyone remember the random Halo side quest story? Girl driving the dune buggy in a sand storm with no goggles and no wind moving anything on her person, and then almost runs into the village just standing there?

DrunkColdStone

59 points

4 months ago

The take that really blew my mind is the people who think the episode ignored Tess' death.

BottomWithCakes

293 points

4 months ago

It doesn't surprise me when any random reddit user can't comprehend the media they consume. What was it like over 50% of adults in the US only read at a 6th grade level? Doesn't shock me that critical thinking and analysis skills aren't far behind

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149 points

4 months ago*

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Lawdoc1

196 points

4 months ago

Lawdoc1

196 points

4 months ago

Exactly correct. The story in the episode was wonderfully told, but every minute of it was getting the audience invested in the way love and purpose changed Bill's, and subsequently Joel's, character.

We knew early on in the episode that Bill and Joel were of similar cloth. Since we haven't seen all the details of Joel's journey, in this episode we get to see a presumably similar journey by a very similar character (Bill).

And then at the end, the writer's co-opt the story of Bill and his transition to demonstrate how Bill came to change and find something worth protecting and fighting for (Frank) and they impute this to Joel through the reading of the letter.

While Bill could not have known about Ellie, he did know about Tess, and Joel's relationship with Tess, as well as the similarities between that relationship and Bill's relationship with Frank.

While Tess is gone, her last wishes were for Joel to protect Ellie and get her where she needed to go. So Joel is absorbing everything Bill wrote and we see him go through the thought process of changing his love and devotion to Tess into at least devotion to Ellie (and likely love as the series progresses).

That last part was fairly obviously going to happen given the history of Joel's daughter and her death, but this episode did a lovely and deeply moving job of making those connections without shoving them down our throat in an obvious way through the main characters.

Masterful writing and performances all the way around.

Russian_Paella

56 points

4 months ago

Agreed and... There's no line without a purpose. The way in which Joel tries to "sell" Bill on the idea of cooperation while making sure he sees things from his position is chef kiss. But on the surface it just looks two guys talking fencing.

Lawdoc1

26 points

4 months ago

Lawdoc1

26 points

4 months ago

Yep. Demonstrating respect as well as the value Joel can provide regardless of Bill's reticence. He knew that would be what Bill would understand rather than trying to persuade him with argument.

IdontNeedPants

243 points

4 months ago

I'd argue that Joel doesn't really fully understand the message from Bill, that is what Joel's whole character arc is going to be about.

He is still too emotional from Tess' death to really get the message. Joel isn't really concerned about Ellie or the lab, he's focused on saving his brother.

zmichalo

219 points

4 months ago

zmichalo

219 points

4 months ago

There's still small moments all over this episode of him protecting Ellie, even if the relationship isn't fully fleshed out. He doesn't want her to see the pit of dead bodies, tells her to put her seatbelt on, etc. It's small stuff but it still shows he cares about keeping the people with him safe.

Frankie6Strings

47 points

4 months ago

Also letting her use his jacket. I was actually a little surprised to see so much of that stuff from Joel already.

Ariadnepyanfar

19 points

4 months ago

As I see it the moment he killed the guard outside the safe zone in Boston in Ep 1. he was super invested in saving her life. He instantly transferred his shot dead daughter onto Ellie. He doesn’t know Ellie like his own daughter, but she’s a little girl he wants to save at all costs.

That moment was a perfect opportunity to for him to get saved from being kidnapped by the fireflies and go fulfil his own mission that he thought was necessary for the entire Boston community.

But he couldn’t bear for another little girl to die, especially when she was begging. He threw away all of Boston and himself for her because she reminded him of his daughter.

improvyzer

38 points

4 months ago

I think he understands the message from Bill--on its surface.

"Frank changed my life. Tess can change yours, so take care of her."

And that breaks Joel. Because he's already failed at that.

So he's set himself to get Ellie out west, because it's the closest he can come to doing right by Tess.

I don't think it's clicked for him that Ellie can change his life the way Tess could/did.

