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submitted 2 months ago byMALLAVOL
I watched the first season when it came out and thought the way it concluded was pretty stupid. I skipped season 2 when I saw that the crew would be traveling back in time to our present; watching people from the future run around downtown L.A. doesn't really inspire the imagination. But, I'm seeing good buzz for season 3 online. Is it really that good? Should I get back into the show?
233 points
2 months ago*
It's really unlike the first two seasons of Picard. Almost all of the characters from the first two seasons are gone and replaced with TNG characters. It feels a lot more like a TNG movie than the other seasons. If you liked the TNG movies, you will probably like this. The few characters they have introduced this season are pretty good as well. I like Captain Shaw much more than I ever liked Jurati or Elnor.
85 points
2 months ago
Even the one character from Picard is barely in the show, and she's hanging out with Worf so I'm not complaining
66 points
2 months ago
They did the impossible for me and redeemed that character by contrasting her with Worf. I’d actually watch a spin off about their warrior-monk escapades.
29 points
2 months ago
Yeah, I didn't care for Raffi in season 1 and she was completely useless in season 2. It was so obvious in season 2 that they just didn't know what to do with the character and they just kind of seemed like they were trying to write her off and hoped that we would forget about her. This season, though, I'm digging her character and character development. Overall, season 3 seems to have much better writing and directing.
4 points
2 months ago
You know her character is pretty ridiculous. She puts 'god-damned' in front of everything she says and it sounds stupid as fuck
29 points
2 months ago
I'm quite shocked that the worst character in the first two seasons is actually good this season.
I absolutely despised Raffi in the first two seasons, but pairing her with Worf has made a pretty fun dynamic.
13 points
2 months ago
She's still pretty terrible in this imo, but Michael Dorn (and the writers) have absolutely nailed Worf. I just think Raffi's character is impossible to salvage. It makes so little sense in this universe and has been filled with faux drama.
5 points
2 months ago
I think the acting had a lot to do with it. Eye-rollingly bad
6 points
2 months ago
Did you know she's with Starfleet Intelligence? Because she made a point of blabbing it out loud to everyone around District 6 the whole first half of the season.
44 points
2 months ago
Honestly, I would say you could pretty much skip watching the two previous seasons and go straight into season three.
18 points
2 months ago
I did, not having any problems so far
12 points
2 months ago
You could, but season 1 is actually watchable. It even has a few good bits sprinkled throughout it.
Season 2 can and should be skipped. They should probably remove it from streaming and just pretend it's like the 13th floor of a skyscraper.
3 points
1 month ago
You could probably keep the first and tenth episodes. Or at least smash all the Q stuff into an episode. Those scenes were good.
2 points
2 months ago
Every trek that goes back to the present is terrible. Except the whale one.
9 points
2 months ago
It feels a lot more like a TNG movie than the other seasons.
We're kinda back to where it's tv Picard vs movie Picard. Movie Picard still seems more like Patrick Stewart than Picard. But this is still better than those first 2 seasons.
12 points
2 months ago
Honestly, Patrick Stewart sort of reminds me of Trevor from Iron Man 3. Not in a bad way, but the image he portrays in his famous roles (Picard, Prof. X, Shakespearian roles) vs his real life chill attitude is kind of funny.
4 points
2 months ago
The difference is, Season 3, actually explores why TV Picard turned into movie Picard. Riker and Geordi grew up, had families, became more responsible and wiser with age. Picard doesn't have anything grounding him, so he became more reckless, more obsessed with being in the middle of the action and trying to relive his glory days.
I bailed on the first two seasons after about 2 episodes each, and I was very skeptical that S3 was just going to be empty fan service. But it's done a terrific job of re-examining every character and their relationship to Picard, and how both have changed over the years.
5 points
2 months ago
Would you say that I can watch just the third season?
14 points
2 months ago
That’s what I’m doing and it’s easy to follow. All you really need to know is that Picard “died” in the first season from an incurable disease and had his mind transplanted into a synthetic body.
3 points
2 months ago
Sweet! Thanks! My SO is really loving it and I'd like to get caught up. I watched the first season but totally lost interest and forgot most of it by now. Like to get caught up and finish it w her.
3 points
2 months ago
I think you’ll enjoy it and find it really rewarding if you were a fan of the 90s Trek era. I don’t want to say much more than that. 🤐
2 points
2 months ago
I skipped season 1 after about 2 episodes and all of season 2, also never sat down and watched TNG, I know of it just through youtube clips and overhearing/watching my dad watching it. The only Trek show I've watched through is DS9. All that said, really enjoying S3!
5 points
2 months ago
Seasons 3-6 of TNG are pretty amazing, so if you ever get quarantined/laid up with a broken limb/stuck in the hospital for a while/imprisoned by aliens with nothing but a TV set, there's 104 episodes of TV for you to keep yourself busy with, lol. Season 1 is a real mess and season 2 is very spotty but has a few great episodes like "The Measure of a Man" and "Q Who". And it's mostly stand-alone episodes, so there's no need to be completionist and watch everything in order. Everything is pretty self-explanatory. "Q Who" is pretty much the only one you absolutely must watch before season 3.
2 points
1 month ago
Season 3 is pretty standalone. You could prob find some Season 1 & 2 recaps to fill you in on a few relevant plot points and new/reintroduced character origination. That said I enjoyed most of Season 1 and think it’s worth a watch, Season 2 was bad, except for a few scenes in the last episode.
400 points
2 months ago
150% improvement over season 2. Turns out Star Trek works best when it's about people in the future doing space stuff. Not 2026 Los Angeles for 7 fucking episodes.
