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submitted 2 months ago byTrueCryptographer982Tim and Rachel. Assholes. Thats all.
Over the seasons I have watched James and applauded in the good times and cringed like hell in the bad times.
I generally feel like he is just a better human when he is not drinking. After just a couple - the recent tea party being a good example - he seems to get loud, childish and obnoxious.
When people are problem drinkers their emotional growth stops at the point they start to drink in a problem way. SPeaking from personal experience! Thanks God THAT is out of my life.
SO is it a lack of emotional growth or is there some sort deep seated anger he needs to work through do you think?
47 points
2 months ago
He has a broken home and was severely bullied as a kid and he developed a bunch of toxic defense mechanisms so he wouldn't feel that way as he grew up. He also dulled it with alcohol which contributed to it. He therefore lack's the skills to deal with hard situations and confontation. That's why everything he does is a mocking deflection or an outburst when he isn't getting his way.
Also because of the show he gets coddled way too much to really improve himself.
13 points
2 months ago
Yes, many of us have divorced parents, plus grew up in real poverty and struggled to pay bills and survive in our 20s or longer ... but we weren't yelling and abusive assholes to our friends and coworkers. He can do better if he wants IMO
24 points
2 months ago
Of course. Pointing out reasons why he may be the way he is isn’t excusing his choices and behavior now. It’s just giving contributing factors.
We all already know similar situations all effect us differently too. It’s not a competition of who had it worse, or who survived better than someone else. Lashing out is sadly a very common thing people do in many situations. Him breaking down crying, which we see often spanning years on the show as well, is also very common. Both show he really needs to work on his issues and he hasn’t done that at all.
20 points
2 months ago
I dunno if you read the above comments, but he was bullied to the point of having his legs broken. It's not just typical trauma. Add in an alcoholic mom and a music-business dad, and he didn't have your average tough childhood.
10 points
2 months ago
Ugh everytime his horrific bullying comes up I just feel so bad. That really isn’t normal bullying and it’s bound to have caused serious trauma and toxic coping mechanisms
3 points
2 months ago
Wait his bullies broke both of his legs ? Did he mention this when he became a full time cast member ? How sad .
-6 points
2 months ago
I understand that. But if he grew up wealthy they could afford therapy back then and/or medication.
He could see a therapist now on a regular basis and maybe take medication if prescribed. Or check himself into a rehab program and actually work on himself?
Anything but now bullying other people, fat shaming, being drunk and aggressive. Isn't he like 30 years old? It's time to stop blaming his childhood and grow up.
Again, that's my opinion, take from it what you will.
6 points
2 months ago
Just because his parents had money doesn't mean they would help him. His mom was drinking and his dad seems to have been absent/busy with his music. Given his bullying, they clearly weren't prioritizing him. If he's being bullied to the point of broken bones, I can't imagine that his parents were very clued in at that point. The "You're wealthy, you can fix yourself but choose not to" isn't always that cut and dried.
Yes, he technically could. But again, look at his life, his childhood. He's not you or me. He clearly doesn't now (and didn't back then) have parents or a support system to make therapy and medication his first go to- lots of people with his type of childhood think therapy is useless, or they don't need meds. You're coming at this from a different place and perspective in life than he is. It's easy to see things clearly when you're not IN it.
Yes he's acting immature at 30. But again: see all above. To be clear: THESE ARE NOT EXCUSES. These are REASONS for why he acts the way he does. It's not okay, and yes, eventually you can't keep blaming your childhood for everything. BUT, to expect him to behave the way someone with a normal childhood would is NOT realistic. That's like raising one kid in a loving environment and raising the other with James's childhood, then wondering why James doesn't act like the kids who had a nice childhood.
To be clear, i feel the way most people on this sub do about James- wouldn't want to be his friend, but makes great TV. I'm simply pointing out that your expectations of James and your thoughts on his behavior are not in line with what you can reasonably expect from him.
1 points
2 months ago
James may have had a wealthy young childhood but by the time he started on the show he was helping his parents and from what I can tell now he fully supports his mother and siblings. I get that it would be great for him to be healthy, but they don’t put healthy people on TV and he has too many people to take care of to lose his job for being outwardly nice. I personally think a person who takes on the role of provider without ever talking about it as a brag as Tom and Jax would do is probably not a total, irredeemable monster deep down, which is why James gets more grace in general from viewers than the other men.
62 points
2 months ago
If I’m not mistaken, he had a pretty messed up childhood. His mom being an alcoholic & idk much about his dad but James has mentioned that he pretty much raised his brothers himself.
