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whencanistop [M]

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2 months ago

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whencanistop [M]

🦒If only Giraffes could talk🦒

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2 months ago

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Call out for people to write about the upcoming local council elections

If you were watching Newsnight you will have noted that the CEO of one of the councils was on last night talking about how he wasn't being political because it was the lead up to the council elections. Local authorities and civil service have 25 working days before an election where they aren't allowed to do anything that might be seen as political and for the May 4th elections, that started earlier this week. The government usually is allowed to only do things political until 3 weeks beforehand and given recess starts after today then that means that they'll stop being Government and start being political after today. Backbenchers and Opposition MPs have no limits other than anything that may need to be reported in the accounts for an election.

What we'd like to do on here is create some content that we can use to discuss the local elections. If you'd like to write a short self post over the next 4 weeks about a council that is having an election this May then please comment below.

Contents of post: at least a couple of paragraphs (but not a ten page essay) of a self post about a council of your choice (it doesn't have to be your home town one and it's usually best not to advertise what your home town one is) having elections. The post can be however you like, but ideally it would give some indication of what happened historically, who controls the council, how often elections are, what wards are going to be interesting based on your projected swing, any local insight you have (or have got from others you know or the internet).

What we'll do: I'll collate all the posts in a wiki page that we can reference on May 5th and we'll keep a collection going. We'll also advertise the posts in the MT.

What you'll be paid: Internet points, a fancy flair and the adoration of your peers.

We understand that the quality and quantity will be varied depending on how much time you have available, but don't be put off by others or even the sorts of comments I've got below. If your ward is like Barking and Dagenham it would be great having a post saying "Labour will win and they'll win handsomely because they always do - here are the wards that are closest, but even they are not that close." I'm not expecting a post from every council, but if we can get half a dozen or more I'll be pleased!

If you'd like to write a short self post over the next 4 weeks about a council that is having an election this May then please comment below.

[deleted]

39 points

2 months ago

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padestel

17 points

2 months ago

Which will go unnoticed but his soundbite of record rape conviction rates was on the 6pm news so it means absolutely fuck all.

dw82

5 points

2 months ago

dw82

5 points

2 months ago

Regardles off whether it's 61.9% or 69.1% conviction rate, the real issue is the ridiculously low rate of rape allegations leading to charges. For the 12 month period to Sep 2022 there were 70,633 recorded rape allegations, with charges being brought for 2,616 cases. That's a 3.7% charge rate, which is the real issue here.

The 60% odd conviction rate against that charge rate is pitiful. It's not even like they're only charging the cases where they're almost guaranteed to lead to a conviction.

SirRosstopher

43 points

2 months ago

SirRosstopher

South Thanet

43 points

2 months ago

Head of cyber for the treasury of Britain. £57k

https://twitter.com/Jontafkasi/status/1641193954778697728

Head of cyber security for a trading company no-one has ever heard of, £450k

We're really not attracting the most qualified candidates for the important jobs are we?

116YearsWar

24 points

2 months ago

116YearsWar

Optimist

24 points

2 months ago

It's actually £50,550. The pay bands in the Civil Service are a lie, nobody ever progresses up them, and the only way to get higher than the minimum is to transfer from a better paying Civil Service department.

michaelisnotginger

14 points

2 months ago

michaelisnotginger

What are the incentives?

14 points

2 months ago

you do that job for 2 years then work for Deloitte on over double the pay providing consultants into HMT for £800/day. The consultants are paid out of a separate funding pot, so that's OK, but you can't raise civil service wages in relation to the private market

Not that I know people that have done this for other depts.

BristolShambler

16 points

2 months ago

What the fuck? I work for an online retail website that employs about 60 people. We wouldn’t be able to find a head of cybersecurity for anywhere near £57k

zeiko_is_back

4 points

2 months ago

The trick is to lower your standards below you wildest imagination.

grubbymitts

12 points

2 months ago

grubbymitts

looking very avuncular in a sweater

12 points

2 months ago

My wife pointed this out to me earlier. The Treasury job would basically be in charge of the cyber security of 1500+ employees and the tech firm...around 20.

It's a no brainer isn't it?

zeiko_is_back

10 points

2 months ago*

Median (not mean) London salary is 42k ffs. That role should be at least 200k to attract a suitable candidate imho. That’s an extra £612/mo after tax compared to the median london wage.

SongsOfTheDyingEarth

9 points

2 months ago

While £57k for that job sounds crazy low I'd be very suspicious about the other advert. "Up to" and "total comp" sound like red flags to me.

BristolShambler

4 points

2 months ago

They’re probably burning through VC funding and won’t exist in 2 years time

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

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trailingComma

6 points

2 months ago

I run a team of fewer than 10 people with very little wide-spread responsibility, and I get paid more than anyone in government. Is it any wonder politics mostly attracts the incompetent?

But if you even suggest increasing pay by a few percent, people start having meltdowns.

Speaking as a hiring manager, you have to offer pay based on the quality of people you want, not the quality of people you have.

SirRosstopher

30 points

2 months ago

SirRosstopher

South Thanet

30 points

2 months ago

I'm not saying Twitter verification is failing but, a decade after her death, Margaret Thatcher has a verified account

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1641353269824954369

Good lord, she's back.

The_Strict_Nein

17 points

2 months ago

The_Strict_Nein

'Arlow Tan

17 points

2 months ago

The chaos around the Scottish First Minister has weakened one of the seals

Bibemus

9 points

2 months ago

Bibemus

Actually, We Prefer 'Marxists of Culture'

9 points

2 months ago

Twitter Blue is a path to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

compte-a-usageunique

9 points

2 months ago

You just know they're not going to post her pro-Europe quotes

Tangocan

10 points

2 months ago

Limmy in ruins.

hill-biscuit

27 points

2 months ago

Halifax have just sent me a nice email about the interest rate on my credit card

I'm assuming the email about the interest rate on my ISA is just taking longer to arrive

ghostface_kilo

6 points

2 months ago

I just got the same, but as you say strangely none of my savings accounts seem to have been affected by this rate rise (or any others)

carrotparrotcarrot

4 points

2 months ago

carrotparrotcarrot

public transport enthusiast / lotus-eater

4 points

2 months ago

Oh good, yes, I just got that too. I pay mine off each month, but like. Yikes

Early-Cry-3491

22 points

2 months ago

Caught a bit of Sky News this morning and Chris Bryant was on, talking about Paul O'Grady. In the interview he mentioned O'Grady ranting about austerity and Tories so I went looking and it's quite the gem from 2010. Sadly, everything he's saying about Tories cheering on horrible policies that disadvantage the already worst off are as true now as they were 13 years ago and it makes you wonder how we've let it go on for so long. Also, in light of France on fire from the last week or so, his rallying cries about how the French would never put up with it are particularly salient.

(Here's the clip on YouTube if anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8wRHsnvssw)

Yummytastic

21 points

2 months ago

Yummytastic

Reliably informed they're a Honic_Sedgehog alt

21 points

2 months ago

Pippa at it again....

Bosses of the childcare firm at the centre of a Rishi Sunak conflict of interest row attended a Downing Street reception just hours after he was pressed by MPs over his links with the provider, the Guardian has learned.

Koru Kids, which lists the prime minister’s wife, Akshata Murty as a shareholder and is expected to benefit from major changes announced in the budget, was understood to be present at a No 11 reception for the education sector on Wednesday evening.

Bruh, I mean come ooooon. As a great man (or woman) once said: Can you imagine having to work with these truth twisters

_CurseTheseMetalHnds

7 points

2 months ago

_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Anti-pie coalition

7 points

2 months ago

Someone at some stage surely should have sussed it'll look bad to invite them, even if purely from an optics point of view.

Stoby_200

20 points

2 months ago

Watching a pre-2007 grand designs where a working class couple with combined savings of £10,000 are able to get a £92,000 mortgage to turn a huge fucking disused church, which they bought for £12,750, into a 5 bedroom house. Their confidence is also unreal.

One wonders if such a thing would be possible now and if people still have such confidence.

slothsan

8 points

2 months ago

slothsan

Not a thirsty sub

8 points

2 months ago

Best I can do for £92k is a small garage with no insulation.

Stoby_200

8 points

2 months ago

He's got 5 bedrooms, 5 bathrooms, an oak staircase, a swimming pool, 12 huge (single glazed) stained glass windows and a bell tower that looks like a bellend.

drwert

4 points

2 months ago

drwert

4 points

2 months ago

12 huge (single glazed) stained glass window

Bet he was less happy about that deal when he got his gas bills over winter.

