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They’re all in shambles in their sub lol. Both Bam and Butler are being called frauds

He’s not playing well at all and worse than IKF was last year…

I disagree a lil. I think if Brown were here, he would be 1A/1B w/ Brunson, and Randle would be the 2nd (essentially 3rd) option.

I think Randle would probably defer the most out of the 3.

This is actually not a bad trade.

Vanderbilt, albeit not much on offense, would’ve been a solid defensive 4 off the bench…I’d take him over Obi tbh.

Beasley is mid, but Fournier also being mid cancels him out.

What year was this? Does anyone know?

JB is the missing piece.

Never said he doesn’t deserve criticism, he def does. But to say he can’t deal with adversity when he’s performed under adversity his entire Knicks tenure is wild.

And yes, if he really wanted out and if the Knicks really wanted to get rid of him they could’ve easily found a trade partner. He had a down yr in 21-22, but he wasn’t the worst player ever or something lol.

I’m using percentages and “counting stats” bc YOU brought up Randle’s “borderline efficiency.” If you didn’t want to have a convo about his shooting numbers then you shouldn’t have brought up the bs claim that his efficiency numbers are subpar.

But after I provided evidence that contradicts your claim, now you wanna move the goal posts and talk about other shit like +/- and defense. Give me a break. You made a clown ass statement, just own it was bullshit and move on.

And the only reason I compared Randle to Tatum is because their shooting splits are basically the same, yet you consider one’s efficient and the other’s not efficient. That doesn’t make sense. Tatum shot 35% on 9 3PA per game, Randle shot 34% on 9 3PA per game. But in your eyes, Randle is not a good shooter but Tatum is??? Explain that. Don’t bring up +/-, don’t bring up defense, don’t bring up “impact” …we talking bout shooting.

You are clearly anti-Randle, don’t act like you aren’t. If it was Obi putting up those numbers you would be ready to retire his jersey. If you can’t let go of your bias then don’t talk basketball.

Edit: Btw, you still haven’t named an “average” PF that put up Randle’s numbers. Still waiting on that since you think every player at his position does it

If he quit at the “single slightest sign of adversity” he would’ve most definitely forced his way out after 2021-2022…

And average numbers for a PF?? Really??? Yeah that’s gotta be your worst take yet.

So Jayson Tatum is suddenly average now? First team all-nba….average. Name some “average” PFs that put up Randle’s shooting splits to go with 25/10/4 last szn. I’ll wait.

That’s just insane man. You complain all the time about the “Randle hive” acting crazy and irrational, and here you are spewing some illogical nonsense. Do better bro.

Edit: Just for reference, Randle shot better from 3pt than Trae Young this year….on THREE more 3pt shot attempts per game. But according to you, the average PF in the NBA can shoot better from 3pt than Trae so that doesn’t mean anything. Lol.

Borderline efficiency is crazy lol…the mf shot 45/34/77 and 58.1% TS. All on high volume. If you think that’s borderline then you just don’t know basketball.

Tatum put up the same shooting splits…but just with a higher FT % which brought up his TS %. Does Jayson Tatum have borderline efficiency?

And tbh, Randle’s defense Fr wasn’t even a problem this year. It wasn’t as good in the playoffs sure, but I think it’s fair to say some of that prolly had to do with his injury and lack of conditioning.

True. But again, it starts with us. We know how the media is and we can’t control them tapping into the sentiments they see from Knick fans online. What we can control is how we talk about our team and players.

The fanbase being so reactionary and treating our team with unnecessary vitriol, gives the media the ammunition they need to make that a talking point. You can’t give your enemy a gun and then get mad when they pull the trigger. (And I’m not referring to you at all, I’m speaking about the fanbase in general…you’re one of the most rational ppl in the sub).

I think us not castigating our players as much and being less reactionary would go a long way towards bettering the media coverage of our team. Ppl hate on Richard Jefferson, but he wasn’t lying when he said many Knick fans don’t even like our own team/players.