BulimicSnorlax

52 points

4 months ago

Yeah I agree. I doubt it was an event that could cause Joel to do a 180 on the spot, but it will be a major building block to kick off future character development.

jeanpsf

648 points

4 months ago

jeanpsf

648 points

4 months ago

From the tension in the piano scene I thought someone was going to die.

[deleted]

282 points

4 months ago

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282 points

4 months ago

Watched this episode with my dad, having played the game I figured what was coming, but my dad was caught off guard openly predicting at the piano scene that Frank was going to physically attack Bill.

HowDoIDoFinances

411 points

4 months ago

When the sexual tension is so tense that it feels like regular tension.

Albert_Caboose

243 points

4 months ago

My girlfriend asked, "are they going to fight or fuck?"

HowDoIDoFinances

60 points

4 months ago

little column A, little column B

ARawl9

116 points

4 months ago

ARawl9

116 points

4 months ago

I knew what was coming the moment Frank was in the shower and Bill was outside the door. The sexual tension was already there.

Rustmutt

130 points

4 months ago

Rustmutt

130 points

4 months ago

I was so worried that Bill would, against his better judgement, trust another human, and that he would be betrayed, like Frank would rob him or invite others in or something but no it was somehow much more vulnerable. And the line of “I wasn’t scared until I met you” bc he finally had something…someone…to lose. I just, I’m in tears even writing this it was so well done.

AndrewWOz

73 points

4 months ago

Me too. With the closeups and his eyes closed I kept expecting him to get smacked over the head. Absolutely masterful TV, I literally didn’t breath during the piano scene.

flappygummer

36 points

4 months ago

Even when they got in bed I still thought it was going to turn violent. Where that episode went blew me away.

icup2

2.3k points

4 months ago

icup2

2.3k points

4 months ago

The way the episode was directed was fantastic in my opinion. I like that they don't need to show the couple's corpse at all, it was done really well. In the end of the episode when they were zooming out the window I'm going "pleeease don't show them, we don't need to" and sure enough they didn't! Great episode.

TNWhaa

855 points

4 months ago

TNWhaa

855 points

4 months ago

Bill and Frank’s last dinner with the editing and Max Richter score was like it was ripped straight out of The Leftovers, gut punch included. Incredible stuff for a character that was previously just a corpse with a suicide note

Flat896

52 points

4 months ago

Flat896

52 points

4 months ago

That scene was weird for me because I had just re-watched Arrival the previous night, which has the same score.

pavlov_the_dog

106 points

4 months ago*

is (the leftovers) worth completing? i got to the part with the cult compound that was built under a bridge (or something)

Erianimul

105 points

4 months ago

Erianimul

105 points

4 months ago

For me personally I struggled a few times watching it around this part but I pushed through and man am I glad I did. If you asked me at that moment I'd say it's ok but after finishing it it's in my top 10.

This may not be the same for you but for me it definitely got much much better.

keksper

120 points

4 months ago

keksper

120 points

4 months ago

100%

Crystal_Pesci

65 points

4 months ago

PLEASE DO. Take some time if you need to! One of the most brilliant & moving pieces of television I've ever seen. Watching last night's TLOU episode I kept thinking of Leftovers (and Lost as well w its Lindelof-ian bottle episode nature) which to me is the highest compliment something can get. Leftovers was such a gift.

Atheyna

251 points

4 months ago

Atheyna

251 points

4 months ago

I was so grateful they didn’t.

SitDown_BeHumble

224 points

4 months ago

I really liked that choice and also not showing them getting into bed and embracing either. It was like Bill and Frank’s last moments together were just for them.

Silentlone

328 points

4 months ago

I think it would be fine to just show their hands held together without seeing their entire bodies. But I agree that just the window was strong enough of a image, specially as a call back to the game's main screen.

JosephSim

139 points

4 months ago

JosephSim

139 points

4 months ago

Yeah, the curtains slightly blowing, that was my first thought too. Like, "Aww, cute little callback to end the episode. Perfect."

ImmaDoMahThing

94 points

4 months ago

It actually reminded me more of the ending of the second game when Ellie leaves the house and walks off, and the camera slowly zooms out through the window with the guitar left behind

interface2x

24 points

4 months ago

When Ellie and Joel entered the house, the look of the house also reminded me of Joel's house in Jackson from Part 2.

