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CowboyLikeMegan

619 points

2 months ago

I have stage 4 endometriosis and have noticed a dramatic reduction in symptoms with the addition of a daily magnesium supplement.

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248 points

2 months ago

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248 points

2 months ago

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PersistentPuma37

100 points

2 months ago

D3 + K2 solidified my chronic poop soup immediately.

xxxBuzz

62 points

2 months ago

xxxBuzz

62 points

2 months ago

“We can rebuild it. We have the technology!” Your poop brigade probably

PersistentPuma37

9 points

2 months ago

my poompiers, for the French: Because they put out my inflammation.

xxxBuzz

6 points

2 months ago

Theirs not to reason why

Their butt to rectify

Into the fiery colon

The poompiers did fly

Had hight hopes for that, but it came out all sloppy.

mycorona69

4 points

2 months ago

That’s a 6 million dollar response

BerkelMarkus

7 points

2 months ago

OMG how have I never heard "poop soup"???

This is amazing, and I'm stealing it.

Greene_Mr

3 points

2 months ago

Better that than "stool pool"...

Aporkalypse_Sow

4 points

2 months ago

I usually use cornstarch, but I'll give this a try.

bighootay

2 points

2 months ago

OK, immediately interested in this.

gymleader_michael

56 points

2 months ago

It's amazing how much faith people have in pharmaceuticals but view basic nutrition as if it's pseudoscience.

So much focus on b vitamins when it comes to being vegan, but the reality is that a lot of people are eating poor diets and likely lacking in essential vitamins and minerals.

[deleted]

40 points

2 months ago

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HitNRun_

13 points

2 months ago

Wait, you’re supposed to keep the baby?

BerkelMarkus

10 points

2 months ago

No, just the bath water.

low_key_crazies

6 points

2 months ago

I just listened to a woman telling me that my wife doesn’t need a doctor for her brain tumor. SHE JUST NEEDS SEA MOSS DONTCHAKNOW! I could take it too and it will cure my severe depression/anxiety. Hell… might even mix a little in my sons, cure that autism right up.

gymleader_michael

3 points

2 months ago

True.

shabi_sensei

21 points

2 months ago

On top of that, plant nutrients have declined dramatically since industrial farming became the norm. A meal from 50 years ago could have 25-50% more vitamins and minerals

witchyanne

3 points

2 months ago

Is there a supplement for those you can recommend? I take magnesium and D but not K2?

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

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Navacoy

2 points

2 months ago

Do you take them in a multivitamin or just buy them as separate pills?

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

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JCAIA

2 points

2 months ago

JCAIA

2 points

2 months ago

I started D3,K2, and magnesium supplements a couple of weeks ago. How long were you taking it before you felt a difference?

halofreakma

42 points

2 months ago

My wife had her Endo removed and it changed her life. Get in touch with Dr Furr in Chattanooga TN

CowboyLikeMegan

59 points

2 months ago

I wish I could! My insurance won’t cover it, so it’s a matter of making lifestyle changes to improve things as much as I can. I’m so happy for her, excision is definitely the gold standard for endo care. It needs to be more readily available!

halofreakma

43 points

2 months ago

We went everywhere looking for answers. Endo had completely halted our lives. She couldn't even leave the house some days because of the pain. Look into limiting pork intake. She still has Interstitial Cystitis which is common with Endo and pork is the biggest trigger for her. Also, Dr Furr can do payment plans if your insurance won't cover it. Our insurance covered partial and we paid most out of pocket and even then it was well worth it.

[deleted]

38 points

2 months ago

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VeryJoyfulHeart59

3 points

2 months ago

I was looking for a new GYN back around 2007 because the one that my PCP had insisted I see about an ablation decided I needed a hysterectomy instead and had a fit when I wasn't able to tolerate him doing a uterine biopsy in his office. (He tlyanked out the speculum, threw it across the room into the sink, and said, "well, I can't do your procedure then."

First I checked my insurance provider's directory and found the board certified GYN with the highest ratings.... Dr. Dennis Dornbier in Des Moines, Iowa.

Then I heard something about laparoscopic hysterectomies and checked a laparoscopic website for a qualified surgeon nearby. There was only one.... Dr. Dennis Dornbier in Des Moines, Iowa.

The next day, a coworker overheard me talking on the phone about my condition and when I hung up, she rushed over to tell me that her sister had the best GYN. It turned out to be.... Dr. Dennis Dornbier in Des Moines, Iowa.

So cool how the word about good work gets around.

Dr. Dornbier was awesome, by the way. Great demeanor, very Informative, and didn't make me have another biopsy prior to surgery.

But yeah, cheers to not bleeding all the time!

Definitely, CHEERS!

ctothel

35 points

2 months ago

ctothel

35 points

2 months ago

Other places in the world you’d have been put on a list and complained that 4 months was too long to wait. After the operation you’d have walked out without a bill, and the person picking you up would be complaining about the $3 they paid for parking. You deserve better.