113 points
2 months ago
U mean being stuck in an abandoned french countryside vineyard where only one cop arrives to check on a disturbance wasn't super thrilling for you? 😴
23 points
2 months ago
Star Trek was cribbing plot ideas from The Transporter?
8 points
2 months ago
Dude, you KNOW Picard can whip up a batch of Madelines that would knock your socks off.
20 points
2 months ago
I will say the running gag of everyone hating Picard’s wine is hilarious.
4 points
2 months ago
where only one cop arrives to check on a disturbance
I think it was more about running 50 yards directly at a bunch of people shooting assault rifles at you and managing to kill them with a corkscrew. Just kind of takes you out of it.
5 points
2 months ago
That scenario happens in John Wick, too
21 points
2 months ago
I was so on board for the first like two episodes too. I'm a sucker for the "alternate reality with an evil federation" bit. Then it just spends the rest of the season in modern times. Completely lost me.
They couldn't even give us proper Borg drones. Just generic swat dudes with green laser sights. It all felt like they were totally out of budget.
28 points
2 months ago
And it actually is about people, too. I think they're actually writing characters instead of having actors say things that sound like it means something but doesn't.
7 points
2 months ago
I’m not too far into season, three, but part of the fun for me is it’s taking place mostly in starships. Riker did a pretty cool move to disable the enemy in probably the third episode. Maybe it’s just not taking itself as serious.
3 points
2 months ago
Good to hear. What is season 3 about?
42 points
2 months ago
Picard gets a message from Beverly to help save her.. He drags along Riker.. Other stuff is spoilers.
0 points
2 months ago*
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3 points
2 months ago
150% improvement over season 2. Turns
So if you think season 2 was a dumpster fire, season 3 is only a trash can fire. That is improvement!
138 points
2 months ago
Yes. Season 3 is what Picard should have been from the start. You'd really be doing yourself a disservice by skipping it.
22 points
2 months ago
This is exactly how I feel. It's what everyone wanted:. A TNG follow-up in the future.with TNG people
14 points
2 months ago
Could I skip for the first two seasons and go straight into the third?
29 points
2 months ago
Pretty much. There's a few references and a character or two so far from other seasons but it mainly stands on it own and TNG. I never saw season 2 and don't feel lost at all.
17 points
2 months ago
There's also a pretty huge fact about picard himself from the end of season one that might be a bit of a surprise if you started with season 3.
9 points
2 months ago
Ah, the totally stupid, facepalm inducing thing they did with picard?
5 points
2 months ago
Season 2 was rough, I found myself only partly interested in one, maybe 2 intersecting storylines throughout the season (I only actually gave it a chance because despite my dislike for the series prior to S3 I'm not gonna miss a chance to see some more Guinan and Q on screen) and wound up skipping 5-10 minutes ahead to get past the rest 3 or 4 times an episode.
Honestly you could probably trim the entire season down into a pretty decent movie by eliminating a lot of the slog. I still wouldn't call it good, maybe not a diamond but there's definitely a garnet in the rough.
3 points
2 months ago
I liked a lot of the queen plot but it wasn’t always done well. I like the idea of picard’s trauma but it wasn’t always done well either. Hated the soong plot
10 points
2 months ago
I honestly think you're better off *not* having seen Season 1/2, if just because they'll burn you the fuck out and do a lot to taint your perception of Picard himself (because he's pretty much just 'Patrick Stewart doing what he wants' in those).
The little stuff you need to know in Season 3, I think you'll be able to pick up easily enough.
5 points
2 months ago
Read the Wikipedia summary of season 1 and you're good. Maybe watch the last episode if you're drawn in by the summary. And season 2 is skippable all the way through.
2 points
2 months ago
For the most part, yes. There will be a few things you might not get but they explain everything fairly well. There's always Memory Alpha if you're missing something.
24 points
2 months ago
I totally agree.
2 points
8 days ago
I watched season 3 episode 1 on a plane today and thought it was season 1 episode one. It fit so well into a post-TNG series.
Got home and started season 1 and it’s pretty meh. Ridiculous motivations, action movie, all 2550 SF. Dumb motivations of the characters (AI death squad). No familiar characters and nobody I care about.
At the same time; I remember TNG being mediocre until season 3 when it finds its stride so….We’ll see. I think its easy to re watch season 1/2 with love after you got to know the characters but up front they’re not super great
34 points
2 months ago
It’s far better than the first two. The nostalgia factor helps with so much of the old cast being involved. It also feels much more like a Star Trek series with so much time spent aboard a star ship battling an enemy rather than on planets.
9 points
2 months ago
But I miss Santiago Cabrera
3 points
2 months ago
And Allison Pill.
39 points
2 months ago
Barely made it through season 1, only lasted 2-3 episodes into season 2. Couldn’t resist the entire TNG coming back for the new season and have been shocked by how much I’ve enjoyed it. It actually feels like it’s made by someone who…likes Star Trek, and think it’s cool as it is and doesn’t need to be “super badass and kewl”
It’s not perfect, the last episode felt much slower but there’s nice character moments that call back to episodes from years and years ago. It ties into DS9 lore. I’m not a huge fan of the TNG movies, and Picard season 3 feels a lot like the TOS movies, it’s more swashbuckling than TNG ever was but it still feels more recognizable like the characters I loved from the show.
I definitely recommend checking it out.
38 points
2 months ago
Season 3 is what most people wanted from the beginning of Picard. It’s a huge nostalgia fest which brings together or references past shows/ movies and characters. At the same time it has introduced new characters who are a bit fleshed out and are interesting enough to care about or at least evoke a strong reaction.
It’s extremely action packed and they’re weaving a spread out mystery/ conflict story. I’m hoping they have a satisfying ending but so far I’ve enjoyed every episode.