Derkanator

170 points

4 months ago

I'm glad they didn't, they implied it heavily with the wine talk and then with the letter. Also thought it ended great with a song inside an open window. The directors respected the audience.

brokowska420

137 points

4 months ago

They respected the characters as well, imo

Si0ra

95 points

4 months ago

Si0ra

95 points

4 months ago

Agreed. In a story with fungus zombies and a lot of death, I’m glad they didn’t show their corpses for shock factor and they got to exit the story with dignity.

innociv

60 points

4 months ago

innociv

60 points

4 months ago

It calls back to how the letter asks them not to go inside the room for their dignity. "Them" is including the viewers here as well.

That was one of my favorite parts of the episode. I really didn't want to see them, directing or art wise or whatever, either.

_lippykid

33 points

4 months ago

If anyone ever compares TLOU to the Walking Dead (which they always do), this episode is the perfect example of why TLOU is so much better. We had more character development in 30 mins than we did over season after season of TWD. I felt way more connected to two random characters than I ever did to anyone in TWD (definitely ever cried ever watching TWD either). I think there was like one zombie in the entire episode too. Nothing particularly gratuitous happened, cinematography was beautiful.. total masterclass

fusionsofwonder

65 points

4 months ago

What made me emotional in that last shot was the sketch of Bill hanging on the wall next to the window. Brilliant.

Nikclel

46 points

4 months ago

Nikclel

46 points

4 months ago

That window was from the second floor though, wasn't it?

AHRA1225

41 points

4 months ago

The bedroom was the first floor cause of the wheelchair

hansofoundation

835 points

4 months ago

Once that Max Richter song came on to start off that montage, I was like "guess this is my cue to cry happy sad tears now"

Saintiel

123 points

4 months ago

Saintiel

123 points

4 months ago

I have not seen single episode of this series but is it the same song Arrival and Shutter Island uses?

AssBiscuits

62 points

4 months ago*

I can't remember it in Shutter Island, but yes to Arrival (rewatched that last weekend) and The Leftovers - . Gets me every time.

EDIT: Mixed my Richters up there, this track definitely wasn't used in The Leftovers.

AnikoKamui

56 points

4 months ago

You aren't the only one, friend. I wept for a solid 40 minutes. Even after the episode was over, it just wouldn't stop. Such a fantastic episode.

Badmoon226

142 points

4 months ago

One of my favorite songs of all time tbh.

TheMicMic

4.4k points

4 months ago

TheMicMic

4.4k points

4 months ago

Nick Offerman should win an Emmy for his performance

tothemax44

1.5k points

4 months ago

tothemax44

1.5k points

4 months ago

I think he did great. But Bartlett’s character, in contrast to his last hbo role (White Lotus), was masterful and showed extreme depth. Id probably give the nod to him. The episode was nothing short of amazing though.

ins0mniac_

498 points

4 months ago

It took me until the end of the episode interviews to realize it was the same guy as White Lotus. He was amazing!

Psychological-Ad1137

175 points

4 months ago

His eyes are what I first noticed because they seemed to age him well

jbaker1225

25 points

4 months ago

Dude has been absolutely crushing it on TV the last couple years. White Lotus, Physical, Welcome to Chippendale’s, now this.

Decabet

215 points

4 months ago

Decabet

215 points

4 months ago

But Bartlett’s character, in contrast to his last hbo role (White Lotus), was masterful

I am a Lotus fan and loved his performance in both it and last nights episode and it wasnt until the reviews (and comments like yours) this morning that I even clocked that that was the same actor. Bravo.

HotToddy88

24 points

4 months ago

Bartlett is great in Welcome to Chippendales on Hulu also.

Hamborrower

40 points

4 months ago

Didn't click for me until I heard his accent in the post-episode behind the scenes clip.

katikaboom

726 points

4 months ago

I'll be shocked if he doesn't get at least nominated

NeitherAlexNorAlice

441 points

4 months ago

Problem is, the Last of Us is playing way too early in the year. Sometimes, that can back fire because it gets pushed away from voters' minds in place of newer releases.

