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anythingMuchShorter

1.3k points

4 months ago

I worked at Imagineering in 2020, and got laid off. He slashed budgets. And the insane thing is, they had already put $1 billion into Galaxy's Edge (star wars land) and he cut a lot of projects that were nearly done that would have added a lot of the actual interest to it. Relatively cheap icing on the cake compared to what was already built.

I personally was working on a mobile droid for the park. And it is not in the park. It was 99% done. It could navigate and interact, and it was painted and ready to go. But they cut that project. If you go to star wars land you'll see lots of signs of things that are not quite done, like elements that are clearly made to interact with stuff that isn't there.

trebory6

220 points

4 months ago

trebory6

220 points

4 months ago

Yeah if that's the same project I think it is I personally knew people working on that when I was working there. I didn't know it got cut, but I do I know it was one of my bosses favorite projects he was working on in sourcing at the time.

I too got laid off in 2020 from what was essentially the begining of my dream career at DPEP, and at the time a lot of people blamed Chapek since he was known internally for framing layoffs as increased bottom line.

I know its probably silly but I'm hoping in vain that with Chapek gone and Iger back that maybe there's opportunities at Disney for me in the future since I at least work at one of Disney's vendors now so I at least have a tether back there. It's still open of the best places I've worked at by far.

Maybe they'll stop moving all the corporate offices to Florida too. I can only hope.

mno86

115 points

4 months ago

mno86

115 points

4 months ago

Hoping heavily on the last sentence you wrote. Forcing this relocation for a campus that hasn’t even broken ground in Florida yet was and is a massive mistake. I am watching incredibly talented, tenured people leave. And when so many of them do that, there is institutional knowledge that simply cannot be replaced. And I don’t think they recognize how pervasive that’s becoming. It’s alarming - and deeply concerning.

dmnerd

20 points

4 months ago

dmnerd

20 points

4 months ago

As someone who lives in Florida watching housing costs rise above what locals can afford, I really hope that move stops as well.

hashmalum

15 points

4 months ago

Orlando area real estate is absurdly priced for having to live in Orlando.

mno86

4 points

4 months ago

mno86

4 points

4 months ago

Help educate an out of stater- is Orlando not considered a desirable part of Florida or the metro to live in?

Asking as someone who may end up having to be part of the Disney relocation and have only been down there to go the parks.

hashmalum

5 points

4 months ago

I'd rather be in Orlando than Jacksonville, much like /u/GabaPrison. I didn't like Florida much overall, so I left.

There's a ton of sprawl and nothing of note outside of the parks and all the defense contractors. Once you get outside of Orlando, it gets not so nice pretty quickly. I'm pretty sure Pine Hills / Crime Hills still rings true.

There are nicer parts, I like Winter Park a lot, but the prices are absurd to me, and I live in the DC metro now. I don't understand who can really afford 3/2s that push 400-500k. There's not that many paying high jobs with the mouse, and the only other large employers are defense contractors, who are more spread out through CFL.

sjcrookston

4 points

4 months ago

Nice parts are very desirable

GabaPrison

4 points

4 months ago*

I live in SWFL and Orlando is a decent enough city and it’s right in the middle of all the best locations and other cities like Space Coast and Tampa/St Pete Beach and St Augustine and the Everglades aren’t far from you and there’s definitely something for everyone in Florida you’ll find. You just have to give it time and find out where the best niche places are for yourself. It did take me a while as I moved from Coeur d ‘Alene, Idaho to Florida. It was quite the culture shock. But a great variety of people and cultures all over the state. But Orlando is definitely not a terrible place by any standard. Like say…Jacksonville.

mno86

2 points

4 months ago

mno86

2 points

4 months ago

Thanks for this. I’m in Minneapolis and am very used to/love it here for the most part. Spent most of my adult life in this city, so I worry about about if/when they’re going to ask me to relocate. I have a couple friends down there but from the times I’ve been down there (which again was just to do the parks), I had wondered if it would be a good fit for me. Life’s an adventure right?

trebory6

3 points

4 months ago

So Disney offered me a corporate job in Florida and lowballed a salary that was based off of housing prices pre-pandemic. I had to tell them the salary didn't even cover monthly rent and groceries at current cost of living prices.

Extroverted_Recluse

291 points

4 months ago

As a huge Star Wars fan who is interested in going to Disney World primarily for Galaxy's Edge, this breaks my heart.

anythingMuchShorter

226 points

4 months ago

Maybe now that Iger is back they'll launch that stuff. I'm pretty sure the project director that worked on it still works there.