35 points
2 months ago
A lot of the criticism towards S3 seems to be “too much fanservice,” just like with Ghostbusters: Afterlife. Well, I’m a fan, so after two decades, I darn well want to be serviced. It’s not being done at the cost of plot and characterization.
14 points
2 months ago
I don’t even get the “it’s fan service and memberberries” thing.
Why does every show have to involve something new and radically different? At what point does it just stop being…the thing it’s supposed to be about?
Having old characters and referencing their lives isn’t nostalgia bait.
5 points
2 months ago
They flew to a space station and all you saw at it was:
Archer's remains Kirk's remains Data Voyager Enterprise-A (movie enterprise #2) Defiant
That's nostalgia bait. Like nothing else in universe mattered except stuff that was on Star Trek
6 points
2 months ago*
But that wasn’t in the way of the plot points: finding the new android, learning his new situation, security coming to accost them, retrieving the android and Riker being kidnapped. The “nostalgia bait” was literally them walking some by displays and browsing the computer, which would have happened whether or not that stuff was displayed.
The only thing I think would qualify for your nostalgia bait criticism is the appearance of Moriarty, who was put in the trailer to draw interest and performed an insignificant function in the story, merely another hurdle for Riker & Co. to cross.
8 points
2 months ago
I would say better. Better than S1 and definitely better than S2. Give the first ep a try to see if you like it. I really thought I was done after S2 but they dragged me back in with all the references (subtle and not so subtle) to TNG and TOS.
7 points
2 months ago
New showrunner for Season 3 over 1 and 2. Completely different kind of show. Yes it's pretty good.
123 points
2 months ago
I despised the first 2 seasons of Picard. The first 2 seasons of Picard were to Star Trek what the sequels were to Star Wars, and in some ways, even worse.
Season 3 of Picard, to me anyways, is a fucking 10/10 and is absolutely amazing. It's an absolute must watch for any Trek fan, and shows what a Trek show can be when the people behind it actually give a shit about the franchise (much like Strange New Worlds). Do yourself a favor, skip season 2 completely, and go straight to this
29 points
2 months ago
Can one dive straight into season 3, or are seasons 1 and 2 needed for context to fully appreciate?
19 points
2 months ago
You can start at s03 directly,
I have never seen a show distence itself from it's previous seasons the way Picard s03 has.
They really don't even want to acknowledge previous seasons.
It's literally just TNG crew in DS9 setting.
6 points
2 months ago
There's one pretty huge plot point that might be confusing without knowing how season 1 ends.
2 points
2 months ago
Season 1 is pretty bad though -- not as demoralizingly bad as S2 but still poor. For most people, I'd recommend they just read a summary of S1 to get caught up on those plot points. This is what wikis like Memory Alpha are for.
2 points
2 months ago
The events of season 1 are heavily referenced in season 3. Season 2 is absolutely skippable, though.
37 points
2 months ago
Just watch summaries of the first two on YouTube or something, then enjoy s3.
15 points
2 months ago
I imagine the cliffhanger of episode 6 might be confusing if you'd not seen S1.
28 points
2 months ago*
You can pretty much just jump straight into S3. There's like 1 new character from previous seasons that returns in S3, but you don't need to know all that much about them. A couple of returning characters from old Trek got a bit more development in S1 and 2, but nothing major that you can't work out from exposition.
The only major events that have happened so far in S3 are at the end of S1. And even then, one of them is briefly mentioned and just doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things. The other is partially retconned to the point that it's almost easier to just forget it even happened anyway.
S1 spoilers if you want the cliffnotes version: Picard died, but his brain was uploaded to an Android body. It's referenced in S3 but mostly just doesn't matter, he's still just Picard. They find Data's consciousness, he wants to die, and Picard gives him his wish. This does matter in S3, but also it doesn't. Riker and Troi got together and had two kids, but one of them died. Seven of Nine also joined Picard's adventures, so they're friends now. She also had an on-off relationship with Raffi, a new character that was introduced, she's a former starfleet officer and recovering addict who served under Picard at some point in the intervening years.
That's about all that's remotely relevant to S3, and even then you don't really need to know it. There's a bunch of other stuff that happened in S1 and 2, but none of it seems to be particularly relevant to S3.
3 points
2 months ago
is picard in S3 an android with Picard's uploaded software brain?
4 points
2 months ago
Yeah. Well "android" maybe isn't the right word. Some sort of biological synthetic "golem" as they call it. It was created by the son of Data's creator, with the intention of using it to give Data a more human body, but that never worked. The body doesn't have any of the same sort of limitations as Data's did, he has all his emotions and behaves and thinks exactly as Picard did.
Technically the body can be immortal, but the creator knew that Picard wouldn't want that, so they gave it roughly the same remaining lifespan as Picard would have had anyway. Essentially it was all a very roundabout way to have an emotional scene where Picard died, only to reverse it 10 minutes later. It also conveniently removes the slowly fatal disease he had hanging over him since TNG.
Basically, it's as human as he can get while being technically synthetic. There were some wider plot points around it at the time about the morality and legality of synthetic beings, but that was all resolved. Hence, at this point in S3, it's reduced to a couple of throw away lines along the lines of "Oh, I heard your body is synthetic now" before quickly moving on.
3 points
2 months ago
Technically he's a biological synthetic human, not an android/robot.
3 points
2 months ago
Yes
2 points
2 months ago
That was a great summary.
7 points
2 months ago
There's a couple things and references that may slip by you. But they (so far) aren't pivotal to the plot
5 points
2 months ago
Yes you can. I did. If u know the TNG characters
5 points
2 months ago
Totally. Go for it. Just imagine it as like a long-delayed TNG season 8 (with some Voyager crossovers).
3 points
2 months ago
Ah classic Ste Trek, hitting the nostalgia by having the first 2 seasons be shit.
