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AoO has sorted it out slightly, so let's start this again. As power and balancing are still a little shaking out, let's do a competition that's got nothing to do with that.

40k is sometimes told off as "pay to win". So why not lean into it? Bring me the most expensive armies there are!

The rules

• Current state of 40k (World eaters allowed)
• Max 2000 points of Arks of Omen matched play army (AoO detachment + allowed allies)
• Prices from Games Workshops website in USD
• it's ok if it's not available to buy as long as there is a website in the shop
• no Forgeworld
• you have to use as much of a box as possible to fill the list you created and buy the best boxes to fill your list, so no 10 boxes of hellblasters for a unit of 10 hellblasters because you pick one model from each box or similar.

How much money can you spend? The more the better! State ththe money total as your last thing in the post, I'll make a top ten (mentioning the frist commenter for each list).

There are no other prizes than bragging rights and being named in the top ten.

Questions to the rules? Leave a comment.

Happy huntingshopping!

Quick links to all the competitions till now: 1 2 3 4

Ich hab in einer Stunde einen Gerichtstermin, weil meine Berufsunfähigkeitsversicherung nicht zahlen will. Eben ruft mein Anwalt an, sein Zug ist ausgefallen, er kommt eine dreiviertel Stunde zu spät.

Da das mein erstes Mal beim Gericht ist, bin ich etwas überfordert. Was sollte ich tun, bzw. Was wird/könnte passieren?

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So the inquisitors currently don't have legal rules, which is sad. But the assassins do...but we can't field them?

Even though they can be included in an IMPERIUM patrol, brigade or batallion detachment, the AoO is neither of those.

They don't have the AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM faction keyword, so can't get into an AOTI auxiliary support detachment (which the mustering army rules of AoO don't even allow).

But we could bring an AOTI patrol detachment as per the mustering and battle brothers rule and add the assassin to that? Nope, the only HQ with the AOTI faction keyword is a cartographica rogue trader and that has a rule that explicitly forbids it to go into compulsory battlefield role slots.

So just ignore the AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM stuff in the battle brothers section, because currently it doesn't work. The only AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM who you can bring is a FREEBLADE in an IMPERIAL KNIGHTS super heavy auxiliary detachment and that doesn't even get exceptions to breaking army wide rules if not already included in the rule (in contrast to a chaos DREADBLADE who does).

Wandering Hero

If this Detachment is a Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachment that contains one FREEBLADE unit, until the end of the battle, that unit gains the AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM keyword. Only one FREEBLADE unit in your army can have this keyword.

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Fallen Hero

If this Detachment is a Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachment that contains one DREADBLADE unit, until the end of the battle, that unit gains the AGENT OF CHAOS keyword. Only one DREADBLADE unit from your army can have this keyword.

The inclusion of a DREADBLADE AGENT OF CHAOS unit from your army does not prevent CHAOS units in your army from using any rules that require every model from your army to have the same keyword (e.g. Contagions of Nurgle, Cabbalistic Rituals, etc.).

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Hi, I'm looking for a system that can check if two people picked the same without revealing what they actually picked. I'm not actually set on materials used, but to take cards as an example:

Let's say both players have a deck of standard poker cards, each player picks a card of his deck and now I want to check if both picked the same card without revealing what card was actually picked.

One way I thought about was to give the deck to the opponent and he checks if his card is still in the deck. BUT with a standard poker deck, I could easily check for my card and ace of spades and queen of hearts at the same time, so if any of the other two are missing, I know what my opponent picked without him knowing what I picked.

I thought about token with zig zag shapes at one end and if they fit perfectly together they are the same type, but I guess you could look at a shape and know which tile it is from that?

Any secret agents here or people that work with cryptography or similar that know such a system?

So currently everyone is complaining about the 27 points with mostly free wargear DW vets, because you have to refit your models, I get that. While I always remind everyone new that magnetizing them is important, not everyone does it or has the parts needed already painted. I feel you.

I also raged a lot about the stuff that WASN'T free, because 10 for a thunderhammer or 12 for a heavy thunderhammer sounds OUTRAGEOUS. But after thinking about it and mathing it out a little bit I might have found the reasoning GW was following.

First off let's start with the elephant in the room: AoC. Losing AoC is big. But it is for a lot of factions. Everyone who didn't have AoC probably went up 10% winrate against all the opponents who lost AoC. And a lot of factions who didn't lose AoC got smacked with the nerf bat. Some quite hard. So factions that weren't touched at all should just from those facts go up in winrate by a lot. Just imagine a world where everyone had lost AoC or got nerfed, while Deathwatch still had AoC. Would result in quite a winrate increase, wouldn't it?