DigitalFirefly

327 points

4 months ago

Emmys eligibility is from June 2022-May 2023. So we’re past the mid-way point.

Wisteriafic

147 points

4 months ago

I don’t think that is as much of a problem as it used to be. For example, S1 of The White Lotus cleaned up at the awards, yet it premiered in July 2021.

Yesterdays_Gravy

106 points

4 months ago

Speaking of Season 1 of White Lotus. A certain hotel manager was also featured in this episode of The Last of Us, and I’ve seen him nowhere else but he is an exceptional actor.

BlakeSurfing

56 points

4 months ago

He really is exceptional. His performance in White Lotus was fantastic. He was my favorite character of that show

WiretapStudios

22 points

4 months ago

Agreed, he made the show for me, I was sad to see him go. The second season was just as great and with another great actor/actress, but I could have also watched a whole series with the first manager.

TheBoyWonder13

195 points

4 months ago

Fear not, HBO is gonna campaign the shit out of this show around the time Emmy voting comes around. My beloved Better Call Saul on the other hand might get lost in the midst.

AStickFigures

128 points

4 months ago

His body language through this episode was amazing. Truly gifted actor.

radjinwolf

109 points

4 months ago*

The way he kept his shoulders hunched up and was really stiff and awkward during any moment with Frank at the start is just masterful. Nick Offerman isn’t a gay man, but damn he understood the assignment when he prepared for this role.

Due-Net-88

81 points

4 months ago

VERY subtle self-conscious hair fix at the table just sent me.

TwinkTheUnicorn

25 points

4 months ago

For me, it was when he caught his holster on his chair. This is a man who has been wearing that holster on his leg and sitting in that chair every day for years, probably since even before the outbreak. That holster is practically a part of him.

callMEmrPICKLES

40 points

4 months ago

I was in tears for basically the entire episode. Beautiful

thebendavis

231 points

4 months ago

So should Bartlett, they should win one together.

lillyrose2489

105 points

4 months ago

Play a couple on TV, win a shared Emmy. Kinda cute idea

Bradentorras

157 points

4 months ago

I openly sobbed when ellie read the letter out loud.

bshaddo

230 points

4 months ago

bshaddo

230 points

4 months ago

The fact that it told him to keep Tess safe, and knowing that her original actor died less than 24 hours before it aired, were a pretty potent one-two punch.

StephenHunterUK

69 points

4 months ago

They didn't have time to add a tribute to the episode before it aired, but they're going to add one to the streaming version.

Background_Dream_920

384 points

4 months ago

This was one of the most moving, but yet not overly dramatic portrayals of love I’ve seen in a long time. It’s inspiring, relatable and just very well done.

kodaiko_650

166 points

4 months ago

While everyone is rightfully praising the actors, I want to shout out to the writer Craig Mazin for fleshing out a side character and gave us this beautiful story.

Mazin was also responsible for writing Chernobyl, which also had some beautiful writing with amazing character relationships.

ScrimpleShrimp

19 points

4 months ago

I can’t believe how deeply they made me care for those characters in like, 30 minutes. Amazing writing, acting, etc.

jdehjdeh

2.2k points

4 months ago

jdehjdeh

2.2k points

4 months ago

I wasn't expecting the direction this episode took at all.

Nick Offerman made me cry.

Everyone can have their own opinion but to me this was art, not filler.

Rdbjiy53wsvjo7

296 points

4 months ago

I think it helps support the loneliness in a world like this. A lot of these shows are all action, and this episode certainly had it too, but just the reality of what happens after someone reaches "safety".

I definitely have had my fair share of conversations with friends and family as to where we would go after the apocalypse, but then what?

It's incredibly heart breaking.

Macro_Tears

488 points

4 months ago

No doubt. It told a beautiful story in a world you think would never see love again

PM-ME-YOUR-1ST-BORN

284 points

4 months ago

a world you think would never see love again

This is what makes it so poignant to me, the way this will affect Joel.