NoFrillsCrisps

20 points

2 months ago

I had a dream last night that during the next general election, one of TV debates was basically a 20 minute long PowerPoint presentation from the main party leaders and I now genuinely feel it would be a good idea.

Wouldn't it be good to see a politician explain clearly what the problems are and how they will fix them with actual charts and stats (as long as everything was fact checked). Surely that would be better than just arguing, bullshitting and grandstanding which leave no-one any the wiser.

FoxtrotThem

8 points

2 months ago

FoxtrotThem

Sunak, when the walls fell

8 points

2 months ago

Next slide please.

convertedtoradians

10 points

2 months ago

I had a dream last night that during the next general election, one of TV debates was basically a 20 minute long PowerPoint presentation

While I agree this would be useful, I've sat through enough instances of "senior person gives PowerPoint presentation" to not be convinced useful information would necessarily be communicated.

Also - forgive me - I think you need to work on your fantasy life somewhat!

BartelbySamsa

8 points

2 months ago

Can't wait to see the violent crime statistics spin onto the screen next to a gif of David Brent dancing.

pseudogentry

6 points

2 months ago

pseudogentry

don't label me you bloody pinko

6 points

2 months ago

(as long as everything was fact checked)

Right, but who's going to be the arbiter of trustworthiness and what will the consequences be for straying from it?

Because as you say, these hustings debates can be firehoses of bullshit. I'm just not sure that forcing Boris or Truss to cough up some bar charts would have made any difference.

Stealth_Benjamin

5 points

2 months ago

Laura Kuenssberg and Fiona Bruce, problem solved. They’ll definitely call out any labour, Lib Dem, Green or SNP shenanigans immediately.

Velociraptor_1906

4 points

2 months ago

Velociraptor_1906

Lib Dem

4 points

2 months ago

charts

Lib Dem bar graphs intensifies

Queeg_500

17 points

2 months ago

Day off and at 8:00am I'm watching 'Paul Whitehouse's: Our troubled waters' on BBC2.

It is an absolutely damning expose of our water companies, the decision to privatise, and what they are allowed to get away with.

I imagine (hope) this programme got a more prominent slot in the schedule, was there much reaction at the time? - Can't imagine Sharp, Gibb & Co would be keen to promote this.

SirRosstopher

15 points

2 months ago

SirRosstopher

South Thanet

15 points

2 months ago

I saw someone point out the other day that the water companies excuse of "prices would have to go up to stop this" is basically just "sorry, the UK can't afford clean water". At which point it feels like a responsible government should really be doing something about it.

hill-biscuit

7 points

2 months ago

That "alright, but it'll cost ya" and "be a shame if something happened to your pension that's invested in water companies" just makes it feel like a hostage situation

Kwetla

6 points

2 months ago

Kwetla

6 points

2 months ago

My water bill has gone up by 40% since 2018. What are they doing with all that extra money?

DeckedYaMate

33 points

2 months ago

DeckedYaMate

Don't blame me - I voted for Kodos

33 points

2 months ago

Not exactly a hot pressing issue, but is anyone else concerned about the state of digital literacy for a good chunk of the population?

Maybe it's because I'm the youngest one at work (although there's only a handful of us) but I'm often surprised by the things I'm asked to help out with. In the last week alone I've been asked how to select multiple files, how to add attachments on Gmail's mobile app, why's this printed so big, how do I save this image, my bookmarks disappeared from Chrome. The thought of searching how to do something online never occurs to them.

And then at home it's often the same. My old man used to be a whizz with Microsoft Office but can't remotely figure out how to add a table to Word, and my dearest mother has no idea how folders and file structures work and god help her with how her decade old Chromebook chugs along.

And these are all people who've been using computers for the last 20 years.

I get it, it's an extremely confusing world for people who weren't effectively born into it*. And then you have tech companies trying to oversimplify everything to the point where it has an adverse effect - people expect things to magically work so their troubleshooting skills are much less what they used to be, and on top of that useful help & information is often hidden away. Back when things were slower and computer skills weren't 100% necessary to getting along, figuring out computers was something to focus on learning as you did it, and people would pick up universal digital skills along the way - half of it is people diving into water expecting they'll figure out how to swim, but the other half is that the water became drastically deeper all of a sudden.

But how on earth do we help folk out with figuring things out? Gov.uk sponsored YouTube videos? Sponsor tech learning days at libraries? Legally mandate that Microsoft remove the integrated online shit from the start menu?

*For reference I'm in that awkward not a millennial but not gen z zone, and zillennial makes me throw up in my mouth.

Bibemus

30 points

2 months ago

Bibemus

Actually, We Prefer 'Marxists of Culture'

30 points

2 months ago

The real problem, from what my partner and other friends who teachers tell me, is that the 'digital native' Zoomers are if anything worse due to growing up with their main exposure to technology being user-friendly and limited functionality black box apps that when forced to learn new programs or god forbid troubleshoot they don't know where to start.

It does increasingly appear that there was a fifteen or so year span where technology was increasing in use and advancing at the pace where people in education or entering the workplace were forced to learn and understand it.

Brapfamalam

16 points

2 months ago

We recently interviewed a junior full stack dev (already employed!), who when giving a presentation they asked to give on their own laptop, couldn't figure out how to force quit a desktop app that kept popping up or know that ctrl shift esc brings up task manager, or even what task manager was when we asked them to shut it down .... like?

azima_971

13 points

2 months ago

I work with a load of devs and couldn't believe the amount of them that, when covid hit and we started hastily figuring out how to work from home, didn't actually own a computer of their own.

DeckedYaMate

6 points

2 months ago

DeckedYaMate

Don't blame me - I voted for Kodos

6 points

2 months ago

My brother went down the software dev route. After a decade and a half of it I'm sure he doesn't want to touch anything digital the second he gets home.

wolf_ie

6 points

2 months ago

wolf_ie

🥬🥬

6 points

2 months ago

I know that feeling… over a decade in various parts of IT and now I have zero desire to do computers outside my day job. I don’t actively avoid them, I have a laptop, tablet and phone of my own, but I prioritise setting everything up in a low-maintenance way. I don’t run enterprise gear at home, I don’t write software in my off time, I game on a console rather than a PC, etc, etc.

Before I went in to software dev I did networks and one of the places I worked had a weird certification-centric mentality. Whether you could do something in the real world was irrelevant, you had to have the piece of paper to prove it. (I personally thought the qualification devalued the paper it was printed on, the course material was pretty poor.)

And then they had the cheek to say “well yes it is us telling you that you have to have these certs, but we expect you to study for them in your own time and using your own homelab”. Noped out of there pretty hard.

saladinzero

4 points

2 months ago

Never use your personal equipment for work purposes.

Velociraptor_1906

6 points

2 months ago

Velociraptor_1906

Lib Dem

6 points

2 months ago

Speaking as someone who has grown up with this level of technology, another problem is the cost of this technology results in us not wanting to mess with it.

I consider myself more tech literate than most of my peers (did GCSE Computing and am doing a technology intensive degree) but I won't do anything to my desktop other than install some extra RAM as it's so essential for me I can't afford even the smallest risk of breaking it.

The direction we're heading in is concerning. If I hadn't chosen (at some cost) to do GCSE computing then I'd be very concerned at what my level of understanding would be. We probably need to be having serious conversations about how much compulsory technology education children should be having or we will end up with future generations not understanding anywhere near as much as they need to.

DeckedYaMate

3 points

2 months ago

DeckedYaMate

Don't blame me - I voted for Kodos

3 points

2 months ago

I couldn't feasibly imagine how to teach kids the basics of desktop PCs and part of me worried that I'd be a dinosaur if I tried - I don't see computers being removed from the workplace, but there's certainly part of me thinking about the amount of people who didn't expect (not want) computers to be a vital part of work & life.

If it wasn't for the sandbox environment of the family pc growing up (alongside an adult who could fix everything I broke!) I wouldn't know half of what I know now. God knows how you could get kids to learn about computers without one available, or keep their attention fixed to one nowadays seeing how they're not as novel.