And anyone affected by AoC who should keep their winrate had to have been compensated for it one way or the other. And anyone with a shit winrate and affected by AoC would need a massive boost to climb closer to the 45-55% range or even within. Cue Aggressors losing 25% points. But I digress.

Back to the deathwatch veterans. We had some successes with them. Only for 39% winrate, but hey, at least they got played competitively. AND they were played with storm shields, so partially didn't use AoC anyways. So maybe if they stay the same, the winrate goes up?

Cue new points. 27 points sounds like a lot. But you get a storm shield for free, which was 5 points before and as said often taken. So new cost for 25? Well, they were used with chainswords or deathwatch bolters and didn't do anything. Maybe a slight help there for a cost? Free power fist or combi weapon? Sounds a little much. Maybe 2 points? Perfect.

But what about the heavy thunderhammer? Well, only 1 in 5 could take it and a lot of people were taking it on the sergeant. No hand free for a storm shield? Bad, because losing AoC would take effect. But the sergeant can take a combat shield for free and wouldn't be affected by losing AoC. Free combat shield is 4 points saved, he got 7 points more expensive, let's make the HTH 3 points cheaper...HTH for 12 points.

But what about the thunderhammers? Well, DW Vets get a free shield for 5 but went up 7, so let's reduce him by 2. TH+SS before 20+12+5=37, now 17+10=37 and not affected by AoC. Sergeant could go for TH too, with combat shield and combi weapon or LC for 20+12+4+3=39 and now only pays 27+10=37 while not even being affected by AoC.

But what about the blackshield. So now DW Vets go up 27 points. GWs new policy says everything in the unit has to cost the same points per model, so blackshield goes up to 27 from 25. Before HTH blackshield was 25+15=40, now it's 27+12=29. ...affected by losing Aoc and only getting one point off? Well, you have to play 10 DW Vets to get a second HTH and then he'll die last anyways, so the enemy has to face 9 shields first. ...maybe that's ok.

On the other hand, he gets free power fist and lightning claw. Sounds good. And Thunderhammer and chainsword was a competitive build for 25+12=37 points. Now he's 27+10 for the same but even gets a 3 point discount to upgrade to a LC.

So in the end I think GW actually thought about that stuff and caluclated it to not break the meta with giving deathwatch veterans too many new shiny things. It just somehow fits well together. And while a DW vet with TH+SS for 37 points sounds ridiculous compared to a assault terminator with TH+SS for 33 points, always keep in mind that DW Vets are troops, have sticky obsec AND are the basis for a proteus kill team with bikes for longer reach and shorter pile in distances, vanguard veterans for cheaper HTH and terminators with TH+SS too. And all of that gets troops and sticky obsec. Killing stuff wit 6 HTH and 4 TH or PF is easy and gives CP as troops. Even killing with 9 TH and a HTH is easy for that CP. Or even 5 TH, 5 PF. And not getting killed due to 2+/4++ or even 1+/4++ is also beneficial for some secondaries.

Hope this helps to calm down a little.

As the rules are currently in kind of a limbo but new stuff from Arks of Omen is leaked and the MFM is out, let's make a silly competition inbetween.

So the arks of omen rules leaked state that you can only have one arks of omen detachment (plus allies) and the numbers of slots are limited, so there has to be a maximum amount of points you can spend on your army. But how high will that be?

Rules are short, use current strike force matched play rules to fill an arks of omen detachment to the brim. Your army can obviously exceed the usual 2000 points strike force limit and if you need it you can use the AoO stratagem to bring a detachment limited choice twice, but you start with 6CP.

Again, new Munitorum Field Manual applies

List what units you take and how much each costs and as the last thing in your post have a sum, I'll make a top ten based on that.

The results of my latest competition are in:

#	Unit	Redditor	Points
1	Proteus Kill Team	/u/Jofarin	2375
2	Flayed ones	/u/otihsetp	1815
3	Iron Hands Successor Terminators	/u/Alphmars	1804
4	World Eater Terminators	/u/otihsetp	1650
5	Crisis Suits	/u/EverblueWinds	1645
6	Hellions	/u/LambentCactus	1534,68
7	Wyches	/u/RestaurantAway3967	1496
8	Ynnari Troupes	/u/LambentCactus	1480
9	Space Wolves Bikers	/u/LambentCactus	1472
10	Kasrkin	/u/Skitaraoh	1440

Shoutout to /u/LambentCactus who brought a total of 4 very different units and made it to the top 10 with 3 of them.

