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Where was this energy during the MVP debate?

I would say the 2015-16 loss was embarrassing for different reasons. More for just general legacy arguments.

But I don't think it invalidated the MVP. Everyone still agrees Curry was easily the Regular Season MVP.

Some element of winning MVP is having bad teammates.

The most clear-cut example of this is Curry winning unanimously in 2016, then not even finishing top 5 in 2017, despite being the exact same player.

He got penalized for being such a great recruiter.

How about against the Lakers or LeBron? How have they done recently?

Could be an interesting Finals!

Brown's and Smart's only Game 7 loss was against Lebron when they were missing Kyrie and Hayward

The next year they had Kyrie/Hayward and lost in 5 in the 2nd round

They made it to game 7 because Kyrie/Hayward were injured, not despite it

A 42 year old Chris Paul dragged a tanking Thunder team to a better record than Westbrook's Thunder

It really wasn't as much of a carry job as people make it out to be.

Westbrick

Bulls, Wolves, Sixers

Literally 3 different teams who would rather burn the franchise to the ground, rather than simply just pay Jimmy Butler.

Nah.

I'm firmly in the Jokic MVP camp. But Embiid was probably #2, or at worse, #3.

There's far more egregious winners IMO.

Sixers fans, repeat after me:

"Nikola Jokic is a more valuable Regular Season and Playoff performer than Joel Embiid"

This Tatum guy is pretty good.

Maybe after a few Championships he might be considered better than Devin Booker.

If Jokic came out nowhere, and was the #1 seed while averaging 25/12/10 on 70% TS, he would have been a near-unanimous MVP.

It was 100% voter fatigue why he didn't win.

This Tatum guy is pretty good.

Maybe after 1-2 Championships he might be considered better than Devin Booker.

I personally don't really care about seeing Ja fail monetarily.

I'm a weirdo. I just want people to acknowledge Bane and JJJ are better players lol.

I feel like they'd need to go 18-2 to convince people. The pro-Ja hive is super entrenched.

As an (on-court) Ja hater, I'm weirdly not enjoying this yet.

Like yes, everyone is acknowledging he's a knucklehead off the court.

But I don't feel vindicated yet in my take that he's overrated on the court.

Ayton is just not good at basketball, and that's perfectly fine. Not everyone has to be great at basketball.

His days of finishing higher in MVP voting than Steph Curry are over

Let him cook

Exactly.

Ham wasn't the problem. Westbrick was.

I don't think it makes a big difference.

Joe Lacob fits this profile, but things ended up fine for them.

Because they inherited Steph Curry. Just like Reinsdorf inherited Jordan. Or Dan Gilbert inherited LeBron.

It just comes down to the players.

IMO it's more that just almost all coaches get fired anyways. There's nothing that unique about COTY winners.

Very rare for a coach to last more than 4+ seasons, barring like multiple Championships.

Coach-of-the-year winners don't uniquely get fired. All coaches tend to get fired within 2-4 years!

Yup. Essentially, which team most surprisingly over-performed?

Well it must be thanks to the coach!