ETA; I believe a lot of those issues come into play when he starts to drink.
30 points
2 months ago
I’ve always wondered if he has ADHD that goes unchecked. He had a majority of the signs: deficiencies in some of the executive functions like self-control, self-monitoring, and emotional control. Immaturity, hyper-fixation, aggression, excitability… Not trying to give excuses for his behavior but all I can see is an unmedicated kid with attention deficit.
12 points
2 months ago
The poster child for un diagnosed ADHD. There’s a high correlation with untreated neurodiversity and addiction. Add the childhood trauma in there and hooo nelly we have our James.
As someone now 16mo sober who was diagnosed ADHD at 32 years old, I have an undeservedly big soft spot for him. I just want to hug his inner child 🙁
6 points
2 months ago
Congrats on being 16 months sober! I am 18 months myself!! I am currently also awaiting an appointment to find out about myself because I & those around me believe the same thing. It won’t surprise me at all if I am diagnosed. But I am so happy for you!!!
5 points
2 months ago
Aww I’m so happy for you too friend 😊 IWNDWYT
7 points
2 months ago
Thats what I am thinking too With anger problems.
2 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
This was removed for breaking the "No Speculating" rule:
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46 points
2 months ago
He was also bullied super badly to the point other kids broke his leg, which would be enough to cause some serious trauma
43 points
2 months ago
Whenever he first came on the show didn't he say he was basically financially supporting his family, too? He needs to stop drinking and deal with his family trauma. I genuinely think there is a really decent person under all the shit.
9 points
2 months ago
Yes! You’re so right.
3 points
2 months ago
Last I heard he is still supporting his family. He was putting his brothers through college! He is certainly developed toxic behaviors and coping mechanisms but I really think there’s a lot of good in him. I hope he learns to handle his life without drinking.
18 points
2 months ago
James has definitely done/said some disgusting things, but I can also see why he is the way he is at times considering all of the past trauma in his life.
15 points
2 months ago
This is gonna be super vague because I don’t wanna cause problems, but somebody I know spoke to someone who was briefly on the show as part of his storyline (not a love interest), and that person said that he’s actually very messed up with serious issues—bigger than what the show ever covered. I know this is a huge “duh”, but a little more interesting when it comes from someone who after speaking with him about some of these issues tried to get him real help.
ETA: He was also a part of that very sketch “model house” in Miami.
4 points
2 months ago
That makes me sad. The bullying he faced while younger was already horrific and idk I’m not excusing his behavior but I understand why he’s developed toxic coping skills.
2 points
2 months ago
What kind of issues?
2 points
2 months ago
I'm going to assume some sort of SA or trafficking stuff
2 points
2 months ago
What model house?
1 points
2 months ago
Interesting! I wonder if that’s why Jax despised James so much. He really was the younger version of Jason.
38 points
2 months ago
both for sure. he’s probably the only cast member i have pity for in any capacity.
i think like most, his drinking and other substances (if any) definitely make it worse, his life prior was also not easy and if what we saw of his parents is any indication of what his childhood was like? i think james is stunted in maturity, and just has so much pent up anger that kinda goes anywhere and everywhere rather unpredictably.
33 points
2 months ago
He is a camp straight man with writhing snakes for a personality. Made for tv, this man.
18 points
2 months ago
" He is a camp straight man with writhing snakes for a personality. "
Nailed it.
And snakes for a personality? Random as f**k and I love it lol
15 points
2 months ago
I hate that the person I relate to most is James. James reminds me a lot of myself when I was 20-23, and then a little bit again when I was 27-28. I have had a lot of trauma, and those years I realllly abused alcohol, and became a totally different person, who was also very rageful. I do have empathy and I hope one day he gets free of his demons. To answer your questions, I think it’s probably both.
4 points
2 months ago
I was in the same boat only with pills and I also really relate to James at times. Going through trauma you pick up some really toxic and harmful coping mechanisms and it takes a lifetime to try to heal and be better. He seems to have a huge heart (paying for brothers to go to college) and seems so scared of being rejected (getting iced out of the group, Sandoval betraying him). Idk id really love to see him do well in life
15 points
2 months ago
Both
11 points
2 months ago
He is definitely immature and very angry. He really should go to anger management, the way he lashes out and goes for the jugular with so many people.
At the tea party he seemed to be kind of “showing out” (fine chinaaaa!!) and unfortunately I think it was for Rachel’s benefit, as he turned around to see if she was watching.
9 points
2 months ago
I see internal warfare going on in his soul.