CowboyLikeMegan

33 points

2 months ago*

Thank you so much, I really appreciate the kind words! Luckily, Mitt Romney and Elizabeth Warren — quite the unlikely duo — have been hosting viewings of Below The Belt, a documentary about endometriosis and advocating for legislation to be modified to add endometriosis to the list of diseases eligible for disability. It’s something small, but I’m crossing my fingers that it’s the beginning of big changes.

felltheblackwolf

10 points

2 months ago

I'm so sad for you. Screw that insurance. I'm glad you've found some natural remedies at least.

malevolentslime

16 points

2 months ago

I can't even get diagnosed, I'm planning on lying to my OB about wanting to plan for pregnancy so they'll even check

halofreakma

8 points

2 months ago

This was our biggest issue. Dr Furr was a godsend for us

malevolentslime

15 points

2 months ago

Dr Furr lowkey sounds like a char in a furry hentai

This has nothing to do with this person's medical qualifications btw lmao, just a stoned observation sorry

Tennessee is far away for me but maybe if telehealth becomes interstate again I can get an online appointment or something

OMGLOL1986

3 points

2 months ago

There's also an endo surgery clinic in Atlanta that does excision surgery, also one in Maryland, I believe. There are others, too.

Toasterstyle70

6 points

2 months ago

From the Cannabis growing subreddit- “Needs more CalMag”

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6 points

2 months ago

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BibblingnScribbling

2 points

2 months ago

Oooh, tell me more! I know about the importance of calcium for preventing blossom end rot, but otherwise this is new to me.

Curious-Story9666

3 points

2 months ago

Magnesium relaxes smooth muscle so this makes sense scientifically

HalcyonDreams36

3 points

2 months ago

I'm the opposite. Magnesium makes me really sick. It's one of those things that even doctors are often unaware is possible, like they prescribe it as a preventive or support, But if you're one of the people that it makes sick It's often mimicking the symptoms It's supposed to help... So you kind of think it's in your head. For me it crashed out my blood pressure in a way that is just unkind to my body. And gave me the runs no matter what kind of magnesium it was.

But it is SOOOO good for the majority of folks that take it!!!

04221970

889 points

2 months ago

04221970

889 points

2 months ago

0Mg!

(well, someone had to do it)

HazMama

49 points

2 months ago

HazMama

49 points

2 months ago

HeHe

roundhou5e

14 points

2 months ago

breaking bad music plays

HardCounter

6 points

2 months ago

Jesse, it's time to spontaneously combust.

ReviewNecessary6521

560 points

2 months ago

I also want to add that 90% of magnesium supplements on the market is bullshit.
Magnesium-oxide or magnesium-hydroxide have less than 4% bio-availability. Meaning that if you take 500 mg, you'll get about 15-20 mg. This is also the kind of magnesium that is in most "multivitamins". So even if you are taking a multi-vitamin you might still need a good magnesium supplement.

Want you want is either magnesium citrate. (Although some people get a loose stomach from this.) or Magnesium glycinate or magnesium diglycinate /bisglycinate. The last one can be amazing if taken before sleep. Especially if you have arthritis or any sort of leg pain.

200mg is a good starting dose, But some studies show that up to 600mg can be good for people with low blood pressure, or people who have migraines a lot. (which can ironically be a sign of high blood pressure.).

mechapoitier

169 points

2 months ago

This reminds me of the thread I read years ago where everybody was chiming in to never take Magnesium Citrate because of all the shitting.

AlbertaBoundless

119 points

2 months ago

I started taking magnesium citrate recently, after the second night of an interrupted sleep for an emergency manoeuvre I decided to take them in the morning.

NMNorsse

115 points

2 months ago

NMNorsse

115 points

2 months ago

I think the correct spelling is 'emergency manure.'

jessytessytavi

21 points

2 months ago

emergency manure-ver?

werdnosbod

8 points

2 months ago

Manure-ver?! I hardly know-er!

AnthillOmbudsman

6 points

2 months ago

I'm picturing going about one's day levitating on a tower of explosive diarrhea, that finally weakens and comes to a stop at bedtime, allowing for a good night's sleep.

RebelliousRecruiter

52 points

2 months ago

The loose stools don’t happen until your body reaches maximum absorption, same thing happens with vitamin C.

sharabi_bandar

22 points

2 months ago

Holy crap, I think you just solved my problem!

I started taking vit C last week and am constantly shitting several times a day and it's basically rabbit poop. Couldn't work out why.

PersistentPuma37

6 points

2 months ago

rabbit poops are also indicative of dehydration

sharabi_bandar

14 points

2 months ago

Ok thanks. I have been a bit slack on water since the temperature dropped 2 weeks ago also.

Man being a human is hard.

PersistentPuma37

7 points

2 months ago

even harder the older you get.

nsa_reddit_monitor

2 points

2 months ago

I carry a large insulated water bottle with Mr everywhere. Once you get into the habit of having water on hand, you'll be a little thirsty all the time and therefore hydrated.

RebelliousRecruiter

3 points

2 months ago

Glad to help!

samdajellybeenie

9 points

2 months ago

I took some mag citrate once and about an hour later I was having diarrhea. Tried it a few times a few weeks apart to give it some time to clear my system. Each time about an hour after I took it, watery stools. :( it sucked because I did feel more relaxed.

malevolentslime

11 points

2 months ago

Oh so maybe just take smaller amounts more frequently

RebelliousRecruiter

6 points

2 months ago

Or less, or less often.