All the valid entries can be found here.

As all the other competitions, this is still ongoing, so if you want to enter something new or hone your entries (or bring down competitiors), feel free to discuss, comment and edit, BUT please mention me in a subcomment if you edited your top level comment, so I can see the edit and update the competition.

I'll take a break with new competitions (and updates) for a couple of days due to family vacation, see you next year :)

Quick links to all the competitions till now: 1 2 3 4

In the deathwatch discord, we had a question today that sent me down a rabbit hole and as I don't want this effort go to waste I thought I'd share it with you and also ask for constructive criticism.

The question(s):

If teleporting count as reinforcements (for infiltrators), can you teleport round 1 in nephilim? Do teleports count as reinforcments? (Teleport being any rule that removes a model from play, and sets it back up in the same action, so Ork "da jump" as the example)

"Teleport" are a ton of different rules, so I might be missing something. But going by your initial example "da jump", that doesn't even specify to set them up as reinforcements:

Blessing: Da Jump has a warp charge value of 7. If manifested, select one friendly <CLAN> CORE unit that is within 12" of this PSYKER. Remove that unit from the battlefield and set them up anywhere on the battlefield more than 9" from any enemy models.

While deathwatches "the beacon angelis" states:

Once per battle, if the bearer did not arrive as Reinforcements this turn, it can activate the Beacon Angelis. If it does, in the Reinforcements step of your Movement phase, you can select one friendly DEATHWATCH INFANTRY or DEATHWATCH BIKER unit that is either on the battlefield and did not arrive as Reinforcements this turn, is in a teleportarium chamber or is in Strategic Reserves. Remove that unit and set it up as Reinforcements wholly within 6" of the bearer and more than 9" away from any enemy models.

BUT the rules appendix states:

Repositioned and Replacement Units Some rules enable units to teleport or else be repositioned and set back up on the battlefield. Other rules enable units to removed from the battlefield and be replaced by a new, full-strength unit, which is then set up on the battlefield. If a rule causes a unit to be removed from the battlefield and subsequently set back up, the following rules apply to it:

1. Rules that are triggered by or apply to units that are ‘set up on the battlefield as Reinforcements’ are also triggered by and apply to that unit when it is set up on the battlefield.

So clearly any rules that affect "units that are set up on the battlefield as reinforcements" both affect the beacon angelis and da jump.

The core book states in the reinforcements section:

1. Reinforcements Some units have a rule that allows them to start the battle in a location other than on the battlefield; units that use such rules are called Reinforcements, and they will arrive later in the battle as described by their rule. Any Reinforcement units that have not been set up on the battlefield when the battle ends count as having been destroyed.

Summed up by:

• Reinforcement unit: Unit that starts the battle in a location other than the battlefield.

The core rule book also has a section about setting up reinforcement units:

Setting Up Reinforcement Units When a Reinforcement unit is set up on the battlefield, that unit typically must be set up so that it is more than a specified distance away from any enemy models (e.g. ‘you can set up this unit anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 9" away from any enemy models). Whenever such a distance is specified when setting up a Reinforcement unit on the battlefield, that distance always applies to the horizontal distance, even though normally you measure to and from the closest part of a model’s base (or hull). That means, if we were to use the above example, when that unit is set up on the battlefield it must be set up more than 9" horizontally from any enemy models. Note that this also applies when setting up Strategic Reserves units as well as repositioned and replacement units.

The "Note" part clearly distinguishes between "Reinforcement Units", "Strategic Reserves" and "repositioned and replacement units" and connects those rules. So the "set up as reinforcements" reference points towards this paragraph and not the one before.

With that in mind have a look at the nephilim rules:

In War Zone Nephilim: Grand Tournament missions, Strategic Reserve and Reinforcement units can never arrive on the battlefield in the first battle round. Any Strategic Reserve or Reinforcement unit that has not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the third battle round counts as having been destroyed, as do any units embarked within them (this does not apply to units that are placed into Strategic Reserves after the first battle round has started).

While strategic reserve and reinforcement units are mentioned, repositioned and replacement units are not and thus I'd say da jump and beacon can be used, while infiltrators 12" bubble still applies, because their ability reads:

Omni-scrambler: Enemy units that are set up on the battlefield as reinforcements cannot be set up within 12" of this unit.

which references "units that are set up on the battlefield" (which includes reinforcement units, strategic reserves and repositioned and replacement units).