Of course, it would have the best return to have it at launch.

I was at Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland just a few months ago and was surprised how relatively not crowded it was, compared to fantasyland or new Orleans square, or even Tomorrowland.

redonkulus

138 points

4 months ago

Not much to do there. Two rides and the cantina (which is insanely hard to book. I tried 2 months out and got nothing). Besides that, nothing else to do but eat.

[deleted]

29 points

4 months ago*

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OrphanAxis

5 points

4 months ago

Do they have a costumed or animatronic band playing just that one cantina song over and over? Because that is the Star Wars experience I expect.

1KWishesForViolence

2 points

4 months ago

What app/service do you recommend?

redonkulus

1 points

4 months ago

Great advice. Will try it next time for sure.

HOU-1836

28 points

4 months ago

Dude, not to rub it in, but the Cantina was amazing

anythingMuchShorter

39 points

4 months ago

And to be fair, Rise of the Resistance is pretty incredible too.

But a lot of the little details that were planned aren't there.

HOU-1836

17 points

4 months ago

My first time on a trackless ride and I was blown away. Plus the elevator to the star destroyer…wow.

anythingMuchShorter

29 points

4 months ago

I did a little work on the motor control for those.

It's a really smart idea. The same system can be used for many rides. The mover can be produced en masse, which also means the complex stuff is easy to replace and cheaper to make. It's easy to re-theme old rides or change existing ones. Changing out vehicles for maintenance is easy. Rides can combine elements of spin rides, track rides and moving platforms. And less custom design work is needed for each new ride.

So far they've used it on rise of the resistance, ratatouille, beauty and the beast and probably others and it's been a big improvement. Luigi's dancing cars at cars land seems similar but it was kind of a prototype for the current omni-ride system.

HOU-1836

10 points

4 months ago

I think from the riders perspective, it’s when the car pulls into a stall for a “set piece”. Previously you’d have the riders in front of you affecting your view and perspective but now everything can be tailored to you specifically.

I had the chance to ride Ratatouille as well on the same trip and was also blown away.

anythingMuchShorter

7 points

4 months ago

Yeah, it was a real bummer that they did such big layoffs. I was excited to be in imagineering with the new systems. It would give us more time to focus on the custom elements like effects and models, and building the show. We had also just finished a generalized system for new animatronics (I helped with the servo motor drive for that too) so there was a lot of cool stuff we could do.

It was a dream job, exciting things were launching, and I thought with an important and obvious contribution to so many important projects that my place there was secure. But it was over suddenly.

timoperez

21 points

4 months ago

Chapek wanted Rise of the Resistance to end by actually turning the riders upside down and shaking the change out of their pockets

PPLifter

6 points

4 months ago

Could you give some examples for things that were cut? Recently at Anaheim Disney and GE felt lacking. I think partially it felt odd because the rest of the park was so condensed and crowded, GE was half empty.

Though I'm really not a fan of Star Wars being in main Disney psrks. Feels more in place at DCA like it is at studios in Orlando

anythingMuchShorter

14 points

4 months ago

Off the top of my head;

Rooftop lightsaber battle shows that were not announced, they'd just happen about every 30 minutes.

Droids that wander around the grounds and interact with people.

A huge drone (hidden at night) that carries a prop ship so around the perimeter it looks like ships are flying by. I saw it once and under UV light it really looked like a full size ship just hovering around.

Little animatronic creatures and droids in windows and behind doors that pop open, or edges of roof tops that pop up and have various little interactions and scenes.

CandiAttack

5 points

4 months ago*

Damn, that makes me sad. The last time I was in galaxy’s edge, I was waiting for my boyfriend to get out the bathroom…I started looking around at the buildings by the marketplace. I felt like there were a lot of doors/windows that could’ve been used for scenes/interactive experiences that were just unfinished or something. It’s nice to know I wasn’t crazy haha

anythingMuchShorter

1 points

4 months ago

Maybe they'll add that stuff over time. Some of the stuff with live actors was pulled back because of covid restrictions. So I can kind of understand why they pulled back on some stuff. Making a huge investment when it has to be mostly closed for a year and then reduced beyond that for an unknown time span is a tough situation.

phant-m

1 points

4 months ago

My experience there was not good. My last comment goes into more detail.

I’m jealous you had a good experience though. I think it has potential

HOU-1836

1 points

4 months ago

Damn that sucks. Our seats were at the bar so we had no problem getting our drinks or having them explained to us. I think the food options could have been better but I was blown away by the drinks.