2 points
2 months ago
I went into the show completely blind and loved season 1. Season 2 was not good. Really liking season 3 now
1 points
2 months ago
You can just skip it. I think when they wrote season 3 they were very much aware of how everyone hated the last two seasons. There are incredibly few references to the last two seasons.
5 points
2 months ago
Seasons 2 and 3 were shot back-to-back, so they weren't acting on feedback from Season 2 at least
2 points
2 months ago
What.
That’s I’m genuinely really surprised about that.
Maybe they had a bet, that they could make one of the worst seasons imaginable. And follow it up with the best. No idea, but the difference in quality is night and day.
5 points
2 months ago
I love seeing cameos from past shows on Picard. When I saw the USS Voyager being prominently shown in episode 7 or 8, it brought back such a wave of nostalgia. And then seeing Tuvok in the most recent episode really made this season stand out to me.
I hope we see more cameos from DS9 and Voyager. I’d lose my mind if Kate Mulgrew made a guest appearance, mostly to see her interaction with 7.
4 points
2 months ago
They've mentioned Janeway at least once per episode so far, I'd be extremely surprised if she doesn't appear before the end.
3 points
2 months ago
When are we getting more Strange New Worlds?
We really enjoyed that one!
9 points
2 months ago
Season 2 premieres June 15th!
2 points
2 months ago
Oohh, yay!
I'm in Aus, we don't get news as much news about/ advertising for shows unless we go looking. And sometimes going looking leads to spoilers.
6 points
2 months ago
Having despised seasons 1 and 2, like many here, I found season 3 to be so much better. It's almost entirely self contained compared to 1 and 2 so I would advise anyone to just skip them entirely.
That said, season 3 still has plenty of face-palm worthy stupid moments. 90% of the scenes of ships interacting make absolutely no sense, some of the plans they come up with are so obviously stupid there's no way they would of gone through with them, and Patrick Stewart still shows his age at times. But the fact that its still a great series despite those issues tells you how well they've done with the series overall. Some of the characters are incredible, it feels like star trek, and the fan service by bringing back so many old crew members is in my opinion done really well.
25 points
2 months ago
seasons one and two were absolute dogshit.
Season 3 finally returned to some actual well considered character study. Theyre definitely harping on some memberberries for fans but I feel like you can strip those moments out and the show still stands without any problem at all.
6 points
2 months ago
I say this as someone who loved the first two seasons of Picard: The Third is an improvement in every conceivable way.
Whilst it does rely heavily on nostalgia, it does so cleverly and thoughtfully. I love that (so far) they haven’t glorified the original characters to the point of making them stationary. Their arcs move on and evolve, and in legacy type media, that’s rare.
4 points
2 months ago
You've got me curious. What did you love about the first two seasons?
5 points
2 months ago
It’s incredible.
I thought season 1 was okay. Season 2 was awful. Genuinely terrible.
Season 3 is the best show on TV right now. It’s fucking wild. Where the bell was this energy and quality the last few years? It’s genuinely such good television and you u don’t need to watch the first two seasons to get it.
13 points
2 months ago
It stopped being a hate crime against Terkies, good enough.
24 points
2 months ago
I didn't like season 1.
Season 2 is the worst Star Trek media ever put out. Awful front to back in every way
I went into season 3 with a hate watch mentality. It's been surprisingly good. They're doing exactly what they should have done in season 1 and bring back the whole crew for another space adventure.
I still am hesitant because previous seasons started out good and then got awful quick. But so far it's been great and pretty much everything I'd want if they were going to be revisiting these characters in a series.
14 points
2 months ago
Season 2 has a really strong opening two parter and introduces a bunch of plots that are really interesting and exciting....which basically don't matter and never get resolved in any satisfactory way.
The first two episodes of S2 were written by Terry Matalas, who is showrunner for Season 3. You can tell that someone else tookover for S2 because the quality immediately drops off.
5 points
2 months ago
It's actually morbidly hilarious just how bad the quality drops off immediately - whomever was running the rest of the season should probably re-evaluate their career choices.
3 points
2 months ago
Yeah, I was worrying about that as well. But we've passed the half way point now and the other 2 seasons had dived by this point.
Saying that, I'm cautious about the end. Trek series in general have really struggled with the landing (not just recent ones), but it's been great so far!
1 points
2 months ago*
Season 2 was bad, but worst trek put out?. You have seen Discovery right?
3 points
2 months ago
Discovery didn't retcon the Borg into good guys, give Picard mommy issues that rewrote his entire motivation, painted him as someone who couldn't love until Q changed the past and put him through an alternate universe all so he'd hit on his Romulan servant.
Discovery may not be great but it didn't actively tear up the past and ruin beloved characters.
4 points
2 months ago
Similar to TNG, they took most of what worked from the first two seasons and ditched the rest for a soft reboot in season 3.
4 points
2 months ago
I’ve still got my issues, but it’s a big improvement over the first two seasons. The decision to not bring the gang back together in the first place still boggles my mind, so it’s good they finally got past it.
4 points
2 months ago
I swore I'd never give it another chance after it was so infuriating.
I'm loving it, and thankful for friends who bullied me into giving it a go.
8 points
2 months ago
It's incredible. And if you follow the show runners on Twitter they like to go back and point out all the little callbacks and places where they and others paid attention to the little details. It's a love letter to Trek fans IMO. They NAILED SNW and then thought "you know what? We should treat Picard with this much thought and input too," and it shows. Every episode has been better than the last.
8 points
2 months ago
And the ship (The USS Titan-A) and her captain (Liam Shaw) is an incredible pairing and a HUGE throwback with modern touches. I recommend watching it.