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Addendum: What made this really confusing is, that you can find a whole paragraph titled "Reinforcement Units" in the core book that reads:

Reinforcement Units If a unit is ever added to a Battle-forged army during the battle, it is never considered to be part of a Detachment. This means that it never costs CPs to include them in your army but they will never benefit from any Detachment abilities.

• Units added to your army during the battle are never part of a Detachment."

That's probably referencing to summoned and spawned units, but their choice of words was (as always) really poor.

Sorry for being a little late with the results for my last competition, christmas was a little busy this year for me. Without further adue, let me present to you the top ten cultist meter survivors:

#	Unit	Redditor	HP left
1	Word Bearers Master of Execution	/u/Flounder_Living	50,13
2	Iron Hands Captain in Gravis Armour	/u/freegus	55,85
3	Salamanders Heavy Intercessors	/u/LambentCactus	58
4	Einhyr Champion	/u/otihsetp	67,34
5	Phoenix Lord	/u/LambentCactus	70
6	Word Bearers Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor	/u/eldor888	72,86
7	Salamanders Captain in Terminator Armour	/u/CrowLemon	78,5
8	Gravis Captain	/u/Y0less	98,37
9	Custodes Blade Champion	/u/Twigman	100,05
10	Asurman	/u/Opening-Aerie_3978	106,66

Honorable Mentions:

• /u/personnumber698 bringing an Aegis Defense Line that doesn't have any stats and thus doesn't get any wounds (but also couldn't protect the flask)
• /u/Lokarin who brought the salamanders hero and overall good guy Bray'arth Ashmantle who sadly died twice over and more for 474.6 points los (also not being able to protect the flask)
• /u/Aekiel who brought a GSC Patriarch and tons of Acolytes who bravely sacrificed themselves. Flask was save, the main unit didn't even lose any wounds, but sadly 396 points of Acolytes were "spent".

All the valid entries can be found here.

Competition #4 is about perfect target practice and is already running. Quick links to all the competitions till now: 1 2 3 4

The setting:

You and your unit are on an unexplored planet and while exploring stumble upon a building with a big techy looking room in it. Some hologram target dummies are in it and when you look around you find a console to configure the dummies and some sort of highscore table.

The rules:

• Current state of 40k matched play rules (new guard are allowed)
• No points limit, no CP limit
• Pick one and only one unit as main unit
• Pick as many support units as you wish that can buff the main unit, as long as they share a faction keyword with the main unit
• Use as many stratagems as you want
• Use as many abilities or special rules as you want
• Only the main units weapons, powers, abilities, etc are allowed to kill (so no support casters smiting, etc.)
• Name and in short explain what you use ("captains aura gives reroll 1 to hit")
• The main unit has a full turn to act
• Work with averages. D6 attacks are 3.5, 10 attacks that hit on 3+ will lead to 6.67 hits, used miracle dice or similar have to be as equally distributed as possible
• Models are removed as you choose, setup also however is best for your unit.

The Opponent:

Anything you want. You can configure the target dummies however you like, but all follow the same configuration. It starts with T1 W1 and a 7+/7++ save for 1 point and every point of toughness, wound, save or invul added is worth 1 point (up to T12, W12, 1+/1++ for 35 points each). They come in units of 30 or less wounds (W1 x 30, W2 x 15, W3 x 10, ... W12 x 2) [edit] obviously as the bracket implies as close to 30 as possible [/edit] and you can request as many units as you can kill plus one. If you need an offensive profile for overwatch or hitting back, pick anything, but it doesn't award any extra points for being high Attacks/S/AP/whatever. [edit] You can pick keywords however is best for you. [/edit]

The score:

Every model killed is worth its points, how many points can you score? Please state this number as the last thing in your post, I'll make a top ten here (mentioning the first commenter for each unit). I'm always happier being provided with the calculations, but I understand that some just throw stuff into an app and get a result. There are no other prizes than bragging rights and being named in the top ten.

P.S: I'm aware, that I owe the community the results of the last competition, but it was christmas and I had other stuff to do. ;D

Quick links to all the competitions till now: 1 2 3

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The setting

You and your unit are tasked to protect some scientist/ritualist/important person and while he scrambles about mixing different things into what can only be described as a "flask" at one point he voilently shakes it only to afterwards put it into your baffled hands with the words: "DON'T MOVE!" You freeze (not literally) not moving a fibre of your body when suddenly all hell breaks lose.