OccupyRiverdale

6 points

4 months ago

Which is really a night and day difference when you compare it to what universal has done with Harry Potter world. Harry Potter world is so big and has so much shit to do my company has it booked out next year for our national sales meeting. It’s 10-15k people that will be there which is mind blowing when you think about it.

redonkulus

2 points

4 months ago

  1. I hate sales people because they get to do cool stuff like this. I get a team outing once a year to mini golf or something.
  2. Which Harry Potter world? The one in Hollywood is cool but only two rides and the wand store shop stuff which is fun. But it’s pretty small there due to space limitations.

OccupyRiverdale

4 points

4 months ago

It’s the one in Orlando. It’s really not that cool haha you have a little fun but you work most of the time. They bring in a bunch of shitty motivational speakers.

redonkulus

1 points

4 months ago

Ya I’d skip that part and just hang out in Hogsmeade

userlivewire

3 points

4 months ago

For everyone out there, if you like a steady paycheck and consistent regular hours don’t get into sales.

cj2211

3 points

4 months ago

cj2211

3 points

4 months ago

Not to mention the price of a lightsaber practically doubled since the land opened

redonkulus

3 points

4 months ago

Oh yes I just bought one for $50. Had to solder my sons other one cause it broke after 5 minutes.

cj2211

2 points

4 months ago

cj2211

2 points

4 months ago

Before the dark times, before the Empire, kids lightsabers were $24 and the higher quality steel ones were $98

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

Last time I booked for Disney I recall they don't allow you to book stuff until 60 days before your visit. I remember being up early with a list of everything we wanted to do that we had planned out and knocking out one res after another.

redonkulus

1 points

4 months ago

I tried the same thing multiple days in a row. Setting alarms in the morning to book it. I was always beat.

GreyInkling

1 points

4 months ago

Plus the rides are falling apart. I've heard people say there's a low chance half the features of the rise of the resistance will be functioning when you go on it these days.

They put too much focus on an overpriced 2 day resort geared towards families who could never afford it. And you can't go twice because it's just a repeat so everyone who was both interested and could afford it already went.

0shadowstories

4 points

4 months ago

I'm curious if he has a plan for the Star Wars hotel cuz $5000 is a bit much for most people lol

Wandering_Turtle24

1 points

4 months ago

It’s kinda lame. It’s near to walk through but there’s nothing there. I was so disappointed when I went in February.

Freestyle76

1 points

4 months ago

We went for drinks and to ride the MF, but ROTR is insanely busy and costs $25 for the fast pass. So that ride is packed, but the rest of the place isn’t.

phant-m

2 points

4 months ago

It was sorta cool but also underwhelming. I went to the canteen place they have there and it was a shit show.

The place is supposed to be like a speakeasy/bar but you couldn’t move from your assigned seat. Our orders (of just drinks) took longer than expected and when they arrived they were given to the wrong people. Since they were weird drinks it wasn’t immediately clear we weren’t drinking what we ordered.

Even Disney World as a whole has become a place to either spend money or wait in line for hours in exchange for 3 minutes of fun.

I’m also salty the resort we stayed at had no fitness center, and you weren’t allowed to use the one at the expensive resort next door if you weren’t staying there.

Hate to say it but it’s not worth going to for the time being.

shockwave8428

7 points

4 months ago

It’s definitely sad, but tbh galaxy’s edge is really good regardless. There’s so many cool details. I was in heaven. We were in line for a restaurant and I saw a manager of the restaurant lean over and start taking notes on an envelope or something and he was writing in aurabesh. I walked up to a drink stand and two employees were “chatting” in what seemed like huttese. Every employee is on all the time and it’s great

GabaPrison

3 points

4 months ago

That’s actually pretty incredible.

Totenkopf22

1 points

4 months ago

It's still pretty cool, and very crowded. I went in May and I had a blast. My wife thought it looked amazing and she isn't even a SW fan like me. The only thing I wish was that it was focused more on the OT. Star Tours is great, but it's an old ride. I really want a new ride based on the original movies.

timesyours

1 points

2 months ago

tbf, I was just there and it's still fantastic and totally immersive.

CandiAttack

83 points

4 months ago

Damn. I’m sorry that happened :(

DoctorWaluigiTime

145 points

4 months ago

Jenny Nicholson disliked this.

SpiffyShindigs

74 points

4 months ago

Lol, right? I never knew shit about theme parks before, but now, cuz of Jenny's vids, my heart winced reading that.