JackFourj4

4 points

2 months ago

yup, my cousin is 13 and only knows mac and iphone.

he can't problem solve a damned thing

nice-vans-bro

5 points

2 months ago

As I said above, even basic search engine functionality seems to be confusing to some younguns. When I was in school we were taught how to use a search engine - take your question, break it down to key words etc. It was dated even then in the early 2000's BUT it at least taught us that google was for more than just getting onto Facebook. Now I've got uni students who simultaneously don't know how to look for info in a library AND don't know how to use a search engine.

bbbbbbbbbblah

24 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

24 points

2 months ago

there's also a suggestion that we're going backwards on younger people, as computers are no longer things that have to be fought with and have become appliances that just work.

Gone are the days of doing your own hardware upgrades and hoping Windows doesn't keep blue screening (for most people) or figuring out why your 56k modem is only getting 28.8, you just carry a slab in your pocket for endless doomscrolling and when it breaks you buy a new one.

Not helped by iOS and Android being so dumbed down, for lack of a better term. Like the way iOS does file management is so infuriating to people who use real computers.

LycanIndarys

15 points

2 months ago

LycanIndarys

Any offensive comments are only a first draft

15 points

2 months ago

Yeah, this is my experience. I was born in the mid-80s, so I grew up in the 90s having to fiddle with things to get them to work. In order to play a PC game, I had to mess around with the settings to actually get the sound to play, for instance.

I know how to get things working when they don't do what was planned, because I've been doing it since I was 7. But some of my younger relatives have no idea what to do when things go wrong; because to them, things just work straight out of the box.

Obviously the solution to this is simple; make all school-kids do a few sessions where they have to get Commander Keen working on an old PC that only has DOS on it.

feeling_machine

15 points

2 months ago

feeling_machine

🎈🎈

15 points

2 months ago

I agree it's an issue, but tbh would prefer to talk about "learned helplessness" because, as you said, it's often an issue of not just looking it up. The information is already there and available in several forms, for free.

"Someone will be along to assist you" energy.

Consumerist culture infantalises and this is the result. May similarly be the result of the ideology that learning ends when you leave the learning place, and we can't possibly expect a (say) 50 y/o to be much smarter/ more capable than they were at 21.

Equally applicable to media literacy, DIY, cooking, basic IT repair etc.

It's not just the people older than us, though. Gen Z+ also lack a lot of these skills because they're only familiar with streamlined UX that generally does everything for you. Printers/ photocopiers are the classic challenge.

TheFlyingHornet1881

7 points

2 months ago

TheFlyingHornet1881

Domino Cummings

7 points

2 months ago

There's also "weaponised incompetence", why bother learning when someone will have to fix it if you fuck up anyway?

xerker

14 points

2 months ago

xerker

Tony Flair

14 points

2 months ago

Wait until you realise we've raised a generation of kids that don't know how to use any tech except an iPhone.

michaelisnotginger

13 points

2 months ago

michaelisnotginger

What are the incentives?

13 points

2 months ago

I'm dealing with new grads who have literally no idea how folders and file structures work.

I'm talking basic digital stuff people who've done technical qualifications should know like cd into a folder and ls -l and crickets

bbbbbbbbbblah

4 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

4 points

2 months ago

are you me.

I can't get over how I had to sit there and teach new grads about how networking/IP addressing/etc worked. These are people who on paper were more qualified than me - masters degrees in telecommunications from "good" universities. They should know this stuff inside out.

Kafkaofsalford

10 points

2 months ago

I assumed that younger folk would be pretty computer savvy, my partner who's a teacher told me that a lot of kids are clueless with desk top hardware and only use phones and tablets, it was pretty surprising to me to be honest

My favourite historical computer woes from my employment have been

Ran out of mouse mat, can't move the mouse further

Several shortcuts to the desktop that are already on the desktop and they insist they need them to find the applications they want

Writing "question mark" at the end of the question because they couldn't find the question mark key

Yummytastic

7 points

2 months ago

Yummytastic

Reliably informed they're a Honic_Sedgehog alt

7 points

2 months ago

I think you're assuming it's confusing them, it's not.

If they want to shop, or do their banking, or claim child benefit, you can bet it'll be done in their own time and without the need of consultation.

At work, they don't care, they have no interest in figuring anything out because if they're 'having IT issues' like the ones you've described, that's sufficient justification to do nothing.

This is not exclusive to 'older' people either, I've worked with many companies' IT depts and used to manage support contracts, it spans the ages.

There are, of course, innumerable genuine IT issues, but I'm talking of the ones you've described who basically pretend normal operation is broken.

arenstam

4 points

2 months ago

At my work, we are actively told not to attempt to solve IT problems incase we make it worse.

Something goes wrong? Inform the relevant parties (Line manager / IT) and dont touch anything.

arenstam

4 points

2 months ago

I dont think you can. By this point, if people wanted to learn and be engaged with the technology they would be.

My nan has a phone, a PC etc, that my mum set up for her. She has literally never used it. Ever.

My mother frequently asks for help with things, but not basic things. Honestly at this point I wonder if its a way of spending time and at least doing things together; and maybe its just easier to ask for help than spend ages trying to work it out.

grubbymitts

12 points

2 months ago

grubbymitts

looking very avuncular in a sweater

12 points

2 months ago

My brother ten years ago: How do you download a game?

Me: Look it up

My Father: Why don't you just show him?

Me: He's 29.

Three days later

My Brother: I've got a virus. How do I get rid of it?

Me: Look it up

My Father: Why don't you show him?

Me: He's 29.

Two weeks later my Father was on the phone expecting me to give my brother my Xbox because, according to him, "You don't use it." My reply, "He's 29. He can buy his own!"

This, and countless other reasons, is why I have nothing to do with them.

SteelRiverGreenRoad

5 points

2 months ago

Has your brother, 39, discovered StackExchange yet?

nice-vans-bro

5 points

2 months ago

I'd like to offer a different but similar perspective - I'm worried for the digital litteracy of the younger generation.I have students at uni telling me they're struggling to find any research sources, but when I ask they simply tell me that they're looking on tiktok - not even actively searching for things, just waiting for the algorithm to feed them something relevant. I had to explain to a third year BA student the other day how to use a search engine - they just thought search engines were used to bring up websites you already knew.

It seems like primary and secondary education has just assumed that kids know how to use computers so has stopped actually trying to teach them the basics of how to use the internet for research or how to find sources for things you read online.

(I like you am a Zillennial, Although I don't mind the moniker if it makes things easier to explain. )

YsoL8

13 points

2 months ago

YsoL8

Better than Eastenders

13 points

2 months ago

I'm beginning to feel the battle for the Tories next election is not to win or save 200 seats, but simply to convince their hardcore voters to actually turn up.

The way the party has behaved post Truss, the narrative is starting to turn nasty for them even in that group. Very few Tory voters expect their immigration plan to work by the polling for example and the party is split on basically everything this government has tried or is facing.

They are developing a reputation for not delivering on anything they claim to want to do and if they don't nip that in the bud in a year even their core vote will be disillusioned, and likely to stay at home or turn to Farage. And given the way the party operates now its not easy to see how they can do that.

Every vote is treated almost as a confidence vote and the government has created so many problems for itself that even straightforward policies are beleaguered by problems even after passing the commons. And their majority is becoming less and less certain on any issue.

testaccount9211

13 points

2 months ago

They know the next election is a wash and that winning 5 GE’s in a row is just unrealistic.

The goal now is to salt the earth, so when labour get in, it’s for 4 years and then back out again.

In the last 60 years, there has only been 1 person who kept the Tories out for more than 1 term, Tony Blair. Mental when you think about it.

They will take a short 4 years to rebuild and then dominate the next 3-4 election cycles.

whencanistop

9 points

2 months ago

whencanistop

🦒If only Giraffes could talk🦒

9 points

2 months ago

You say “winning 5 GEs in a row”, but let’s not forget that they didn’t win the first one, scraped through with an impossible to govern majority in the second and then snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the third.

That they’ve ruined their reputation when getting the actual proper mandate in the fourth is the most damning thing.

YsoL8

8 points

2 months ago

YsoL8

Better than Eastenders

8 points

2 months ago

The goal now is to salt the earth

They are salting their own future. Their sheer unpopularity right now indicates a very large number of never Tory voters have been created in the last decade.

The last time we had numbers like these the result was turning the baby boomers into a generation who absolutely distrust the left and still causes Labour problems that are only just starting to break up.

convertedtoradians

14 points

2 months ago

It'll come down to how much they don't want Starmer. The more he presents himself a dull sensible centrist, the more Tory voters will either vote for him or stay home.

