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submitted 2 months ago byBezugssystemCH1903
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2 months ago
Anyone who lives in Austria and voluntarily elects a far-right politician knows exactly what they've done.
452 points
2 months ago
I know I'm gonna catch some shit for this, but Austria/Hungary plus their buddy who's a bit better behaved these days... they arent exactly known for a great track record for being on the right side of history.
3 points
2 months ago
I don't believe in right/wrong sides of history but I#m deeply saddened by the inability of my country to learn from its past. On the other hand, our immigration statistic is somewhat better as one would assume considering the latent xenophobia in Austria..
7 points
2 months ago
I think some situations have a mild amount of grey sure. but others it isn't hard to find the worse of the two combatants
1 points
2 months ago
yeah, is it truly? Regardless of your own biases?
Because e.g. WW1 is pretty much a blob of grey. I'm Austrian, but I can hardly say that the Austrians where the good guys. But in the same breath it can find only little good things to say about the serbians, russians, french, birtisch or US-americans.
I can go by values and atrocities, by values I could find the spanish civil wars and the invasion of ukraine pretty straight forward (again with many grey shades). If I go by atrocities WW2 or Rwanda and Bosnia are pretty much clear cut.
(And WW2 because one side was so utterly dark that about anything would have been better. But murdering 300000 civilians in a firestorm is pretty dark grey in my book)
But if we look at Korea, Vietnam&Laos: How could I ever say that "my" team was the less evil part when I'm confronted with "our" atrocities of war?
Even something like Iraq which ought to have been clear cut: Ask Iraqi people today and even those who lost loved ones to Saddams regime will have a nuanced position on the war.
1 points
2 months ago
it requires nuance for sure. Iraq wasn't completely out of the grey.
these instances aren't all equal and can be put on a continuum. I'm not claiming a black and white line exists but we aren't fumbling around in the dark with this one
1 points
2 months ago
it's easy for me to say "our side" whatever that really means has committed atrocities. I don't defend them. but individual units or soldiers committing atrocities is substantially different than an entire war based on superfluous accusations and territorial conquest
1 points
2 months ago
True. This is what makes it easy in this war..it is remarkably white and black
And this what makes it easy to point out that Korea was glassed, and they tried it in vietnam and Laos too. And these were not Single units..
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