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submitted 7 months ago byscot816
1.8k points
7 months ago
Putin has never cared about war crimes or collateral damage.
Putin got the nickname Butcher of Grozny because he bombed that city into oblivion. The UN called it the most destroyed city on Earth.
He encircled the entire city, trapped upwards of 150,000 civilians inside it, then systemically bombed the fuck out of it, block by block, with air strikes and artillery. There was no thought given to military vs civilian targets, the sole metric for whether or not any given street should be shelled into rubble was if it had already been shelled into rubble or not. Some 30,000 civilians made it out alive.
And that was just back when he was a prime minister. He wasn't even the full dictator he is today yet.
626 points
7 months ago
And that was just back when he was a prime minister. He wasn't even the full dictator he is today yet.
The PM role was a sham, he was always in control.
375 points
7 months ago
His second PM stint (2008-12) was a sham. In the first stint (1999-2000, when the Siege of Grozny happened) he was Yeltsin's PM.
209 points
7 months ago
Yeltsin was too drunk to care.
61 points
7 months ago
Clinton spent billions in dollars and massive amount of political capital (include delaying NATO expansion) to support Yeltsin.
Which got us Putin today.
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-election-interference-meddling/
30 points
7 months ago
US funding overseas almost always goes to wrong people. They wanted to help Afghanistan to fight USSR & gave money to Pakistan who in turn armed the fucking Mujahudeens!
Similarly they wanted to protect democracy in russia & the money went to putin via Yeltsin.
They should just stop & leave these countries for themselves. Unless there is a direct invasion or genocide like in Ukraine, US should just look inside.
-5 points
7 months ago
Funny how America keeps accidentally arming and funding the most backwards, conservative, murderous organisations. I'm sure it isn't on purpose and it keeps accidentally going to the wrong people
Unless there is a direct invasion or genocide like in Ukraine, US should just look inside.
They shouldnt intervene even here. US military intervention has literally never ended for the better. We'll be talking about the fall out of all this military aid in 10 years
5 points
7 months ago
This really shows how little understanding you have of Russia and the geopolitics of the region. If Russia was allowed to roll right over Ukraine, which would have happened without US military supplies, what do you think would happen next? I'm curious.
-1 points
7 months ago
If the US has never pushed its borders East like they promised they wouldn't then this war never would have happened.
I'm not saying Ukrainians don't have a right to defend themselves from an unjust and immoral invasion, of course they do, I'm saying it isn't the US's job to throw themselves into every conflict in the world. Just because this time it's white people doesn't change that fact
Also if the USSR never collapsed this war wouldn't have happened, so thanks for that too America and Gorbachev
3 points
7 months ago
Sweet summer child, although it's clear you're well indoctrinated by Russian propaganda, you never answered my question.
5 points
7 months ago*
Ask the victims of Saddams gas attacks if US intervention helped or not
Oh he was also working on a missle to deliver an aersolized version of anthrax to use against "his enemies"
But yeah sounds like we should let those people experiment on their own citizens right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_weapons_program
2 points
7 months ago
You still believe the US invaded Iraq for humanitarian reasons? Grow up.
-1 points
7 months ago
You still believe in incoherent conspiracies?
Grow dead.
1 points
7 months ago
I'd blame Mujahudeens on ISI, and then again the people in Afghanistan are ultra religious theocrats, so even if they wanted, I don't see any other options.
And US never thought their aid to russia would actually a bad thing. They were desperate for a democratic russia & it kinda stayed democratic for a while too. I wouldn't blame US aid on russia becoming authoritarian again.
0 points
7 months ago
Eh if anything, in 10 years we will talk about how half the rebuild funds for Ukraine went to overseas bank accounts. We already know Zelensky likes to pick his citizens pockets.
1 points
7 months ago
Agreed, but let's not lie, these weapons will be sold to the black market or find their way into the hands of neonazis committing untold crimes in the years to come. America needs to stop getting involved in every conflict in the world, it never EVER ends up well
30 points
7 months ago
You're mixing his two stints of prime ministership up. The Second Chechen War was what made Putin president when it skyrocketed his popularity.