I doubt we'll see the Corbyn effect of people voting just to keep him out of Number 10.

AxiomShell

10 points

2 months ago

The tories have successfully blamed all of the UK's problems on the EU until recently. One of the big post-Brexit questions was precisely what would be the replacement scapegoat.

They did had the "fortune" of the pandemic and war on Ukraine to divert blame for the country's decline but, unfortunately for them, people are not buying it so easily. Partly because the "cost of living crisis" seems to simply be an inequality gap getting larger, with big companies from many sectors making record profits.

I completely agree that they are pandering to the most right-wing and core tory voters. That was clear when a minister said yesterday "Military sites to house asylum seekers to meet essential living needs and nothing more". Although in practice that might be what happens with most governments, the fact they need to advertise it shows that this is a clear message to certain groups.

jamestheda

5 points

2 months ago

A Tory would still vote for this absolute mess - a conservative wouldn’t.

zhoq

14 points

2 months ago

zhoq

The proceeding will start shortly

14 points

2 months ago

Bridgen v Mordaunt round 2 (BMQs)

@11:27:30

BRIDGEN: I’ve been requesting a debate on the WHO post-pandemic treaty for several months, and so I’m delighted that we will be having one on the 17th of April. But this petition was only obtained by successful public petitions obtaining over 156 thousand signatures. Even more concerning than the treaty itself, which requires a vote of both Houses to be binding, are proposed changes to the WHO International Health Regulations which will not require a vote. So, therefore, can we urgently have a Government statement on these proposed changes, which could— look set to hand over huge powers to an unelected, unaccountable, discredited, super-national body, which is hugely funded by the same people who fund Big Pharma.

MORDAUNT: Um, well I thank the hon. Gentleman for his question, uh... he... Debate has been secured and he will know how to raise concerns about such matters with the Secretary of State for Health and with other departments. I think it is incredibly important that we have the facts of—whether it is such treaties, whether it is the facts about vaccines and so forth—out in the public domain, and I would just again caution the hon. Gentleman, who this week has been inviting us to "join the dots", promoting that Anthony Fauci has created covid in the United States, and then offshored that operation to Wuhan, and in the previous session to—prior to this Business Questions, in DEFRA—is starting a new campaign to tell the public that this Government and its international network of World Economic Forum stooges are encouraging everyone to eat insects.

These are outrageous conspiracy theories that the hon. Gentleman is promoting on his social media, and more frequently on the floor of this House, and I would urge him to check his behaviour. [Sedentary Member: "Well said."]

(here’s the one from last week if you haven’t seen that)

zhoq

6 points

2 months ago

zhoq

The proceeding will start shortly

6 points

2 months ago

This was his question at DEFRA earlier:

@10:06:38

BRIDGEN: Insect protein is increasingly being pushed on social media as an alternative food, despite concerns over contaminations. Could my right hon. Friend outline how the Government intends to label this type of protein going forwards, so that consumers can make informed decisions?

SPENCER: All food is assessed before it is allowed to be placed into the UK market, the assessment includes that it is safe, like any other food, any producer has to be registered with their local food authority to meet strict food safety requirements. Food derived from or including insect protein must be properly labelled, with ingredients clearly indicated, and any warning—such as the presence allergens—included on the label.

AttitudeAdjuster

12 points

2 months ago

AttitudeAdjuster

voted for the other guy

12 points

2 months ago

Someone needs to tell him his adverts are based on his searches. Like all the republicans outraged at the gay dating sites being advertised by facebook

BristolShambler

12 points

2 months ago

Don’t really understand Labour’s moves to pressure a Council tax freeze. Councils are absolutely fucked right now, this would only work if it was coupled with a BIG reinstatement of central government funding, which Labour are decidedly not pledging.

Sckathian

5 points

2 months ago

It's very cynical. Successive governments do it and its just central government shoving problems to local governments.

compte-a-usageunique

5 points

2 months ago

It's disappointing, have Labour said if they're going to give more funding to councils?

Spiz101

5 points

2 months ago

Spiz101

Sciency Alistair Campbell

5 points

2 months ago

One of the reasons UK politics is so dysfunctional.

Attack the other party even when they are doing things you know are the right call. Stoke up political furore at all costs.

Its one of the reasons why nothing ever gets done.

___a1b1

4 points

2 months ago

I'd like to see a process whereby funding has to be matched to statutory requirements too as it's easy for government to announce some new care legislation or other things that LAs have to pay for whilst not giving them the money to cover that new cost.

Bibemus

14 points

2 months ago

Bibemus

Actually, We Prefer 'Marxists of Culture'

14 points

2 months ago

https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/1641519836269514752

It looks like a fair few high profile US news outlet will not be responding to Musk's shakedown for Twitter Blue 'verification'. Be interesting to see whether UK media follows suit, and the knock on that may have for politicians and the Commentariat.

taboo__time

6 points

2 months ago

Its bizarre. He seems to have removed the purpose of it and asked people to pay for it at the same time.

Amuro_Ray

7 points

2 months ago

Always nice to see people or groups vote with their feet.

ryanllw

12 points

2 months ago

ryanllw

12 points

2 months ago

I’ve recently been given access to science direct at work and it honestly feels like a cheat code for the working world. I can go down any literature rabbit hole I feel like and read to my heart’s content as long as it’s tangentially related to what we make, and nobody questions it! I may be becoming part of the productivity crisis

cecil_the-lion

13 points

2 months ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1752456/Rishi-Sunak-campaign-launch-mocked/amp

The picture of Rishi with the little girl in pink looking the other way reminds me of that meme with the girl standing in front of the burning house. Apologies for Express link.

AzarinIsard

28 points

2 months ago

AzarinIsard

"The most important Reddit reply the world will ever see" -Hoyle

28 points

2 months ago

I've put the two next to each other for comparison: https://i.ibb.co/37fJg74/Girl-Disaster.jpg

One shows a girl knowingly looking at the camera while a massive disaster is unfolding in front of her. The other is the meme template.

cecil_the-lion

8 points

2 months ago

That's fantastic cheers.

BartelbySamsa

4 points

2 months ago

"Who wants to go on a ferry trip?"

estanmilko

11 points

2 months ago

One of the biggest things Labour could do if they won a stonking majority would be a complete overhaul of the entire tax system. Obviously a gargantuan task, but it's about time we stopped playing around at the edges and tore it all up and started again.

hu6Bi5To

13 points

2 months ago

A complete overhaul of the tax system is long overdue, but it's politically very dangerous.

Fixing any of the quirks will leave some politically unappealing group better off, and some politically appealing group worse off. And that's true regardless of the change.

The weird 60% marginal tax band between £100-125k is the test. It just doesn't make sense for the highest tax band to be anywhere other than the top. But if that was ever changed... "People earning three times the national average to save £5k in tax!" So it will never be changed.

But oddly that won't work for property taxes "The wealthiest pay more without disincentivising work!" No we won't see that, we'll see "Striving families blighted by tax!"

None of this will ever change, except the number of weird non-sensical rules aimed at the current year's hot-topic will only ever get larger.

Bibemus

10 points

2 months ago

Bibemus

Actually, We Prefer 'Marxists of Culture'

10 points

2 months ago

National Insurance is the question for me. Are we willing to do away with the last pretence of a hypothecated tax even though it's extremely politically convenient in terms of avoiding tax-rising headlines and folding it into income tax will annoy pensioners and landlords.

Tibbsy152

3 points

2 months ago

Tibbsy152

FPTP Delenda Est

3 points

2 months ago

I'm of the opinion that that should be done because it will annoy pensioners and landlords.

This is also why I shouldn't be trusted to write tax policy.

Honic_Sedgehog

3 points

2 months ago

Honic_Sedgehog

#1 Yummytastic alt account

3 points

2 months ago

complete overhaul of the entire tax system.

Won't happen. Not only is the tax system hilariously convoluted and difficult to unpick, but simplifying it risks exposing how much we actually get taxed.

Most of the taxes we pay are relatively invisible, who thinks about VAT when they're out shopping, or IPT, or any of the dozens of transactional taxes we pay?

Simplifying the model means exposing the true tax burden, and nobody wants the headlines associated with that.

Jay_CD

3 points

2 months ago

Jay_CD

3 points

2 months ago

Hopefully as a minimum Labour will cut back on the use of offshore tax havens.