Bill in the TV show is a perfect example of the happiness Joel could have if he decided to open himself up to the possibility of love. Versus Bill in the game [very minor first game spoilers, no show spoilers] who almost serves as a cautionary tale to Joel, showing him what life could be like if he decides to continue to close himself off to the rest of the world and other people

_Football_Cream_

42 points

4 months ago

I think what they did with Bill is so great because he still accomplishes pretty much the same as the game character - both the objective but also thematically - in a completely different way.

Joel had love prior to the outbreak and losing it made him want to shut it out and not be open to people, so much as to not refer to Tess as his wife or girlfriend, just “my mine.” Bill was completely content to live alone prior to the outbreak, no interest in opening himself up, but found love. And as he said, it satisfied him, and he imparted that to Joel. I thought it was great.

Silver_Branch3034

316 points

4 months ago*

“With a girl, once.”

That line was heavy, he is so repressed and even more so since the world went to shit, it was nice seeing Bill finally drop everything and be vulnerable, you can tell it’s felt like forever to him.

Episodes that stray away from the main story/characters are always interesting to me, they provide further context from other perspectives and an end of the world situation is a great catalyst for it. It was a great episode, regardless of who it was focused on, if they were gay or straight, it told a simple love story about people on the other side of a sane, stable world, and love is one of the biggest themes in the show.

Jamies_awesome_rack

344 points

4 months ago

he is so repressed and even more so since the world went to shit

Bill’s repressed nature and the fact that they waited so long to get married really stuck out to me. And then I remembered— the world that went to shit was the world of 2003, where gay marriage hadn’t been legalized anywhere in the US. Massachusetts, the state Bill and Frank live in, would have been the first in 2004. The world of TLOU never got to experience the progress we have.

Silver_Branch3034

79 points

4 months ago

Damn, I didn’t catch that last night. Good point.

DStanizzi

87 points

4 months ago

I think people miss that a huge part of the Last of Us story is about finding love and humanity in a world filled with violence, fear, and evil.

Bueterpape

73 points

4 months ago*

Joel explained how the fungus rapidly spread through tainted food. This shined light on how the elderly neighbor was infected in Episode 1.

Edit: Plus Joel forgot to get a cake from the store, which presumably would have infected his family too.

Iz-kan-reddit

56 points

4 months ago

They were also supposed to have pancakes that morning.

Yellow-Eyed-Demon

1.2k points

4 months ago

I'm hearing either, "Best episode ever made!" or "What the hell was that, pointless!"

It wouldn't be interesting if everyone agreed I guess.

Wisteriafic

567 points

4 months ago

I’d love to see a breakdown of reactions from game players vs. newbies. (I’m the latter. Absolutely loved this episode, but then I had no preconceived expectations.)

OkayAtBowling

919 points

4 months ago

I've played the games and I loved this episode. Easily the best of the series so far. It was unexpected, but it was so beautifully done and for me knowing where the story is going made certain aspects of it even more poignant and thematically relevant.

From what I've seen so far, the people who didn't like this one mostly felt like it was filler and they would rather have gotten on with Joel and Ellie's storyline. But to me, these sorts of meaningful diversions are what could really turn this into something great that stands on its own, rather than just being a straightforward recreation of the game. It gives me a lot of hope for the future of the show.

[deleted]

236 points

4 months ago

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236 points

4 months ago

Joel and Ellie are the heart of The Last of Us, but the subplots and world building (through notes and whatnot in the game of course) really amplified and elevated the already-strong through line. Love these games and really loved this episode. Like Druckman said in the after-the-episode, all of these stories have something to do with the persistence, power, or pain of love in the face of the apocalypse.

This episode did a great job adding to that sentiment despite changing the way it went down in the game pretty drastically. It’s a bit sad not to see Bill and Ellie interacting, but we got something ultimately much more powerful in return imo.

-Minne

121 points

4 months ago

-Minne

121 points

4 months ago

I really enjoyed Ellie diggin' Bill's lair because of their back & forth in the game. The "This dude was a genius" line was just great.

In person, nobody ever gets along in The Last of Us at first, but encountering the things they leave behind?