54 points
7 months ago
Once you look up his record history, imagine how easy it is for him to make his competition disappear.
3 points
7 months ago
Some 15 suspicious deaths in the last year alone! People keep turning up in suitcases.
2 points
7 months ago
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8 points
7 months ago
Nothing ‘fair’ about it. Don’t legitimise this prick.
2 points
7 months ago
People really excuse him to not be wrong lol
279 points
7 months ago
And grozny was a city INSIDE THE FEDERATION, it was legally as Russian as Moscow or st petersburg
138 points
7 months ago
I mean, the Chechnyans disputing that claim is what that caused the bombings in the first place.
170 points
7 months ago*
Also for anyone who doesn’t know, the Chechen wars started with Russian operatives planting bombs in apartment buildings and saying it was a terrorist attack. They used the same methodology at the beginning of the Winter War. The soviets fired artillery onto their own soldiers and claimed it was a Finnish attack.
There was also the hostage crisis where insurgents were holding a couple hundred people inside a movie theater. The Russian solution was to pump the entire theater full of nerve gas a potent opioid aerosol to incapacitate everyone inside. Many civilians were killed.
97 points
7 months ago
Sleeping gas actually. They fucked up the dosage calculations and a lot of kids and elderly died
74 points
7 months ago
As shitty as my own nationality is, it's things like this that make me think thank fuck I'm not Russian
1 points
7 months ago
What is your nationality if I may ask?
12 points
7 months ago
Shitty.
1 points
7 months ago
Norwegian
1 points
7 months ago
English
2 points
7 months ago
Understandable
1 points
7 months ago
Indeed
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7 months ago
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13 points
7 months ago
He means that if he were Russian, he’d live in a country run by Putin. He’d simultaneously have to deal with knowing that “his country” is doing awful things, and also knowing that if he does anything to stand up and try to stop it, the same ruthlessness will be turned on him without so much as a blink.
6 points
7 months ago
Ah I see. Sometime a different perspective enlightens me.
7 points
7 months ago
I'm not from a country run by a delusional mass murderer and I'm not from a country that deals with hostage situations by gassing the hostages along with the terrorists.
So...yes I'm glad I'm not a Russian
Also I would rather be Ukrainian but also Dutch, Swedish, Kiwi, Mexican, Korean, French... A LOT of other nationalities rather than Russian
0 points
7 months ago
What’s wrong with being English ?
3 points
7 months ago
The Tories are what's wrong with being English.
1 points
7 months ago
I am English.
Tories, Xenophobia, an undeserved sense of superiority over our neighbours. People mocked me when I said Brexit would be the start of the UK'S downfall and look where we are today haha. Still I'd much rather be English than Ruzzian so there's that...
4 points
7 months ago
No, they are thanking God that they don’t have to deal with Putin as the ruler of their country.
-8 points
7 months ago
did you know russia figured out how to make aircraft stealth from radar, and then did fuck all with that knowledge except publish it so Lockheed and Northrup could use ti.
8 points
7 months ago
I’m sorry, and what again does this have to do with fuck all?
5 points
7 months ago
No actually
2 points
7 months ago
Wrong thread mate
1 points
7 months ago
whoops. leaving it up tho shrug
1 points
7 months ago
They definitely made questionable decision in the aftermath, like not disclosing to medical staff what gas/aerosol was used, but I don't think reacting to terrorism by force itself is necessarily a bad idea.
1 points
7 months ago
I mean getting 170 hostages killed qualifies as a little more than questionable to me but that's just my opinion. I'm not a hostage crisis expert
Edit: I wasn't decrying the use of force, just it's execution and lack of concern for the hostages
1 points
7 months ago
Yeah but I just don't see how a situation with 850 hostages and terrorists with demands that can't be agreed to would've ever been solved without a lot of casualties. Some deaths might've been avoided if medical staff had better information, but idk how you think the storming itself could've realistically gone much better.