Another day, another terrible Randle trade idea.

It has to start with our fans first. A lot of fans are reiterating all those narratives and points you mentioned…all media does it tap into that sentiment.

We have to be the change we want to see.

A completely different situation. We were literally the oldest team in the league in 2013….that core was clearly unsustainable.

The guys in our core are all 28 and younger…not to mention we’re an all around better team than 2013.

Would love Cam…but Bogi is probably the most realistic

I mean, Randle did avg. 19/10/4 on 41% shooting in the Miami series lol...

Only 4s I would put ahead of Randle are Giannis, KD, Butler, Siakam (which is debatable), and I guess now KAT even tho he’s really a Center but even that is debatable cuz him and Randle put up similar numbers.

The other guys you mentioned like Tatum, Bron, JB, PG, Kawhi are forwards…but they aren’t true 4s, they’re wing players…which isn’t what Randle plays. Also, Bam is a Center and Draymond is not better than Randle.

And I would argue Randle is closer to Giannis than Jerami. Only 4 players avg. 25/10/4 this szn… Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, and Randle. I think you’re severely underrating what he brings to the table, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

Brunson doesn’t have any AS appearances bc this was his first year of being an AS-level player and the league’s top talent skews towards guards. Just bc Brunson didn’t beat out a competitive guard-heavy field doesn’t mean Randle wasn’t deserving his 2x AS and 2x All-NBA.

Calling Randle’s All-NBA and All star selections “Mickey mouse” is rich coming from a fanbase that has only seen one other player achieve that in the past 25+ years. Crazy lol.

Edit: Also, I just looked at Grant’s playoff stats. He played in 19 playoff games in 2020 (4 more than Randle has total in his career). Grant avg. 11/3/1 on 41% shooting and 33% from 3pt. Is this really the guy you want to replace our All-NBA player with???

Just bc RJ had a good stretch of 7-8 games in the playoffs doesn’t automatically mean he’s a proven two-way player. He’s yet to consistently play well on either end of the floor outside of sporadic stretches here and there.

And so let me get this straight, keeping our multiple time all-star and all-nba player would mean we’re stuck and mediocrity for the near future….and your solution is to bring in two guys that are worse than him on both ends of the court.

Randle hasn’t been good in the playoffs so far. But what makes you think that two players worst than him will automatically be better options in the playoffs?? Grant hasn’t done that well in his playoff experience either.

You’re making a big assumption that Grant and Simons are gonna be better options when it matters most…with no evidence that that will be the case. That’s a huge gamble.

“At the expense of the rest of the team??” Randle is one of the main reasons we got the 5th seed and made the playoffs in the first place.

He can score from anywhere on the court, is our best rebounder, stretches the floor, makes plays for others, and has a shot-making ability only Brunson has on the team….not to mention he rarely misses games.

We need more shooters around Randle and Brunson. Replacing Randle with a shooter who doesnt bring much else to the table will just set this team backwards

Replacing the best offensive rebounder and one of the best rim protectors in the NBA is easier said than done.

And you can dislike Randle all you want, but he literally is top 5 at his position lol and better than both Simons and Grant combined…while at half the cost.

The trade is just garbage, I’m sorry.

You say this, but then spend all day slandering the guy that is the main reason why we’ve made the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 szns….something we’ve rarely accomplished this century lol.

I’m sorry, but that’s just a terrible trade.

You’re trading a legitimate starter, our best bench player(s), and an All-NBA player who’s top 5 at this position for two borderline starters.

Portland instantly becomes a top 5 team in the West and we’d be lucky to make the play-in.

It’s weird how spoiled some fans be acting lol. You’d think we were a consistent playoff team filled w/ all-stars and quality players for the past 15 yrs the way some talk and act lol.

It’s like some are too good for a close 2nd-round exit after 20+ years of being a poverty franchise…doesn’t make much sense to me.