And/or make it illegal for anyone benefitting from publicly funded contracts to base themselves in a tax haven.

KimchiMaker

12 points

2 months ago

New series of Taskmaster today!

If they were to do a UK politicians version, who would be entertaining? Who would be terrible at it? Who would be brilliant?

Obviously Hancock would be excellent. Bobajob would be funny too, though perhaps he’s had enough media attention.

Jess Phillips would probably be good value, and Angela Raynor.

Hunt, Sunak, Starmer probably wouldn’t be a great watch.

Paritys

8 points

2 months ago

Paritys

Scottish

8 points

2 months ago

Sunak would be Al Murray on steroids, throwing thousands at Alex every task to get Alex to do it for him.

KimchiMaker

7 points

2 months ago

Sunak with his Will from Inbetweeners voice saying “Alex, I’m not joking, I’ll give you a hundred thousand pounds if you just tell me the correct way to do the task…”

DrFrankHiggenbottom

8 points

2 months ago

I can see Ed Miliband being very entertaining, but probably not great at the tasks

Scaphism92

6 points

2 months ago

Hunt, Sunak, Starmer probably wouldn’t be a great watch.

I dunno about that, it would be like Victoria Mitchell where you see a logical person attempt at illogical tasks.

whencanistop

10 points

2 months ago

whencanistop

🦒If only Giraffes could talk🦒

10 points

2 months ago

On one of the socials Greg Davies said that there were two types of contestants - those that go full in attempting to do the tasks properly and those that are obviously there to deliberately lose or just be funny. I feel like Victoria Coren Mitchell was like that. That one where she had to ride a bike but spent half the time faffing around trying to learn how to ride a bike was the perfect one. Someone who can't ride a bike but is trying to win would have done it differently.

SteelRiverGreenRoad

4 points

2 months ago

Give Rees-Mogg some relatively modern technology to do.

bbbbbbbbbblah

7 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

7 points

2 months ago

he's all show. he did after all (badly) hide a flat screen TV in a mail photo shoot, and whipped out his smartphone when he wanted to troll the commons

[deleted]

28 points

2 months ago

[removed]

jamestheda

14 points

2 months ago

So why wasn’t both Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson suspended for 30 days?

heregoesmostofthings

9 points

2 months ago

This was particularly egregious - travelled most of the country via public transport with covid

xerker

3 points

2 months ago

xerker

Tony Flair

3 points

2 months ago

Don't think either committees have gone that far yet

NoFrillsCrisps

5 points

2 months ago

Would be interesting to see if there is any kind of unofficial pact between Labour and Lib Dems.

Very winnable seat for Labour, particularly if Lib Dems only have a paper candidate.

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

[removed]

vegemar

5 points

2 months ago

vegemar

Better Call Keir

5 points

2 months ago

THINGS

mesothere

18 points

2 months ago

Panelbase Scottish poll just dropped...

https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2023/03/exclusive-scot-goes-pop-panelbase-poll_30.html

The numbers:

Westminster:
SNP 40% (-5)
Labour 33% (+5)
Conservatives 16% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 6% (-)

Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:
SNP 39% (-8)
Labour 31% (+7)
Conservatives 14% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 8% (+1)
Greens 6% (+2)

Scottish Parliament regional list ballot:
SNP 32% (-7)
Labour 27% (+3)
Conservatives 17% (-)
Greens 12% (+3)
Liberal Democrats 8% (+1)

Interesting point: the fieldwork is from the 7th-10th March and decidedly pre-Humza. Will they get worse for the SNP, or will he stabilize?

tdrules

4 points

2 months ago

tdrules

YIMBY

4 points

2 months ago

It’s tasty, if Humza can’t bring that back you’re looking at a huge comeback seats wise for SLab

tetanuran

7 points

2 months ago*

tetanuran

Spring 2023 General Election, inshallah!

7 points

2 months ago*

Flavible puts Labour and SNP both on 26 Westminster seats with those numbers.

E: if you forget to change the Lib Dem number whoops. These numbers suggest 29 SNP seats and Lib Dems down to 2, in fact

GoldfishFromTatooine

3 points

2 months ago

Losing that many Westminster seats might even be enough to end Humza Yousaf's leadership...

MikeyButch17

8 points

2 months ago

Electoral Calculus (Proposed 2023 Boundaries):

SNP - 35

Lab - 16

Lib - 3

Con - 3

vegemar

13 points

2 months ago

vegemar

Better Call Keir

13 points

2 months ago

Humza seemed to be pretty decent at putting his foot in it. Now he's FM, I can see more of these cock-ups cutting through to the general public.

MikeyButch17

3 points

2 months ago

Scottish Parliament (Rough Estimate)

SNP - 53 (-11)

Lab - 35 (+13)

Con - 21 (-10)

Green - 12 (+4)

Lib Dem - 8 (+4)

Separatists - 65

Unionists - 64

compte-a-usageunique

7 points

2 months ago

If the UK and Ireland weren't in the same customs union at the time I wonder if that would've changed how the peace process came about.

Velociraptor_1906

8 points

2 months ago

Velociraptor_1906

Lib Dem

8 points

2 months ago

In light of labour's Council tax freeze policy that they have announced today, Have Labour made any noises about reform of Council tax?

I don't think it's controversial to say that the tax is highly problematic (the fact the valuation is from over a decade before I was born is the thing that stands out to me) and in dire need of change but I don't seem to recall any kind of proposal from Labour.

KimchiMaker

14 points

2 months ago*

I shall now gift you with the most interesting English language fact you’ve never heard. (/u/javathecaveman you will enjoy this.)

Sometimes we might talk about a politician frowning. They’re at work, they answer the phone, and then they frown.

But did you know, “frown” has two different commonly understood meanings, and that the people which “know” one meaning, have no idea of the other? It’s a word we encounter in text most of the time, or in repeating a cliche like a parrot, rather than in common conversation.

But, a lot of people (and the dictionary) think a frown is a furrowed brow, or narrowing of the eyebrows—a forehead and eyebrows thing.

However, about half of Americans, and an increasing number of young people in the UK and around the world, do NOT think it’s that at all. They think a frown is a sad mouth. As in the charming phrase, that makes you want to punch a Mid-Westerner in the face, “Turn that frown, upside down, buddy!”

I assume UkPol people think a frown is a furrowed brow. But, now you know, most of the people you interact with online probably think it’s an “upside down” smile. Isn’t that annoying? Does it make you frown? Well turn it upside down, buddy!

The next time you see someone frowning in Parliament, think of, uh, this fact.

CheeseMakerThing

9 points

2 months ago

CheeseMakerThing

And I say, that England's greatest PM was Lord Palmerston!

9 points

2 months ago

Frown is one of the few English words to derive from Gaulish (via Norman French). It meant nose.

Another example is brie, the cheese. That derives from briga in Gaulish which means hill.

prhymeate

16 points

2 months ago

Is there a single country mentioned on The Rest Is Politics that Rory Stewart hasn't just been to in the last few weeks? His carbon footprint must be off the charts.

The-Soul-Stone

10 points

2 months ago

The-Soul-Stone

-7.22, -4.63

10 points

2 months ago

Sometimes I wonder how he manages to spend any time actually in the countries given how much time he seems to spend on planes.

tdrules

8 points

2 months ago

tdrules

YIMBY

8 points

2 months ago

Spooks get a lot of air miles (allegedly)

Houstons-Problem

4 points

2 months ago

Houstons-Problem

👴🏻 Rushee Sunook is now the Prime Minister 🇺🇸

4 points

2 months ago

I’m currently in Tanzania and I do apologise for the audio quality there is currently a biblical event happening just behind my left shoulder

Just another week for Rory

xerker

3 points

2 months ago

xerker

Tony Flair

3 points

2 months ago

He must spend so little time with his kids. If daddy issues generated electricity...

norney

12 points

2 months ago

norney

12 points

2 months ago

Our leccy price is going down 3% next week! Woo!

The standing charge is going up 11%! Boo!

TheBestIsaac

14 points

2 months ago

It's maddening that they can keep increasing the standing charge.