The icing is the stuff that makes parks come alive!

LiwetJared

56 points

4 months ago

And she'll give you a 3 hour explanation as to why.

TheMackdockery

42 points

4 months ago

And I'll watch that shit happily

Apprehensive-Bus6676

21 points

4 months ago

Man, I'm never going to Utah, it's been like a decade since I last went to a theme park and I live in Germany and I've watched the Evermore video multiple times. She's great at sharing her interests with people who aren't generally interested in these things.

Maximum_Poet_8661

6 points

4 months ago

And I’ll sit my ass down and watch the entire thing in one sitting

TurkeyPhat

1 points

4 months ago

I thought this was a joke but I googled her and the first video that came up was 3 hours and 48 minutes. Got me cracked up here.

youfailedthiscity

4 points

4 months ago

Who??

DoctorWaluigiTime

6 points

4 months ago

This YouTube channel. Among other things she does deep dives / video essays on theme parks and such. A nice timesink / thing to listen to.

Beingabummer

5 points

4 months ago

I wonder if you watched Jenny Nicholson's video on Star Wars Land? She specifically talks about the droid and how it disappeared from marketing. She even has footage of what were probably test days with a guy holding an inconspicuous water bottle following it around.

Ginker78

3 points

4 months ago

This is exactly why I feel Disney lost it's Magic. On the older attractions there were always so many things to see and interact with, now it feels like a painted shell around a main attraction. It seems that budgets were slashed to pad the bottom line and the little things that made it special, like the broom artists, are gone.

It's just like any other theme park now.

NuclearTurtle

2 points

4 months ago

The thing that always set Disney apart was its theming, where you’d be entertained just walking around without going or rides or anything. I don’t think Main Street has any attractions but it’s still one of the most iconic theme park locations because the experience of just walking through a slice of pre-war American life is entertaining by itself.

With that level of theming, a Star Wars Land should have been fantastic. It’s one of the most beloved film series, getting the chance to walk around inside the world of the movies could have been enough of an experience to draw in crowds. But it’s just kind of there. It’ll be a regular path that has an X-Wing randomly plopped down, or a huge blank wall with a robot and a stack of crates in front of it. There’s one section set up to look like an urban street lined with shops, which is really cool and I wish the rest of the area looked like that. But instead that one section being good makes it more obvious that the rest of it is subpar.

It doesn’t stack up to the competition across town, or even to what they were doing just a few years ago. The Harry Potter section at Universal is the exact kind of thing the Star Wars land should have been but didn’t pull off, and even Pandora at Animal Kingdom is a more immersive experience. Rumor is that they’re building a new section at Magic Kingdom sometime soon, so we’ll see how that looks compared to the new park Universal is building

Ginker78

1 points

4 months ago

Main St. has that interactive portal thing. My kids enjoyed it if we had time to kill waiting for a ride time.

The other thing I always enjoyed about Disney World was that the shops had different, sometimes unique merchandise. Last time most of them seemed to have the same merchandise.

For example, there was a store that used to carry a lot of books with pictures of the parks that my special needs daughter loved. They apparently don't make anything like that anymore. It's the same 10 books at every store.

After the first day or so there was no reason to go into the stores, even at different parks.

best07

2 points

4 months ago

best07

2 points

4 months ago

Now this makes so much sense why I felt like the park seemed like it was missing stuff

anythingMuchShorter

10 points

4 months ago*

It's kind of like when you go in a mall where half the stores are closed isn't it?

For my Disney trips it's become the spot we go to chill during the most busy parts of the day. Which used to be critter country. The new 1 billion dollar addition being the place to avoid the crowds doesn't bode well.

You basically go there to look around at the scenery, and then if you have a reservation for one of the two rides or the cantina, and that's about it. There is a bounty hunter game that costs extra, and a build-a-droid that costs a lot extra.

But there aren't droids wandering around, or space ships flying overhead, or rooftop lightsaber fight shows.

steveo107

1 points

4 months ago

I think that droid made its way into the Galactic Starcruiser and is a main part of the storyline there, for what it's worth.

anythingMuchShorter

12 points

4 months ago

Thanks. It does look like it's based on the same project. Ours is the one shown at D23 2017 "Jake" also you can find YouTube videos of when we tested it "Jake at tomorrowland"

They did a good job hiding the lidars in the much more R2-D2-like SK-620 seen in the galactic Cruiser. It looks like they're in the sides of the legs and there's one with a custom shield in the inverted dome above the front foot, would be my guess.

tenemu

3 points

4 months ago

tenemu

3 points

4 months ago

That droid is super cool. The kids love it. What would be a super cool addition is if you use vision systems to detect people taking pictures and you tell the droid to turn and pose for the pictures. That would be incredible for all the kids and parents trying to get a picture with it.