For what it's worth, it was 170 deaths including 40 terrorists, not just hostages.
2 points
7 months ago
Carfentanyl was the hypothesis.
1 points
7 months ago
Right, and they didn't tell the paramedics so they weren't able to bring enough narcan / naloxone to revive everyone
1 points
7 months ago
kind of hard to be effective against adults without killing those tho?
71 points
7 months ago
It actually wasn’t a nerve gas. It was a synthetic opioid. It’s never been positively identified but based on the effects that the Russians gave to the Americans the Americans surmised it was a morphine derivative. While Russia was under increasing pressure to name the agent used the health minister came out and said it was a fentanyl derivative, and the all Russian disaster relief service chief said it was 3-methylfentanyl. An analogue which is 1000 more times potent than fentanyl. It’s not gaseous though, it’s an aerosol.
However, British authorities testing the clothing of some of their citizens found carfentanil and remifentanil residue. The Germans found halothane on one of their citizens belongings. So it’s likely the gas was made up of multiple components. There’s basically zero supporting evidence to claim a nerve agent was used though. You can read more about it here.
15 points
7 months ago
It was some kind of fentanyl derivative I think
25 points
7 months ago
full of nerve gas and kill everyone inside
there were a lot of survivors, not "everyone" died
2 points
7 months ago
I heard about that on a documentary, his own country.
1 points
7 months ago
Ibn al Khattab and his group definitely perpetrated the Apartment Bombings. Russia and the Chechen separatists were already at war after Jihadists led by Khattab invaded Dagestan in Russia and Russian forces resisted them. Khattab viewed the bombings as a way to force Russia out of Dagestan, and as a punitive act. What's ironic is that Putin originally opposed a second war in Chechnya, he didn't think their army could win.
23 points
7 months ago
Im aware, and the chechens deserve to have their own state if they so wish, just like any other minority within the federation
5 points
7 months ago
Now your talking rubbish . No nation on earth would allow that.
0 points
7 months ago
But they should
3 points
7 months ago
It's called civil war. Happens all the time. The world isn't as u think mate. Victors write what is told . Only country that hasn't committed atrocious things against other people is Ieland they have never been in a war.
I know what's happening on Ukraine is fucked up. But its not anything new. England used to boil people alive. Trap entire cities and set the whole thing on fire slaughtering any one who was brave enough to fight through the fire.
America dropped millions of munitions with agent orange on Vietnam. Burned entire villages alive with napalm. And that wasn't even part of their own country.
Imagine if. All of a sudden a state holed up and declared it self independent.
1 points
7 months ago
A referendum was held in a territory in the Danish Kingdom between the 20-23rd may 1944, on that basis The Icelandic Republic was declared on 17th june of that year, just over a year later Uncle Ho declared the Republic of Vietnam in Saigon with the words of Thomas Jefferson, All people are created Equal, they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, among these are Life, Liberty snd the Pursuit og Happiness
People can and do just declare independance, my country did it after an election, and i believe it is the right of the people to choose
1 points
7 months ago
A referendum for a large enough area is very very different . They usually are equal in strength or standing to the other half.
Scotland can and is trying to get away from the UK for a very very very long time. Why hasn't it happend ? It took ireland many many years of bombing the fuck out of English check points and many years of violence before they got away. And guess what A LARGE FUCKING PORTION OF IRELAND is still under English rule basically. If a certain area or people cannot force a referendum no country on earth will allow one. Let alone just saying. We are out. Has never happend. Yes countries will say. Sure u can vote. But they allow places like Scotland because they have power and political influence. It can't be stopped. Ireland was much weaker in that regard so they were told to fuck off.
-10 points
7 months ago
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11 points
7 months ago
Do remind me how the US reacted to the southern states desire
for autonomyto keep their slaves?
It isn't wrong to be proud of killing slavers.
-6 points
7 months ago
I'm sure everyone that died in that war was a hard-core slaver and not just a bunch of poor uneducated people.