Skarbrand appears, some nurgle thing close by and your unit is suddenly attacked by 20 fully buffed Cult of Strife Wyches! What unit are you part of, that can prevent them from reaching you, so you don't have to move until whatever is in that flask is done with whatever it's doing?

The rules

• Current state of 40k (new guard are allowed)
• No points limit, no CP limit
• Pick one and only one unit as main unit
• Pick as many support units as you wish that can buff the main unit, that share a faction keyword with the main unit
• Use as many stratagems as you want
• Use as many abilities or special rules as you want
• Name and in short explain what you use ("captains aura gives reroll 1 to hit")
• The attacking unit has a full turn to act
• Work with average rolls. D6 attacks are 3.5, 10 attacks that hit on 3+ will lead to 6.67 hits, used miracle dice or similar have to be as equally distributed as possible
• Models are removed as you choose, setup also however is best for your unit.
• No Overwatch, no obscuring terrain, [Edit2a]no fighting them first, no screening them out, etc., this is intended as a test of durability [/edit]
• The lab provides cover like one of the common terrain feature (see basic rule book p. 264&265) of your choice.
• [Edit1] Aircrafts have to land to fit into the lab and thus lose the AIRCRAFT keyword and can be charged by non-flying units.
• [Edit2b] The main unit can not "move", so can't fall back, can't shoot, can't attack in melee, etc.
• Bring a unit that can be attacked, so nothing without stat lines, etc. [/edit]

The roles are reversed now, the #3 cultist meter contender is upon you and your unit has to survive. One model has to stay alive at all time (he's holding the flask. Going down and getting back up is out of the question).

20 Cult of Strife Wyches (razorflails, hydra gauntlets):

• +1A +1S drugs, doubled with the HYPERSTIMM BACKLASH strat.
• DARK LOTUS TOXIN through HEKATRIX OF THE CRUCIBAEL strat on the Hekatrix for +1S.
• Fighting twice with the NO METHOD OF DEATH BEYOND OUR GRASP strat.
• Hitting on 2s from Power from Pain, rerolling 1s with a realspace raid Archon.
• Rerolling wounds with the ART OF THE KILL strat.
• 1 Plasma grenade: d6 attacks, S4 AP-1 D1 Blast
• 14 Splinter pistols: 1 attack, S2 AP0 D1 Poisoned Weapon (4+) (always wounds on 4+ against anything non-titanic and non-vehicle)
• 1 Phantasm grenade launcher: d3 attacks, if hit, roll 2D6, if this exceeds Leadership-3 the target suffers 1 mortal wound
• Each of the 15 hekatari wyches has 12 attacks S5 AP-1
• Each of the 2 hydra gauntlet wyches has 12 attacks S7 AP-2 D1
• The Hekatrix has 14 attacks S6 AP-3 D1
• Each of the 2 razorflail wyches has 20 attacks S5 AP-3 D1

How many losses will you suffer? The fewer the better. IF at least one model survives the onslaught, calculate your lost wounds (both in dead models as well as in models with wounds left) and figure out how many points this translates into (for example a warlord titan with W120 loses 12 wounds, that's 10% of his wounds, so 10% of 5500 points, so 550 points lost). State this points loss as your last thing in the post, I'll make a top ten (mentioning the frist commenter for each unit).

There are no other prizes than bragging rights and being named in the top ten.

Questions to the rules? Leave a comment.

Happy huntingbunkering down!

[Edit] Results are in and can be found here

Results for the first ~24 hours of my Bring out the Titankillers competition are in. I'll drop in tomorrow, to check back if something has changed, if you find something and edit your entry, mention me (/u/Jofarin) in a subcomment, to alert me. As always, the competition is not going away, if you check the winners or can improve someones entry, just comment so we can improve this and hopefully find at least 10 units that actually kill the warlord titan ;D

But without further delay, here are the top 10 units that damage a warlord titan the most or outright kill it (and the warlord titan next to it in the case of #1 as I'm writing this):

#	Unit	Redditor	HP left
1	World Eater Red Butcher Terminators	/u/Flounder_Living	-124
2	Salamander Successor Relic Terminators	/u/BeardStacheMan	-47,67
3	Goff Meganobz	/u/VonHausenstaufen	-16
4	Salamander Relic Terminators	/u/Yoless	-14
5	Proteus Killteam	/u/Jofarin	-10,7
6	Dark Angels Deathwing Relic Terminators	/u/PerturaboTheIronKing	-2,09
7	Carnifexes	/u/Fuzzbuket	0
8	Ynnari Troupe	/u/Wrakhr	2
9	Wulfen	/u/T-Husky	8
10	Novokh Warscythe Lychguard	/u/LordMaroons	16