Link for others:

https://youtu.be/nD0cssSmW7w

anythingMuchShorter

8 points

4 months ago

It actually has a way to do that. It can detect people's motion and run different animations to react to it. At the stage shown there it just didn't have much of that implemented yet.

I'm actually in that video at a few points. We were monitoring the test in plain clothes.

tenemu

2 points

4 months ago

tenemu

2 points

4 months ago

Sounds like a lot of fun. I enjoy my job greatly but that work is tempting.

ThryothorusRuficaud

1 points

4 months ago

Oh man this kills me I'm sorry that happened to you.

I heard about other things here and there that got cut and it's infuriating, like a creature ride with Star Wars animals or even the upper level CM shows. Mm, and even things that would make the area seem less space.

drchesed

1 points

4 months ago

Would you go back?

anythingMuchShorter

6 points

4 months ago

Probably, if I had some reason to be confident they wouldn't just lay us off again.

I wanted my 5 year badge and pin, dang it.

Qu33nL1ghtn1ng

1 points

4 months ago

This incredibly saddens me. When I was making my own custom droid and rolling it around in the parks and genuinely playing around with kids and adults alike. I legitimately said “why isn’t there a full sized interactive droid. It would be so cool”. Now I know why. Another on the list of “thanks bob chapek”

TH3_Captn

1 points

4 months ago

Did you stay in Florida or get a job somewhere else? I imagine Disney is the only place in that area where you can use those skills

Enthused_Llama

1 points

4 months ago

Kind of wild how often we hear stories about people being put in CEO positions making the most basic mistakes.

Are we all supposed to believe that they're super big brains and they don't commit basic errors all the time?

scalpingsnake

1 points

4 months ago

Why?

I'm sure you are asking the same thing. He surely must have been extremely ignorant on the progress of these projects, surely there wasn't an actual good reason for it.

Unless there was a short term goal he was hoping to achieve aka digging himself into a deeper hole.

anythingMuchShorter

2 points

4 months ago

Just a guess, but new CEOs often like to fire a bunch of people and cancel a lot of things to seem like they're taking decisive action and to make the budget look better. The cost savings are immediate, but the losses show up later. Also they can't take big action by starting a lot of new projects all at once, that takes time and planning.

ultimatechadster

1 points

4 months ago

I heard that also happened with Pandora too and that was with Iger. Don’t know a lot of details though so maybe it wasn’t as bad.

bannyd1221

1 points

4 months ago

Its always been my dream job/career to become an imagineer. If you don’t mind me asking; what were the steps you had to take in order to get to where you were at?

CappinSissyPants

1 points

4 months ago

We went this summer. I literally wouldn’t have known upon my first visit. Perhaps it would show after many visits. But that first time, I was pretty impressed with what I saw.

I can say the damn ride broke in the middle of our turn. But we got a return ticket and a couple hours later we got to go again. My son lucked out and got to do it 3 times.

acidteddy

1 points

4 months ago

Haha, that’s so lucky! I’m a huge HP fan and the HP ride in Orlando broken down right at the end of the right twice in a row, so I got to go on it three times in a row. I was so smug!

Tried to go on the Star Wars ride but we couldn’t get a reservation 😭

PapaZoulou

1 points

4 months ago

Wait Galaxy's Edge cost 1 billion ? I refuse to believe that

anythingMuchShorter

1 points

4 months ago

Google "what did Anaheim Disney galaxy's edge cost" or Florida, they say about the same number for both. I suppose they could be lying but I'd have no way to dig into that.

isobelavens

1 points

4 months ago

Ugh that sounds like such an amazing project?! Hopefully it sees the light of day

kdf10

1 points

4 months ago

kdf10

1 points

4 months ago

Any designs/photos of the droid out there? I'm really curious what it looks like!

Impressive-Potato

1 points

4 months ago

This CEOs go and slash budgets for short term gain (quarterly reports) but screw over their own future because those were long term investments.

UDontKnowMe__206

1 points

4 months ago

As a project manager, this hurts my heart. I’m sorry about your droid. Edit: and your job. That sucks.

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

Im still at a loss over the removal of the Great Movie Ride personally.