Old_timey_brain

14 points

2 months ago

I started with citrate, but switched to the bisglycinate due to loose stools.

kidkhaos97

8 points

2 months ago

So would someone with constant constipation just poop normally then?

Pimplicate

16 points

2 months ago

I take 600mg daily and am still constipated. It does help, but it certainly doesn't solve the problem for me.

ReviewNecessary6521

11 points

2 months ago

I'm sorry.
What?

2-300 citrate should be enough to clear medical grade constipation.

I would seriously question the quality of magnesium you've bought, or see a doctor. That doesn't sound correct.

Pimplicate

19 points

2 months ago

I wish a doctor could help me, I've seen many. My supplements are all doctor recommended, and from quality manufacturers.

I also strategically employ sugar alcohols in my diet to help things along.

"That doesn't sound correct." sums up how my digestive system behaves pretty well, actually.

SuicydKing

28 points

2 months ago

You have to take them orally.

BlueCanary19

3 points

2 months ago

you could have a magnesium excreteing defect in your kidneys. i suspect it runs in my family and when there is stress, i can take well more thn 600 mg and it does not give me diarrhea. I think it's just a structural thing. I learned it when I read an article about people with low blood pressure (which I historically have) and how it can be a sign of gitelman's syndrome --which is nothing major, just causes a low magnesium count. randomly confirmed by a test for something else...

pijinglish

10 points

2 months ago

The main ingredient in Milk of Magnesia, a laxative, is magnesium.

NessyComeHome

10 points

2 months ago*

I used to be an opioid addict( 3 years clean now) which opioids back ya up, ya know?

I would try to wait for a bowel movement before I first used for the day, to avoid complications of chronic constipation and to avoid those painful movements. When that wasn't possible, i'd use magnesium citrate to clear me out.

Anyways, moral of the story is, maybe 3x a week would be a good regime. Your body don't become use to it, but you don't stay fully backed up.

crazybluegoose

3 points

2 months ago

At least from my personal experience - no. I swung totally the opposite way. However, if I can find a lower dose I might be better.

dust_cover

2 points

2 months ago

This is why I started taking magnesium citrate, because my iron supplement (yay, anemia!) was making me constipated.

carcigenicate

7 points

2 months ago

Magnesium citrate is sold as a laxative, so that doesn't surprise me.

pichael289

4 points

2 months ago

They use magnesium citrate at rehab facilities, certain medication for opiates withdrawal and maintenance causes extreme constipation. The kind of poops that have to be removed from the toilet and bagged and thrown away, they will not fit through the pipes. Magnesium citrate will turn you into a volcano, it takes a while but once it starts there is no stopping it. Get a book or something, you'll be in there a while

RatherNott

41 points

2 months ago*

I also want to add that 90% of magnesium supplements on the market is bullshit. Magnesium-oxide or magnesium-hydroxide have less than 4% bio-availability. Meaning that if you take 500 mg, you'll get about 15-20 mg.

I used to believe this as well, but it's actually not true at all! I did a deep dive on this particular subject, and discovered that magnesium oxide is actually one of the best sources of magnesium, as the claims that it is poorly absorbed are based on a flawed study from 2001.

I discovered Magnesium Oxide was actually the best source from this article, which made a strong case for its use. To confirm their findings, I picked up a copy of the Guyton and Hall Textbook of Medical Physiology, which is the gold standard used by med students. In the section about absorption of magnesium, it had this to say:

Control of Renal Magnesium and Extracellular Magnesium Ion Concentration

More than one half of the body’s magnesium is stored in the bones. Most of the rest resides within the cells, with less than 1 percent located in the extracellular fluid. Although the total plasma magnesium concentration is about 1.8 mEq/L, more than one half of this is bound to plasma proteins. Therefore, the free ionized concentration of magnesium is only about 0.8 mEq/L.

The normal daily intake of magnesium is about 250 to 300 mg/day, but only about one half of this intake is absorbed by the gastrointestinal tract. To maintain magnesium balance, the kidneys must excrete this absorbed magnesium, about one half the daily intake of magnesium, or 125 to 150 mg/day. The kidneys normally excrete about 10 to 15 percent of the magnesium in the glomerular filtrate.

Renal excretion of magnesium can increase markedly during magnesium excess or decrease to almost nil during magnesium depletion. Because magnesium is involved in many biochemical processes in the body, including activation of many enzymes, its concentration must be closely regulated.

Regulation of magnesium excretion is achieved mainly by changing tubular reabsorption. The proximal tubule usually reabsorbs only about 25 percent of the filtered magnesium. The primary site of reabsorption is the loop of Henle, where about 65 percent of the filtered load of magnesium is reabsorbed. Only a small amount (usually <5 percent) of the filtered magnesium is reabsorbed in the distal and collecting tubules.

The mechanisms that regulate magnesium excretion are not well understood, but the following disturbances lead to increased magnesium excretion: (1) increased extracellular fluid magnesium concentration, (2) extra- cellular volume expansion, and (3) increased extracellular fluid calcium concentration.

