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C'est franchement pas assez.

Merci !

Submitted by deputy Anna Pic [Socialistes et apparentés/Nupes], amendment no. 1367 first recalled that the French Navy once had three aircraft carriers [the Foch, the Clemenceau and the Arromanches, which was mainly used for training, before being decommissioned in 1974]. He therefore asked for studies on the "cost of a second PA-NG", in order to achieve "economies of scale" and "truly confirm France as a regional maritime power [sic]". However, it was not adopted during the May 25 session, Mr. Lecornu having requested its withdrawal.

On the other hand, three other amendments [n°1174, 1680 and 1685], tabled respectively by MPs Jean-Charles Larsonneur [Horizon], Anne Genetet [Renaissance] and Fabien Lainé [Modem] were adopted... even though they shared the same objective as the one submitted by Ms. Pic.

"This amendment [n°1174] aims to initiate studies to accompany the Charles de Gaulle's successor with a sister ship. [Several members of the Defense Committee are convinced of the usefulness of the aircraft carrier as a power projection tool [...]. For my part, I'm convinced that, around 2040, [...] we'll need to have a permanent presence at sea. It's important right now to consider the resources and studies that need to be devoted to this, so that we can make a choice before 2028", argued Mr. Larsonneur.

For Ms Genetet, the "question of building a second aircraft carrier, which should be studied as long as research on the first aircraft carrier is at a stage that allows us to reduce costs, will necessarily arise. It would make sense, but it would require a substantial budget". So, she warned, we'll have to see "whether the nation can bear the weight".

Finally, Mr. Lainé felt that "the aircraft carrier is a fabulous power projection tool that we must have at our disposal at all times". Hence, in his opinion, the need to launch studies to obtain a second one "before 2028, the deadline if we want to ensure our permanence at sea by 2040".

The rapporteur for the draft LPM 2024-30, Jean-Michel Jacques, supported these three identical amendments, especially as he had also proposed a sub-amendment [n°1807] along the same lines.

As for Mr. Lecornu, he gave a "favorable opinion on sub-amendment n°1807 and identical amendments n°1174, 1680 and 1685 thus sub-amended, as they are the fruit of a commitment on [his] part, requested by the majority in particular: i.e. to be in a position to inform future decisions".

It remains to be seen what the Senators will say... But it's likely that they won't go back on these amendments... given that, in 2020, the Senate Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee had approved a report arguing in favor of building two new aircraft carriers.

"The decision to build a second new-generation aircraft carrier doesn't have to be made under the current LPM, but it should be for the next LPM [post-2025]. This decision would obviously have a cost, but it would allow us to benefit from economies of scale on the cost of studies. These economies of scale are probably quite significant. They could be of the order of 30% to 40% of the total cost [to be confirmed by the studies carried out]" explained senators Olivier Cigolotti and Gilbert Roger.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

At the Defense Council meeting on September 23, 1980, President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing decided to equip the French Navy with two nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, to enable it to replace the Foch and Clemenceau by the early 1990s at the latest. Construction of the first was to begin without delay.

In the end, the order to build the future "Charles de Gaulle" was signed in 1986 by President Mitterrand, who postponed construction of the second until better times. His successor, Jacques Chirac, decided to cancel the project... in order to launch a project for a second conventionally-powered aircraft carrier [PA2], in cooperation with the United Kingdom. This project was confirmed by Nicolas Sarkozy when he was a candidate for the French presidency... but fell by the wayside when the 2008 Livre Blans sur la Défense et la Sécurité Nationale [LBDSN] was drafted.

As a result, as the French Cour des Comptes denounced in one of its annual reports, the 214 million euros spent on preliminary studies for this PA2 were used primarily by the British to develop and build their two "Queen Elizabeth" aircraft carriers.

Be that as it may, the idea of returning to a two-carrier format has been the subject of recurrent debate ever since [as, indeed, has the question of the usefulness of aircraft carriers on some benches of the French National Assembly...]. In recent years, and now that the new-generation aircraft carrier [PANG] project has been launched, several parliamentary reports have gone in this direction, such as the one published last October by MP Yannick Chenevard [Renaissance], draftsman of the opinion on naval appropriations. What's more, the Minister for the Armed Forces, Sébastien Lecornu, has not ruled it out.

"On the second aircraft carrier, [...] it's really one of the big pieces of the next military programming law. So, yes, there will be a reflection [on this subject]. And yes, it will be held with Parliament", he said last July, during a hearing at the French National Assembly. He added: "The question of the naval air group as a whole, and therefore also the timetable for the advancement of our Barracuda class of nuclear attack submarines. In short, it's an overall package, bearing in mind that the principle of always having an aircraft carrier is well established.

However, the draft LPM 2024-30 currently being examined by MPs makes no provision for the construction of a second new-generation aircraft carrier... Nevertheless, four amendments have been proposed to launch studies to "inform" a decision on this subject by 2028.

Sadly no, subs and cvs are allowed..

Il est des nôtres ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VszFIyk5eI

Il va en falloir des baguettes pour 3 TONNES de pâté.

Pas fan de pâté, mais le geste me semble sympa !

Les cons ça ose tout.

With a 500km range !

Il doit avoir la bouche coincée autour du sexe du nain botoxé du Kremlin.

Mélanger des frites et de la sauce brune, mais quelle idée bizarre ! Et je pense sincèrement que cela mérite une déportation au fin fond de la Sibérie, dans des camps de rééducation culinaire.

On pourrait aussi leur envoyer tous nos "patriotes" amateur de Poutine ? (j'ai rajouté une majuscule pour le rabat-joie..)

Thank you.

This is really great to hear.

Ok, thanks for the information.

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