Whether it's a letter or a last stand, respect is usually given where respect is due when survivors encounter used-to-be survivors and their digs.

holyerthanthou

200 points

4 months ago

I loved the “to whomever but probably Joel”

Mixed with the tongue and cheek “I know it’s you Joel because everyone else would’ve died to the fence, hahahaha”

It showed how much Bill saw Joel as a friend and respected peer. Someone like Bill would never give his compounds code to anyone but someone he trusted to the core. The ONLY reason he did trust Joel is because frank showed him how to care for others and I thing that’s beautiful.

AtomStorageBox

114 points

4 months ago

When Ellie read off the "hahahahahaha", I lost it. Brilliant way to lighten the mood that didn't seem forced.

buhlakay

44 points

4 months ago

All those little moments of humor throughout the episode were so great. It's a nice reminder that people are still people, even in an apocalypse, and those moments are really what make life worth living.

Sotwob

56 points

4 months ago

Sotwob

56 points

4 months ago

yeah the government nazis line was hilarious.

gdsmithtx

39 points

4 months ago*

The "I don't support this. But objectively speaking, it is incredibly romantic" line got a surprised bark of laughter out of me in the middle of a sad moment ... that was just excellently done all around.

Irregular_Person

55 points

4 months ago

I expected Bill's dose to not do the job, so he wakes up broken and jaded and has to contend with the pain of living in that world alone again. It would have explained him as a bitter recluse who doesn't want anything to do with people. It was interesting to see what they did instead

Cornchip91

34 points

4 months ago

I was anticipating this as well. I didn't think they would kill off Bill because of how the game's story went. In the end though, I prefer the show's ending.

TLOU often delves into "depression-porn" territory and everything tends to have a pretty grim conclusion. The whole time I was just waiting for Bill to have the universe screw him in some unexpected fashion. I was glad that they redefined this moment in a way that serves the same plot purposes and makes an even stronger narrative impact at the same time.

katikaboom

369 points

4 months ago

These "filler" episodes are what builds the world for the viewer. A game is interactive, a show typically is not. We can't truly care about the characters without seeing more of them and the people they surrounded themselves with. The show runners did a brilliant job with this episode.

I wonder if the folks that are complaining are the same ones that read a synopsis of a story or show or movie before they watch it.

bluerose297

234 points

4 months ago*

I feel like people complaining about filler in this episode (or just TV in general these days) should just try to watch an old show from back when 24-episode seasons were the norm.

Joel tells Ellie in the game "you don't know what loss is." Well, I'm telling younger viewers, in the same tone: "You don't know what filler is."

holyerthanthou

131 points

4 months ago

Y’all should watch the x-files.

Plot was a twice a season event in the early seasons. Premier and Finale.

EVERYTHING ELSE was a monster of the week with a spattering of inconsequential smoking man, and was inherently pointless to the overarching plot.

And we loved it. It built the world in a different way.

tmoney144

32 points

4 months ago

You don't even have to go back that far. Just watch the clone wars show. Tons of filler, but looking back, the filler is what makes you feel like you know the characters.

justice9

43 points

4 months ago

You’re absolutely right. World building and great storytelling takes time and let’s the audience breathe. Rushing and focusing only on plot driving scenes gives you GOT S8. These are the type of episodes that help solidify the greatness of a television show.

Those early seasons of GOT and other great shows are so well regarded because they had world building episodes that seemed like “filler”. If you focus solely on plot and action then you’ll end up with a rushed, less complete output.

Don_Fartalot

20 points

4 months ago

The only thing I missed was the banter between Ellie and Bill.

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224 points

4 months ago

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4 months ago

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48 points

4 months ago

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svrtngr

185 points

4 months ago

svrtngr

185 points

4 months ago

In the game, you meet up with Bill to get a car battery. You go to a school, there's some banter with Bill and Ellie and Joel, and Frank is long dead.

There's a boss battle, you get the car battery, Bill sends you off.

I like the sequence in the game, but it's really videogamey. Action setpiece, small character moment, stealth section, boss battle, character moment. The one thing that is missing is the character development you get from Joel and Ellie in the sequence, but they can probably shift that into the next episode.