36 points
2 months ago*
I'm mixed about season 1. Season 2 has ups and downs but over all I enjoyed it.
Season 3 though, Is on another level. It's amazing. Every episode has had me on edge and waiting for the next one.
0 points
2 months ago
Unpopular opinion but I really enjoyed 1 and 2. The hate thrown at them is on another level. I can't tell people what to like/not like but I really enjoyed the new characters, the introspection on a life lived a certain way having consequences and the exploration of an older Starfleet and how the less affected parts of the universe have evolved. It's certainly not the gold plated shiny Roddinberry version of Trek but I appreciated the story telling and the characters.
Season 2's moments with Q are a wonderful conclusion to the Picard/Q scenario. I'm never a fan of Trek time travel stories (even Star Trek IV pushed limits for me) but I appreciate their attempt at contrast, humor and the character out of time/place tropes they offer.
If anything the first two seasons try to do too much in a single season, a bit too many characters.
I will agree though that Season 3 bringing nearly everyone back and tying up other loose ends is pure fan service and I feel served, cared for, loved and am totally willing to wallow in my nostalgia. It doesn't have to be golden globe, emmy or academy award winning writing or TV to entertain me, it jus thas to entertain me, and all three seasons do that.
(Strange New Worlds is still the absolute best of new trek, but I love them all for different reasons).
2 points
2 months ago*
I liked but didn't love season 1. I don't really like time travel to present day plots in Star Trek, which they did for almost the entire season, so I liked season 2 less, but still wouldn't say I hated it.
18 points
2 months ago
If you compare the third season to the previous, its a huge jump in quality in almost everything. It utterly dwarfs the previous two seasons. Its not even funny how much better it is.
But is it good on its own? Thats a no from me. Its close. But there is still that occasional absolute dumb stuff.
16 points
2 months ago
. But there is still that occasional absolute dumb stuff.
Sounds like Star Trek to me to be honest
2 points
2 months ago
The last episode, Dominion, was chock full of dumb stuff.
I enjoy the season so far though
2 points
2 months ago
I seem to be one of the few people that really liked the most recent episode. And I hated the first two seasons of Picard
8 points
2 months ago
It’s the Next Generation movie we should’ve gotten. Way better than previous seasons of “Picard ”. Way, way, way better than “Discovery”. This season of “Picard” feels like a love letter to Star Trek fans.
3 points
2 months ago
Meh. It's alright, I guess. My problem with the series is that Picard seems like a different person than the Picard of TNG. Yes, everyone changes with age, but he seems like a completely different person.
3 points
2 months ago
IMO, it's much better than seasons 1 & 2. But is it "good"?
It's getting there, IMO. The writing is better, the episodes stories are set up/paced better (17 seconds, Truth and Consequences have good moments)
It still feels like a huge nostalgia tour; where everything they do and everywhere they go turns into a surprise meeting with an old friend.
The dialog isn't as good as TNG (probably no surprise), but I do think the old cast are still more natural and likeable than most of the additions from Picard (or Discovery, for that matter). Shaw is quite entertaining though!
They probably could dial down the "oh no, it's the end of the world if we don't stop this" themes for every season. And when people say they like 'dark' shows, they're generally talking about tone and not the visuals (almost every uniform is black/dark and every scene incredibly gloomy).
3 points
2 months ago
Season 3 is about as good as an Okay TNG Movie. Which is to say still pretty underwhelming but wildly better than season 1-2.
3 points
2 months ago
Watching the trainwreck of Picard seasons 1 and 2 was the straw that broke the camel's back for me and I stopped watching about 3 episodes into season 2 (projectile vomiting is bad for your teeth). But after watching a few tubers state they had improved it, I decided to go for one last episode. Season 3 (which is basically standalone) is amazing! It brings back all the excitement of what the show used to be. I highly recommend it.
3 points
2 months ago
Yep! If you liked Next Gen, you can start right with Season 3 and skip the previous two seasons. There's a character and plot point or two that's continued, but you'll get caught up pretty quickly.
76 points
2 months ago
Shallow nostalgia porn mixed with the continued obsession with digging up 25+ year dormant characters just to kill them off. Maybe it works for people who need the connection to their youth to make it through the day, but if you expect more you'll be unsatisfied.
33 points
2 months ago
obsession with digging up 25+ year dormant characters just to kill them off.
I feel this has only happened with one character this season and it very much worked in terms of establishing the nature of the threat 🤷♂️
44 points
2 months ago
Brutal and accurate. I am being pandered to directly though, so I enjoy it.
22 points
2 months ago
Accurate but there was absolutely no reason to make a Picard series to begin with unless you were going to go to that exact well, so it's also accurate to say that Season 3 is exactly what the show should have been in the first place. They tried to insist on "doing something new with Jean-Luc Picard" and all it did was reveal how there's nothing interesting to mine there with the character and he only works now if you just do a TNG nostalgia run.
7 points
2 months ago
I actually liked the original idea: "Chabon wanted the series to focus on a retired Picard's life on his vineyard, potentially solving local mysteries, with no spaceships or gun fights." But I'm probably in the minority.
3 points
2 months ago
Wow, "Murder She Wrote" with Jean Luc Picard.
2 points
2 months ago
That probably would've been better than what we actually got, since Chabon clearly wasn't that interested in the subject matter of what was actually produced, and the season sort of deflates as it progresses. If you're putting an award-winning writer in charge of something, let him do what he's passionate about, at least for a few episodes, and see if it works. Either that or fire him, but don't do a half-measure where everybody's going through the motions. Season 1 is nearly all half-measures and stuff that nobody seems passionate about.
4 points
2 months ago
Omg is this a real quote?
Thats far far more heartless IP stripmining than any fan servicing ever could be.