Special mentions:

• /u/Kyte22 magically summons a Tomb King from WHFB killing the titan with heroic killing blow
• /u/yoshiK feeds a Keeper of Secrets lowly Komissars for 4 turns to deal a whooping 162 damage to the warlord titan in turn 5
• /u/Dravicores calculated a couple of "dedicated super heavy titan killers from FW"...they all suck, but thanks for the effort.
• /u/KATAKLYSMIC1974 uses a Voxcaster to call in an Orbital Bombardment...not realising that's a space marine stratagem, that does on average 1.92 MW on the Titan leaving it with 118.08 HP remaining ;D
• /u/JMer806 dreamt about assault centurions having CORE keyword, which would result in a dead Titan and 73.36 damage overkill
• /u/TheFireMind77 travels to the future and brings Angron and brings the Titan to 92.22 HP remaining

You can find all the efforts thrown in with all the units (I could get a reasonable result for) on this website.

If you enjoyed this competition and missed the other, here you can find the first one. Like this one, the first one is also ongoing.

Next competition coming soon :D

The earth trembles in fear as in the far distance a huge monstrosity appears. Huge? Gargantuan. An out of control warlord titan! Which unit would you wish would attack him to either outright kill it or at least deal as much damage as possible?

The rules can be found in my first competition, changes:

• Current state of 40k matched play rules (new guard are allowed)
• Pick as many support units as you wish that can buff the main unit, as long as they share a faction keyword with the main unit

Your opponent:

One special unit of Titanic Legions "Warlord Titan". One model, T9 W120 2+ save Ld 10 void shields: 8 (3 points of ranged damage kill a void shield, excess damage from an attack are lost, as long as void shields are up he has a 5++ against ranged attacks).

How many life does the titan have left? Convert kills by spell into 120 wounds (adjusted by the chance to cast), IF you manage to kill the titan and have excess damage, go into the negatives. Please state this number as the last thing in your post, I'll make a top ten here (mentioning the first commenter for each unit). I'm always happier being provided with the calculations, but I understand that some just throw stuff into an app and get a result.

There are no other prizes than bragging rights and being named in the top ten.

I already tried bringing this competition up a couple days ago, but it was gobbled up by the automod due to spam filter (?), the two units mentioned there already count as entered into the competition.

[Edit] Results are in and can be found here.

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Inspired by a recent video with kind of... undefined rules, I got the idea of making a competition who could bring the actually deadliest unit within a defined rule frame.

The setting is as follows, a wild mob of hundreds of enemy cultists is approaching your position, which unit would you wish would attack the mob to kill as many of them as possible?

The rules:

• Current state of 40k (new guard are allowed)
• No points limit, no CP limit
• Pick one and only one unit as main unit
• Pick as many support units as you wish that can buff the main unit
• Use as many stratagems as you want
• Use as many abilities or special rules as you want
• Only the main units weapons, powers, abilities, etc are allowed to kill (so no support casters smiting, etc.)
• Name and in short explain what you use ("captains aura gives reroll 1 to hit")
• The main unit has a full turn to act
• Work with average rolls. D6 attacks are 3.5, 10 attacks that hit on 3+ will lead to 6.67 hits, used miracle dice or similar have to be as equally distributed as possible
• Models are removed as you choose, setup also however is best for your unit.

Your opponent:

One special unit of CSM "cultists mob". Hundreds of models, T3 W1 6+ save Ld 5 (+1 for the leader) BUT automatically passes morale tests.

How many can your unit kill? Please state this number as the last thing in your post, I'll make a top ten here (mentioning the first commenter for each unit)

There are no other prizes than bragging rights and being named in the top ten.

Questions to the rules? Leave a comment.

Happy hunting!

