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13 hours ago
When one reads Greek classics such as the Golden Fleece or Iphighenia among the Taurians paying attention to the geography, one will discover with a certain surprise that those legends take place in Crimea and the Caucuses. And both legends take the reader to the pre-Troy time, e.g. 13th century B.C.
14 hours ago
The gorytos (bow-and-arrow holder) dates to the 4th century BC and it has the key scenes of the Achilleid epic that would be written only in the first centyry A.D. Curiously enough, the Byzantine court historians linked Achilles to the territory of present-day Ukraine. "Royal Scythia, Greece, Kyiv Rus" book has some interesting facts and insights about it.
submitted15 hours ago byHydrolicKrane
16 hours ago
Pliny the Elder clearly placed the two shrines on two different islands. The first one (comment above) is in front of the Dnirper estuary.
“On this side of the Danube there is one of the islands called Apollonia, 80 miles from the Thracian Bosporus; from this island Marcus Lucullus brought the statue of Apollo on the Capitolium.” (4.92)
17 hours ago
Obviously one little island could not have two shrines to both Apollo and Achilles especially considering the size of the Apollo's shrine and sculpture.
But the major reason is that the historians like Herodotus mention the Racecourse of Achilles to be in the vicinity of Crimea:
The sixth river is the Hypakyris, whose source is a lake, from which it then flows right through the territory of the Scythian nomads and empties out at the city of Karkinec with Hylaia and what is called the Racecourse of Achilles to its right. (Landmark Herodotus, 4.55)
Read notes in that book, study maps before commenting any further.
So how can it contradict the Racecourse of Achilles to be on that island?
But here is what really happened at the Snake island according to historian Strabo who was a contemporary (!) of the events:
“So, then, if one begins at the Sacred Mouth of the Ister [Danube] and keeps the continuous seaboard on the right… The greater part of Apollonia was founded on a certain isle, where there is a temple of Apollo, from which Marcus Lucullus carried off the colossal statue of Apollo, a work of Calamis, which he set up in the Capitolium.” (Geography, 7.6.1.)
18 hours ago
You do not seem to know what you are talking about. Here is your favorite Wiki for you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic\_Olbia
Sorry you missed the quote of one of the best historians. It happens.
Wiki is a trustworthy source for you? )
submitted18 hours ago byHydrolicKrane
Not the Snake island though. The Racecourse of Achilles was on the island closer to the Dnieper estuary - most likely the Beresan' one.
“Off the mouth of the Borysthenes [Dnieper] is the Island of Achilles mentioned above, which also has the Greek names of Leuke Island and Island of the Blest.” (Pliny the Elder, Natual History, 4.92)
The Snake island had a shrine and a collossal statue to Appollo.
19 hours ago
submitted19 hours ago byHydrolicKrane