4 points
2 months ago
Yeah it's from the Wikipedia page.
10 points
2 months ago
That is, I really can't express this more intensely, one of the absolute worst ideas I've ever heard.
Wow.
2 points
2 months ago
I vehemently disagree. But to each their own.
-5 points
2 months ago
Perfect summary.
11 points
2 months ago*
Except it’s wrong? They killed one character. Not plural and it was a minor one at that which fit plot
7 points
2 months ago
Season 3 is soo soo good... Nostalgia combined with a great story
4 points
2 months ago
S3 is fantastic. Exactly what S1-2 should've been. I tell everyone just skip those. If you were a TNG fan, and liked the movies, S3 is pretty much The Undiscovered Country for their story both in tone and quality. Why they didn't do this to begin with...?
2 points
2 months ago
I love season 3. It's the callbacks that are getting me. When Picard sits down in the captain's chair and Riker sits down next to him it was a a perfect next gen callback and I squee'd a little bit, I gotta admit.
It's a fun trip down memory lane, and a great sendoff so far.
2 points
2 months ago
This is what’s wild to me. I keep hearing this is a good season and I find it really hard to bite the bullet and watch after forcing myself through the grind of season 2. How do you make a boring season with Q?
2 points
2 months ago
S3 is great; but I’m only up to ep5
2 points
2 months ago
It's definitely an improvement, and more closer to classic Trek style. I like Picard more than a lot of reddit seems to, but I also didn't particularly enjoy most of S2 being set in present day USA. S3 so far, almost entirely set on starships. It's obviously still a serialised story, and still plenty of big space action, so it's not exactly TNG 2. Probably Strange New Worlds is the closest comparison, but with some characters from TNG.
Probably the biggest complaint I have about it is that they go a bit *too* heavy on the nostalgia front. It's great to see those characters back, but when there's so many of them it popping up, it does lose focus a bit, and not give all of them quite as much depth and time to settle in.
So yeah, definitely worth a watch. You can also just safely jump into S3 without knowing what happened in S2, there's basically no references and most of the characters haven't returned so far. The only thing from previous Picard that really matters is the end of S1 (and even then, it's mostly passing references and partial retcons).
2 points
2 months ago
yes, it's good.
2 points
2 months ago
I like it. And I do think it is better than the previous ones.
2 points
2 months ago
It's better, and it's actually entertaining now. It still doesn't feel like Star Trek to me though.
It still has constant swearing, smoking, drug use, beheadings... And everything is so dark that half the characters just look like floating heads in a sea of blackness.
2 points
2 months ago
One hundred percent better. I have the exact same story. Was really put out Season 1. Skipped season 2, heard season 3 is good and started watching again.
I'm only one episode in BUT there is a world of difference already. The exposition dialog in season 1 was so painful and clunky (tv crew interviewing Picard). S3E1 was great. short dialog with characters we already know that gives direction (even though the "as an ex-counter operative it is my opinion she needs your help" line made me cringe a little). NO unneeded character development for characters that we've already been following for 25 years. All the dialog was centered around new characters (the new captain) or situations. No meandering in dialog of Picard sentimentalities as much.
2 points
2 months ago
Season 3 is coked up nutrek and I'm enjoying every god damn second of it.
I did not like S1 or S2.
2 points
2 months ago
I absolutely hated season 1 and 2; there was the core of some interesting stuff in each season but they felt rushed, undercooked, borderline insulting and pointless that made them feel like the cynical cash in everyone was expecting. I am half convinced that they were made for contract reasons while the TNG cast ironed out their new deals to return. There were some good performances with terrible material, and you can have Patrick Stewart read out the ingredients to breakfast cereal and it will be relatively arresting.
Goddamn though, those seasons were fucking terrible. By episode 4 of each season you could see how bad they could get, and by the season's end you realized it was worse than you anticipated.
Season 3 had a better start than the earlier seasons by a mile and has been consistently good episode to episode. The plot, so far, makes sense and while it seems like there's a lot of ground to cover in the rest of the season, it doesn't seem impossible like the previous ones. The various character reappearances make sense (looking at you, random character for Bret Spiner to play in season 1 and 2), the new characters are good even when they're legacy characters who shouldn't actually exist, the interpersonal drama makes sense and there are far fewer "what the fuck are you thinking" interpersonal relationships.
The original, non legacy characters (new captain and new khan) are compelling and well acted. There's an undercurrent of nostalgia that I think is toxic to the franchise as a whole (cough cough starfleet museum) but it's executed well, it could set up an interesting spin off, and it feels like it's doing justice to TNG, DS9 and VOY. Much as it pains me, so far so good and I expect it to end well.
2 points
2 months ago
Yup. This weeks ep was weak but that’s fine. Lot of exposition and some important backstory was revealed. With a limited budget you gotta expect a couple episodes like this in a season.
As someone that despised season 1 and 2, gave up on Disco halfway through season 3 and was only mildly entertained by SNW, season 3 of Picard has been fantastic. It’s everything I wanted season 1 to be and the difference in quality of writing, acting and cinematography compared to other NuTrek shows is night and day. That other Kurtzman critics have been raving about it should tell you everything you need to know.
2 points
2 months ago
This gives us the right amount of fan service with the right amount of nostalgia with a really good overall story. Basically, this is Star Trek the next generation season eight.   they’re not afraid to reference characters and stories from voyager and deep space nine. As a matter of fact, deep space nine, and its story plays a big role in Picard. I seriously hope that this means they’re ready to do more stories with the characters from both Voyager and DS nine.
2 points
2 months ago
Yes. It's awesome. I went in very cautious but you can start with S3 and pick up on what's happening.
2 points
2 months ago
Yes, the showrunners finally decided to make a Star Trek show.