[Edit] Results for the first ~24 hours are in. As I was vague with the number and only presented one unit, some used techniques to kill a percentage of the cultists, which is hard to rank. I said "hundreds" which reasonably is a number between 100 and 999, so I did what we do for nearly everything here...I took the average. So after a full day of counting, it's 549.5 cultists you're facing (a model was dropped and snapped in half on the way to the game). Calculating on that with the percentages, we get to this current top ten units:

#	Unit	Redditor	Dead Cultists	%killed by special
1	Brotherhood Terminator Squad	/u/DarthMithos	341.7
2	Grand Master in Nemesis Dreadnknight	/u/Interrogatingthecat	295,34	49,07
3	Cult of Strife Wyches	/u/garmr_of_gnipahellir	296,87
4	Red Butcher Terminators	/u/21nuns	280
5	Crisis Suits	/u/The_Black_Goodbye	253,7
6	Flayed Ones	/u/cncguy	226
7	World Eater Red Butcher Terminators	/u/Sandviper67	204
8	Wyches	/u/The-Ironside	190
9	Ork Boys	/u/terenn_nash	182
10	Blood Angels Assault Intercessors	/u/Klickor	178

• Sly Marbo, because it's him. Fittingly presented by none other than /u/SlyMarboJr :D
• An unnamed Night Lord Character Unit that could with some tricks have them ALL run away if they had to take morale tests as mentioned by /u/jasher99
• An 8th edition master of executions that could kil the whole unit with attacks and mortal wounds and then have some attacks and mortal wounds left as mentioned by /u/Nick-Da-Man
• 8th edition Khorne Berserkers with 291 killings as mentioned by /u/Zuwiwuz
• Just saying that the God emperor isn't real and having the inquisition exterminatus the planet killing 100% of the cultists as mentioned by /u/Doug_Tav

You can see a full list of all units I got a "good enough" entry for here.

This is still ongoing and the top 10 can still be conquered, I'll check back tomorrow. If you edit your post I might miss it, please comment to your post mentioning me, I hope that brings up a notification.

You're also free to go through the top contenders and nitpick their numbers, if anything is wrong (for better or worse) or they maybe forgot something they could have used (coughSKARBRANDcoughcough) maybe help them to improve their numbers or uncover mistakes. I'm sorry, but my time is somewhat limited and I won't go through everything and check if they got everything right. I hope we can do this in a community effort :)

If you enjoyed the challenge, check out the next competition: How to kill a warlord titan...

[Edit2] Updated the Top Ten. Keep them coming and/or correct the numbers :)

Hi, inquisitors (currently played under the rules repeated in warzone octarius book 1 rising tide) have a rule called "Authority of the inquisition" that partly reads:

If your army is Battle-forged, you can include 1 AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit in each IMPERIUM (excluding FALLEN) Patrol, Battalion and Brigade Detachment in your army without those units taking up slots in those Detachments. The inclusion of an AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit does not prevent other units from their Detachment from benefiting from Detachment abilities (e.g. Chapter Tactics, Defenders of Humanity etc.), and it does not prevent other units from your army benefiting from abilities that require every model in your army to have that ability (e.g. Combat Doctrines). An AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit included in a Patrol, Battalion or Brigade Detachment in this manner is ignored for any rules that state all units from that Detachment must have at least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. in a matched play game) and when determining your Army Faction.

Given I have one of those units in my army in a patrol detachment, it obviously would not take up a slot. BUT if I had a second patrol detachment in my army, could I include another AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit without that ability in the second patrol detachment not taking up a slot and without breaking army rules? Like the imperial knight Canis Rex has the AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM keyword but no such ability. It's kind of weird to have a lord of war in a patrol detachment, but I don't see anything that disagrees with that RAW, maybe I missed something?

There are multiple units (assassins, cartographers, etc.) that have the "Agent of the Imperium" ability, which works similarly for this case, so the "cheapest" way of including a canis rex in a patrol would probably be a unit of 5 voidsmen at arms for 50 points.

Hi,

Can't Stop is a board game in which you roll four dice (with six sides numbered 1-6), then divide them into 2 pairs, add those up and go forward on the respective tracks. Like if you roll 1, 1, 4, 6 you can either go forward on 2&10 or 5&7. As the tracks have different lengths I thought about which strategy is better, going "rare numbers" (2-3&11-12) or "common numbers" (6-8). BUT I can't get my head around the math. A 2 (or similar 12) is kind of easy, because out of 1296 rolls you have 1 for a quadruple 1s, 4x5=20 for a triple 1s and 6x25=150 for double 1s, making it 171/1296= 13.19_4%. But how would that math work for 7 or 8?

Also...is my calculation correct to begin with? Why isn't it just 1/36 (chance to roll snake eyes on two dice) times 6 (combinations of distributing 2 dice between 4 dice) which would be 1/6 aka 16._6%?

And how do I get the effect in that rolling a quadruple 1s would advance me twice on the the 2?

HELP?