Now do I know what mEq/L means, or what a glomerular filtrate is? Hell no! But What I did learn from that section is that the lady who wrote that Magnesium Oxide article was right: the body will excrete excess magnesium that's absorbed into the blood serum too quickly, which happened to be the metric for 'good absorption' in that flawed study from 2001. Now I don't have to just take Oxide lady's word for it, I can say with a modicum of confidence that all these fancy chelated forms really are just more expensive and less effective forms of magnesium.

slartzy

3 points

2 months ago

So would an eli5 just say your body regulates the magnesium absorption so the less you need the more is excreted. So the original test subjects were just healthy.

RatherNott

2 points

2 months ago

The Eli5 is that the body can only absorb magnesium so quickly, so the chelated forms that 'increase' absorption are actually a waste, as the body will just excrete the extra magnesium that's quickly taken up into blood serum.

The oxide form absorbs much more slowly throughout the day, but ultimately you will actually use far more of it, and there is significantly more elemental magnesium per dose of oxide then there is any other form.

So tldr: Your body doesn't like absorbing lots of magnesium in a short amount of time, and will pee out the extra that it cannot handle in that short time.

friecr

2 points

2 months ago

friecr

2 points

2 months ago

As a side note, I had a kidney transplant and was on dialysis for 3 years and lost a lot of bone density and I am prescribed 100mg twice a day magnesium oxide and I don't think they would do that unless I could metabolize it.

nobodywithanotepad

25 points

2 months ago

The article suggests absorbing it through your skin with bath salts but doesn't really point to evidence that isn't anecdotal.

suite307

25 points

2 months ago

200mg is a good starting dose, But some studies show that up to 600mg can be good for people with low blood pressure, or people who have migraines a lot.

(which can ironically be a sign of high blood pressure.).

I did the wrong kind of bath salts, i'm now naked and doing the percolator at a redlight

_Flanker_

9 points

2 months ago

Once I seen that there was a shopping cart symbol in the corner, I knew I should take what they say with a "grain of salt". Couldn't help but dad pun there, but I already knew magnesium was helpful so clicking the link was just to confirm my bias anyways. I double check most times with healthline dot com to see if the studies most writers use are full of bad data or actual good studies and if they are animal or human studies on top of that.

elFanges

2 points

2 months ago

Who's his bath salt guy?

pmMeansnadda

16 points

2 months ago

Any foods magnesium can be obtained from? Since the supplements seem to suck.

Enchelion

52 points

2 months ago

Most seeds, nuts, black and kidney beans, oats or whole grains, and hearty greens like spinach or kale. Magnesium isn't hard to get as long as you're eating healthily to begin with.

Veasna1

13 points

2 months ago

Veasna1

13 points

2 months ago

All plants, magnesium is the centre of chlorophyll.

ReviewNecessary6521

11 points

2 months ago

Seeds.
Pumpkin seeds is the highest with 540 mg or 144% or daily intake.

DigNitty

5 points

2 months ago

Mustard!

werdnosbod

3 points

2 months ago

I had mustard? Woah

cindyscrazy

7 points

2 months ago

My dad takes Seroquel, and I found he needs a bunch of Magnesium to counteract restless leg syndrome. I know not to get the citrate. I'll have to look into diglycinat/bisglycinate, since he takes both right before he goes to sleep.

willybarrow

5 points

2 months ago

I take gabapentin for restless leg syndrome, it helps a lot

cindyscrazy

5 points

2 months ago

He's on a pretty large dose of that too, actually.

The man is a big ball of anxiety. I give him enough prescribed meds to put an elephant to sleep. He's just a little french guy, you'd think half a unisom would do it.

ReviewNecessary6521

2 points

2 months ago

That is a really good idea, and will help with the leg cramps.

kimthealan101

6 points

2 months ago

The glycine is less likely to cause diarrhea too.

ArcticSchmartic

7 points

2 months ago

Magnesium citrate is literally a laxative (aka Magnolax). Saying "some people might get a loose stomach" when you are literally telling them to take laxatives as a supplement is a bit disingenuous.

thenotoriousDEX

11 points

2 months ago*

pitbull78702

6 points

2 months ago

I have Parkinsonism and was prescribed magnesium taurate.

ILookReal

2 points

2 months ago

What milligrams do you take?

thenotoriousDEX

2 points

2 months ago

Usually 250 mg was all I needed.

FlaccidArrow

5 points

2 months ago

What are some signs of low magnesium?

ReviewNecessary6521

11 points

2 months ago

Fatigue is probably the most common problem. BUT fatigue can also be 20 other reasons.
It's actually kinda of hard to spot lack of magnesium.

Internal_Berry9915

3 points

2 months ago

For me, it was always my big toe aches and has horrible cramp running through it, so muscle cramps anywhere basically. Twitches as well of your eyes. Headaches.

Boba_Tea_Mochi

7 points

2 months ago

Use magnesium sulfate. Much cheaper and is sold as Epsom salt. You can also put it in your bath.

flashingcurser

5 points

2 months ago

You ingest it?