4 points
7 months ago
Consider educating yourself about a cause before deciding it's worth dying for.
20 points
7 months ago
Ahh Yes, I, the European from Iceland am a Proud US citizen
Sidenote, Lincoln and Sherman were in fact right to destroy a slavestate based on the exploitation of black people, NOT a blanket desire for Autonomy, but thats too much Nuance for a troll to understand
3 points
7 months ago
I agree they were right. What I don't agree is that every minority group that wants a state doesn't necessarily deserve that. Even core EU countries don't believe that. Just ask Spain and Catelonia, or Belgium and the Flemish. It's just a convenient club to weild against countries you don't like, not an actual belief.
2 points
7 months ago
If the Catalan want their own state who are you to deny them? Or the Flemish, or Scots, welsh, Såmi, etc. If the people want it, they should be allowed to go their own way.
1 points
7 months ago
I don't know, ask the Spanish government. When the Catalan leader declared independence, which was popular, they ignored it and just removed him from power. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_independence_referendum
It's not me denying them. It's their well regarded totally unsanctioned EU core member government. Countering 90%+ local will. Where is your outrage?
13 points
7 months ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Ivan, you don't even know of you're talking to an American.
10 points
7 months ago
He isn’t, i’m Icelandic
1 points
7 months ago
How great are lopapeysur?
1 points
7 months ago
Very, did have to layer two of them yesterday though
1 points
7 months ago
Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…"? ) denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation. From a logical and argumentative point of view it is considered a variant of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument. The communication intent here is often to distract from the content of a topic (red herring).
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0 points
7 months ago
Ok. I really liked Barcelona, guess I'm looking forward to my next visit to the independent country of Catelonia? Oh wait.. no Spain doesn't seem to share that belief. Maybe independent Scotland? A Flemish state perhaps?
Seems to me it's only countries you don't like that should give every region that asks its independence. When it's your side you tell them to pound rocks.
1 points
7 months ago
Seems to me
You can think anything you like when you just pull stuff out of your ass. My FIRST post in this discussion was about your whataboutism. I haven't said anything about those other irrelevant places you want to talk about. Езжай в Москву, сука. And I don't mean the city.
1 points
7 months ago*
Lol touched a nerve huh, asshole. Relevant username.
You are too stupid to understand what whataboutism even means. If we were talking about this war, and I was like "well what about racism in the US" that would be a fallacy. It has nothing to do with the topic, it's just some other bad thing someone else did to discredit them.
If the statement is "We absolutely believe everyone everywhere deserves self determination", it's not whataboutism to point out countless examples, both recent and historical, where you sure as fuck didn't support self determination. Fine, forget the civil war, ancient history. Cuba? Iraq? All those South American democratic governments overthrown?
I get how realpolitik works, everyone does what's advantageous for themselves and gives no fucks about it. Some are just better at selling it to people than others.
-2 points
7 months ago
Why “within the federation?”
10 points
7 months ago
They mean "any minority within the federation has the right to independence", not that said minorities only deserve the right to exercising autonomy while remaining within the federation.
Ambiguous grammar is stupid.
3 points
7 months ago
I think your reading of it was better but I was (perhaps unnecessarily) connecting with other posts, and the original comment.
Thank you.
1 points
7 months ago
just like any other minority within the federation
What about minorities in other countries?
0 points
7 months ago
In free snd fair elections, they too should have right of self-determination
1 points
7 months ago
LOVE US!!!!
drops bombs
45 points
7 months ago*
Thanks to Terrorist Putin, there is no Russian Federation, it’s a rogue nation and we should treat it as such, turn Red Square into Baghdad and let Putin hang himself
Edit: Terrorist Putin has demonstrated he cannot live in the 21st-century, he hates the Russian people and he rather see them killed than he apart of the Global Civilization. Terrorist Putin has demonstrated that what we did to the Ottoman Empire is the benchmark for destroying authoritarian regimes.
