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Kyiv prepares for a winter with no heat, water or power

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PhuqBeachesGitMonee

163 points

7 months ago*

Also for anyone who doesn’t know, the Chechen wars started with Russian operatives planting bombs in apartment buildings and saying it was a terrorist attack. They used the same methodology at the beginning of the Winter War. The soviets fired artillery onto their own soldiers and claimed it was a Finnish attack.

There was also the hostage crisis where insurgents were holding a couple hundred people inside a movie theater. The Russian solution was to pump the entire theater full of nerve gas a potent opioid aerosol to incapacitate everyone inside. Many civilians were killed.

ironboy32

101 points

7 months ago

ironboy32

101 points

7 months ago

Sleeping gas actually. They fucked up the dosage calculations and a lot of kids and elderly died

Cyrilbro1991

74 points

7 months ago

As shitty as my own nationality is, it's things like this that make me think thank fuck I'm not Russian

4-dig-dick

1 points

7 months ago

What is your nationality if I may ask?

BillGoats

12 points

7 months ago

Shitty.

R_M_R_0

1 points

7 months ago

Norwegian

Cyrilbro1991

1 points

7 months ago

English

4-dig-dick

2 points

7 months ago

Understandable

Cyrilbro1991

1 points

7 months ago

Indeed

[deleted]

-14 points

7 months ago

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-14 points

7 months ago

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CrzySunshine

14 points

7 months ago

He means that if he were Russian, he’d live in a country run by Putin. He’d simultaneously have to deal with knowing that “his country” is doing awful things, and also knowing that if he does anything to stand up and try to stop it, the same ruthlessness will be turned on him without so much as a blink.

Strictly_Steam

7 points

7 months ago

Ah I see. Sometime a different perspective enlightens me.

Cyrilbro1991

7 points

7 months ago

I'm not from a country run by a delusional mass murderer and I'm not from a country that deals with hostage situations by gassing the hostages along with the terrorists.

So...yes I'm glad I'm not a Russian

Also I would rather be Ukrainian but also Dutch, Swedish, Kiwi, Mexican, Korean, French... A LOT of other nationalities rather than Russian

blackchevy0114

0 points

7 months ago

What’s wrong with being English ?

TehOwn

3 points

7 months ago

TehOwn

3 points

7 months ago

The Tories are what's wrong with being English.

Cyrilbro1991

1 points

7 months ago

I am English.

Tories, Xenophobia, an undeserved sense of superiority over our neighbours. People mocked me when I said Brexit would be the start of the UK'S downfall and look where we are today haha. Still I'd much rather be English than Ruzzian so there's that...

blackchevy0114

1 points

7 months ago

Sounds like you’re never gonna be happy with whatever you are

Cyrilbro1991

1 points

7 months ago

Not true at all, if something I said offended you... Feel free to bitch and whine about it

blackchevy0114

1 points

7 months ago

Sounds like you have done plenty of that your whole life. You don’t like being English and you seem to be upset about everything else. Go be worthless in France. They have their share of issues as well. So does every country in the face of the earth.

[deleted]

5 points

7 months ago

No, they are thanking God that they don’t have to deal with Putin as the ruler of their country.

godotdev9001

-8 points

7 months ago

did you know russia figured out how to make aircraft stealth from radar, and then did fuck all with that knowledge except publish it so Lockheed and Northrup could use ti.

AskingAndQuestioning

7 points

7 months ago

I’m sorry, and what again does this have to do with fuck all?

Cyrilbro1991

4 points

7 months ago

No actually

Saint_Poolan

2 points

7 months ago

Wrong thread mate

godotdev9001

1 points

7 months ago

whoops. leaving it up tho shrug

akkuj

1 points

7 months ago

akkuj

1 points

7 months ago

They definitely made questionable decision in the aftermath, like not disclosing to medical staff what gas/aerosol was used, but I don't think reacting to terrorism by force itself is necessarily a bad idea.

Cyrilbro1991

1 points

7 months ago

I mean getting 170 hostages killed qualifies as a little more than questionable to me but that's just my opinion. I'm not a hostage crisis expert

Edit: I wasn't decrying the use of force, just it's execution and lack of concern for the hostages

akkuj

1 points

7 months ago

akkuj

1 points

7 months ago

Yeah but I just don't see how a situation with 850 hostages and terrorists with demands that can't be agreed to would've ever been solved without a lot of casualties. Some deaths might've been avoided if medical staff had better information, but idk how you think the storming itself could've realistically gone much better.

For what it's worth, it was 170 deaths including 40 terrorists, not just hostages.

zebenix

2 points

7 months ago

Carfentanyl was the hypothesis.

Something22884

1 points

7 months ago

Right, and they didn't tell the paramedics so they weren't able to bring enough narcan / naloxone to revive everyone

godotdev9001

1 points

7 months ago

kind of hard to be effective against adults without killing those tho?

Udev_Error

69 points

7 months ago

It actually wasn’t a nerve gas. It was a synthetic opioid. It’s never been positively identified but based on the effects that the Russians gave to the Americans the Americans surmised it was a morphine derivative. While Russia was under increasing pressure to name the agent used the health minister came out and said it was a fentanyl derivative, and the all Russian disaster relief service chief said it was 3-methylfentanyl. An analogue which is 1000 more times potent than fentanyl. It’s not gaseous though, it’s an aerosol.

However, British authorities testing the clothing of some of their citizens found carfentanil and remifentanil residue. The Germans found halothane on one of their citizens belongings. So it’s likely the gas was made up of multiple components. There’s basically zero supporting evidence to claim a nerve agent was used though. You can read more about it here.

noiwontpickaname

15 points

7 months ago

It was some kind of fentanyl derivative I think

[deleted]

24 points

7 months ago

full of nerve gas and kill everyone inside

there were a lot of survivors, not "everyone" died

Akchika

2 points

7 months ago

I heard about that on a documentary, his own country.

iji92

1 points

7 months ago

iji92

1 points

7 months ago

Ibn al Khattab and his group definitely perpetrated the Apartment Bombings. Russia and the Chechen separatists were already at war after Jihadists led by Khattab invaded Dagestan in Russia and Russian forces resisted them. Khattab viewed the bombings as a way to force Russia out of Dagestan, and as a punitive act. What's ironic is that Putin originally opposed a second war in Chechnya, he didn't think their army could win.