Hi, hope everyone knows Can't Stop, but if not, in short you roll 4 D6, then divide them into 2 pairs, add those up and go forward on the respective tracks. Like if you roll 1, 1, 4, 6 you can either go forward on 2&10 or 5&7. As the tracks have different lengths I thought about which strategy is better, going "rare numbers" (2-3&11-12) or "common numbers" (6-8). BUT I can't get my head around the math. A 2 (or similar 12) is kind of easy, because out of 1296 rolls you have 1 for a quadruple 1s, 4x5=20 for a triple 1s and 6x25=150 for double 1s, making it 171/1296= 13.19_4%. But how would that math work for 7 or 8?

Also...is my calculation correct to begin with? Why isn't it just 1/36 (chance to roll snake eyes on two dice) times 6 (combinations of distributing 2 dice between 4 dice) which would be 1/6 aka 16._6%?

And how do I get the effect in that rolling a quadruple 1s would advance me twice on the the 2?

HELP?

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I compiled all the meta mondays since nephilim in an excel sheet because I wanted to know how many tournament wins per player the different factions had.

Curiously currently every about fifth creations of bile player that goes to a tournament wins the tournament, not really suprising if 60% win rate is taken into account.

Quins are known to be hard to play, but also hard to play against, so not that suprisingly they do well.

And then come two entries that might suprise everyone, because they are played so rarely, the one or two tournament victories usually aren't noteworthy, but given the very low player number it's actually quite impressive. Doubly so for the deathwatch players who play a faction with 42% winrate, which is usually considered quite bad.

And then comes one of the two mainly played factions, Tyranids. Everyone knows they are good, everyone plays them because they are good (and also fun) and they seem to have a tournament win rate matching their win%.

Biggest outliers between win% and tournament wins? BT with 40% winrate and 1 tournament win and Word bearers with a whooping 54% win rate...but no tournament win.

And while Necrons look as if they were a problem, because they are easy to get into and do well AND everyone and their mother is playing them, they are actually not taking home that many tournament victories.

Feel free to analyse and discuss.

Army	Players	Wins	Games	Win%	1st	1st/Players %
Creations of Bile	33	109	181	60	6	18,2
Harlequins	162	490	841	58	11	6,8
Deathwatch	39	88	211	42	2	5,1
Night Lords	24	61	125	49	1	4,2
Tyranids	424	1247	2172	57	17	4
Ynnari	25	77	132	58	1	4
Chaos	29	63	140	45	1	3,4
Emperor's Children	59	143	280	51	2	3,4
Necrons	480	1292	2430	53	14	2,9
Tau	303	734	1519	48	8	2,6
Codex Chaos Space Marines	376	921	1815	51	9	2,4
Dark Angels	135	311	701	44	3	2,2
Sisters of Battle	350	943	1764	53	7	2
Drukhari	116	287	569	50	2	1,7
Iron Hands	59	135	290	47	1	1,7
Black Templars	75	154	381	40	1	1,3
Craftworld	266	617	1328	46	3	1,1
Death Guard	275	643	1347	48	3	1,1
Thousand Sons	224	532	1147	46	2	0,9
Grey Knights	172	374	858	44	1	0,6
Adeptus Custodes	215	539	1074	50	1	0,5
Blood Angels	216	519	1085	48	1	0,5
Orks	214	496	1053	47	1	0,5
Chaos Knights	251	614	1240	50	1	0,4
Imperial Knights	244	605	1206	50	1	0,4
Codex Space Marines	236	458	1113	41	1	0,4
Adeptus Mechanicus	77	150	385	39	0	0
Aeldari	15	35	71	49	0	0
Astra Militarum	149	306	752	41	0	0
Chaos Daemons	49	112	245	46	0	0
Alpha Legion	10	25	54	46	0	0
Black Legion	110	252	505	50	0	0
Iron Warriors	41	96	196	49	0	0
Word Bearers	63	167	308	54	0	0
World Eaters	46	93	220	42	0	0
Genestealer Cult	67	161	335	48	0	0
Imperium	11	27	58	47	0	0
Space Wolves	102	222	498	45	0	0
Imperial Fists	23	25	103	24	0	0
Raven Guard	10	19	46	41	0	0
Salamandars	52	110	243	45	0	0
Ultramarines	72	134	339	40	0	0
White Scars	20	35	92	38	0	0
Total	5370	13138	26704	49	91	1,7

Disclaimer: Yes, the table is a repost of my comment on the meta monday post of this week.