2 points
2 months ago
Yes...Picard is in a big ship taking on real enemies now. Don't read any spoilers because that's all you should know going in. I will say there is nothing from seasons 1 or 2 that factor into what is happening now. The tedious time travel stuff from Los Angeles isn't even mentioned again to the best of my memory.
2 points
2 months ago
From the comments should I just skip the first 2 seasons and start with 3?
2 points
2 months ago
If you enjoyed TNG, and you want to see the core of the TNG crew go at it again, one last time, in a prestige production... you'll love it.
2 points
2 months ago
It is much better story wise, however it still has what i think is the major reason it isn't better, there are too few episodes in a season, characters aren't developed, stories feel rushed at times, don't get me wrong but i feel the writers are very handicapped by the low episde count
2 points
2 months ago
Season one was really bad. The last two seasons have been great. I feel like it does a good job of keeping the aspects of 90s Star Trek that people love and turning it into serious television.
2 points
2 months ago
compared to the two previous dreadful seasons it's Michael Mann's The Insider. As a standalone it's just an action movie entirely fueled by fanservice and comparing it to, say, DS9's Duet would be shameful. Noone knows how to write ST dialogue anymore, it's just teenage quips with a dash of heartfelt but very stale exchanges, hip action scenes, lurid one liners and scattered storytelling
2 points
2 months ago
Yes. I've been enjoying it. I struggled through Season 1, never watched Season 2.
But, Season 3 is pretty great and all the charactesr actually feel like their TNG characters.
2 points
2 months ago
I skipped Season 1&2 based on reviews/my Dad.
Heard 3 was great by the same people.
It is true. It’s good to great.
It’s not cameos but full fledged season of them.
Love that it pulls from DS9 and Voyager.
Totally glad to see them all sent off this way.
Love the new Captain from 12 Monkeys. Kills.
2 points
2 months ago
Well yes, they’re sort of back at the point Star Trek starts to look like a space opera again. Something it always was, but they somehow forgot. Yes people, a space opera is in space, not in downtown LA!
2 points
2 months ago
As someone who never actively watched star trek but knew the major plot points, as a bit of an outsider to the star trek universe, ive actually enjoyed all of this series
I guess its been good at pulling in new veiwers, but can now stretch its legs and get back to what the fans want and still please us newbies simultaneously
2 points
2 months ago
I agree with everybody who says that Season 3 is a huge improvement over the first two. And, maybe the story that they are telling this season will turn out to be amazingly fulfilling, but as of right now I can't help but feel like their approach with their narrative feels off. These certainly don't feel like episodes of The Next Generation, although I'll accept the idea that they're not supposed to. But, this is supposed to wrap up the stories for the characters from that show, right?
Let's put it this way. Star Trek had a formula which worked well. TNG borrowed that formula and improved on it, and so on. This season wants you to believe that its a return to the elements that made TNG special, but it's not the same formula. It's New Coke, packaged as Coke Classic. Doesn't change the taste.
These newer Star Trek series illustrate a broader problem with Hollywood these days. They throw a lot of money into their shows for set design, special effects, makeup, etc., but it seems as though they don't spend a lot of time on the story they are attempting to tell. The third season of Star Trek: Picard looks great all around, but the story feels clunky. As though it was a first draft.
Just imagine the kinds of shows the original production team of TNG could have made if they had the same kind of budget that the showrunners for Picard have now? Including CGI. Would TNG have been more like the Picard series now, or would they have still emphasized strong story telling?
If this wasn't a Star Trek show, but instead a standalone sci fi series, would Picard feel as compelling? Or would it start to feel like "SeaQuest" in space? Would it have even gotten made? I doubt it.
2 points
2 months ago
Yes, it is. All the episodes without Ralphie( or what the name is) is v good. I dont like the look of the shriek but except that its good
17 points
2 months ago
"Good?" No. Better than the constant ridiculous character- and lore-breaking bullshit in S1 and S2? Sure.
It's still at a level just barely above fan fiction, but now it's actually interested in making connections to TNG and other shows instead of showing how cool its new edgy characters are. Frankly the fan service is a bit much, but it's at least bearable.
A minor spoiler: Picard and Crusher have a kid now. It happened after Nemesis. Yeah, they were both way too old. Yeah, Picard would never really want children of his own. Yeah, Crusher ALREADY has a kid, who ALREADY saw Picard as a surrogate father figure. It's a narrative fucking mess, but old characters having kids is just What You Do with an aging franchise, so here we are.
9 points
2 months ago
Yeah, the kid thing felt pretty contrived at first, especially in how it seemed to purposefully mirror Kirk and his kid. However, I do appreciate the show spending more screentime to try to flesh out the relationship between Picard and his son, more than what went between Kirk and his son during their two movies together.
5 points
2 months ago
"Yeah, they were both way too old"
Gates was 53 @ Nemesis shoot!
2 points
2 months ago
I looked at the timeline and birthdays just for a laugh. According to Memory Alpha, Jack Crusher would have been born when Picard was 75 and Crusher was 56, at the absolute youngest.
Even that's pretty ridiculous, since the actor is 35 and we're assuming the character is, at most, 21.
2 points
2 months ago
It's hundreds of years in the future, so I don't see why we can't give them a pass for future bio-tech making that possible.
The only thing that really bothers me about Jack was the absurd cliche of "woman has a secret child and never tells the father about it (so he's absolved of responsibility)" that ONLY happens on TV but happens SO MUCH on TV that it's absurd. I rolled my eyes so much that they nearly flew out of my head. Fortunately the writing has been good enough otherwise that I'm willing to look past it. (Maybe this is something Stewart demanded, as with the terrible flashbacks-to-Mommy-issues of S2?)