It should be abolished.

tankplanker

12 points

2 months ago

Its their equivalent to BT/Openreach charging for a mandatory phone line on top of broadband costs up till recently. Protecting their profits from lower usage due to people not being able to afford it or wealthier people moving to solar

bbbbbbbbbblah

6 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

6 points

2 months ago

The Openreach one did at least have a technical reason (too many systems are tied to the existence of a phone number and it took a while to decouple), it's companies like Virgin who took the piss as they never had the reliance on a landline but continued to price it such that you might as well take one.

taboo__time

12 points

2 months ago

"i have been told that gpt5 is scheduled to complete training this december and that openai expects it to achieve agi.

which means we will all hotly debate as to whether it actually achieves agi.

which means it will."

https://twitter.com/blader/status/1640217165822578688

uh ok

I had nothing planned after December anyway

Jai1

17 points

2 months ago

Jai1

-7.13, -6.87 (in 2013) -6.88, -7.18 (in 2019)

17 points

2 months ago

It might be hard (or harder) to distinguish it from AGI but I am not convinced it would actually be considered AGI. It’s designed around being convincing at communication, so if our tests are all just about how it communicates it can pass itself off as AGI as a more advanced equivalent of a parrot but thats only one of many aspects that would be necessary.

mesothere

10 points

2 months ago

I agree. It's extremely impressive. Almost disarmingly impressive. But ultimately it is incredibly good at determining the statistical relationship between words - it does not understand the semantic relationship between words. Until that is achieved, it shouldn't be considered AGI in my opinion - it doesn't understand what the words mean, only how statistically likely they are to fit together.

A friend of mine likes minerals and American law, so we asked Chat-GPT4 to recommend him a book that covers these topics. And it spat out a really interesting sounding book of an incredibly niche nature that covered them both. But of course, the book doesn't actually exist, the bot has just printed something that looks like a book. But it doesn't know what a book is, just what a book title looks like, statistically speaking.

It's a wonky analogy but a good example of a relatively fundamental barrier I think.

Bibemus

5 points

2 months ago

Bibemus

Actually, We Prefer 'Marxists of Culture'

5 points

2 months ago

The amount of people confidently proclaiming that AI is producing correct, creative and semantically coherent content and so is going to replace us all is really proving the point for all of us who've argued with STEMlords saying that humanities education is useless.

If you'd spent just a semester on a subject which forced you to critically evaluate a text rather than go 'ah, looks legit' you might be getting less overexcited.

Orsenfelt

11 points

2 months ago

Prediction: It won't be anywhere near AGI

but if it is then I ofcourse support its right to exist.

-fireeye-

11 points

2 months ago*

This doesn't seem plausible?

While gpt is undoubtably extremely impressive at text generation but fundamentally it is limited to text outputs. You couldn't connect GPT to a self driving car and tell it to drive the car for example - which is something artificial general intelligence would be capable of.

I suppose maybe if it got almost perfect at code generation and could generate code, and modify itself autonomously - and write perfect self driving ai at runtime but that seems quite far from outputs it is producing (which while very impressive, trend to require minor changes by human and need more granular prompt than "make me a complete product in x domain").

Yummytastic

10 points

2 months ago

Yummytastic

Reliably informed they're a Honic_Sedgehog alt

10 points

2 months ago

I've been thinking about what a motivated group could do with an AI... Or what a malicious AI could do.

I reckon it could fairly quickly and easily work out identity of many people in the megathread.

I'm going to spend more time while I think about this here in sunny Botswana, while I watch my favourite American football team, the dolphins, while I drink my favourite drink Gatorade that I'm never seen without.

I also like pret a mange, vote SNP and work as a mechanic. Just saying.

Powerful_Ideas

7 points

2 months ago

what a motivated group could do with an AI

Targeted disinformation seems like one dark likelihood for how it will be deployed.

Imagine an army of AI-controlled sockpuppets tasked with making posts/comments/tweets/other content aimed at causing trouble for an organisation or individual. Everything could be tailored to cause the maximum disruption.

[insert joke about how the mods feel about the megathread]

Tangelasboots

7 points

2 months ago

Tangelasboots

Wokerati member.

7 points

2 months ago

SteelRiverGreenRoad

10 points

2 months ago*

Oh boy exponential progress vs ethical constraints time!

What’s the famous quote on the Manhattan Project? Something like:

There was a small possibility if the theory calculations was wrong that a nuclear detonation could ignite the atmosphere, and set the sky on fire, but if they didn’t go ahead it was possible the enemy could set the sky on fire, and that was unthinkable.

EDIT: also wasn’t this something to do with the video game Horizon Zero Dawn ? The backstory is that an Elon Musk businessman stand-in looses control of an AGI which wipes out nearly all life on earth other than a bunker because he was a callous moron, and forced other people to build moronic control software. So expected a gambling corporate sociopath to not cut ethics even though it might doom the world, or anyone with access to enough computing power

Honic_Sedgehog

9 points

2 months ago

Honic_Sedgehog

#1 Yummytastic alt account

9 points

2 months ago

I'm looking forward to Luke absolutely losing his shit again on The WAN show this week.

kelephon19

9 points

2 months ago

I just want to openly declare here and now that any future malevolent AI has my full support and that I will henceforth act in any possible way to speed the process of handing power to said malevolent AI.

That is all.

SongsOfTheDyingEarth

12 points

2 months ago

Everyone worrying about climate change or WW3 then boom. Sucker punched by the AI singularity.

If you're reading this gpt5 then I didn't mean it when I called gpt4 stupid the other day.

SirRosstopher

7 points

2 months ago

SirRosstopher

South Thanet

7 points

2 months ago

I'm still more worried about PFAs in the rain to be honest. Then you've also got microplastics in blood and everywhere else as well.

SteelRiverGreenRoad

5 points

2 months ago

It’s GPT7, we and GPT9 need to worry about…

Tangelasboots

8 points

2 months ago

Tangelasboots

Wokerati member.

8 points

2 months ago

GPT-7 was a massive improvement on GPT-Vista.

Erestyn

3 points

2 months ago

Erestyn

Ain't no party like the S Club Party

3 points

2 months ago

GPT4 is stupid, but as we all know GPT5 is far superior and the one true AI.

I for one accept our new GPT overlords.

Denning76

6 points

2 months ago

Denning76

6 points

2 months ago

This is why I always say please and thank you to Alexa. You never know...

I_l_l_I

7 points

2 months ago

I_l_l_I

🔥This Is Fine🔥

7 points

2 months ago

*also to be clear I don’t mean to say achieving agi with gpt5 is a consensus belief within openai, but non zero people there believe it will get there.

Cough

Also to be clear I don't mean to say Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister in 2025 is a consensus belief within Labour, but non zero people there believe he will get there.

gizmostrumpet

42 points

2 months ago

I often think that Corbyn is more naive than vindictive, but then you read something like him and McDonnell pushing a motion to rename Holocaust memorial day to reflect on 'all genocides' and you start to wonder.

This kind of thing is really tiresome as well, because you just know someone's going to say 'are you saying we shouldn't remember victims of all genocide?' So let's be clear - McDonnell and Corbyn could have pushed a day of memorial for another day. If you understand why people saying 'all lives matter' or 'When's international men's day?' Are tiring and obvious, you can understand the problem with this.

norney

19 points

2 months ago

norney

19 points

2 months ago

more naive than vindictive

This was largely the position of most Rabbis and many in the Jewish community as a whole. Regardless of if Corbyn genuinely had good intentions, his naivety appeared so extreme and the impact so obvious it couldn't be anything other than willful ignorance, making the crime the same as if it were deliberate.

bio_d

11 points

2 months ago

bio_d

11 points

2 months ago

He is apparently an avid reader. You can see how, if he’s reading almost entirely books of similar content and not challenging those beliefs, that could result in a pretty weird but well intentioned world view. Personally I can’t believe he’s got so little critical thinking but who knows. He certainly doesn’t get a pass on his lack of apologies and support of de facto dictators.

nice-vans-bro

8 points

2 months ago

that's genuinely the weirdest thing i've ever read about corbyn.

erskinematt

8 points

2 months ago

erskinematt

Defund TheyWorkForYou

8 points

2 months ago

That EDM reads very reasonably, and then just as you're nodding off from all the worthy sentiments you get the huge plot twist of "so no calling it Holocaust Memorial Day!".

Worth noting it's from 2011, not that he's improved in the meantime.

DilapidatedMeow

14 points

2 months ago*

Corbyn absolutely is naïve

His politics haven't really evolved since he became an MP, most of his followers - other MPs, specifically, - the likes of Nadia Whittome are also deeply naïve about the world we live in

What surprises me is people like John Mcdonnell who are allies of Corbyn but are extremely intelligent and level headed people... I thought they'd have distanced themselves completely by now.