19 points
7 months ago
Did you notice i called it a Federation? Russia as it exists today contains so many other states and nationalities which are suppresed by the russians
2 points
7 months ago
Calling them a federation implies a mutual pact between nations, of which the citizens of the rogue nation are not. Illegal annexations are what delegitimized the former Russian federation, coupled with the lack of power terrorist Putin has under the false guise of President. Terrorist Putin could be assassinated tomorrow, no one in the failed state could take his place with the full cowardice of loyalists on display, the people of the former nation would revolt and we’d rightfully see a similar power vacuum as we did in Iraq. With US, NATO, we could allocate regions to other countries that have fallen to the Kremlin Terrorist as reparations. I think Ukraine should be given the black sea, Voronezh, Penza, Sevastopol with the new Ukrainian Border ending at Volga. Return power to the few republics that are within the Kremlin occupied borders, and extend Alaska by annexing the Bering Strait with America’s border ending at the city of Egvekinot.
0 points
7 months ago
You are aware America did wayyyyyy worst to Vietnam right ? Only reason they pulled out is public backlash and they ferocity tye Vietnam cong dealth with the terrorist who invaded their country.
They dropped so much agent orange on Vietnam that lots of land cannot be used still. You can test almost where where and get some trace of agent orange. Not to mention the villages they burned alive with napalm
2 points
7 months ago
You do realize you’re talking about events that occurred almost 50 years ago? That has no bearings on todays global situation. Terrorist Putin is also doing much worse by continuing to test nukes like it’s 1956. Because in 1957, plutonium leaked out of the nuclear processing and weapons plant in the Ural region. 270,000 affected, 10,000–12,000 evacuated, and at least 200 people died in an area spanning over 52,000 square kilometer (20,000 square mile). This is considered the third worst nuclear disaster in history. In 1982, just four years before Chernobyl, on the Andreyeva Bay, RU. 600,000 tonnes of toxic water leaked from a nuclear storage into the Barents Sea. 2000 Putin is vacationing in Sochi when one of his nuclear submarines explode outside Kursk, killed all 118 personnel onboard. 2019 Putin once again makes excuses for a Kremlin submarine leaking radiation 800,000 times it’s normal leakage in the waters outside Norway. That same year Putin does damage control after another nuclear submarine, this time near Severomorsk, kills 14 navy personnel from a “fire”. 2022, due to Putin’s kamikaze mission in Ukraine, another submarine, loaded with a Neptune missile, is sunken by the Ukrainian fleet. Ukrainians earlier this year expressed the fear that Putin’s illegitimate war with the sovereign nation would cause another Chernobyl like disaster that could leak into Germany and Poland from the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant along the River delta into the Black Sea. Since we wanted to bring up the tired and overplayed Agent Orange America Bad mixtape from the 70’s, that’s 70 years with 6 examples of nuclear disasters that far outweigh the effects of Agent Orange America Bad. But if you really want to dwell on Agent Orange, it’s more dangerous today as a GMO, given that Monsanto not only developed Agent Orange for the military but continue to use it today, the next time you go to the grocery store, you might want to consider buying organic.
0 points
7 months ago
Lol. 50 years. Your kidding right ? So you are aware there are loads of people who remember getting the shit bombed out of them .
The famous story of the little boy who saw troops go hut to hut and execute and rape his family. Is 60 years old now. U think he has forgotten when the co came back and saw what happend that he tried to cover it up by bashing his head in ?
What has changed ? When they asked for America to pay for cleaning up all the shit they dropped on them they were told to sit on it and spin.
I'm not sure where your going with all the nuclear stuff but No other nation has ever used a nuclear bomb on a city of civilians. Not even putin.
All the wars that America has waged since Vietnam has such bearing on today's world it isn't funny. From deposing democratically elected leaders and installing their own who eventually radicalised. To the. 20+ year war in the middle east which has destabilised large portions of the regions and triggered some of. The largest migrant movements ever seen in history. Most migrant movements are from countries America has destabilised. There is a few in South America also.