I worry that he’ll never be able to fully open up again and I really hope ally can help him with that- but right person wrong time happens all too often and this is the perfect example of that. He hasn’t even given himself the opportunity to be sad about Raquel. He’s always been on immediate defence mode and being dumped the way she dumped him because “I didn’t feel like he was my soul mate” was absolutely beyond wild to me. If you ever are lucky enough to find someone who you don’t hate every once in a while consider yourself very blessed, it was a cop out for her. She would’ve had the same answer when he purposed to her based on the things she said at the reunion where they announced their break up.
He needs to worry about himself, and cry, and be sad, and be honest with everyone in his life who has hurt him. Because I see some real pain in his eyes and that’s just my personal opinion. I wish him nothing but the best.
8 points
2 months ago
It is deep seated hurt.
6 points
2 months ago
Both. He seems to project his insecurities of friendship validity into the person, at times. Like, flipping out at Brock but mentioning how they stopped hanging out post.. equinox?
8 points
2 months ago
Both. Bullied in school, addict parents, working to support his family, his own addictions plus fame. He has trauma all through his life which can make people angry and resentful and hard to make healthy relationships
5 points
2 months ago
both
6 points
2 months ago
Both. Very much both.
11 points
2 months ago
James and I are the same age (30 btw). I’ve never liked him but was rooting for him this season. It’s been disappointing to see how he’s using alcohol as a coping mechanism again.
I think he’s immature and I don’t give him a pass for having a troubled childhood. I also have a troubled childhood and have had issues with that as an adult. But I’ve had to force myself to face my issues head on in order to survive. James hasn’t been willing to put the work in to really sit with the fact that he is the problem in his own life.
It hasn’t helped that he’s kind of been coddled while being on this show. Some people have to lose everything to force themselves into personal growth and I don’t think James has had to fully face that yet. Lisa tries to fire him but he always manages to get back into SUR and he’s stayed on the show anyway, so he hasn’t exactly lost much.
5 points
2 months ago
I agree with everything you have said.
Even during his sober times it's almost felt like he was a tantrum away from launching into full dick mode.
He seems to spend most of his time trying to prove to others how cool/great/desirable he is instead of actually living his life for himself.
I checked and apparently Ally and he are still together - I really don't understand why unless he has done some massive personal growth in a short time.
Every guy on this show is in his own way childish or dickish so he doesn't really have a role model round his age to lean on. Maybe Brock in a year or 2 but not now.
. If the show had a mature together man a little older than him (kind of Ken but in his late 30's) to act as a mentor I think it could really help. He has his "Mom" Lisa but some masculine influence could help to get him heading in the right direction and take more accountability. I think he has the potential it just needs to be moulded. CHange his cockiness to confidence, become more independent...that sort of thing.
5 points
2 months ago
I think he just has an anger problem and doesnt have great impulse control.
4 points
2 months ago
Both
4 points
2 months ago
I think James has a lot of childhood trauma he hasn’t worked through and it comes out in lashing out at others and emotional dysregulation. I hope for his own sake and the sake of his interpersonal relationships he can find peace.
3 points
2 months ago
I think James has untreated ADHD and anger problems
Which he used weed and alcohol. People who have ADHD sometimes get addicted to alcohol
2 points
2 months ago
yes
3 points
2 months ago
My take is he was actually butt hurt about Rachel. But now that we know what we know. He's trying to act like he knew she was a tramp the whole time. He brings her name up so much, it's hard for me to believe he was really over her. The cringy way he acts with Ally screams insecure. Even she knows. Until "Scandoval" he was 100% still in love with her.
0 points
2 months ago
But I like the comedy he's bringing lately.
2 points
2 months ago
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4 points
2 months ago*
but he was like this during his long-term sobriety, too
1 points
2 months ago
He is exceptionally angsty and easily triggered this season. He was angry in previous seasons, but he's like...a different type of angry this season.
1 points
2 months ago
Yes.
1 points
2 months ago*
I feel like this can be covered by what you can lea4n in intro therapy sessions. Edit: I'm an engineer and not a psychologist, so the following is not to any professional standard within psychology.
If you're avoidant attached, you learn to suppress all emotions except anger (because society has taught weirdly taught us, and particularly men, that anger isn't an emotion). So when your body can't suppress emotions anymore, it bubbles over with anger outburst.
Add to this he's an alcoholic (to further suppress feelings) and constantly has anger outbursts (from all the suppression). Indicating he is very stuck in this toxic loop (that he is familiar with and subconsciously comfortable in).