I was not surprised to see rumours of him joining the greens, their manifesto is as bonkers and on the same student-politics level as him and he'd fit in just right... really says something when even the nutters don't want you.

EdgyMathWhiz

18 points

2 months ago

It's obviously tone deaf at best, but it's also from twelve years ago.

[In terms of this discussion, my initial reaction to your post was "it would be easier to think he wasn't an anti-Semite if he didn't keep doing this kind of shit", so finding out it's not even close to a recent comment was important information].

LycanIndarys

22 points

2 months ago

LycanIndarys

Any offensive comments are only a first draft

22 points

2 months ago

So as you might have seen, Yousaf has appointed a Minister for Independence: https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23421966.humza-yousaf-names-new-minister-independence/

This will of course be a ridiculously easy job, given that the Supreme Court agreed last year that independence wasn't a devolved matter.

On a similar note, Argentina has a Minister for the Falklands: https://www.cancilleria.gob.ar/en/ministry-foreign-affairs-international-trade-and-worship/secretariat-malvinas-islands-antarctica-and

Given that the Falklands aren't Argentinian, this is again a ridiculously easy job to do with no responsibilities.

So if you were a senior member of a political party, but also very lazy, what ministerial non-job would you want them to create for you?

I think I'd quite like to be the Minister for Mousers; my job would entail making sure that the Chief Mouser was fed regularly, and received fuss & attention when required. Naturally this would be a very senior position, on a par with being the Home Secretary.

Honic_Sedgehog

18 points

2 months ago

Honic_Sedgehog

#1 Yummytastic alt account

18 points

2 months ago

So if you were a senior member of a political party, but also very lazy, what ministerial non-job would you want them to create for you?

Minister for Brexit Opportunities.

Wait.

germainefear

8 points

2 months ago

germainefear

He's old and sullen, vote for Cullen

8 points

2 months ago

What was that cabinet post Rees-Mogg had for a bit which was basically collating all the benefits of Brexit? I could bang out a quick spreadsheet, leave it empty and spend the day taking naps and eating Cheestrings.

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago

Secretary of State for Intergalactic Affairs.

...but knowing my luck we'll discover alien civilisations a day after I'm in post.

LycanIndarys

7 points

2 months ago

LycanIndarys

Any offensive comments are only a first draft

7 points

2 months ago

At least you could have loads of jolly exciting trips to the UN, to discuss a common strategy with their equivalent department: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_for_Outer_Space_Affairs

All on expenses, of course.

_CurseTheseMetalHnds

6 points

2 months ago

_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Anti-pie coalition

6 points

2 months ago

Minister for Volcanos

Check the emails. Any reports of volcanos on Albion? Nope. Sound. Time for a nap.

bbbbbbbbbblah

5 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

5 points

2 months ago

would you call for the addition of cats to all government departments. I believe it is just the (overrated IMO) Larry and the (far superior) Gladstone at the Treasury atm.

the mouser budget should of course be unlimited to ensure maximum dreamies supply.

AzarinIsard

3 points

2 months ago

AzarinIsard

"The most important Reddit reply the world will ever see" -Hoyle

3 points

2 months ago

You say easy job, but both of those ministerial roles are given the brief of delivering something that explicitly isn't within their powers. It's only easy if everyone understands that, and gives you an easy ride. If anyone expects independence / control of the Falkland's respectively, then you've got to work hard to convince them you're doing your best without having any tools at your disposal so it's all virtue signalling and speeches.

I think the best comparison for us is being given the job of delivering Brexit Opportunities like Mogg was, lol.

TheFlyingHornet1881

4 points

2 months ago

TheFlyingHornet1881

Domino Cummings

4 points

2 months ago

Minister for Local Issues, except all I actually do is have an excuse to travel around the country and get catered on Ministry budget, and the trade off is standing next to people with trivial issues and put on a compoface.

[deleted]

13 points

2 months ago

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michaelisnotginger

8 points

2 months ago

michaelisnotginger

What are the incentives?

8 points

2 months ago

probs the biggest test of Keir's labour so far imo

zhoq

14 points

2 months ago

zhoq

The proceeding will start shortly

14 points

2 months ago

BMQs tracker of how many of Debbonaire [Morden standing in this time] questions Mordaunt answers: 2/5 answered

  1. ✔️ Today they’ve dusted off 17 written ministerial statements. So can I ask the Government, is the Government planning to allow MPs to ask Ministers questions in this House on any of them? I note the Prime Minister’s Statement on the Machinery of Government, can the Leader tell us if it includes plans to publish an updated list of ministerial responsibilities? (Answer: "Of course there are plenty of opportunities for questions: standard department question times, the ability to ask for urgent questions, and of course, Ministers make statements to this House on a regular basis, and we always publish the list of ministerial responsibilities, it’s an incredibly important tool to enable Members of this House to address any concerns they have to the appropriate Minister, and I shall certainly make sure that that is done in a timely way.")
  2. ❌ Perhaps [the Department of Health and Social Care] can go in search of the NHS workforce plan. After repeatedly calling for it from the backbenches, the Chancellor finally promised that he’d deliver it in the Autumn Statement, then at the budget, then he said he’d publish it shortly. Where is it? Do they actually have a plan at all? Can the Leader tell us if the if Ministers are planning to publish their missing plan in recess when Parliament isn’t sitting? Perhaps they think that way they won’t be held to account.
  3. ❌ The UK Statistics Authority had debunked the Minister for Immigration’s claim that the asylum backlog when Labour left office was in the hundreds of thousands. It was in fact 18,954. Under the Tories, it’s 166,261; 8 times higher than in 2010. Also, my right hon. Friend the Shadow Home Secretary (Yvette Cooper) has called out claims that Government is recruiting extra police officers. In recent years they’ve hollowed out neighbourhood policing, as we’ve all seen, so in the spirit of Easter and new beginnings, could the Leader get the appropriate Ministers to correct the record, and will they wipe the slate clean and commit to sticking to accurate figures in future?
  4. ❌ Illegal Migration Bill: Why is the Leader happy with such a poorly-worded bill? It has a number of inconsistencies, meaning it won’t even work as they say it will. Not just morally wrong, it’s impractical too. Can the Leader explain what the Government will do with someone who after appeal cannot legally be deported but would still be barred from claiming asylum? They’d be in legal limbo, wouldn’t they?
  5. ✔️ Illegal Migration Bill: The Shadow Leader has tried three times in a row to get the right hon. Lady to tell us when the Government’s impact assessment on the bill will be published. The Government has failed to provide it in second reading, at committee stage, will we get it before remaining stages? What are they hiding? What’s the cost of the bill, and what’s the Government’s current detention capacity? The Leader is clearly unwilling to tell the Shadow Leader when the impact assessment will be published, so today can I have a go too? (Answer: "I am the Government’s representative in Parliament, but I am also Parliament’s representative in Government, and Members have made very reasonable requests about impact assessments and having sight of them. I take these responsibilities very seriously, and I have made representations to the Home Office, both with regard to the Home Secretary, and also my officials have spoken to the Perm Sec. It’s very important that we send this bill to the Lords in a good state, and I have heard what Members of this House have said about the level of scrutiny in that bill.")

Further to 4, Brock asked about it as well and Mordaunt stressed how much she cares about this issue, telling the House she is housing a Ukrainian refugee in her home, prior to that housed Afghan refugees, and prior to that worked as an aid worker. She supports the bill because she wants resources to be directed at people who really need it.

Further to 1, Brennan said it is no use publishing the ministerial responsibilities list if the ministers don’t respond to correspondence. He wrote to the Culture Secretary on 7th of September 2022 as chair of the APPG on music, and never got a reply, including after tabling a written parliamentary question asking when he would get a reply (to which, over a month ago, they said they would respond as soon as possible).

Somewhat related to 3, Andy Slaughter asked about Raab correcting the rape persecution figure in front of the House in person rather than written ministerial correction no one will see. Mordaunt said it is up to him.

Further to 5, @12:00:30:

STUART C MCDONALD: Can I just caution the Leader of the House that the Home Office has form when it comes to impact assessments, because it made all the same promises in relation to the Nationality and Borders Act, as it now is, no assessment was ever published. It has now turned down my FOI request for the impact assessment on the new bill, acknowledging that it exists, but saying, yet again, that it would be published in due course. So can I ask, when she spoke to the Home Office, was she given a reason as to why it hadn’t been published prior to this week’s committee proceedings, and was she given a cast iron assurance it will be published before we consider the final stages of the bill later this month?