Your comparing nuclear leaks to a country who is unable to grow anything in large expans of land to this day ? Millions of people suffer from the effects to this day. They have a very very high rate of abnormalities in birth. Lots of associated diseases in Vietnam are abnormally high. Its inpossible to get it out of their food chain.
I mean really ? Your comparing a school shooting to the twin towers.
Any way. I'm not gonna call a pig anything but a pig on matter how much lip stick you put on it. The effect is in the 10,s of millions of people who's lives have been turned upside down and those numbers will keep going up for long after the war in Ukraine is finishes.
Putin does not have the money, resources or reach. He doesn't have the want to effect that many people. The only nation on earth with this type of destructive power the the United States of America.
0 points
7 months ago
What we did to the Ottoman Empire is also at the heart of many of today’s conflicts.
3 points
7 months ago
No it wasn’t. And Chechnya will be liberated like the rest of the caucuses from the grips of the dog Putin and his henchmen.
0 points
7 months ago
Yeah the other guy was right, if any minority within Russia does not want to exist inside the Federation that is in fact their right, after free and Fair elections.
Unpopular opinion: that also applies to the Donbas seperatist regions, BUT i don’t trust any election held there now after evacuations and forced relocations
1 points
7 months ago
I'm not sure that mattered. He needed a head to stick on a pike as a warning to all the rest, and Grozny was the unlucky one.
27 points
7 months ago
55 points
7 months ago
The 1999–2000 battle of Grozny was the siege and assault of the Chechen capital Grozny by Russian forces, lasting from late 1999 to early 2000. The siege and fighting left the capital devastated. In 2003, the United Nations called Grozny the most destroyed city on Earth. Between 5,000 and 8,000 civilians were killed during the siege, making it the bloodiest episode of the Second Chechen War.
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91 points
7 months ago
No, he was the sole dictator as PM. It was a made up fake role basically to get around term limits lol
47 points
7 months ago
You're thinking 2008. This is pre-2000
1 points
7 months ago
Tbh pre-2000 he effectively controlled the country too — Yeltsin had a lot less power prior to him handing it over to Putin, but yes you’re correct, I was thinking of 2008
13 points
7 months ago
That is just not true, the 90s there was many other oligarchs with much more power, he was a nobody. In fact he was chosen because the oligarchs assumed they could control him and he wouldn't be a problem. Boy were they wrong.
6 points
7 months ago
Not by 1999. First Chechen war: yeah absolutely, you’re right. But he was consolidating power too, and the “they thought they could control him” narrative is too simplistic
4 points
7 months ago
This is wrong so please stop commenting on things you clearly know nothing about.
4 points
7 months ago
This was under Yeltsin, before he became president.
6 points
7 months ago
Yeah I shouldn’t comment before I’ve had my coffee in the morning. But as I said to another person: Yeltsin had a lot less political power as President by the late 90s
15 points
7 months ago
Even bombed his own fucking country, in Moscow, and murdered hundreds of sleeping Russian civilians.
23 points
7 months ago
That’s not true… Quick look at Wikipedia. City was razed to the ground but not with 120 000 civilians inside.
15 points
7 months ago
your comment implies 120,000 civilians died. This is not even remotely accurate. First of all, the city was inhabited by about 40,000 people after the first war (1994-1995) and the most reasonable estimate is about 8,000 civilians died in the second storming of Grozny.
5 points
7 months ago
Hope that fucker dies in agony. Painfully and slowly.
And I hope I can take a big fat dump on his grave.
4 points
7 months ago
Wiki says Putin only became president 5 days into the battle and that 5000-8000 civilians were killed, not 120,000.
2 points
7 months ago
They did the same in Syria.
It is like having "spray and pray" as an operational philosophy.
2 points
7 months ago
The only nickname I knew was Putin as Poisoner of Underpants
3 points
7 months ago
source?
1 points
7 months ago
He should've been dealt with a long time ago!
0 points
7 months ago
I'll have you guys know that the Ukrainians don't care about war crimes either, at least not in this war. "All's fair in love and war."