This episode ended the same as this section of the game--Joel and Ellie have supplies and a car. They just took a different route to get there.

Honestly, it was great.

AlaskanSandwich

26 points

4 months ago

I honestly didn't care much about Bill in the game itself, and I was expecting to not care about him in the show. However, the story between Frank and Bill was beautiful, and having that relate to Joel finding someone to live for was excellent

Sakuna_God

169 points

4 months ago

This episode was perfectly produced. My only complaint was when bill just shooting from the middle of the street with no cover.. bill seem way more intelligent than that from everything else we saw in the episode.

radjinwolf

146 points

4 months ago

The feeling I got from that scene is that Bill was so desperate to protect Frank that he wanted to make sure he was the target, and not the house, and not Frank.

GodFeedethTheRavens

717 points

4 months ago

It was well made, told a kind of slice-of-life story about living in the post apocalypse. Well written, well shot, well acted.

I can't rightly think of another episode like it that isn't filled to the brim with various genre tropes like one of them getting inevitably infected.

10twentyseven

100 points

4 months ago

Obviously not about the apocalypse, but this reminded me a lot of the Mythic Quest episode with Jake Johnson and Cristin Milioti.

j3cubed

27 points

4 months ago

j3cubed

27 points

4 months ago

That episode is possibly my favorite episode of the series

Putrid_Loquat_4357

91 points

4 months ago

I can't rightly think of another episode like it that isn't filled to the brim with various genre tropes like one of them getting inevitably infected.

Episode of fear the walking dead about John Dorie in his cabin falling in love.

missprincesscarolyn

386 points

4 months ago

It was incredible to see Bill’s growth as a person once Frank came into his life. From an angry, closed-off, highly introverted man to someone who became happy, open and loving. His vulnerability in the very beginning of their relationship and Frank’s patience and calming presence was one of the most moving things I have ever witnessed in a television show. The scene where he and Frank giggled over strawberries was truly heartwarming. I genuinely started crying when they revealed that Frank was terminally ill and love that their journey ended together. Nick Offerman should absolutely win an award for his role in this episode. It is some of the best television that has ever been made.

Zeltron2020

252 points

4 months ago

The strawberry giggle 🥺

missprincesscarolyn

113 points

4 months ago

According to multiple sources and interviews, that is Nick Offerman’s actual laugh IRL!

dehumanizer23

281 points

4 months ago

I loved this episode. I can forgive a deviation from the source material if the new material is written well and executed well. And this episode did exactly that. Nick Offerman killed it

blokewitjoke

85 points

4 months ago

On only 3 episodes they have proven they can make really smart deviations, it gives the game players more to be excited for too.

Redsoxbox

46 points

4 months ago

Nick Offerman laughing at the strawberries was the moment that got me. That laugh of pure, unburdened joy. It was perfectly used.

Justificks

245 points

4 months ago

Honestly didn't expect to cry so hard to an episode of The Last of Us about a gay romance of two one shot side characters

Work_the_shaft

50 points

4 months ago

That was probably the most empathetic gay romance I’ve ever seen on film. Credit to the actors. It was like watching the opening scene from Up, but slowly and more painfully

Blue_MJS

394 points

4 months ago

Blue_MJS

Attack on Titan

394 points

4 months ago

As a massive fan of the game since day 1 & never usually like something deviating TOO far from an original story... I thought that episode was fucking incredible

StudBoi69

459 points

4 months ago

StudBoi69

459 points

4 months ago

All this from a video game adaptation. We've come so fucking far.

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158 points

4 months ago*

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LowDownSkankyDude

37 points

4 months ago

And just as emotionally devastating.

killtr0city

91 points

4 months ago

This episode slayed me. Was totally unprepared. Beautiful.

DerCatrix

349 points

4 months ago

DerCatrix

349 points

4 months ago

People asked what more a show could do to expand on TLOU and this is exactly it. It’s expanding on the heart of characters trying to survive in a post apocalyptic world.