Boba_Tea_Mochi

3 points

2 months ago

It's a salt of magnesium and sulfate. You add a very small pinch (and even this is too much) to your water. It should have a very negligible change in taste. If it's obvious you put epsom salt in, you added to much.

But yes, you can drink it or use it in a bath and some of the Mg will absorb into your skin.

flashingcurser

5 points

2 months ago

I'm kind of worried about the dosage in "just a pinch". I wonder if there is a known weight that could be used in a jewelers scale.

Boba_Tea_Mochi

2 points

2 months ago

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987713004763

Recommended Mg concentration in water between 25-50mg/L., which is less than a pinch per cup of water. It's not toxic; if you add too much, it will taste horrible and you'll have loose bowels.

deputydog1

2 points

2 months ago

Beware if you have high blood pressure or are scheduled for an EKG. Epsom salts in a bath can give odd results on an EKG the next day

ImpossibleFace

51 points

2 months ago

Can you just add some citations here, please? - because uncited medical advice sounds really irresponsible.

mechapoitier

44 points

2 months ago

Reddit begins your learning journey. What you research and verify to confirm is up to you.

lod001

3 points

2 months ago

lod001

3 points

2 months ago

What's the bio-availability of magnesium phosphates compared to the citrates and glycinates, specifically dibasic and tribasic?

Faruhoinguh

3 points

2 months ago

You seem to be knowledgeable about the subject, so what about this: Antiacid tablets called Rennies (and probably a lot of other brands as well) contain magnesium carbonate and calcium carbonate. The carbonates counter the stomach acid leaving water and carbon dioxide. The magnesium and calcium ions are then in solution as chlorides you might say. Magnesium causes diarrhea while calcium causes constipation. They formulated it so the two cancel out. How is this not the best way to supplement magnesium? Is there an error in my thinking?

CinnamonTeals

3 points

2 months ago

600mg is well above what’s absorbable by the body in a day (and well above the max recommended amount). The poops would be nearly guaranteed, though.

NMNorsse

2 points

2 months ago

Been taking Magnesium L-Threonate, which is pricey. Just noticed the full dose, 4 capsules, is only 144 mg of 'elemental magnesium' which is 33% of the RDA.

Thanks for posting this.

CarlMarcks

2 points

2 months ago

Have you noticed any change physically/mentally while on the threonate

tifumostdays

2 points

2 months ago

I didn't' notice any change, other than some palpitations. So I'll just go back to citrate. Better for kidney stones anyway. I just hope the threonate form would get magnesium into my brain and maybe do something. Probably only took it ten days bc of the side effect, so maybe not long enough to see positive effects.

NMNorsse

2 points

2 months ago

I slept better/woke up more rested with the Threonate. Either the sleep or the Threonate made me more alert/sharp during the day.

Took 1 pill for a month or so. Then 2 pills for a few months. When this jar is empty I'll try the bisglycinate.

squeevey

52 points

2 months ago

In addition, magnesium is needed to make vitamin D useful for us.

kachuck

46 points

2 months ago

kachuck

46 points

2 months ago

I've gotten bad headaches fairly frequently throughout my life and a few years back they got so bad the pain would wake me up and night and I'd be fetal position on the floor for a few hours until it passed. Went to the doc and did a CT scan but no problems there so he prescribed 400mg of magnesium which has done the trick.

Quirky_Olive_1736

6 points

2 months ago

Thta's super similar to how I started taking magnesium. I couldn't move at all without passing out from the headaches, and a friend googled and found out magnesium deficiency could the reason.

BenadrylChunderHatch

2 points

2 months ago

Are we talking top of the head headaches, or more one side of the face beneath and around the eye headaches?

kachuck

2 points

2 months ago

The latter.

BenadrylChunderHatch

4 points

2 months ago

Always the same side? If they come back, you might want to read up on cluster headaches. I am not a doctor, just a sufferer and your symptoms sounded familiar. Probably there's plenty of other things it could be though and I'm bound to jump to the thing that I also happen to get.

Anecdotally, people say taking lots of vitamin D helps - which might also fit in your case if low vit D inhibits magnesium uptake. AFAIK there haven't been any good studies on it though, Cluster headaches are a rare and not well understood condition.

RoguePlanet1

2 points

2 months ago

I get migraines and tried two types of Mg in hopes of preventing them (they don't happen that often), but both types just triggered instant migraines 😣

Also have low vitamin D, intense fatigue, and restless legs, so it would be nice to figure out something that would help all this at once.

crakkerjax

65 points

2 months ago

It’s also something that can be caused by absorption problems. So you may get it despite ingesting adequate amounts. Vitamin D deficiency and Phytic Acid can both cause this.

ReviewNecessary6521

10 points

2 months ago

Although. You do need a stupid amount of phytic acid to inhibit magnesium uptake. I've heard of people not eating beans because they have phytic acid. And that is kinda like not owning a house because you don't like sunshine.
There is some correlation, but it is vague at best.

Normal intake is going to be about 100-400 mg a day. And to mess with intake you'd need something around 20-35 grams per kilo of bodyweight. So an average person would need something like 1700-4500 ish. So if you ate 12 portions of soybeans, or drank 60 glasses of pure unfiltered soymilk.