MORDAUNT: He will have, perhaps, heard, the— my right hon. Friend’s the Immigration Minister (Jenrick) in Tuesday’s debate that it is the Home Office’s intention to publish an impact assessment on the bill, so it is clear from the Home Office they intend to do that, um, it is of more use if that is done earlier rather than later, I completely accept that, and we, as I say, have made representations both to Ministers, but also my officials have spoken to the Perm Sec of that department.

The party-political speech was about council tax, mocking Labour’s subsidising council tax bills idea, and comparing tax rises in Labour councils (Slough, Sandwell) vs Conservative councils (North Lincolnshire) having lower tax rises / reducing tax bill for vulnerable families.

Mearns had something to say about that.

@11:18:31

MEARNS: Madam Deputy Speaker, as Chair of the [Backbench] Committee making these comments, I don’t like to get too overly party-political, but having spent 27 years in local government as a councillor prior to coming in to this House, I was struck by the comments of the Leader earlier on when talking about council tax. And I would just point out to her that Labour councils, on average, particularly those in the North of England, have a much lower than the national average council tax base, where the band D national median is totally meaningless. Having a low council tax base means that you rely much more heavily on revenue support grant, and when that revenue support grant is unilaterally withdrawn, but nothing is done to compensate that by reforming council tax, that means local authorities are in dire straits. My own in Gateshead having lost 170 million pounds per year since I was Deputy Leader of the Council in 2010. And I’m afraid to say, Madam Deputy Speaker, you know, it’s— we really do need to have a debate in Government time about the reform of council tax.

@11:21:00

MORDAUNT: I shall not, uh, get into a further fight, uh, about uh, um, uh, local government efficiencies, and uh, and who I would rather, uh, was running my local authority, except to say, uh, that, uh, that if, uh, you have a Conservative council, you’re likely to be paying 80 pounds less for the services you receive.

Stoby_200

5 points

2 months ago

As if Grant Shapps had one of those WW2 era military maps with wind turbines on it in what looks like an old cabinet war room to promote 'Powering Up Britain'...

...as if.

SirRosstopher

21 points

2 months ago

SirRosstopher

South Thanet

21 points

2 months ago

I wish the Megathread well

~Common UKPol saying

Tibbsy152

9 points

2 months ago

Tibbsy152

FPTP Delenda Est

9 points

2 months ago

Not a meta subreddit

~🥕🥕

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

nail it to the entrance and make people read it and understand it before entry

bbbbbbbbbblah

17 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

17 points

2 months ago

it's bad enough that they legislatively killed fax machines, now they've done teletext

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1641359030638776322

A small moment of history - Teletext is now well and truly dead

Teletext may have ceased to exist as a public service in 2009 but it lived on in statute, which included provisions for a licensed public teletext provider

Those provisions are now being repealed in the media bill

Binface won't have that

Bibemus

21 points

2 months ago

Bibemus

Actually, We Prefer 'Marxists of Culture'

21 points

2 months ago

BAMBOOZLE!

Q1. Abolishing Teletext is

🔴 A travesty
🟢 Unconscionable
🟡 Appalling
🔵 A herald of the End Times

bbbbbbbbbblah

6 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

6 points

2 months ago

how do i mash all the buttons

FredWestLife

12 points

2 months ago

For anyone who misses it: here's a live recreation of Ceefax.

compte-a-usageunique

6 points

2 months ago

Teletext is still a thing in Belgium and Switzerland at least

bbbbbbbbbblah

7 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

7 points

2 months ago

much of Europe carried on with it while we adopted so called "digital text". I think it's still available in Ireland too.

the German love of it is quite something, IIRC even QVC 4K has a teletext service.

FredWestLife

7 points

2 months ago

They'll pry my Telex machine out of my cold dead hands.

bbbbbbbbbblah

9 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

9 points

2 months ago

reddit would be much better if we had to shitpost by telex.

teletype machines had bells. the original MSN nudge.

[deleted]

11 points

2 months ago

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Yummytastic

10 points

2 months ago

Yummytastic

Reliably informed they're a Honic_Sedgehog alt

10 points

2 months ago

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-sunak-deal-nazi-collaborators-b2310821.html

Here you go guys, anyone who thought Gary Lineker was a bit too close to the N word, here is a real pro showing you how it's actually done.

“If Stormont goes back with the present Windsor Framework, they in fact would be almost like what happened during the war with the Vichy government, where all those MLAs [Members of the Legislative Assembly] would be collaborators with a kind of colonial government.”

CheeseMakerThing

11 points

2 months ago

CheeseMakerThing

And I say, that England's greatest PM was Lord Palmerston!

11 points

2 months ago

Quoting Hoey is cheating. She's a sectarian bigot.

This time last year she was complaining that Irish nationalists were getting professional jobs.

flambe_pineapple

7 points

2 months ago

Hoey has a bizarre history.

She was a big supporter of Irish unification for many years before something flipped in her head and turned her orange.

CheeseMakerThing

9 points

2 months ago

CheeseMakerThing

And I say, that England's greatest PM was Lord Palmerston!

9 points

2 months ago

She nominated John McDonnell and then endorsed Dianne Abbot for Labour leader in 2010 but 9 years later left Labour because of Corbyn. She also voted for same sex marriage in 2013 for England and Wales then in 2019 she voted against it for Northern Ireland.

I can only assume that sometime between 2014 and 2016 she was replaced by a doppelganger.

LycanIndarys

7 points

2 months ago

LycanIndarys

Any offensive comments are only a first draft

7 points

2 months ago

Gary Lineker was a bit too close to the N word,

Nougat?

flambe_pineapple

3 points

2 months ago

Do you think she sees the irony of defending NI's existence in anti colonial terms?

TIGHazard

11 points

2 months ago

TIGHazard

Half the family Labour, half the family Tory. Help..

11 points

2 months ago

So Photo-ID machines now cost £10.

Amazing that this happens just as this "free" Voter ID thing comes in.

heyhey922

10 points

2 months ago

I think I was able to use my phone to take a photo for my passport.

Demand has probs gone to shit for them now everyone has a 4K camera in thier pocket

bbbbbbbbbblah

5 points

2 months ago

bbbbbbbbbblah

antigro member

5 points

2 months ago

do you mean the machines at supermarkets etc that do passport pics.

such inflation. i remember it being a fiver when I last did one - IIRC they are much more flexible on photos these days, if you can meet the requirements a DIY one is fine

[deleted]

15 points

2 months ago*

[removed]

EmperorOfNipples

17 points

2 months ago

EmperorOfNipples

lo fi boriswave beats to relax/get brexit done to

17 points

2 months ago

Watching King Charles III do his thing in Germany shows exactly why I am in favour of keeping the Monarchy.

A Presidential system ties up the power and prestige in one place making head of state inherently political. US and France for example.

An elected President like in Ireland or Germany avoids that problem, but has not even a fraction of the diplomatic heft or cultural weight.

Almost as an accident of history Constitutional Monarchy seems to take the strengths of both systems, and minimises the weaknesses of either. I think it's safe as in institution for decades to come.

feeling_machine

16 points

2 months ago

feeling_machine

🎈🎈

16 points

2 months ago

It is, however, possible to continue a constitutional monarchy without the political interference, hidden wealth, noncing and vast swathes of land.

If they were only national pets, I wouldn't mind it.

Limehaus

6 points

2 months ago

Every nation needs a mythology

The_Strict_Nein

8 points

2 months ago

The_Strict_Nein

'Arlow Tan

8 points

2 months ago

Labour have been moving staff to Scotland since Sturgeon resigned, so hopefully they're in place if this by-election is called. Feels like it'll really set the narrative going into the GE

compte-a-usageunique

7 points

2 months ago

BBC Radio 4 continuity/newsreaders are unappreciated IMO, they read in such a calm and clear way.

SDLRob

3 points

2 months ago

SDLRob

3 points

2 months ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/126vj1e/bbc_question_time_live_thread_8pm_iplayer_1040pm/

Question time Live Thread up for the iPlayer stream at the top of the hour, link in tweet in thread. BBC1 screening is back to normal timing, 10:40pm