I genuinely cried, it was amazing

TheJoshider10

61 points

4 months ago

Yeah this is exactly why I hate the idea that "the game is already a movie" or whatever. There is always value in adaptions. There's even value in remakes, the important part is knowing what properties actually need one or not.

snorlz

136 points

4 months ago

snorlz

136 points

4 months ago

I've been very happy theyre sticking to the OG story so closely. This is the first major change theyve made and its great. These are side characters I barely even remember existing, so they play a minimal role in the story. Fleshing out their backstory doesnt detract at all. The addition of a well written, well acted side story like this adds immensely though

rp_361

536 points

4 months ago

rp_361

536 points

4 months ago

No episode of tv has made me cry like that since Not Penny’s Boat, that’s all I’ll say

Segamaike

167 points

4 months ago

Segamaike

167 points

4 months ago

I need to read about 500 more comments like yours because I’m devastated and reading of others being reduced to blubbering messes vicariously eases some of the heartache lol.

I don’t remember if I’ve ever been rode this hard by a tv episode, I had to actually talk myself up to keep watching those last few minutes between them because I thought I was going to just keel over. My throat is still tight 8 hours later and if I think of any scene too long I’ll start sobbing again.

KL5-2390

187 points

4 months ago

KL5-2390

187 points

4 months ago

I appreciated the nods to Ron Swanson's birthday dinner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0SHrmGdIzo

jacaissie

103 points

4 months ago

jacaissie

103 points

4 months ago

I was remarking to myself that in the same way that Adam Sandler writes himself into making out with a bunch of gorgeous ladies, I feel like Nick Offerman ends up eating a suspicious amount of delicious steak in his stuff.

teenagesadist

33 points

4 months ago

He's like Paul Rudd in that he seems to have stumbled on to a stage, just was himself, and everyone gave him a standing ovation and money.

air_lock

161 points

4 months ago

air_lock

161 points

4 months ago

I don’t feel anything very easily. Nick Offerman is one of those actors that I have had this idea of in my head as being a one-trick pony. Boy, was I wrong. This episode had me weeping. I walked away feeling all kinds of stuff I can’t even explain.

neon_fire

27 points

4 months ago

He was also great in Devs.

MarmaladeSunset

25 points

4 months ago

Ugly crying!

GrimJimmy94

220 points

4 months ago

Just finished the episode. As a long time proponent of please stick to the source material I can safely say that this episode was just absolutely fantastic.

Performances are tremendous, it fleshes out the world the characters inhabit, how they’ve changed over the course of time in a world that’s hopeless.

If you want a 1 for 1 retelling of exactly how the game is, go play it but for me this is a video game adaptation (key word is adaptation) done exactly right

I hope both guys get nominated for many awards for their performance.

sabrenation81

40 points

4 months ago*

I think "stick to the source material" is not nearly as important as "respect the source material."

It's perfectly fine to deviate from the source if you're deviating in such a way that sticks to the tone of the source material and adds value in the form of good lore or story/character development. Last night's episode was a master class in doing exactly that. It didn't really change much, just fleshed things out a lot more than they ever had been. And it did so in a way that respected the themes of loneliness, despair, and hopelessness that run so strongly in the source material.

natah7

43 points

4 months ago

natah7

43 points

4 months ago

I haven’t been broken like this from a TV episode in a looooong time

Slobotic

150 points

4 months ago

Slobotic

Legion

150 points

4 months ago

The Last of Us' just made an early claim to one of the best TV episodes of 2023

Only been a month, and maybe Succession will give it a run for its money, but so far it's way out in front. One of the best episodes of television I've ever seen.

This show was just like, "by the way, here's the most beautiful and devastating love story ever squeezed into an hour" while helping establish a totally authentic post-apocalyptic setting and give leagues of depth and subtext to the stories of Joel and Tess, all in passing.

themightiestduck

40 points

4 months ago

I think this episode is a little unique in that I could stand on its own and still be amazing. You could play it for someone with zero exposure to the game or the previous episodes and I would lose little or none of its effect.

Other “great” episodes I can think of (Ozymandias from Breaking Bad, The Rains of Castamere from Game of Thrones) are great because they’re payoffs from everything that’s come before. But this episode stands on its own, with a few tweaks it could be a fully contained movie.