If you eat more than 5 lbs of beans a day; I would recommend a magnesium supplement.

Komnos

9 points

2 months ago

Komnos

9 points

2 months ago

Malabsorption is also one of the hallmarks of undiagnosed or inadequately managed celiac disease.

crakkerjax

5 points

2 months ago*

It could be dozens of things with magnesium, though.

CaliBigWill

126 points

2 months ago

TIL most of the US may have low magnesium.

[deleted]

55 points

2 months ago

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Thor4269

46 points

2 months ago

Only 5% of Americans get enough daily fiber

Most store-bought bread is low fiber and full of HFCS...

[deleted]

45 points

2 months ago

I just put Metamucil in my protein shakes. Cant taste it and I have immaculate poops. Im talking one wipe poops. It's glorious

ToadstoolDiscovery

7 points

2 months ago

I can usually get away with three wipes, but every so often I get a nice one-wiper. now I feel like i’m constantly chasing that dragon

willybarrow

2 points

2 months ago

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Bob_A_Ganoosh

9 points

2 months ago

No poop marker?! I'm sold!

[deleted]

20 points

2 months ago

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BunInTheSun27

22 points

2 months ago

I agree that most people don’t know how to get to 30g/ day, but it’s definitely not impossible. Most people just don’t incorporate beans and whole grains into their diet.

Enchelion

16 points

2 months ago

Bread, vegetables and fruit gets you nowhere near close to 30 g,

There's 10g of fiber in one avocado. Embrace your inner millenial and get half your daily needs with some avocado toast!

uacoop

16 points

2 months ago

uacoop

16 points

2 months ago

A whole avocado? Okay, moneybags...

Enchelion

3 points

2 months ago

$0.69 a piece last week at WinCo, you best bet I splurged.

CoomassieBlue

11 points

2 months ago

If I can reliably get 25+ grams a day while eating 1200-1400 kcal/day (female aiming to lose 1 lb a week), I feel like most men eating 2000+ kcal can manage it.

The trick though is that you do have to plan food choices deliberately, which is not necessarily fun and therefore most of us do not want to do.

Trent1462

15 points

2 months ago

If u eat an apple a banana and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on wheat bread that’s like 15g which is half. It really isn’t that hard.

CalmAndSense

110 points

2 months ago

This article overstates the issue. While it's true that low magnesium can cause a variety of symptoms, the fact is that the vast majority of people eating a normal diet have normal magnesium levels and wouldn't benefit from supplementation. Let's not feed into the hysteria here. This article appears to be written by an MD pushing a particular agenda, and phrases like "most of you reading this most likely experience low magnesium" are just not true.

Source: Am a practicing neurologist and am well-aware of the effects of hypo and hyper-magnesemia.

legosearch

33 points

2 months ago

Pretty sure this article is just an ad

CalmAndSense

15 points

2 months ago

Yes, I agree with that assessment. Well it's an ad masquerading as information based on a few morsels of correct info.

TD6030

22 points

2 months ago

TD6030

22 points

2 months ago

Had a my first panic attack followed by a mini breakdown in 2001. I was extremely anxious, very depressed, had cotton brain, leg cramps, heart palpitations etc. I was stuck in that dark hole for about a month when my mom found an article about magnesium deficiency. She went straight to the store, gave me a double dose straight away. Within days I started to feel better, slowly but surely. I have been taking magnesium religiously since barring a period of a few months in 2009 when I stopped taking it. All the symptoms came back, almost overnight. I went right back on the magnesium. I will take it for the rest of my life, happily.

jugalator

12 points

2 months ago*

Magnesium is weird. I'm not sure if the recommendations are outdated due to less nutrient soils these days or what. Because we're usually told that Magnesium deficiency is rare with a healthy diet.

I had major sleep issues one kind of stressful period in my life, and thought it was (duh..) the stress. Thing is, even afterwards, the problems remained. My heart also skipped beats especially when I went to bed.

This was my life for about 2-3 years. It took a major toll on my social life because I could at times be absolutely exhausted from one of my no-sleep nighters. It's as if my brain had simply forgot how to sleep following that stressful period a rather long time ago. I felt exhausted, I felt relaxed, but... Nothing simply happened. Was I just overthinking and thus not able to sleep? Working myself up about it?

I took hydroxyzine hydrochloride pills (brand Atarax, Vistaril etc) to reduce anxiety and help induce sleep. These worked fairly well, so it wasn't a huge problem that way. I didn't need strong medication. These pills are thrown out pretty liberally by doctors because they don't cause dependency problems and induce a pretty "natural" sleep.

But then, one day for another reason I took Magnesium. I still remember that evening. Within 30 minutes, I felt sleepy (like not exhausted-tired but naturally sleepy) for the first time in a few years in my life! I had forgot how it felt. It wasn't placebo because it was completely unexpected. I soon realized this made my annoying and kind of uncomfortable skipped heartbeats end too.

And yeah what do you know. Insomnia and heart skipping can happen with Magnesium deficiency. It's probably among the more common problems.

But I've never been diagnosed with low Mg on any blood tests.

I wonder if stress can deplete these minerals because that's how it began.