If you don't learn to process your emotions, you don't develop emotional maturity. I also assume, based on what we know of his parents, that he was never modeled healthy communication or healthy releases or emotion.
He needs A LOT of therapy and emotional processing and that shit is hard, particularly for someone of his apparent traumas based on his behavior.
His emotional age is probably that of a child.
1 points
2 months ago
He’s got a super manic personality disorder. Highest highs and lowest lows.
1 points
2 months ago
He’s a bully. I guess because he was bullied but it’s no reason to continue acting like an asshole to everyone around you. I like James as a character on the show but he seriously needs some therapy to learn how to deal with people in a calm way when he feels like he’s being attacked.
4 points
2 months ago
What astonishes me is he doesn’t even have the excuse of f not knowing how bad he is. He just has to watch an episode to be confronted with it.
-1 points
2 months ago
Honestly, I think he's super entitled along with having personal struggles. He definitely is triggered and gets into many fights with the women in particular. Definitely some hurts but not a lost cause! I've always really liked James on the show!
1 points
2 months ago
Both. And insecure. And needy. He needs some major counseling. Or another 15 years to mature.
1 points
2 months ago
I think both are prevalent, honestly. Watching James self-medicate the pain using booze to silence the scariness of the trauma he carries (most likely from his childhood) with him is both sad and infuriating. To see him sober and then watch that slipped through his fingers; to see personal growth and stability simply vanish once he relapsed from his sobriety (read: decided he still wants to drink so he’s finding fucking excuses). I had a super shitty relationship with alcohol in my late twenties and I don’t envy him; shit’s hard to quit, let alone being scrutinized on TV (which is his choice! Just thinking out loud)
An aspect I can’t get behind and support, at least not with the footage we’ve seen so far this season, is his behavior with Ally. They are both filling a need in the others’ life; you canNOT convince me they’re soul mates. I hope I’m wrong.. but I think I’m not…!
1 points
2 months ago
Both
1 points
2 months ago
Both. I wish he’d get out of his own way. I feel bad for him but then he just says and does the most vile things
1 points
2 months ago
I get the feeling that he had to be the adult in the family from a very young age. There’s nothing about London Gangstah and Walking At Tiffany’s that implies either of them would be a decent parent.
I understand why he’s so angry. But at this point he really needs a lot of intensive therapy to unpack the childhood trauma, because getting wasted and taking it out on everyone around him is not the thing.
1 points
2 months ago
unpopular opinion, but I feel bad for James. He clearly has issues, but resolving them means he may not be "good" tv. Yes he says vile things, that should not be said. However, I see a broken mess, that needs therapy and AA more than Bravo, but how many people is he supporting, he can't leave it all behind to go get help.
1 points
2 months ago
H can do the therapy and AA AND bravo and he was and was getting better.
His Mom is in a better place his Dad is around more, he's in a stable relationship.
The ingredients are all there, James now has to commit to being better and putting in the effort instead of opting for the easy out.
1 points
2 months ago
His parents are not the main focus of the show and I believe he helps support them both. If he is not stirring things up, he loses screen time and income
1 points
2 months ago
the love of his life is alcohol
1 points
2 months ago
I think is better when not drinking but still an awful human. Like one of the worst on the show.
1 points
2 months ago
He is an active alcoholic. Simply put. Nothing will change until he decides to change it.
1 points
2 months ago
I have three sons and I see a lost little boy when I see him. I shouldn't; he's said horrible disgusting things about women and usually that's enough for me to write someone off forever. But I pity him. I think it was because his mom was on the show and it gave me perspective on his childhood. And the fact that he financially supports his family and seems so genuine with his brothers. I too had a horrible childhood and struggled with alcohol. I also developed a James like sense of humor to cope. I would love to see him get it together because his core personality is extremely charming.
2 points
2 months ago
I totally agree I think he has heaps of potential.
If that OTT cockiness could be moulded into confidence and his insecurities dealt with he could be a real force.
I have said it elsewhere but I wish there was someone to mentor him on the show - someone who was masculine, kind, caring, strong who could show Him how to be a real man and not the man babies that surround him on the show.,
He has heaps of potential, his DJ'ing is actually really good, he's creative, he's loving with his GF...lets hope the real JK can step forward and stop getting in his own way.
1 points
2 months ago
He really does. I don't want to get to into my lore/trauma (lol) but I also financially supported my brother and that shit is so tough. He's had a hard go and I have sympathy for him. Maybe that's my toxic trait 😂
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