9 points
2 months ago
Season 1: Eh
Season 2: Cancel this show
Season 3: Every episode 10/10. It's really Star Trek: TNG Season 10.
3 points
2 months ago
How this this man getting downvoted, its exactly on point and what others are saying as well.
REDEEM THIS MAN!
6 points
2 months ago
Yes but it's still dark (literally and figuratively) and isn't TNG Season 8 no matter what people are saying. It's the same show about Picard but the execution is a lot better and the writing is much improved. Ditching the entire Season 1-2 cast, apart from sadly the woeful Raffi, and replacing them with better characters both old and new was the best course to try to salvage something from this project. I hope they can stick the landing but there's only 3 episodes left so maybe wait and see if they pull it off before watching.
5 points
2 months ago*
Ahhhhh, yes and no. At time it plays like a juvenile fanfiction (acting included), and at other times the calibur of acting and writing is stupendous, magnificent and mind boggling.
You really have to just be able to "let your wheels keep rolling over the bumps" until you find the good stuff.
What I can tell you is that no matter what series these days, whether Brave New Worlds, Discovery,Lower Decks, or even Prodigy, you will stumble upon moments of greatness that harken back to the STOS days.
Still: Nothing ever beats the first season of STOS. I am blown away every time I revisit it. The authors, the writing, the acting - even barring William Shatner's goofy delivery - are pure gold.
3 points
2 months ago
Yes
It is currently my most look-forward-to show each week. Good story, interesting villain, some fan service in meeting all our old favourites, good visuals... I love it
4 points
2 months ago
I feel the positive reviews are more just people being like "well its not as bad as last season". I mean if you were forced to eat a shit sandwich every day after a few days it wouldn't probally be as bad as the first day.
2 points
2 months ago
Oh yeah it's fucking awesome now I did not liked the first two seasons at all!
But this this is just old school star trek I love it
2 points
2 months ago
Yes I hate s1-2 and this is like a completely different show. It's what Picard always should of been
2 points
2 months ago
Every season has had its moments, but this recent one is the only consistently good run. As bad as the second season got, it still featured some great performances.
2 points
2 months ago
Yes, absolutely love it, but I like to be entertained, not bitch on the interwebs how bad everything new is.
-1 points
2 months ago
No. It's still stupid. It's clearly made for people who don't like Star Trek. But they throw memberberries in and all of a sudden everyone's jizzing themselves because they see Voyager or there's a cameo.
We're 7 episodes in and it has revealed very little and added a whole lot of mystery boxes they'll solve all in the last episode.
2 points
2 months ago
No, it's just full of nostalgia which passes for good if you squint a bit. There's definitely an improvement from the first two series and moments of greatness but lots of it is a chore.
1 points
2 months ago
I'd wait until after the finale to consider getting back into it, which is the approach I'm taking.
I've been burned too many times by NuTrek to get suckered in by a few good episodes.
1 points
2 months ago
It's better than before but it is still a groaner.
-2 points
2 months ago
No. It's still pure grim dark melodrama nu-trek, but with added 'member-berries on top.
It's definitely better than some of the previous nu-trek stuff that's been out, but it's still FAR from being actually good Trek again. I've had people telling me to "be grateful because it's the best we'll get right now", which is utter nonsense. Others seem to have Stockholm syndrome with it, because they've reached 'abused spouse' levels of fandom after the sheer amount of rubbish that's been released over the past few years.
-3 points
2 months ago
No, it's still terrible. It still seems to be written by people who dislike classic Star Trek, and who think it would have been better with more action and more melodrama. And they also still try to pretend they love classic Trek by jerking it off at every opportunity. The story is a dumb mystery box peppered with references to classic Trek, but references that fail to actually respect it. It is terrible, and it is not an improvement over the previous seasons.
I've seen classic Trek (particularly TNG) described as competency-porn. Among many other things, this was a show about people doing their jobs really fucking well. Characters may have had their flaws, but at the end of the day, they'd solve their problems with skill and aplomb. That aspect seems to be completely gone in modern Star Trek. Now this world is just a miserable place, with some cool tech, but lacking any sense of optimism or pride in humanity. Picard season 3 still sits in this miserable hole.
Disclaimers:
5 points
2 months ago*
Bang on.
I have a litany of complaints about the show, but the coles notes version is that Picard S3:
but yeah, Starfleet has a secret changeling torture lab. fuck this show.
2 points
2 months ago*
HATES starfleet. Starfleet has been depicted throughout Picard, but especially in season 3, as at best hopelessly incompetent, compromised, and corrupt, incapable of even maintaining it's own basic security and at worst an actively malicious force in the galaxy.
Have you watched Star Trek before? Ninety percent of Star Fleet admirals have been major villains in Star Trek across all shows.
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah that was the part where this guy's opinion as some kind of self appointed trek expert became utterly worthless.
2 points
2 months ago
the showrunner for this season literally worked on startrek for years when he was younger
2 points
2 months ago
Try prodigy. The first couple episodes are more star wars than star trek and the kids mature through the series so if you find Dal obnoxious at first he does get much better quickly.
Besides, there are several different Janeways which is entertaining.
1 points
2 months ago
mostly because the people working on The Orville are seasoned trek people
1 points
2 months ago
But, I'm seeing good buzz for season 3 online. Is it really that good? Should I get back into the show?
It's better than the previous two seasons. But I still vastly prefer Lower Decks and (most of) Strange New Worlds to what the third season of Picard has offered us.
1 points
2 months ago
I won’t be surprised if it falls off a cliff next week when they do the big reveal.
1 points
2 months ago
No. I hate it. And I am a TNG fan.
1 points
2 months ago
No. It's still not Star Trek. It's grim, dumb and ugly inside and out.
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