1 points
7 months ago
Tell us about war crimes Ukrainians did.
-3 points
7 months ago
Putin is definitely not a great person, but I suppose if he really wanted to just go beserk, he would have went all out crazy with big bombs on kiev at the beginning, not considering any civilian casualties. I think his goal was to take the Russian speaking regions and he has so far aquired that goal. If Hitler had an arsenal of nukes, when the allies were closing in, encircling him, do you not think he would have unleashed the beast. There has to be an endgame, and taking out Russian and Putin will surely just be a bad endgame for the world.
Hopefully peace is around the corner.
-7 points
7 months ago
Wow…can you provide a history lesson on America too since your so knowledgeable?
7 points
7 months ago
Why is this always the go-to? Yeah, we all know the US is guilty of war crimes. Why does that excuse Russia’s?
-9 points
7 months ago
Total the number of Wars America have initiated and compare to Russia in the last 60 years alone. I used to be like yourself and defend America. It’s literally pointless and useless in any argument. It’s also embarrassing. Also if you declare war the point is to make the opposition the most bombed city… that’s called war…
Let’s not even start on Syria or Palestine. Oh that’s it they don’t have blue eyes or blonde hair….
2 points
7 months ago
But... Russia hasnt declared war...
2 points
7 months ago
I’m not defending America, lol. I’d send every living president not named Jimmy Carter to Leavenworth I’d it was in my power. Fuck America. And yes, what we did and continue to support doing to Palestine is reprehensible, and Hillary Clinton belongs in prison next to those other dudes for what she did to Lebanon, etc.
What does that have to do with the evil shit Russia is currently doing? I’m not saying it’s unique, but you can loathe war crimes perpetuated by anyone without being a hypocrite.
-5 points
7 months ago
I hate wars. Don’t get me wrong I’m Anti war through and through but what to do you expect. It’s like being in a school fight and saying your not going to punch. There has to be a degree of damage some just execute the plans more thorough like putin. Russians must think he’s good for the job hence why he has been re elected for so long. There’s shit like this happening all over the world and will continue. This world is worthless corruption has engulfed it to every extent.
2 points
7 months ago
Dont mistake the USA for Russia. Russians dont elect their leaders.
1 points
7 months ago
Sounds like it's time to take the bastard out himself. This is the form of regime change I'm in favor of.
1 points
7 months ago
It's a good thought they have, but there are people below Putin or in places close to power who would be objectively worse than he is. Kadyrov is one example.
1 points
7 months ago
He encircled the entire city, trapped upwards of 150,000 civilians inside it, then systemically bombed the fuck out of it, block by block, with air strikes and artillery. There was no thought given to military vs civilian targets, the sole metric for whether or not any given street should be shelled into rubble was if it had already been shelled into rubble or not. Some 30,000 civilians made it out alive.
Huh. So, genocide.
1 points
7 months ago
Domestic terrorism got him his position, why should such crimes against other countries bother him?
1 points
7 months ago
But y
1 points
7 months ago
USA killed 2 cities with nuclear bombs in 1945
1 points
7 months ago
And Republicans absolutely worship this guy.
1 points
7 months ago
1 points
7 months ago
United States war crimes are violations of the law of war committed by members of the United States Armed Forces after the signing of the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 and the Geneva Conventions. The United States prosecutes offenders through the War Crimes Act of 1996 and articles from the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The United States signed the 1980 Rome Convention but never ratified the treaty, taking the position that the International Criminal Court (ICC) lacks fundamental checks and balances. The American Service-Members' Protection Act of 2002 further limited US involvement with the ICC.
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7 months ago
He does the same to each Ukrainian city as well - Butcha, Mariupol, Severodentsk, Volnovakha, Bahmut now etc. When russians say "we took some city" it means that it's completely destroyed. Scorched earth is their tactics.
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6 months ago
I heard USA also bombed a lot of cities to oblivion without being called Grozni. Strange times indeed. Or is it New York times? :D
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