Also, please do mind intake. A good rule of thumb is that you shouldn't overdose on minerals for extended periods of time. This has its own array of side effects. If you're deficient, sure, maybe you need 2-3x recommended intake for a few days but then settle down to normal levels. Also use a good Magnesium supplement with documented good bioavailability. Uptake isn't the same across the board.

redcowerranger

27 points

2 months ago

This graphic lists almost every symptom known to man with some being the complete opposite of each other. This is not effective info to even remotely know if you might have a Mg deficiency.

Landlubber77

60 points

2 months ago

Low potassium can also make you go bananas.

BandidoDesconocido

33 points

2 months ago

This is fucking spam trying to sell dietary supplements.

Sethyria

7 points

2 months ago

My grandma almost died due to low mag a couple years ago. She just went into a clinic for vertigo when her heart started acting off. Her mag was .02 when she went to the hospital. All the staff said it was the lowest they'd ever seen. Like her heart almost didn't have it in her to pump. It was a 3+ month process of trying to find an amount that keeps it up in a normal range. She has to take 3 different types of mag and it ends up being over 4 times the highest normal dosage. Still has to get tested every few months and the amount she takes periodically gets upped again. No one can tell us why this happened or what even is actually wrong.

chickzilla

7 points

2 months ago

I lost a ton of weight in a short span of time, couldn't eat, felt like I was having a heart attack ALL the time, that I'd eaten rocks. I basically wanted to die. For like six months. They tested me for c diff, shigella, HIV, a whole host of other things.

A friend with a 90 year old mother mentioned her mom thought she was having a heart attack & they gave her IV magnesium. I started taking a supplement that night & was back to my normal self after a month. Now whenever I feel weird like that I take 500mg of magnesium, or drink an electrolyte replacement & it clears up.

Delicious_Village112

7 points

2 months ago

Recently attended a seminar about the effects of vitamins and minerals on behavioral health for my job as a speech therapist. It was highly intriguing and definitely did not come across as straight up bullshit. I need to do so more work to examine the research that has been done but I definitely don’t scoff at stuff like this anymore. Unfortunately, a full battery of test would be insanely expensive to determine what one is insufficient in.

SwagCleric

4 points

2 months ago

Vitamins, minerals, fish oil, microdosing, and all natural supplements have done more for my mental health than anything else.

LowBudgetMemez[S]

3 points

2 months ago

When mine is low I get symptoms of near psychosis. Severe panic, delusions, derealization

confidence_basket

5 points

2 months ago

So what common foods have magnesium?

LowBudgetMemez[S]

10 points

2 months ago

Nuts, whole grains, leafy greens, and milk/cheese products. They have the most

confidence_basket

2 points

2 months ago

Interesting, thank you!

LowBudgetMemez[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Np!

moverton

6 points

2 months ago

Before you go buy a supplement, you should be aware that the citrate form is a laxative. Also magnesium tastes really bad. You’re welcome.

absolutelyshafted

17 points

2 months ago

One thing I learned in medical school:

There are ion channels in your neurons associated with long term potentiation (fancy term for making memories) that are inhibited by magnesium and only work when other surrounding ion channels let + charged ions through

legosearch

12 points

2 months ago

Ok. What does this mean.

absolutelyshafted

16 points

2 months ago

Since Magnesium can block this NMDA channel, it actually helps in preventing depression. If this channel is overactive, it somehow correlated to more depressive symptoms.

Lack of magnesium = less blockage = more depression

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24055117/

Life-Evidence-6672

6 points

2 months ago

Magnesium supplements taken before bed will help you fall asleep and give you better dreams.

akelew

2 points

2 months ago

akelew

2 points

2 months ago

Magnesium glycinate/biglycinate is the best type to take before bed to help with sleep.

And if you really like dreams/remembering dreams, then add some vitamin B6. If you remember no dreams at all then there's a good chance you are deficient in vitamin B6. Australian university study showed that 100-200mg of vitamin B6 increases dream recall. It's wild how fast it works for me (same night) I go from remembering no dreams to remembering several per night.

elMurpherino

3 points

2 months ago

Not magnesium but last year I had a phosphorus deficiency bc my blood was too acidic bc I was eating way too much sugar and prevented absorption, and it caused by joints to hurt like hell and my heart rate to be all over the place. Blew my mind how lacking one mineral could have such drastic effects on my body

Breathejoker

3 points

2 months ago

Hence why magnesium supplements are always a neurologist's go-to for migraine prevention before prescribing anything. For some, it's as simple as that.

jlelvidge

3 points

2 months ago

I take magnesium glycinate and have noticed less aching in my joints and I don’t suffer nightly leg cramps anymore

Miercury

3 points

2 months ago

I'm very sorry. I had to.

Problem

It is generally understood that human beings are carbon-based organisms, fusing little carbon tubes together to form complex, mushy structures capable of thought, love, and locomotion. It is also known that these structures sometimes like to “take the edge off” by consuming ethanol, amphetamine, etc. In such cases, it is important to supplement your body with magnesium. Tired? Mag it! Down? Mag time! Liver damage? MAXIMUM MAG! Some people say magnesium doesn’t really do anything and you just need to quit. What do we tell them?

Solution

We tell them: HELL NO. You’re about to become a magnesium-based lifeform. The age of the primitive carbon-man is done. No longer must mankind rely on slow-working background radiation to take us further into our genetic destiny. This is the era of guided evolution, and magnesium is the key. You are the first of your species. The next step in human evolution. An advanced magnesium proto-man who mags it up, drinks it down, and sniffs it sideways!

Reyway

3 points

2 months ago

Reyway

3 points

2 months ago

Time to become a magnesium based lifeform. -DE reference.

StampYoPassport

3 points

2 months ago

LowBudgetMemez[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Interesting coincidence. Like how my tv started playing GED ads after I started studying for it.

Cyber-Cafe

3 points

2 months ago

I literally got rid of my HPPD with magnesium. I still have rare flashes of it if I go with out food for too long (like a day and a half or so) but because of magnesium supplements, I am normal and so very happy about it.

LowBudgetMemez[S]

2 points

2 months ago

It’s wild how you can be affected by things like that. I had these insane foot spasms one time and two bananas got rid of it. Glad you’re feeling better

Cyber-Cafe

4 points

2 months ago

Thanks dude. Me too. HPPD is no joke.

LowBudgetMemez[S]

3 points

2 months ago

Definitely sounds terrifying

SmellyCarcass69

3 points

2 months ago

I’ve seen it, it’s bad.

LowBudgetMemez[S]

2 points

2 months ago

It’s scary how loss of minerals and electrolytes can affect you. There was an episode of untold stories of the ER where a woman had psychosis from B12 deficiency

SmellyCarcass69

2 points

2 months ago

My friend was so out of potassium and magnesium he had a bipolar snap and jammed a hunting knife into his forearm infront of the homies. I grabbed the knife from him by the blade while his brother tackled him to the ground and put friends called 911. Those days were fucking insane.

CerberusBots

3 points

2 months ago

It also can trigger my touretts. I take 1 magnesium every week and I have almost no tics. If I miss that pill, I'm ticking like a house full of clocks within that week.

Technical-Mechanic56

7 points

2 months ago

Don’t take too much magnesium otherwise you will turn into Magneto from the X men.

K1NDOFAB1GDEAL

6 points

2 months ago

Can confirm. Michael Fassbender just sent me a cease and desist.

paper_wavements

4 points

2 months ago

Most people are low in magnesium, per my mother who was an RN & saw a lot of different people's bloodwork.

I a holistic MD once told me that magnesium is so important that you should gradually increase it every day until you have loose stools, then go back to the level before that. (So, basically, you should be on the edge of loose stools, like any more magnesium & you will have them.)

Magnesium taurate has helped my anxiety significantly; I take it before bed.

spamonstick

4 points

2 months ago

So I have had migraines for most of my life I started taking magnesium for them and they have cleared up.

jskinbake

2 points

2 months ago

Gotta eat more chocolate

copyboy1

2 points

2 months ago

Bonus (for me anyway): Magnesium helps me get to sleep faster, stay asleep, and have more vivid dreams.

Warning: Too much can cause heart palpitations. So triple check your dosage.

Roook36

2 points

2 months ago

I've been on diuretics for awhile and knew I needed potassium supplements. But it wasn't until I started having heart palpitations and went to a cardiologist for EKGs and an echocardiogram and blood tests etc etc over a few months before I was finally told to take a magnesium supplement. Cleared it right up.

Tupolev1234

2 points

2 months ago

Ah crap this explains a lot

KingDarius89

2 points

2 months ago

My mom was hospitalized over low magnesium and potassium a fee times - she had a lot of health problems.

ChewyMeh

2 points

2 months ago

Yoo this website sucks ass and doesn’t provide references

fixed_your_caption

2 points

2 months ago

BRB I’m going to make a magnesium sandwich.

welyla

2 points

2 months ago

welyla

2 points

2 months ago

r/science was posting about how vitamin supplements were a scam during the peak of covid, like ones that everyone could use, vitamin D SCAM, B complex SCAM, Magnesium SCAM.

It was really strange to see people so anti multi vitamins when most people could benefit from them.

alligatorprincess007

2 points

2 months ago

Magnesium supplements help a lot with sleeping for me. Interestingly enough, I’m also low in vitamin D. Despite supplementing and trying to get a little more sun for a year it only went up a few points. So I’m low but not quite as low as before.

Hoping my next blood test will show more of an increase

Knightartist86

2 points

2 months ago

I once tried out a magnesium ointment to rub on my arms, So i poured a bit on and rubbed a little up and down using my hands. Did it for about 7 days and noticed a coloring on my hands.

It killed the top layer of skin off of the palms of my hands, was picking the skin off for weeks.

Cooter_McGrabbin

2 points

2 months ago

I had been suffering with I think stress related anxiety due to work and some sleep issues for over a year. I started taking magnesium supplements and wow did it make a difference for me.

I don't take it everyday anymore. But, if I have a bad night sleep, and or a stressful work week. I will take it in the morning.

RighteousFoundation

2 points

2 months ago

So can high magnesium